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Old 4th March 10   #41
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When's the last time you had a President do something that didn't further the USA's interest at the time, at least in his mind? The point is the ends don't justify the means.

What I meant is that it is easy to acuse people of lack of foresight whith the perspective that 20 years or more into the future give.

I'm no expert at American history, but I have the impression that Reagan was one of the presidents more keen on expanding USA influence, be it directly or surreptitiously. He had the power and the will to use it, with no shame or qualms about it.

I don't think he could see how his actions would backfire decades on. If he would have acted the same in that case, it's up to debate.

Not condoning his actions, though, but I beleive he had strong motivations for them, and at least he seemd like he knew what he was doing.

The same cannot be said about Bush Jr.
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What I meant is that it is easy to acuse people of lack of foresight whith the perspective that 20 years or more into the future give.

I'm no expert at American history, but I have the impression that Reagan was one of the presidents more keen on expanding USA influence, be it directly or surreptitiously. He had the power and the will to use it, with no shame or qualms about it.

I don't think he could see how his actions would backfire decades on. If he would have acted the same in that case, it's up to debate.

Not condoning his actions, though, but I beleive he had strong motivations for them, and at least he seemd like he knew what he was doing.

The same cannot be said about Bush Jr.
He had strong motivations, the problem with and a result of these strong motivations was that Nixon believed the ends justifies the means. He proved this by instigating horrible and bloody civil wars in South America to stop what he thought was dangerous communist encroachment.

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He had strong motivations, the problem with and a result of these strong motivations was that Nixon believed the ends justifies the means. He proved this by instigating horrible and bloody civil wars in South America to stop what he thought was dangerous communist encroachment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychol...rrilla_Warfare

As I said, i'm not condoning his actions. Nixon took it too far, and Reagan knew who he could fuck and who he couldn't.

I'll explain. I beleive that the general population of the USA has... matured? not, not exactly the word, has grow more conscious about the rest of the world in the recent decades, as compared to the eighties.

Honeslty, who gave a fuck about the lives of a bunch of illiterate south american peasants as compared to fighting communism back then? Not Reagan and not the majority of the american population.

Nixon broke the american law and thus, pissed on its citizens, Reagan pissed all over the southern continent while keeping america clean.

I beleive Reagan represents the peak in american prowress, when being shamelessly greedy was not only not looked down on, but encouraged. Reagan armwrestled USA's archnemesis and won.

In a sense, I beleive Reagan represents the strong face of America in a time when it was clear who were the good guys and who were the bad guys.

Generally speaking people dislike shades of grey and prefer things that are presented to them in black and white. And that's what Reagan era was: a black and white landscape with no shades of grey.

I'm not surprised about the Reagan love in this era when black and white are not as clear and even the very basics of capitalism are being questioned.

People tend to retarct to childish mindsets (black and white) in times of economical and moral crisis (they often go hand by hand) such as this one.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it is my impression that Reagan faced little oposition within the USA about his actions on South America.
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Reagan's economy policy saw a huge peak in unemployment in 1982 which then reduced throughout the rest of his presidency. Relative to the Carter government, Reagan's presidency saw lower average unemployment rates, lower inflation, higher GDP growth (although neither of these last two are very trustworthy statistics) and lower tax rates.

Basically, like Thatcher, he tried to put the country through a period of intense temporary pain to sweep away the damage caused by the prior left-wing administration.

This usually, by necessity, begins with the liquidation of big-union and public sector 'makework' or unsustainable working terms and conditions.

This is _always_ a painful process and it usually falls hardest on those who don't have much to cushion them. It's going to have to be done brutally in the UK soon and I don't relish the thought.

Responsible and thoughtful right wingers ought to devote more energy to cushioning these shocks for the poorest.

However, he failed to control spending and saw the deficit balloon (much of it due to the vast military spending he was using to try and break the USSR's back economically), and appointing Greenspan to the Fed was a huge mistake (Volker did a good job before him).

He was certainly better than Carter, and he still had the cold war to deal with. However, his version of economic laissez-faire was pretty corporatist and militaristic and ultimately got the country into a lot of debt.

I've seen a lot worse, but he was a flawed military industrial complex spokesperson. He got the US out of Carter's mess and saw off the USSR, but did it at great long-term expense with some horrible shocks for the poorest along the way. I'm not sure if his record could've been improved upon though.
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