[Craigypooh]

I think the original post was about Canadian imperialism.

[HappyOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Craigypooh

Just trying to help out with the not singling anybody out thing. The US is generally considered to be top of the imperialist aggressor league right now.

Also, given Tibet has been under Chinese control since 1950, is that not beyond statue of limitations too?

So the fact that China occupies their conquests permanently and colonizes them makes them less imperialist on PoohPlanet?

Listen, don't speak.

[Ajamil]

Originally Posted by Craigypooh

I think the original post was about Canadian imperialism.

Russian Imperialism. Canadian sovereignty.

Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy

So the fact that China occupies their conquests permanently and colonizes them makes them less imperialist on PoohPlanet?

They prefer the term nation-building.

[OZZ]

Interesting to see where this thread has gone..I was actually wondering if anyone had any opinons on the Northwest Passage issue.
Since the possibility of the ice melting and the waterway actually becoming a shipping lane in the future is very real, Canada has been trying to assert itself in the region and increased its military presence over the past few years.
the Inuit clans scattered about the many islands in the far north are now some of the most significant peoples in the Canadian population from the government's perspective. The very fact that they live up there and consider themselves Canadian is exactly what the government needs to help boost their sovereignty claims in the region.
Anyways, the Northwest Passage itself is under dispute.The USA, Russia and several other countries want it to be declared an International waterway..while Canada wants it to be ours so we can keep on top of the environmental issues up there and (probably) profit from having some measure of control on the region..
The difficulty is with the resources and manpower it is going to take to actually police the region. Its a cost the gov't is loathe to have to ante up..but they don't have much of a choice if they want to assert themselves and get the respect of the international community.

[Craigypooh]

Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy

So the fact that China occupies their conquests permanently and colonizes them makes them less imperialist on PoohPlanet?

Listen, don't speak.

*sigh*

You said:

Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy

Any claim the Chinese had to southeast asia or tibet was ludicrously past the statute of limitations.

However Chinese rule over Tibet ended in 1912 and began again in 1950. Therefore your definition of ludicrously past the statute of limitations is 38 years. Hence the Dalai Lama's claim must also now be ludicrously past the statute of limitations and hence Tibet belongs to china.

Hence I said:

Originally Posted by Me

Also, given Tibet has been under Chinese control since 1950, is that not beyond statue of limitations too?

I made no suggestion that this made them less imperialist. Just noting your statute of limitations point is a little silly.

[bob]

Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy

The yanks had no historical claim on the southwest territories. That was a raw landgrab. There was never any attempt to justify it on historical grounds.

Any claim the Chinese had to southeast asia or tibet was ludicrously past the statute of limitations.

Not trying to single anybody out, but I think some significant historical events have flown under western radars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-So...order_conflict

Yes, I was the one that brought up Vietnam first, though as Cracky suggested it was never their intention to occupy and colonise it (except in the usual way the Chinese colonise places - by putting a dry cleaning business in every postcode).

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. Of course the Chinese act like turds to their neighbours. You don't have to have your 401k tied up with Richard Gere's gerbil supply company to work that out. The point is what their motivations are.

[BM.COM]

Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAMA

Fine, it's like America's Manifest Destiny. Believing that shit belongs to you doesn't change the fact that it used to belong to a bunch of other people.

And those people took it from someone else, who took it from someone else.