[TheMightyMcClaw]

Originally Posted by AAAhmed46

Now, you said there is a difference between a test and losing your whole family. But tell me what is the difference other then sheer volume of stress?

Because when I have a final coming up, I can study and get a good nights sleep and prepare for that final. I can do something about. Unless it's exceptionally atrocious, It's ultimately up to me and my efforts whether the result of that final is a positive impact (ie, I pass it) or negative (I fail it).
When a tsunami/hurricane/janjaweed kills my family, there is no amount of studying and preparation that will bring them back from life. When God is hurling disasters at you, the negative impact is pretty much inescapable. That seems to be moral of stories like the Oedipus Cycle and the Book of Job; no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how good of a life you lead, Apollo/God will still fuck up your life for no reason.

[Lebell]

Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw

Because when I have a final coming up, I can study and get a good nights sleep and prepare for that final. I can do something about. Unless it's exceptionally atrocious, It's ultimately up to me and my efforts whether the result of that final is a positive impact (ie, I pass it) or negative (I fail it).
When a tsunami/hurricane/janjaweed kills my family, there is no amount of studying and preparation that will bring them back from life. When God is hurling disasters at you, the negative impact is pretty much inescapable. That seems to be moral of stories like the Oedipus Cycle and the Book of Job; no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how good of a life you lead, Apollo/God will still fuck up your life for no reason.

Then you don't get it.
The moral of that story could be how life is about letting go.
Letting go of a false sense of control.
That doesnt mean just sitting on your ass and hoping that Allah will reform healthcare or fix the potholes in your roads, you still gotta do your stuff.
Jesus or Buddha wont do your homework for you, well maybe Jesus would if you asked him real nicely, he's pretty soft.
Thing is, by doing your bit and obey the laws of God you'll get where you need to be.

Thats the main principle.
You can not bargain with the Allmighty: i'l do this and that and you'll let my wife survive the cancer.
oh she died:' SCREW YOU THERE IS NO GOD!'

being a 'perfect believer' does not insure you against horrible things hapening in life.

[AAAhmed46]

Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw

Because when I have a final coming up, I can study and get a good nights sleep and prepare for that final. I can do something about. Unless it's exceptionally atrocious, It's ultimately up to me and my efforts whether the result of that final is a positive impact (ie, I pass it) or negative (I fail it).
When a tsunami/hurricane/janjaweed kills my family, there is no amount of studying and preparation that will bring them back from life. When God is hurling disasters at you, the negative impact is pretty much inescapable. That seems to be moral of stories like the Oedipus Cycle and the Book of Job; no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how good of a life you lead, Apollo/God will still fuck up your life for no reason.

Natural disasters are more or less natural phenomenon. I believe science and nature to be a study of how god works. Including evolution.

If we could do something about every stress in life like studying for a test, you can prepare your hope to disasters, like a test.

It seems this discussion is always comes back to dying and pain.

What kind of world woudl it be if we lived forever, how far would learning and evolution of the self go with immortality? Suddenly, secular morality would not matter near as much, other then rape maybe. You cant really hurt anyone, you cant kill them. THe only way you could hurt someone is to make them pleasure you when they dont want to.
But then, that would be real evil too wouldnt it? And then, someone would then say "DAMN YOU GODD!!! HOW CAN YOU LET ME BE RAPED"

Okay, so then god makes it no one can get raped. You live forever now, do not feel pain, and cannot have anything done against you will.

But to be unable to feel pain or have anything done against yoru will. Because suddenly, MMA becomes USELESS and you cannot have fun doing it, because the basis of the art is to do something to someone else against their will(unless they want to have an arm hyper extended or get punched in the face, they have to let them) any competition.

There is no way to fail, because failure is against your will(unless you want to ) but then...where is the challenge? The fun? The zest in life? That is gone, there is no real choice, everything is stuck in one way and you cannot do nothin to stop it.

Then the complaint will be "MY FREEDOM OF CHOICE HAS BEEN LIMITED!!!!"
Now your then left with "but hey you have choice, just not this one!"

"ITS NOT ENOUGH!!!! IF THERE WAS A GOD OR HE WAS JUST!!!I WOULD HAVE MORE CHOICE!!!"

Then imagine a world with more choice again...

What happens? It goes in a circle, again and again and again.


Maybe there is no god. Really, hey, i can be open to it.

But human suffering as a claim to be proof against god? How? We cant even imagine a life without suffering that is not horribly horribly horribly bland. Everytime we do, the thought is often of people being idle all the time.

You can argue that a perfect world woudl be where you dont have to, where you are constantly walking around with a feeling of euphoria. But then.... i guess the perfect world is an unending supply of weed.