[EuropIan]

Originally Posted by Cullion

Yes, we do.

America will help, or America won't help. We'll still get what we want, it's a question of how you want your potential allies to see you. And when I see 'your', I don't actually mean 'you', I mean real Americans, who work for a living.

I'm just pointing out that Obama's a faggot. I know people like you and HoG are kind of enamored with the whole 'OMG he's Black!' thing still, but you actually need to shut the fuck up. He's a disappointment and a loser.

Jimmi Hendrix and Mr T. were black, and they were fucking cool. You need to re-live the 80s the right way and not be so pathetically submissive to niggercommies, homo.

And you can tell him I said that.

p.s. Aerosmith:-

P.S. Rolling Stones


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[bob]

Originally Posted by Cullion

...an island outside their territorial waters, which was uninhabited until settled by Brits in the early 19th century is somehow 'theirs'.

whoa, back up. That's not actually true you know.

[HappyOldGuy]

Originally Posted by bornsceptic

whoa, back up. That's not actually true you know.

Hush, don't you know this is really about Cullions unrequited love for Maggie Thatcher.

And Barack Obama.

[Ajamil]

What's not true? The islands were inhabited? That would change a lot, but not much. I really need someone to convince me why we should care about Argentina not recognizing the UK's claim on these islands. Unless Cullion is giving misinformation, the islands are out of their coastal zone and have no Argentinians living there and never had any.

What they think about the Falklands belonging to Britain matters as much as their opinion on who should own the Bahamas.

[bob]

There was an Argentine settlement there immediately before the Brits. Supposedly it was trashed by an American warship after a dispute over whaling rights.

Cullion, this is like that scene in Dark Knight where the Joker throws a pool cue on the floor and tells the guys to fight for a place in his gang. Think of this as one of America's little tests for you. Except this time they're going to sell pool cues to both sides and still pretend to seek a peaceful solution. Asking them for help means you've failed the initiation.

[HappyOldGuy]

There were a number of failed or temporary colonies there before the brits finally set up to stay. including France, Argentina, and Spain.

Another thing that Cullion isn't going to tell you is that before the Falklands war, the falkland islanders were not really citizens.

But neither thing is really here nor there, we're way past the statute of limitations on anyone elses claim, and the islanders are full fledged subjects of her majesty these days and seem to like it.

And as long as they want to stay that way, the US will make sure that they can. We just won't necessarily do it the way that a Tory MP looking to trash the current gov in an editorial suggests we should.

[Cullion]

Originally Posted by bornsceptic

There was an Argentine settlement there immediately before the Brits. Supposedly it was trashed by an American warship after a dispute over whaling rights.

It was a penal colony that lasted 2 years and the soldiers stationed there mutinied. Many of them were British mercenaries, ironically.

Our plaque claiming sovereignity was up first.

[Cullion]

Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy

There were a number of failed or temporary colonies there before the brits finally set up to stay. including France, Argentina, and Spain.

And the British were there first. Permanent settlements, children being raised, farming, all British.

Another thing that Cullion isn't going to tell you is that before the Falklands war, the falkland islanders were not really citizens.

You really don't understand British law, so don't try and play this game.

They were a crown dependency, not a part of the UK, in much the same manner as Hong Kong was, except the land wasn't being leased from another country and the inhabitants were not conquered 'natives'. Their current legal status is based on their right to self-determination, and they've unanimously chosen to remain under the British Crown. UK passports aren't relevant to whether or not Argentina has a right to their territorial waters. You're simply confused about the distinction between 'British' and 'UK'.

And as long as they want to stay that way, the US will make sure that they can. We just won't necessarily do it the way that a Tory MP looking to trash the current gov in an editorial suggests we should.

Don't pretend you understand some great machivellian plan on Obama's part. You don't. He's simply failing to defuse the situation decisively and insulting an ally in the process again.

[HappyOldGuy]

Actually the french were there first.

But they surrendered.

And the machiavellian plan is the tories for the election. To rub salt in the wound about Iraq and Afghanistan by suggesting that they haven't entitled you to help from the US which your government has never actually asked for and doesn't need. This is a made up controversy. It's your version of our death panels debate.

And you are sucking their dick like a no tooth alchoholic on 2$ shot night.

[Cullion]

Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy

Actually the french were there first.

John Davis, 1592.

And the machiavellian plan is the tories for the election. To rub salt in the wound about Iraq and Afghanistan by suggesting that they haven't entitled you to help from the US which your government has never actually asked for and doesn't need.

The tories are not attempting to get any kind of electoral boost by playing the 'we didn't want to go into Iraq' card. They were in favour of the invasion almost unanimously, there was more dissent on the Labour back benches.

This is a made up controversy. It's your version of our death panels debate.

Death panels actually exist in the UK you know.

And you are sucking their dick like a no tooth alchoholic on 2$ shot night.

Damn your eyes. I'm going to make you pay one day. Yes I will.