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    " It's quite obvious that there are people in the FBI and other US govt. agencies that are partisan against Trump. We're experiencing exactly the same kind of phoney-neutrality from sectors of the public service over brexit in the UK."

    there is a term for that, rampant corruption. if this is truly the case it's a very serious accusation that demands heavy handed and far reaching reforms.
    And what do you think all the anti-trump partisans in public agencies and the media would do if Trump started to carry out those kind of 'heavy handed reforms'. You're being very, very naive here.

    What it doesn't demand is cheekily going around said agencies.
    That's exactly what it would require.

    since that is the course of action chosen, I'm inclined to believe the agencies in question are not the wrong party.
    You've just watched the same agencies waste years trying to find *something* they could pin on Trump. To still believe in their impartiality is quite a stretch.

    Look, Trump is an unreconstructed 70s style male chauvinist and islamophobe. But he is not a Nazi. The real problem for his enemies is that he is not a globalist. He doesn't support seamless movement of capital and workers in a way that undermines national democracies. This is an obvious threat to many extremely powerful vested interests. Big swathes of the population have been conditioned by rotten universities and mediacorps to denounce anybody working against these interests as a Nazi/Racist etc.. You are one of these conditioned people. Open your eyes. You're on the same side as Goldman Sachs and the festering conformist miasma of besuited Yale graduates that run public services in the US here. I've watched you repeatedly believe very crude untruths you accepted uncritically based on vague impressions you picked up from 'respectable' media. You're living in a filtered reality.
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    It's the opinion of the DoJ that a president cannot be charged with a crime. So while we have people in prison or facing charges for following Trumps orders, he's immune while in office. only tool to deal with him is impeachment, but as a political process the facts of the case only have meaning in the context of public opinion.

    Clinton was guilty of perjury, but the GOP couldn't make that be an important fact. It's a little sad people don't consider buying a night with a porn star with campaign funds impeachable, but it's not in question that that happened. Pining something on Trump legally isn't the trick, it's finding something bad enough that he becomes toxic to his own party.
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    I think Trump is an narcissistic opportunist game player with a pretty weak grasp on Global dynamics personally.

    Its funny how over the years how the 'Left' which once demostrated against rampant Globalism now finds itself defending it.

    Overall though I think freedom of movement is better for Humanity. I find the idea of governments coralling in their populaces & adhering to a strictly protectionist economy to be flawed & unsustainable but here we are.
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    Trump can't actually win an election.. can he ?
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    People weren't that tightly coralled before. The difference is that you're now being asked to subsidise the mass movement of labour and cede your right to tax overseas capital flows.
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    I trust God more than I trust you. And that will never change. I've always viewed you as kind of a snake. No biblical connotations need apply, just the regular ones. You're wise. You're really intelligent. But you're also conniving and have this way of getting what you want when you want it. The sickness I was talking about was your propensity to kind of reach in and grasp on to something to define someone here. You harangue them about it and manipulate it in to conversations. You do that with every single poster here. You do this until they see things your way. The "correct way". It's vile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion View Post
    People weren't that tightly coralled before.
    That depends on when you think 'before' was I guess. One of the over arching themes I've seen emerge when talking with populist-right-paleoconservatives types is that some kind of serfdom would sort out Humanity.
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    Who?

    The UK and US have always had immigration. Passports didn't even exit until the 19th century.

    What's changed is that you're now expected to subsidise the mass importation of new labour to compete at the bottom end of the market whilst accepting paid media stooges and corrupt left-wing academics yelling 'racist' at you if you object.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resolve
    I trust God more than I trust you. And that will never change. I've always viewed you as kind of a snake. No biblical connotations need apply, just the regular ones. You're wise. You're really intelligent. But you're also conniving and have this way of getting what you want when you want it. The sickness I was talking about was your propensity to kind of reach in and grasp on to something to define someone here. You harangue them about it and manipulate it in to conversations. You do that with every single poster here. You do this until they see things your way. The "correct way". It's vile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion View Post
    Who?
    A group Trad Catholics I have a cordial but antagonistc relationship with.

    The UK and US have always had immigration. Passports didn't even exit until the 19th century.
    Sorry but that's just not true Britain has had passports of one kind or another for over 500 years. They didnt have their current legal goepolitical standing until WWI & The League of Nations agreement later in 1920.

    Prior to this foreign travellers usually had to have travel papers which had a list of places they were allowed to travel to if they were travelling on from a sea port.

    What's changed is that you're now expected to subsidise the mass importation of new labour to compete at the bottom end of the market whilst accepting paid media stooges and corrupt left-wing academics yelling 'racist' at you if you object.
    How is this "mass importation of new labour" subsidized?
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    British letters of safe passage weren't about border control, they were documents signed by the king granting safe passage through his Kingdom, the breach of which was treated as High Treason. They were also issued to people born in England.

    You subsidise the import of labour in lots of ways. Housing costs go up, public services are more stretched and there is targetted public assistance only available to new arrivals. Being concerned about this is not racism. The people arriving are normal decent people like you or I, trying to make a better life for themselves but make no mistake that this movement is being encouraged for no reason other than to suppress wages at the bottom of the pyramid. You complain about social conservatives wanting to make you into a serf.. but it's actually the neoliberals who are doing it right now. The tug of war between capital and labour hasn't been this one-sided since the middle ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resolve
    I trust God more than I trust you. And that will never change. I've always viewed you as kind of a snake. No biblical connotations need apply, just the regular ones. You're wise. You're really intelligent. But you're also conniving and have this way of getting what you want when you want it. The sickness I was talking about was your propensity to kind of reach in and grasp on to something to define someone here. You harangue them about it and manipulate it in to conversations. You do that with every single poster here. You do this until they see things your way. The "correct way". It's vile.

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    still it's fighting for a hay penny's while the people making pounds don't notice; not exactly an enviable model for reform.


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    The people making the pounds are making them by forcing permanent social disruption and ever poorer public services on the poorest and then shouting 'racist' at them when they object. At fundraisers, affluent new-left politicians and Goldman bankers laugh so hard the champagne squirts out of their nostrils about this.
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    i got nothing, you win again.
    Quote Originally Posted by resolve
    I trust God more than I trust you. And that will never change. I've always viewed you as kind of a snake. No biblical connotations need apply, just the regular ones. You're wise. You're really intelligent. But you're also conniving and have this way of getting what you want when you want it. The sickness I was talking about was your propensity to kind of reach in and grasp on to something to define someone here. You harangue them about it and manipulate it in to conversations. You do that with every single poster here. You do this until they see things your way. The "correct way". It's vile.

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