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    Abortion, duh. Well, at least this is the apparent view on the topics in the Catholic church...

    Nun Excommunicated For Allowing Abortion

    Last November, a 27-year-old woman was admitted to St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix. She was 11 weeks pregnant with her fifth child, and she was gravely ill. According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure," and her doctors told her that if she continued with the pregnancy, her risk of mortality was "close to 100 percent."

    The patient, who was too ill to be moved to the operating room much less another hospital, agreed to an abortion. But there was a complication: She was at a Catholic hospital.

    "They were in quite a dilemma," says Lisa Sowle Cahill, who teaches Catholic theology at Boston College. "There was no good way out of it. The official church position would mandate that the correct solution would be to let both the mother and the child die. I think in the practical situation that would be a very hard choice to make."

    But the hospital felt it could proceed because of an exception called Directive 47 in the U.S. Catholic Church's ethical guidelines for health care providers that allows, in some circumstance, procedures that could kill the fetus to save the mother. Sister Margaret McBride, who was an administrator at the hospital as well as its liaison to the diocese, gave her approval.

    The woman survived. When Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted heard about the abortion, he declared that McBride was automatically excommunicated the most serious penalty the church can levy.

    "She consented in the murder of an unborn child," says the Rev. John Ehrich, the medical ethics director for the Diocese of Phoenix. "There are some situations where the mother may in fact die along with her child. But and this is the Catholic perspective you can't do evil to bring about good. The end does not justify the means."

    Ehrich adds that under canon or church law, the nun should be expelled from her order, the Sisters of Mercy, unless the order can find an alternative penalty. Ehrich concedes that the circumstances of this case were "hard."

    "But there are certain things that we don't really have a choice" about, he says. "You know, if it's been done and there's public scandal, the bishop has to take care of that, because he has to say, 'Look, this can't happen.' "

    A Double Standard?

    But according to the Rev. Thomas Doyle, a canon lawyer, the bishop "clearly had other alternatives than to declare her excommunicated." Doyle says Olmsted could have looked at the situation, realized that the nun faced an agonizing choice and shown her some mercy. He adds that this case highlights a "gross inequity" in how the church chooses to handle scandal.

    "In the case of priests who are credibly accused and known to be guilty of sexually abusing children, they are in a sense let off the hook," Doyle says.

    Doyle says no pedophile priests have been excommunicated. When priests have been caught, he says, their bishops have protected them, and it has taken years or decades to defrock them, if ever.

    "Yet in this instance we have a sister who was trying to save the life of a woman, and what happens to her? The bishop swoops down [and] declares her excommunicated before he even looks at all the facts of the case," Doyle says.


    Ehrich agrees that sexual abuse can't be tolerated. But he says neither can McBride's actions.

    "She said, 'Yes, you can kill that unborn child.' That's a heinous act. And I'm not going to make a distinction between what's worse. They're both abhorrent," Ehrich says.

    Ehrich says the nun can be admitted back into the Catholic community by going to confession and repenting. McBride still works at the hospital in another position. Whether she is allowed to remain in her religious order, Erich says that is up to the Sisters of Mercy.

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    Alright, the title of the thread is a bit of a loaded question. Never the less, this is nothing but a bunch of fucking bullshit.
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    Catholics. That should explain it all.
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    I fucking hate the catholic church

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    I love the Catholic church. Makes dudes like me look sane and balanced.
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    "But there are certain things that we don't really have a choice" about, he says. "You know, if it's been done and there's public scandal, the bishop has to take care of that, because he has to say, 'Look, this can't happen.' "
    So the criteria is that everyone found out about it?

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    Letting them both die when there is a chance to save one is a double homicide.

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    Is it specifically unborn children that can't die to save others? Should soldiers or reverends who preside over soldiers be excommunicated? It's not like the sister was offering abortion as a choice before the mother was in grave peril.

    The point about the pedophiles is seriously disheartening. I could see a case for such a heinous crime not being reason for excommunication in the general assembly, but priests are religious leaders and should be exemplars. It's using their power and influence, using the church, using God for their own selfish and hurtful whims. I consider that the purest definition of sin.

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    Was anyone actually expecting reason from a bunch of people who believe that they were created by an invisible man who lives in the sky?

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    I love the Catholic church. Makes dudes like me look sane and balanced.
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    "She consented in the murder of an unborn child,"
    And in the saving of a woman.

    you can't do evil to bring about good. The end does not justify the means.
    Sometimes it does. Come on, in the real life, if you were told you could save one life of two, not both and you could not choose, you would save the life. Unless you're a sociopath.
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