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    THUD: HBO HAS A FANTASY OF ICE AND FIRE
    01.17.07
    By Devin Faraci
    Contributing sources: Variety

    If you could get whiplash by being surprised about an article in the trades, I’d be wearing a neck brace right now. That’s how shocked I was to learn that HBO has acquired George RR Martin’s fantasy novel series, A Song of Ice and Fire, for a TV series – one that will be executive produced and written by David Benioff, one of my favorite modern writers.

    If you only know Benioff from Troy, you’re missing out – his novel 25th Hour, which he adapted for Spike Lee, is brilliant, and his short story collection, When the Nines Roll Over, is terrific as well. But he’s been mostly focusing on Hollywood work, including an adaptation of Hemingway’s For Whom the Bell Tolls. A Song of Fire and Ice would be a major move for Benioff, who would be executive producing and writing every episode of every season (along with DB Weiss, whose only credit is the Halo script, but who wrote a novel called Lucky Wander Boy), except for one that will be scripted by George RR Martin himself.

    Each book in the seven volume series (there are only five available now) will be one season of the show, starting with 1996's A Game of Thrones. "They tried for 50 years to make 'Lord of the Rings' as one movie before Peter Jackson found success making three," Martin said. "My books are bigger and more complicated, and would require 18 movies. Otherwise, you'd have to choose one or two characters."

    I haven’t read the books (I guess now I’ll have to. Dammit. I hate reading this fantasy stuff, but it'll kill time on my flight to London), but Variety says that the Fire and Ice novels “eschewed Tolkien's good-vs.-evil theme in favor of flawed characters from seven noble families.The book has a decidedly adult bent, with sex and violence comparable to series like ‘Rome’ and ‘Deadwood.’” That’s good news at least.

    This comes on the heels of HBO announcing they would do a series based on Preacher, a beloved Vertigo comic book that is profane, violent and usually blasphemous. Besides inherent geek appeal, both of these series have a level of ambition to them – Preacher is being sold as five seasons long while A Song of Ice and Fire would last seven. It’s interesting to see that level of ambition when HBO is all too happy to cancel shows like Rome and Deadwood very early on, even when they’re popular. Of course Preacher and A Song of Fire and Ice would have an almost guaranteed afterlife on DVD, and unlike Deadwood, the network would own these properties, meaning they make all the DVD money.

    Here’s the sticking point: Rome was cancelled before the second season even started because of the series’ massive cost – the first season weighed in at 100 million dollars. I don’t know how an epic set in a fantasy world with dragons and ice monsters could be much cheaper, but the scope of the series was not a secret from HBO. There’s no word on when the show might begin production, let alone start airing. The book series is projected to end in 2011.

    I do hope at some point Benioff is taking time to work on another novel. I really have enjoyed his print work, and while I wish him the best success in Hollywood, it would be great to know that he was also sticking with literature.


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    I'm reading the series right now. Would be awesome to see it on TV, but I've been saying the same thing about Stephen King's Dark Tower series for ages.

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    Coolness, the ice and fire books are great although I'll be interested to see how they handle all the incest :D

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    Incest, they could probably pull off. Child murdering, they could probably pull off. However, child murder and incest at the same time, could be tricky.

    Also, when (if?) they cast Brienne, I hope they get someone who is genuinely ugly and not just "TV ugly."

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    *Begins to masturbate uncontrollablely.*

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    George R.R. Martin hopefully has kept a large amount of creative control.

    Damnit I may need to actually get HBO now.

    And as far as what they could get away with... rape after rape after rape...including child rape? I mean Gregor Clegane isn't exactly TV friendly.

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    I'm about halfway through the first book at Jagged's recommendation- he's been pestering me to read it for years- and about a hundered pages ago I went and bought the next book so I have a steady stream of good reading.

    I have to say I like this guy's style a lot more than Tolkien's.... I mean these are actually characters, that and they aren't written with the stiff sensibility of an early twentieth century Englishman.

    Between this and Preacher I may have to actually pay for HBO.... cause otherwise that's a lot of downloading.

    CASTING!

    Jaime Lannister = James Marsters
    Tyrrion Lannister = uh.... a dwarf?
    Eddard Stark =
    Catelyn Stark = Julianne Moore
    Robert t3h King = Sean Bean

    Ya know what, I can't fucking do this- this is only the first book I'm on, many of these folks will die, and many of the main characters will grow up and need to be recast- I have no idea yet who would be best for what-

    Oooo, hey, the guy what plays Titus Pullo on Rome should be the Hound!

    Right, anyways...

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    Martin has an excellent style. His characterizations are simply beautiful.

    Just wait until you get further into the books, and he starts making you feel sympathetic towards Jamie and absolutely loving Tyrion.

    Oh, and the Red Wedding...you should basically try and keep a count of the number of times you hurl the book across the room cursing Martin's name.

    There are far too many characters to do cast picks...but I think Brian Blessed, Patrick Stewart, James McAvoy, Alec Newman, and essentially anyone who has been in Excalibur, a Kenneth Branagh piece, or the Dune/Children of Dune miniseries could work.

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    I think Brian Blessed would make a better Robert. He has the large English Henry VIII vibe.

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    Well, I'm sure there's a part for Sean Bean in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Die, Tenshi!
    Well, I'm sure there's a part for Sean Bean in there somewhere.
    Many times many. He could make a good Red Viper, any of the Northmen (though distinctly the Greatjon's son, one of the Kingsguard.

    He could even pull off a good Jamie Lannister.

    I think Patrick Stewart could make a great Stannis. It is harder to find someone for the Spider and Littlefinger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liffguard
    Incest, they could probably pull off. Child murdering, they could probably pull off. However, child murder and incest at the same time, could be tricky.
    Quote Originally Posted by AAAhmed46
    *Begins to masturbate uncontrollablely.*
    I'm a bit worried about you, Ahmed.

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