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    Conservative University Founded by Jerry Falwell Bans College Democrats Club

    RICHMOND, Va. -- Liberty University has ordered its fledgling College Democrats club to shut down, saying the group stands against the conservative Christian school's moral principles.

    Club president Brian Diaz said he was shocked to be notified by e-mail last week that the club was being banned by the private university in Lynchburg founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell. The university first recognized it in the fall.

    "We were shocked, as well, that (the club) even got accepted. It was huge, and we were glad that Liberty did that," Diaz said in a telephone interview from Orlando, Fla.

    The club is barred from using Liberty's name, advertising events and holding meetings on campus. Violators could be reprimanded and face expulsion for repeated offenses.

    Vice president of student affairs Mark Hine said in the e-mail sent to Diaz on May 15 that the Democratic party violates the school's principles by supporting abortion, socialism and the "'LGBT' agenda," referring to lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender people. The e-mail said that even though the campus group "may not support the more radical planks of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party is still the parent organization of the club on campus."

    Mathew Staver, the dean of Liberty's law school who also is overseeing a review of university policies, said the decision stemmed from a new policy governing student groups. No other groups have been affected, including the campus Republican organization, he said.

    Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. said the club's previous recognition by the school was "an oversight by an administrator" who didn't thoroughly consult school policy.

    He said he likes the group's members and knows they mean well, but that the university has received "lots of complaints from parents and donors" about the club's existence.

    "They're great Christian kids. I hope they'll find a Democratic organization that is pro-life and pro-family so they can become endorsed," he said in a telephone interview.

    The 30 members of the Democratic club, which was started in October, canvassed neighborhoods to promote Barack Obama's presidential run and called voters from phone banks. Diaz said it's natural to wonder if the group was somehow being penalized for those activities.

    Staver denied that Liberty was targeting the Democrats. The university won't prevent the group's members from interacting on campus, he said, but they can't hold meetings as the Liberty University College Democrats.

    In a conference call with reporters, club adviser and 2004 Liberty graduate Maria Childress said she was unsuccessful so far in arranging a meeting to plead her case with the chancellor.

    She said the Republican Party and its platform is "preached on every avenue" to a captive campus audience. During last fall's presidential campaign, she said, GOP viewpoints were expressed in the absence of any Democratic perspective.

    In a statement released by the Democratic National Committee, DNC chairman and Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine said, "I urge the leadership of Liberty University to reverse this attack on the liberty of its students and allow the College Democrats to have the same rights on campus as their counterparts, the College Republicans."

    John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, which advocates for Christian rights, including free speech, says private colleges have a right to limit such groups, but curbing the marketplace of ideas isn't necessarily healthy.

    At another religious campus, officials on Tuesday dissolved the student-run College Republicans and College Democrats. A spokesman at Brigham Young University-Idaho, run by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said the move was aimed at making sure the university's political-neutrality policy was being followed.

    Source : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...est=latestnews


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    It's a moot point I suppose. Why would a liberal want to go to a college founded to promulgate the ideals of somebody like Jerry Falwell? for lulz ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaranar

    "They're great Christian kids. I hope they'll find a Democratic organization that is pro-life and pro-family
    I wonder what Hee-Haw thinks "pro-family" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    It's a moot point I suppose. Why would a liberal want to go to a college founded to promulgate the ideals of somebody like Jerry Falwell? for lulz ?
    Epic trolling.

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    "Pro-family" means "not LGBT". I love political buzzwords. They're not anti equality, they're pro-family. They're not anti-abortion, they're pro-life.

    Seriously, who the fuck isn't pro family? What, there's a gay guy on the street corner with a picket sign shouting "FUCK NUCLEAR FAMILY UNITS"? Bullshit.
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    I think the whole "support the troops" meme gives a good framework. challenge what it means, have GLDT pro family groups start up, food banks and the sutch. then the meme ends its meaning.
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    I have no goddamn idea why the Religious Right supports the Republican party in ideology. Logically you'd think Christians would lean more towards the big government, socialistic Democrats instead of a party that (knock on Goldwater's coffin) is supposed to be about limited government and doing shit for yourself.
    "Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    I have no goddamn idea why the Religious Right supports the Republican party in ideology. Logically you'd think Christians would lean more towards the big government, socialistic Democrats instead of a party that (knock on Goldwater's coffin) is supposed to be about limited government and doing shit for yourself.
    It depends entirely on whether you interpret biblical injuctions to be charitable to mean with other people's money. That's why there are a lot of Christian Libertarians, including Ron Paul. They're the ones who understand it to mean they're supposed to be charitable with their own money and effort.

    He used to treat broke people at massive discounts, or sometimes for free, even after finishing work at a church run charity hospital. He never looked around and thought 'what we need here is a government programme'.
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    I trust God more than I trust you. And that will never change. I've always viewed you as kind of a snake. No biblical connotations need apply, just the regular ones. You're wise. You're really intelligent. But you're also conniving and have this way of getting what you want when you want it. The sickness I was talking about was your propensity to kind of reach in and grasp on to something to define someone here. You harangue them about it and manipulate it in to conversations. You do that with every single poster here. You do this until they see things your way. The "correct way". It's vile.

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    Render undo Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
    "Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    Render undo Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
    Interpret that as you will. It doesn't stop lots of Libertarians being Christians, for the reason I've just explained to you.

    If you try and derive an approach to political economy from Christian principles, you can take it pretty much any way you want as long as you still see Christ as the saviour and try to obey some vaguely plausible interpretation of the 10 commandments. It's just like there are Christians who don't think Marijuana is forbidden by God, or who don't think that polygamy is wrong, whilst others would be vehemently opposed to both.

    If you want to see inside the mind of an extremely religious protestant who is a Libertarian, read the free 'biblical economics' stuff on Dr. Gary North's website.
    I'm sure you'll find it as weird as I do that somebody arrives at an economic conclusion by interpreting some millenia-old myths from the near-eastern desert, but it will explain to you where these Christian Libertarians are coming from.

    Weird metaphysical views aside, he's a very educated guy (his Ph.D isn't some bullshit bible-college or correspondance course Ph.D) and a good writer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resolve
    I trust God more than I trust you. And that will never change. I've always viewed you as kind of a snake. No biblical connotations need apply, just the regular ones. You're wise. You're really intelligent. But you're also conniving and have this way of getting what you want when you want it. The sickness I was talking about was your propensity to kind of reach in and grasp on to something to define someone here. You harangue them about it and manipulate it in to conversations. You do that with every single poster here. You do this until they see things your way. The "correct way". It's vile.

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