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    Back in the 1980s, President Reagan was ridiculed for backing the so-called "Star Wars" missile defense system. When a few of Saddam's SCUDS got past Patriot Missile defenses in Israel during the Gulf War, the nay sayers tried to scuttle the program for good.

    At the close of his second term, President Clinton finally caught onto the value of the work being done and boosted research funding.

    Quietly, last week it was announced a working land-based system is now in place.

    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9146

    Capable of protecting parts of North America from surprise attack, the U.S. finally realizes "Star Wars"

    It took nearly 25 years, but President Reagan's vision of a ballistic missile defense to safeguard the U.S. has finally come to fruition. After a final successful test last week, the system's tracking radars and interceptor rockets are now ready for use and capable of responding to an unannounced attack on North America.


    General Victor Renuart Jr., senior commander for defense of United States territory, said that while the system is still being upgraded with additional radars and interceptors, it can already guard the U.S. West Coast against a limited attack from Asia.


    As more components come online in California and Alaska, the system will be able to protect larger areas from more complex attacks.

    When first proposed, critics originally called the system "Star Wars" and derided "Ronnie Raygun's" scheme as scientifically impossible. Despite repeated criticism, research development that began shortly after Reagan's 1983 speech continued.


    Early work focused on exotic beam weapons to knock out incoming missiles. But the development of ultra-high-speed electronics soon enabled the approach used today- - the EKV, or Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle. The EKV collides directly with incoming missiles, using its own kinetic energy to destroy the target, an approach described as "hitting a bullet with another bullet."

    Renuart claims the system, while operational, still has not received the military's claim of "fully operational." He claims in July 2006 parts of the system were tested as North Korea staged missile testing around that time.


    Raytheon reported successful test interceptions on five separate occasions since October 1999.


    The most recent test was held last Friday. A target missile was launched from Kodiak Island, Alaska, and tracked by radar at Beale Air Force Base, outside of Sacramento. The interceptor was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base, near Santa Barbara, California, and scored a direct hit.

    Shortly after the testing, Lieutenant General Henry Obering III, director of the Missile Defense Agency, said, "Does the system work? The answer is yes to that."

    Plans for European expansion of the system call for missile interceptors in Poland and a tracking radar in the Czech Republic to defend against the threat of Middle Eastern ballistic missiles.
    Once again, the nay sayers who said it couldn't be done are proven wrong. Money they would have wasted buying 108 inch plasma screen televisions "for the chillllldrennnnn!" has instead gone towards securing the nation against nuclear armed madmen around the world.

    So there.

    If you can remember the vitriol heaped on Reagan during those years, especially when he walked away from the negotiating table with Gorbachev in Iceland because he refused to negotiate away "Star Wars", only then can you appreciate what a vindication this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emboesso
    Back in the 1980s, President Reagan was ridiculed for backing the so-called "Star Wars" missile defense system. When a few of Saddam's SCUDS got past Patriot Missile defenses in Israel during the Gulf War, the nay sayers tried to scuttle the program for good.

    At the close of his second term, President Clinton finally caught onto the value of the work being done and boosted research funding.

    Quietly, last week it was announced a working land-based system is now in place.

    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9146



    Once again, the nay sayers who said it couldn't be done are proven wrong. Money they would have wasted buying health care for the children has instead gone towards distracting us from the fact that we are under no threat of anybody overtly bombing us, but instead from people smuggling weapons into the country, or better yet, using materials already in the country to kill us.

    So there.
    Also, since it's land-based, it would be called "Land Wars", which is a very boring name.

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    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all

    In 1996, after some tension over Taiwan, a Chinese general reminded America that China possesses the means to incinerate Los Angeles with nuclear missiles
    It is also worth noting how much has changed the past 23 years, and what can change in the next 23 years. This is by no means a bad thing to have.

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    hooray for skynet

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    Quote Originally Posted by emboesso
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all



    It is also worth noting how much has changed the past 23 years, and what can change in the next 23 years. This is by no means a bad thing to have.
    The only crazies that would launch any missles are the super religious ones who think they will go to Heaven for it. Not exactly China.

    Name a few crazies who are in office. Besides W. Because even the craziest leader knows that his shit now is more important than any supposed virgin shit he can get in the afterlife. That's why he became a politician and not a preacher.

    Even Kim Jong Il knows that he can't fuck with anybody because he wants to hold on to Korea. Saddam wouldn't have used any WMD's against us unless it was in self-defense, precisely because he was a greedy bastard and knew that if he were dead, he'd have nothing. Is this getting through to you?

    As soon as ANYBODY launches a missle at us, the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD dies. Nobody is going to say "Har har! You launched a missle that we disabled before it got here! Better luck next time LOL!"

    No. If anybody launches a nuclear missle at us, even if we stop it, it's still war. If it was a nuke and they have another, then we can't even invade because they were dumb enough to use it on us, they will use it on themsevles when we are there. Then allies come in. Boom. Everybody dies. I hope you go out last so you can see how fucking stupid your idea is.

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    Raytheon reported successful test interceptions on five separate occasions since October 1999.
    What horseshit. I was a Patriot Missile Technician (27X, reclassified to 35S), and this is typical government bull. Raytheon was developing the system called THAADS, (Theater High Altitude Area Defense System) with a contract clause that it would be able to shoot down at least 3 out of 13 missiles in the air. When we tested it, it had only hit two on indirect impact, (the promise was direct impact, an indirect impact on a nuke would still mean annihilation, it just wouldn't hit the center of the city, it would hit the periphery), out of 12 shots. What they mean by "successful test interceptions" is a highly ambiguous term, since they don't mean a 1-to-1 correlation, (one shot, one kill in military terms).

    The military shut down the test to avoid filing a breach of contract against Raytheon. Whenever N. Korea developed the Taepodong-3 missile, the military listed the THAADS system as fully operational, even though all of them were sitting on Ft. Bliss. (The Radar freaking rocks though!)

    The new system is nothing more than a revision of the HAWK/Nike/Hercules/Patriot/Thaads system. It's a ground-based system that shoots a missile up into the air to hit another missile. The "Star Wars" program of Reagan was a gigantic laser beam in the air that could shoot from outer space. The "Star Wars" program was scrapped after wasting much tax payer dollars after the military said that a ground-based system would be much more efficient than a space-based system.

    Lo and behold, they invented another ground based system. There's only two notable differences here, the ability to go to such high altitudes and the ability to travel as fast as it does, (the other missiles go Mach VI, this one is supposed to go five times faster).

    In brief, outside from the fact that they call it the "Star Wars" program, it has nothing in common with the system that Reagan wanted to develop, which was nothing more than a waste of money. The ground-based systems were made in response to the failure of the "Death Star" approach.

    Second, it's the exact same damn thing we already have had for missile defense systems, made by the exact same damn company that's made all the other missile defense systems. The only difference between this and THAADS is the Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle, which seperates from the main weapon. The tracking system on the anti-missile systems is great, but the missiles never do a "hit-to-kill", they always detonate somewhere near the missile and just steer it off course. If the EKV actually does a "hit to kill" it would be a vast improvement over anything else we've ever had.

    The reason the military overhypes these systems is to make our nuclear enemies think "If we shoot them with a nuke, they can intercept it and counter-strike us, and we can't intercept their missile!" Nonetheless, there's no general in the military dumb enough to actually test this out in for real, it's a cross your fingers and pray sort of deal if it actually came to this.

    The nuke is a deterrent, a very evil deterrent.
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    Here's the first problem with your thread:

    The Star Wars defense system referred to Reagan's brilliant idea of putting lasers in space to fry nukes. That's it. And that is retarded. Anti-missile missiles aren't the same thing at all.

    And THEN everything Poop Loops said.

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    Reagan's only vindication- and it's a good one- is that the Soviet Union no longer exists. Even then, his fans are apt to say Reagan "won" the Cold War; he did his part and happened to be the last man at bat (Bush Sr. did a victory lap for the team).

    This isn't Star Wars, emboesso.

    The Air Force's air-borne laser is a step in that direction though.

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    It's not like Reagan single-handedly deUSSR'ed the USSR, either. A lot of it was due to it crumbling on itself.

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    Why "Star Wars" is null and void.




    P.S. You have all of your facts wrong, yet again, emb. Back in the 80's, it wasn't that people thought Reagan was wrong. It's that they thought the program would be too expensive. Not that national deficits are important to the fiscally conservative, mind you.

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