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    this is going to cause a lot of aussie chest beating i think. the media has been pretty enthusiastic about the story. comparisons between australian and british soldiers are already being made.

    if you want a different MP3 version of the story click HERE (length - 3:57)

    Navy 'repelled Iran kidnap attempt'

    By Europe Correspondent Rafael Epstein

    Royal Australian Navy personnel were almost captured by Iranian forces but repelled them using "highly colourful language", according to reports in the UK.

    The incident happened a few months before 15 British sailors and marines were taken prisoner in the same Gulf waters.

    Several military sources have told the BBC that Iranian naval forces tried to capture an Australian Navy boarding team but were vigorously repelled.

    The BBC claims that the Australian Navy boarding party had just finished searching a vessel in the Gulf, when Iranian boats came out to meet them.

    The Australians reportedly saw the Iranian patrol approaching, reboarded the ship they had been searching, and aimed their weapons at the Iranian boats.

    The Australians used what was described as "highly colourful language" to deter the Iranian patrol.

    It is not known if details of the incident were passed onto the British Navy before 15 of its personnel were captured in March.

    'Bunch of cowards'

    "The point of this story is not that the Aussies were fantastically brave and the Brits were a bunch of cowards, although I'm sure [that's how] some people will interpret it," BBC journalist Frank Gardner told the AM program.

    "They had no choice, the Brits, to put down their weapons.

    "They were caught at such short notice, they were surrounded, if they had put up any resistance and opened fire they would have been massacred.

    "Lessons should have been drawn from what happened to the Australian crew."

    The British captives were eventually released after being paraded on TV, but caused huge controversy in the UK when two of them sold their stories to the media.

    Prime Minister John Howard has told Channel Seven he cannot confirm the report.

    "I'll be getting some further advice later this morning," he said.

    "The only thing I can say is that the people we have in the Gulf are engaged on very dangerous work.

    "The Royal Australian Navy has done a fantastic job and a very courageous job. But as to the particulars of that claim I'm not advised, and I can't help you further."

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again:

    "HEIDEGGER'S WORK ISN'T PURELY ROMANTICISM, BU-"

    Oh. Wait.

    I mean: "The Australian armed forces are of a high calibre."
    "Even logical positivists are capable of love." - A.J. Ayer

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno
    this is going to cause a lot of aussie chest beating i think.
    As it fucking well ought to. Good on 'em!

    Harsh language and counter-aggro FTW.

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    I'd of thought it was vegemite breath, an uncanny knowledge of geopolitics, and a shrill war cry of, " a Spaniard, I am."

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno
    this is going to cause a lot of aussie chest beating i think. the media has been pretty enthusiastic about the story. comparisons between australian and british soldiers are already being made.
    About this part with the British incident:

    "They were caught at such short notice, they were surrounded, if they had put up any resistance and opened fire they would have been massacred."
    He's just trying to be nice. As I said before, fake uniforms/militias/al-Qaeda are rife in the area. If they were thinking "oh gee I don't want to make an international incident", they screwed up because how did they have any way of knowing those guys were Iranian soldiers and not al-Qaeda, etc? They could have been tortured and beheaded as opposed to "only" being used for high-impact embarassing propaganda.

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    I disagree. I do not think that any rebel groups would have access to Iranian-marked gunboats and uniforms, unless the gunboats were unmarked or not even gunboats at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawarma
    I disagree. I do not think that any rebel groups would have access to Iranian-marked gunboats and uniforms, unless the gunboats were unmarked or not even gunboats at all.
    "Patrol vessels" were what surrounded them first, not gunboats.

    After the successful boarding of the innocent Indian vessel, the Britons began returning to their RIBs. At that moment one Iranian patrol vessel came alongside, adopting a friendly posture. As a second Iranian vessel arrived, the Revolutionary Guards turned aggressive.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1582544.ece

    Hre's an Iranian patrol boat:



    A lot easier to get a hold of then a gunboat. All they would have needed are reasonably passable Iranian flags and uniforms, which could be easily manufactured.

    The Iranians wagered the Brits wouldn't react, correctly, just as was done in the USS Cole bombing.

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    An Iranian patrol boat from 87. But I guess that it would be easy to disguise a regular craft as a patrol boat from Iran with false markings and such. Just sounds out of the thinking range of the Iraqi insurgents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawarma
    An Iranian patrol boat from 87. But I guess that it would be easy to disguise a regular craft as a patrol boat from Iran with false markings and such. Just sounds out of the thinking range of the Iraqi insurgents.
    Well, you know what they say- the best two days of boat ownership are the day you buy it, and the day it gets bombed to the bottom of the strait of Hormuz

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    i'd never say that aus soldiers are braver than the brits. many of my relatives have fought for britain, including the boer war, and WWI and WWII. more recently my uncle was in the british navy. my cousin served for australia in iraq last year. i don't like to compare or criticise either in this way.

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