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    WARMONGER EXPLAINS WAR TO PEACENIK


    PEACENIK
    Why did you say we are we invading Iraq?


    WARMONGER
    We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of security council
    resolution 1441. A country cannot be allowed to violate security
    council resolutions.


    PEACENIK
    But I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were in violation
    of more security council resolutions than Iraq.


    WARMONGER
    It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is that Iraq could
    have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign of a smoking
    gun could well be a mushroom cloud over NY.


    PEACENIK
    Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said Iraq had
    no nuclear weapons.


    WARMONGER
    Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue.


    PEACENIK
    But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles for attacking
    us or our allies with such weapons.


    WARMONGER
    The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather terrorists
    networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to.


    PEACENIK
    But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or biological
    materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the eighties ourselves,
    didn't we?


    WARMONGER
    That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil man that has
    an undeniable track record of repressing his own people since the
    early eighties. He gasses his enemies. Everyone agrees that he is a
    power-hungry lunatic murderer.


    PEACENIK
    We sold chemical and biological materials to a power-hungry
    lunatic murderer?


    WARMONGER
    The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam did. He is the
    one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on Kuwait.


    PEACENIK
    A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't our ambassador
    to Iraq, Gillespie, know about and green-light the invasion of
    Kuwait?


    WARMONGER
    Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq could sell
    its biological and chemical weapons to Al Qaida. Osama BinLaden
    himself released an audio tape calling on Iraqis to suicide attack
    us, proving a partnership between the two.


    PEACENIK
    Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan to kill
    him?


    WARMONGER
    Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama Bin Laden on
    the tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the same: there could
    easily be a partnership between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein
    unless we act.


    PEACENIK
    Is this the same audio tape where Osama Bin Laden labels Saddam a
    secular infidel?


    WARMONGER
    You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape. Powell
    presented a strong case against Iraq.


    PEACENIK
    He did?


    WARMONGER
    Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Qaeda poison factory in
    Iraq.


    PEACENIK
    But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part of Iraq
    controlled by the Kurdish opposition?


    WARMONGER
    And a British intelligence report...


    PEACENIK
    Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date graduate
    student paper?


    WARMONGER
    And reports of mobile weapons labs...


    PEACENIK
    Weren't those just artistic renderings?


    WARMONGER
    And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from inspectors...


    PEACENIK
    Wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons inspector,
    Hans Blix?


    WARMONGER
    Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot be
    revealed because it would compromise our security.


    PEACENIK
    So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of mass
    destruction in Iraq?


    WARMONGER
    The inspectors are not detectives, it's not their JOB to find
    evidence. You're missing the point.


    PEACENIK
    So what is the point?


    WARMONGER
    The main point is that we are invading Iraq because resolution 1441
    threatened "severe consequences." If we do not act, the security
    council will become an irrelevant debating society.


    PEACENIK
    So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the security council?


    WARMONGER
    Absolutely...unless it rules against us.


    PEACENIK
    And what if it does rule against us?


    WARMONGER
    In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to invade Iraq.


    PEACENIK
    Coalition of the willing? Who's that?


    WARMONGER
    Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for starters.


    PEACENIK
    I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them tens of
    billions of dollars


    WARMONGER
    Nevertheless, they may now be willing.


    PEACENIK
    I thought public opinion in all those countries was against war.


    WARMONGER
    Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority expresses its will
    by electing leaders to make decisions.


    PEACENIK
    So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority that is
    important?


    WARMONGER
    Yes.


    PEACENIK
    But George B-


    WARMONGER
    I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, however they
    were elected, because they are acting in our best interest. This is
    about being a patriot. That's the bottom line.


    PEACENIK
    So if we do not support the decisions of the president, we are not
    patriotic?


    WARMONGER
    I never said that.


    PEACENIK
    So what are you saying? Why are we invading Iraq?


    WARMONGER
    As I said, because there is a chance that they have weapons of mass
    destruction that threaten us and our allies.


    PEACENIK
    But the inspectors have not been able to find any such weapons.


    WARMONGER
    Iraq is obviously hiding them.


    PEACENIK
    You know this? How?


    WARMONGER
    Because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and they are
    still unaccounted for.


    PEACENIK
    The weapons we sold them, you mean?


    WARMONGER
    Precisely.


    PEACENIK
    But I thought those biological and chemical weapons would degrade
    to an unusable state over ten years.


    WARMONGER
    But there is a chance that some have not degraded.


    PEACENIK
    So as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons exist,
    we must invade?


    WARMONGER
    Exactly.


    PEACENIK
    But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical,
    biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range missiles that can
    reach the west coast AND it has expelled nuclear weapons
    inspectors, AND threatened to turn America into a sea of fire.


    WARMONGER
    That's a diplomatic issue.


    PEACENIK
    So why are we invading Iraq instead of using diplomacy?


    WARMONGER
    Aren't you listening? We are invading Iraq because we cannot allow
    the inspections to drag on indefinitely. Iraq has been delaying,
    deceiving, and denying for over ten years, and inspections cost us
    tens of millions.


    PEACENIK
    But I thought war would cost us tens of billions.


    WARMONGER
    Yes, but this is not about money. This is about security.


    PEACENIK
    But wouldn't a pre-emptive war against Iraq ignite radical Muslim
    sentiments against us, and decrease our security?


    WARMONGER
    Possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change the way we
    live. Once we do that, the terrorists have already won.


    PEACENIK
    So what is the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security,
    color-coded terror alerts, and the Patriot Act? Don't these change
    the way we live?


    WARMONGER
    I thought you had questions about Iraq.


    PEACENIK
    I do. Why are we invading Iraq?


    WARMONGER
    For the last time, we are invading Iraq because the world has called
    on Saddam Hussein to disarm, and he has failed to do so. He must
    now face the consequences.


    PEACENIK
    So, likewise, if the world called on us to do something, such as find
    a peaceful solution, we would have an obligation to listen?


    WARMONGER
    By "world," I meant the United Nations.


    PEACENIK
    So, we have an obligation to listen to the United Nations?


    WARMONGER
    By "United Nations" I meant the Security Council.


    PEACENIK
    So, we have an obligation to listen to the Security Council?


    WARMONGER
    I meant the majority of the Security Council.


    PEACENIK
    So, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of the Security
    Council?


    WARMONGER
    Well ... there could be an unreasonable veto.


    PEACENIK
    In which case?


    WARMONGER
    In which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto.


    PEACENIK
    And if the majority of the Security Council does not support us at
    all?


    WARMONGER
    Then we have an obligation to ignore the Security Council.


    PEACENIK
    That makes no sense:


    WARMONGER
    If you love Iraq so much, you should move there. Or maybe France,
    with the all the other cheese-eating surrender monkeys. It's time
    to boycott their wine and cheese, no doubt about that.


    PEACENIK
    I give up.



    >>>Always walk on a bright, wide road. If you choose to live with your right posture, you don't have to go on a dark road or a malodorous place. Oyama

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    And don't forget the oil, Pat, it's all about the oil.

    "Go cry about it Vargas. Aren't you late for your shift at McDonald's?"

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    Hey baby killer!

    How about logic? Are there any faults in this article? (Did you bother to read it?) Point them out or admit defeat.

    Now I gotta run down to the protest, or rather drive down in my sticker covered Volkswagen van (two beds, great stereo, TV, and a vhs with lots of porno), and seduce all the young (very very young) girls. First I'll git 'em stoned and then....


    I'm sure you are having fun, on those copters with all the other guys, with all that power vibrating under your butts....sounds kinda gay to me. Think of me partying like crazy with my young, very young, girls friends that I pick up at the demos while you’re out there on maneuvers with all the real men, defending my rights - and it's all about the OIL, as she said yesterday after the protest."I'm so tight you had better get the lubricating OIL and put it here, oh yes! There! And there! And back there too!"


    >>>Always walk on a bright, wide road. If you choose to live with your right posture, you don't have to go on a dark road or a malodorous place. Oyama

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    I'm sure you are having fun, on those copters with all the other guys, with all that power vibrating under your butts....
    Is anyone else as turned on by this as me?
    *Everyone that does TKD likes to have their fudge packed deeper than Jerry Springer's Final Thought*

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    Sticks and stones, dude, sticks and stones. . .




    And with all this talk of 'vibrating butts' and lubricating oil, I better go have a 'staff meeting', if you know what I mean.

    "Go cry about it Vargas. Aren't you late for your shift at McDonald's?"

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    Hey Napalm Lover,

    on that other thread I'll try to answer your questions (more or less what to do now?) and you'll answer mine. Is there flaws in this article?

    >>>Always walk on a bright, wide road. If you choose to live with your right posture, you don't have to go on a dark road or a malodorous place. Oyama

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    PEACENIK
    "Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said Iraq had
    no nuclear weapons."

    If they don't, it's because Israel blew up the reactor at Osirak in the 80s with U.S.-built F-16s. If he does, do you really think 40 inspectors in a country the size of California will find them in four months? Please.

    "PEACENIK
    But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles for attacking
    us or our allies with such weapons"

    Patriot crews are intercepting SCUDs and low-tech UAVs being launched at Kuwait right now. The only reason nothing has been launched at Israel is because JSOC owns (insert Brandiessansoo picture here) western Iraq. Nice try, but no cigar.

    "PEACENIK
    Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan to kill
    him?"

    Uh, no, not really. It's quite hard to track down one scumbag and kill him, especially in his own backyard. Al Quaida is bigger than one man. The point of Enduring Freedom was to destroy the offensive capabilities (ie camps, training sites, etc. . .) of Al Quaida. Stop watching Jerry Bruckheimer movies and join the real world.

    "PEACENIK
    So as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons exist,
    we must invade?"

    There is no "small chance" about it. Iraq has WMD. No if, ands or buts. Take my word for it, I can't get more specific than that. Why the hell would Jordan and Saudi Arabia let us launch off their soil? They know the truth, just like every other country in the world knows the truth. Saddam has chem and bio weapons and wants nukes really bad. Trust me, this is fact, not opinion.


    I'll post more rebuttals but, alas, I have errands to run to. To be continued. . .

    "Go cry about it Vargas. Aren't you late for your shift at McDonald's?"

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    pat -
    "Hey baby killer!"
    "Hey Napalm Lover,"

    In the other thread you ask him to respnd to what was said not what he infered.
    I agree, and unless I misread something this is what you are doing!
    You both disagree but argue the topic not each other, please.
    "Can't we all just get along?"

    "I do not agree with what you have to say but, I will defend to the death your right to say it."
    -Voltaire

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    Hey Vargas, I was under the impression that Saudi and Jordan weren't officially allowing US troops to use there land?
    You might know more than me though.

    And I echo poets sentiment, argue the topic and not each other.

    "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"
    -Ghandi
    "Pranksters and LARPists write or call in threats. Guys like me claim responsibility.

    -SFGoon.

    "I can teach libs to love guns faster then I can teach cons to think, it seems."

    -JohnnyCache

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    Did I say Jordan and Saudi Arabia were allowing U.S. troops to use their land? Hmm, I guess if CNN doesn't report something, it doesn't exist, right? :)

    Believe me, there is a lot going on right now that isn't showing up on the news. Take heart, though, in the knowledge that things are going pretty much all our way, at least for the moment. Even I'm surprised, though, at how much the average Iraqi loathes Saddam Hussein and his family.

    "Go cry about it Vargas. Aren't you late for your shift at McDonald's?"

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