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Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
5th July 19, 05:01 PM
"....and only Boris Johnson has the charisma, the leadership skills, the quailities needed to defeat Jeremy Corbyn.... Vote for Boris save the country"

Jacob Crackers Tree Frogg

Üser Friendly
6th July 19, 03:14 AM
If Boris is the answer, what is the question?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th July 19, 06:22 AM
How fucked up is the UK?

Jean-Paul Sartre
6th July 19, 05:37 PM
How fucked up is the UK?

I don't know. Don't you live there?

Üser Friendly
7th July 19, 03:54 AM
England is going senile

Cullion
7th July 19, 06:58 AM
Boris is the only candidate to be sure of beating Corbyn, because he's the only candidate rank and file tories believe actually wants to deliver brexit, and without somebody like that a lot of them will defect to the Brexit Party.

How's Ireland getting on with its EU fishing fine, Doofa ?

Üser Friendly
7th July 19, 10:58 AM
Grand thanks

How's the UK doing boarding Iranian tankers on Trump's orders?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th July 19, 08:18 AM
So Boris threw the US Ambassador under the bus. I think we all now know without a doubt that the Boris will be a fawning Trump door mat.

YAY!

Üser Friendly
10th July 19, 03:06 PM
Boris is Trump's Mini-me

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
18th July 19, 10:48 AM
he is also wrong about EU regulations about kippers!

Üser Friendly
19th July 19, 07:26 AM
Red herring

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
19th July 19, 11:19 AM
There should be some kind of live fact checking going on at these things. Twats like Johnson & Trump can just say any old shit & the press is toothless.

Cullion
20th July 19, 11:01 PM
It's the same across the political spectrum

Cullion
20th July 19, 11:37 PM
It's the same across the political spectrum

Üser Friendly
21st July 19, 02:55 PM
Saying it twice doesn't make it twice as true

Cullion
21st July 19, 07:52 PM
yes it does

yes it does

Üser Friendly
22nd July 19, 10:55 AM
It's looking like the Con parlimentary party is going to get rid of Boris if he doesn't behave himself

Cullion
22nd July 19, 11:20 AM
Just like they did May. It only took 3 years.

Üser Friendly
22nd July 19, 11:57 AM
Boris is way more dangerous.

The potential damage he could do to the economy and UK's reputation makes May's missteps pale into insignifigance

May was unpopular because she was seen as weak and ineffective

Boris is a loose canon, but his inability to deliver on the promises he has made regarding Brexit will end his career just as it did poor Theresa's

Cullion
22nd July 19, 12:11 PM
What are the promises you believe Boris has made ?

Üser Friendly
22nd July 19, 02:48 PM
That he's going to leave on the next leave date with or without a deal, he's going renegotiate a better deal

What things do you think he is telling the truth about?

Pie of Hate
23rd July 19, 04:28 AM
Wiff Waff. I don't think he lied about that.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
23rd July 19, 01:31 PM
It's the same across the political spectrum

No shit?

Well apparently he's going to unite the divided kingdom.. mmmmmmmm

Robot Jesus
23rd July 19, 07:43 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gkojm4B.jpg

Üser Friendly
24th July 19, 07:05 AM
Wiff Waff. I don't think he lied about that.

IMO he is just saying what he knows the Cons want to hear without having any real plan about how to achieve it

If you don't consider that a lie, fair enough, but it isn't exactly truthfull either

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
24th July 19, 08:21 AM
he doesnt a plan he just needs us to be positive & all will be well with the world

Üser Friendly
24th July 19, 12:20 PM
That is how the stock market works, after all

Pie of Hate
25th July 19, 03:17 AM
IMO he is just saying what he knows the Cons want to hear without having any real plan about how to achieve it

If you don't consider that a lie, fair enough, but it isn't exactly truthfull either

So he did lie about Wiff Waff being the origins of Ping Pong? That bastard!

Üser Friendly
25th July 19, 03:01 PM
BASTARD!!!

Robot Jesus
29th July 19, 12:46 PM
Boris Johnson is set to spend £100 million on advertising a Brexit no-deal, government sources have said.



https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/29/boris-spend-100000000-just-advertising-no-deal-brexit-10478751/


glad the NHS doesn't need any money

Cullion
29th July 19, 12:49 PM
100 million is less than a third of our weekly contribution to the EU.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
30th July 19, 04:13 AM
...glad the NHS doesn't need any money

Thats the least of it, he's promising tax cuts (estimated ~£9bn loss ot the Treasury), more police, better trains, more money for Northern Towns (~£3.6bn), fund for farmers post Brexit (~£1bn).

The Office of Budget Responsibility estimates Johnson's spending spree will mean the UK has to borrow an extra ~£30bn a year.

SWEETS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

Üser Friendly
30th July 19, 05:58 AM
BoJo- Peace in our time

Cullion
31st July 19, 04:22 AM
Thats the least of it, he's promising tax cuts (estimated ~£9bn loss ot the Treasury), more police, better trains, more money for Northern Towns (~£3.6bn), fund for farmers post Brexit (~£1bn).

The Office of Budget Responsibility estimates Johnson's spending spree will mean the UK has to borrow an extra ~£30bn a year.

SWEETS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

Aren't you exactly the same kind of cunt who has spent the last decade moaning about austerity?

Why yes, you are.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
31st July 19, 06:30 AM
Yeah & Boris is the same cunt that was all for it until it came time to take over which just highlights the utter bullshit it was all along.

Üser Friendly
31st July 19, 12:25 PM
It's Dr Cunt to you Cullion

Cullion
1st August 19, 02:39 AM
Yeah & Boris is the same cunt that was all for it until it came time to take over which just highlights the utter bullshit it was all along.


UK public spending has risen faster than inflation every year since 'austerity' started. It was always a left wing myth. That said, the public finances are in a much better state than Labour left them in. Pray thst nobody like Corbyn gets their hands on them.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 19, 03:31 AM
UK public spending has risen faster than inflation every year since 'austerity' started. It was always a left wing myth.


Oh please austerity is a well known anti-Keynesian economic argument, Tories love that shit.

"...age of austerity" - D. Cameron

Üser Friendly
1st August 19, 12:01 PM
So how many years of EU subs can you get for £2.1billion Cullion?

Cullion
1st August 19, 01:27 PM
If Austerity means 'still having spending rise faster than inflation', then I guess so.

But that's not any reasonable person's definition of austerity, it's just a confusing slogan.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd August 19, 03:47 AM
Yeah... yeah... you're only fooling yourself.

Brecon and Radnorshire LOL! And then there was 1

Üser Friendly
2nd August 19, 09:10 AM
Ouch

So was the Welsh leave vote a protest vote IYO?

Cullion
3rd August 19, 10:14 AM
The welsh leave vote was significantly to do with the effect of EU policy on remaining welsh heavy industry. The brecon & radnor byelection was called because the sitting conservative MP was convicted of expense fraud, and the pro-remain parties cooperated to let Heidi Allen run unopposed by other remainers. The Brexit party and the Conversatives did not cooperate so the leave vote was split.

This does not mean that people in the constituency had switched from leave to remain, but it does mean that if Boris Johnson faces another general election where the Brexit party doesn't cooperate with him he's probably screwed.

Cullion
3rd August 19, 10:15 AM
Yeah... yeah... you're only fooling yourself.

No, as usual my opinion is based on numerical reality and yours is based on clumsy twitter memes.

Üser Friendly
4th August 19, 06:46 AM
Bless you for looking on the bright side Cullion

Cullion
4th August 19, 04:45 PM
It's also the truth

Üser Friendly
5th August 19, 09:24 AM
Truth?

Hardly

It's your interpretation weighted by your personal opinion

Just as my interpretation is weighted by my opinion

Cullion
5th August 19, 12:01 PM
No, it's actually the objective truth.

Here's the Guardian proudly reporting that exactly what I've just told you happened, happened
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/05/pro-emain-parties-strike-brecon-and-radnorshire-byelection-pact-to-fight-conservatives

See, I check things and cross-reference numbers I read, rather than base all my opinions on 'bloke down the pub' and twitter meme bullshit.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
5th August 19, 02:06 PM
Yeah they split the vote LOL!!!

B(N)P are really fucking things up for the Tories :D

Cullion
5th August 19, 04:15 PM
This will either force the Tories into a harder brexit position, or see the end of the Tory party.

Üser Friendly
6th August 19, 03:16 AM
No, it's actually the objective truth.

Here's the Guardian proudly reporting that exactly what I've just told you happened, happened
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/05/pro-emain-parties-strike-brecon-and-radnorshire-byelection-pact-to-fight-conservatives

See, I check things and cross-reference numbers I read, rather than base all my opinions on 'bloke down the pub' and twitter meme bullshit.

The part i'm disagreeing on is when you claim voters did not switch from leave to remain

The article you cite has no numbers that i could see

I need a graph dammit!

Cullion
6th August 19, 11:58 AM
But you never read graphs

Üser Friendly
14th August 19, 01:36 PM
A pie chart?

Cullion
14th August 19, 04:42 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brecon_and_Radnorshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency )


2017
Conservative Christopher Davies 20,081 48.6 +7.5
Liberal Democrat James Gibson-Watt 12,043 29.1 +0.8
Labour Dan Lodge 7,335 17.7 +3.0
Plaid Cymru Kate Heneghan 1,299 3.1 −1.3
UKIP Peter Gilbert 576 1.4 -6.9
Majority 8,038 19.5 +6.7
Turnout 41,334 76.9 +3.1
Registered electors 56,010
Conservative hold Swing +3.4

2019
Liberal Democrat Jane Dodds[11] 13,826 43.5 +14.4
Conservative Christopher Davies 12,401 39.0 −9.6
Brexit Party Des Parkinson 3,331 10.5 n/a
Labour Tom Davies 1,680 5.3 -12.4
Monster Raving Loony Lady Lily the Pink 334 1.0 n/a
UKIP Liz Phillips 242 0.8 -0.6

The brexit vote in 2017 was 50% (UKIP plus conservative)

The brexit vote in 2019 was 50.3% (UKIP plus conservative plus Brexit party)

The share of brexit voters went up from 2017 to 2019.

Üser Friendly
15th August 19, 02:17 PM
What have you got against pie charts?

Cullion
16th August 19, 02:20 PM
i just can't be bothered to dump the numbers into excel and draw it for you, but once again, the numbers show that your twitter & pub based intuitions are wrong.

Üser Friendly
16th August 19, 06:08 PM
Slacker

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
19th September 19, 10:45 AM
"There's no press here" - B. Falafel Johnson

Cullion
19th September 19, 03:03 PM
Junker has just confirmed that Boris persuaded him to drop the backstop.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
20th September 19, 05:51 AM
I think its looking good for Johnson today. Weirdly today I fee like leaving the EU

Cullion
20th September 19, 12:57 PM
it's never too late to change your mind.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
20th September 19, 01:40 PM
maybe if we have another referendum :D

Cullion
20th September 19, 04:42 PM
I'm okay with that as long as the options are 'no deal', <other deals they said they'd accept, which so far is only May's>, 'ask to join EEA (Norway)' and 'ask to join EFTA (Swiss)', 'ask to join customs union (Turkey)', 'insist on FTA without border restrictions in Ireland than WTO rules if they refuse' are the options.

I wouldn't accept one that had 'undo the last vote we never acted on' as an option.

I would vote for the EFTA option if I got that referendum.

Robot Jesus
2nd October 19, 09:49 AM
BoJo's bizzare adventure gets ties up in the muller report


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/donald-trump-impeachment-president-called-boris-johnson-for-help-to-discredit-mueller-inquiry-jlkztnfpx

Cullion
2nd October 19, 10:56 AM
Some of the accusations made against Trump were made up by a former MI6 officer who now works freelance.

Robot Jesus
2nd October 19, 11:42 AM
some, but a small enough part of the overall debacle that trying to tie it into poison tree doctrine is a gargantuan leap.

If that was a damning detail he would not have been pestering the leaders of Italy, UK, Ukraine, and Australia to dig up dirt to make it all go away.

Cullion
2nd October 19, 12:00 PM
some, but a small enough part of the overall debacle that trying to tie it into poison tree doctrine is a gargantuan leap.

If that was a damning detail he would not have been pestering the leaders of Italy, UK, Ukraine, and Australia to dig up dirt to make it all go away.

I suppose it depends on exactly what 'dig up dirt' means. It may have been reported like that when it actually means 'find evidence showing these allegations are false'.

Maybe that's not what it means, but I do remember Steve Bannon having selective quoting in mainstream papers that completely reversed the meaning of what he originally said.

Robot Jesus
2nd October 19, 01:17 PM
is a personal request from the president the proper way to conduct such an investigation? Wouldn't a conspiracy to undermine the authority of the president with falsehoods be something the FBI and CIA be very interested in, and not just direct presidential appointees? Is it appropriate for the president to be investigating this outside of standard investigatory bodies?

Cullion
2nd October 19, 03:00 PM
"is a personal request from the president the proper way to conduct such an investigation?" why shouldn't it be?

If you were accused of something you didn't do, and you thought an acquaintance could demonstrate it, wouldn't you ask them ?

"Wouldn't a conspiracy to undermine the authority of the president with falsehoods be something the FBI and CIA be very interested in, and not just direct presidential appointees"

That's a very naive thing to ask. It's quite obvious that there are people in the FBI and other US govt. agencies that are partisan against Trump. We're experiencing exactly the same kind of phoney-neutrality from sectors of the public service over brexit in the UK. The last two generations of education haven't prepared people to separate their personal feelings and political opinions on an issue from their professional judgement very well.

Robot Jesus
5th October 19, 09:24 AM
" It's quite obvious that there are people in the FBI and other US govt. agencies that are partisan against Trump. We're experiencing exactly the same kind of phoney-neutrality from sectors of the public service over brexit in the UK."

there is a term for that, rampant corruption. if this is truly the case it's a very serious accusation that demands heavy handed and far reaching reforms. What it doesn't demand is cheekily going around said agencies.

since that is the course of action chosen, I'm inclined to believe the agencies in question are not the wrong party.

Cullion
5th October 19, 09:59 AM
" It's quite obvious that there are people in the FBI and other US govt. agencies that are partisan against Trump. We're experiencing exactly the same kind of phoney-neutrality from sectors of the public service over brexit in the UK."

there is a term for that, rampant corruption. if this is truly the case it's a very serious accusation that demands heavy handed and far reaching reforms.

And what do you think all the anti-trump partisans in public agencies and the media would do if Trump started to carry out those kind of 'heavy handed reforms'. You're being very, very naive here.



What it doesn't demand is cheekily going around said agencies.

That's exactly what it would require.



since that is the course of action chosen, I'm inclined to believe the agencies in question are not the wrong party.

You've just watched the same agencies waste years trying to find *something* they could pin on Trump. To still believe in their impartiality is quite a stretch.

Look, Trump is an unreconstructed 70s style male chauvinist and islamophobe. But he is not a Nazi. The real problem for his enemies is that he is not a globalist. He doesn't support seamless movement of capital and workers in a way that undermines national democracies. This is an obvious threat to many extremely powerful vested interests. Big swathes of the population have been conditioned by rotten universities and mediacorps to denounce anybody working against these interests as a Nazi/Racist etc.. You are one of these conditioned people. Open your eyes. You're on the same side as Goldman Sachs and the festering conformist miasma of besuited Yale graduates that run public services in the US here. I've watched you repeatedly believe very crude untruths you accepted uncritically based on vague impressions you picked up from 'respectable' media. You're living in a filtered reality.

Robot Jesus
5th October 19, 12:41 PM
It's the opinion of the DoJ that a president cannot be charged with a crime. So while we have people in prison or facing charges for following Trumps orders, he's immune while in office. only tool to deal with him is impeachment, but as a political process the facts of the case only have meaning in the context of public opinion.

Clinton was guilty of perjury, but the GOP couldn't make that be an important fact. It's a little sad people don't consider buying a night with a porn star with campaign funds impeachable, but it's not in question that that happened. Pining something on Trump legally isn't the trick, it's finding something bad enough that he becomes toxic to his own party.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th October 19, 07:11 AM
I think Trump is an narcissistic opportunist game player with a pretty weak grasp on Global dynamics personally.

Its funny how over the years how the 'Left' which once demostrated against rampant Globalism now finds itself defending it.

Overall though I think freedom of movement is better for Humanity. I find the idea of governments coralling in their populaces & adhering to a strictly protectionist economy to be flawed & unsustainable but here we are.

Cullion
6th October 19, 07:48 AM
People weren't that tightly coralled before. The difference is that you're now being asked to subsidise the mass movement of labour and cede your right to tax overseas capital flows.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th October 19, 08:25 AM
People weren't that tightly coralled before.

That depends on when you think 'before' was I guess. One of the over arching themes I've seen emerge when talking with populist-right-paleoconservatives types is that some kind of serfdom would sort out Humanity.

Cullion
6th October 19, 10:25 AM
Who?

The UK and US have always had immigration. Passports didn't even exit until the 19th century.

What's changed is that you're now expected to subsidise the mass importation of new labour to compete at the bottom end of the market whilst accepting paid media stooges and corrupt left-wing academics yelling 'racist' at you if you object.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th October 19, 10:41 AM
Who?

A group Trad Catholics I have a cordial but antagonistc relationship with.


The UK and US have always had immigration. Passports didn't even exit until the 19th century.

Sorry but that's just not true Britain has had passports of one kind or another for over 500 years. They didnt have their current legal goepolitical standing until WWI & The League of Nations agreement later in 1920.

Prior to this foreign travellers usually had to have travel papers which had a list of places they were allowed to travel to if they were travelling on from a sea port.


What's changed is that you're now expected to subsidise the mass importation of new labour to compete at the bottom end of the market whilst accepting paid media stooges and corrupt left-wing academics yelling 'racist' at you if you object.

How is this "mass importation of new labour" subsidized?

Cullion
6th October 19, 12:32 PM
British letters of safe passage weren't about border control, they were documents signed by the king granting safe passage through his Kingdom, the breach of which was treated as High Treason. They were also issued to people born in England.

You subsidise the import of labour in lots of ways. Housing costs go up, public services are more stretched and there is targetted public assistance only available to new arrivals. Being concerned about this is not racism. The people arriving are normal decent people like you or I, trying to make a better life for themselves but make no mistake that this movement is being encouraged for no reason other than to suppress wages at the bottom of the pyramid. You complain about social conservatives wanting to make you into a serf.. but it's actually the neoliberals who are doing it right now. The tug of war between capital and labour hasn't been this one-sided since the middle ages.

Robot Jesus
6th October 19, 12:37 PM
still it's fighting for a hay penny's while the people making pounds don't notice; not exactly an enviable model for reform.

Cullion
6th October 19, 12:45 PM
The people making the pounds are making them by forcing permanent social disruption and ever poorer public services on the poorest and then shouting 'racist' at them when they object. At fundraisers, affluent new-left politicians and Goldman bankers laugh so hard the champagne squirts out of their nostrils about this.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th October 19, 01:42 PM
British letters of safe passage weren't about border control, they were documents signed by the king granting safe passage through his Kingdom, the breach of which was treated as High Treason. They were also issued to people born in England.

Yes they were the proto-passports as I said.


You subsidise the import of labour in lots of ways. Housing costs go up, public services are more stretched and there is targetted public assistance only available to new arrivals. Being concerned about this is not racism. The people arriving are normal decent people like you or I, trying to make a better life for themselves but make no mistake that this movement is being encouraged for no reason other than to suppress wages at the bottom of the pyramid. You complain about social conservatives wanting to make you into a serf.. but it's actually the neoliberals who are doing it right now. The tug of war between capital and labour hasn't been this one-sided since the middle ages.

That's Capitalism for you.

Cullion
6th October 19, 01:49 PM
That's globalism. Not the same thing

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th October 19, 03:44 PM
Neoliberal Globalism is the righteous inheritor of Capitalism & u nose zit!

Fucking hell I bet Thatcher's turning in her grave!!

That reminds me...

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Cullion
6th October 19, 03:57 PM
Neoliberal Globalism is the righteous inheritor of Capitalism & u nose zit!

Not really. I'd hardly say Trump wasn't a capitalist.

Robot Jesus
6th October 19, 04:29 PM
papers have called him a retarded 16th century mercantialist; seems appropriate.

Cullion
6th October 19, 04:57 PM
'Papers' tend to be owned by neoliberal globalists. You see the connection now?

Robot Jesus
6th October 19, 05:42 PM
doesn't discredit the charge. is he not a 16th century mercantilist.

Cullion
7th October 19, 02:02 AM
No. He only imposes sanctions on countries that he belives are already practicing protectionism or dumping against the US

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
7th October 19, 03:57 AM
Otherwise known as nationalist protectionism. Its hitting US manufacturing & farming pretty badly.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
8th October 19, 04:26 AM
We should never have repealed the corn laws!

Robot Jesus
8th October 19, 09:02 AM
No. He only imposes sanctions on countries that he belives are already practicing protectionism or dumping against the US

and the result has been long term damage to US industry.

Cullion
8th October 19, 11:19 AM
How do you know what the long-term effects are ?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
8th October 19, 11:35 AM
I suppose you could look at current trends & make a guess.

The ISM U.S. manufacturing purchasing managers’ index came in at 47.8% in September, the lowest since June 2009. (https://www.instituteforsupplymanagement.org/ismreport/mfgrob.cfm?SSO=1&mod=article_inline)

Cullion
8th October 19, 11:59 AM
Most of the developed world is heading into recession. They happen quite regularly. How do you untangle all the contributing factors here?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
8th October 19, 12:16 PM
Sure it is but the tariffs Trump has imposed are impacting manufacturing supply chains & that is showing in the linked report.

Also the farmers are starting to really feel the strain. (https://www.fb.org/market-intel/farm-loan-delinquencies-and-bankruptcies-are-rising)

Robot Jesus
8th October 19, 12:17 PM
How do you know what the long-term effects are ?

hard to buy steel from anyone else, hard to sell soy to anyone else.