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Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th April 16, 11:21 AM
Tesla started taking orders for the Model 3 last week, and the results were remarkable. In 24 hours the company took $1,000 deposits for 198,000 vehicles. By end of Saturday the $1,000 deposits topped 276,000 units; for a car not expected to really be available until 2017. Compare that with the top-selling autos in the U.S. in 2015:

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/adamhartung/files/2016/04/U.S.-Auto-Sales1.jpg

Source: Tesla Model 3: This Is What A 'Game Changer' Looks Like (http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2016/04/05/tesla-model-3-this-is-what-a-game-changer-looks-like/#260bcfade674)


Yet, Tesla is not without detractors. From the beginning some analysts have said that high prices would relegate the brand to a small niche of customers. But by outselling all other manufacturers in its price point, Tesla has demonstrated its cars are clearly not a niche market. Likewise many analysts argued that electric cars were dependent on high gasoline prices so that “economic buyers” could justify higher prices. Yet, as gasoline prices have declined to prices not seen for nearly a decade Tesla sales keep going up. Clearly Tesla demand is based on more than just economic analysis of petroleum prices.

NoBowie
6th April 16, 12:10 PM
Bleah. The Russian Lesbian's husband reserved 2. Not a fan.

Popularity /= Quality.

Uber was smart, they went with Mercedes over Tesla (http://electrek.co/2016/03/18/uber-order-mercedes-100000-autonomous-cars/) for their self-driving vehicles order.

Feryk
6th April 16, 01:37 PM
I'm still gonna test drive one at some point. I am officially interested.

NoBowie
6th April 16, 02:17 PM
You can have my internal combustion engine when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

My next German beauty is scheduled to arrive in the U.S.A on May 12th, 333hp, 0-60 in 5.7s, supercharged, 7 passenger seating:

Can tow shit and everything. Can't wait to get a boat.

http://i.imgur.com/v9dMLrd.jpg

resolve
6th April 16, 07:45 PM
Tesla is more than just the car.

NoBowie
6th April 16, 08:05 PM
Yes. It's the company of the man who repeatedly told his wife, "if you were an employee, I'd fire you" and is allegedly very emotionally abusive.

Fuck that jerk.

Feryk
6th April 16, 09:22 PM
You are allegedly a sexless emasculated half man. I can allege anything I want to without actual proof, see how that works?

Here is the worst I could find:

http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/advice/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/

His ex-wife bitching she signed a pre-nup.

NoBowie
6th April 16, 10:44 PM
The only reason he got government money is because he agreed to install a backdoor kill switch and remote control capability for the U.S. government into every Tesla.

I'm not driving in something that can become an instant prison via satellite.

Üser Friendly
7th April 16, 12:32 AM
Can't wait to get a boat.

http://yachtpals.com/files/news/sinking-yacht-city2.jpg

NoBowie
7th April 16, 10:59 AM
When an unnamed employee missed a work function to attended the birth of their child instead, Musk wrote this email, "That is no excuse. I am extremely disappointed. You need to figure out where your priorities are. We're changing the world and changing history, and you either commit or you don't."

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/11/elon-musk-scolded-employee-for-missing-work-to-see-birth-of-chil/

Üser Friendly
7th April 16, 11:14 AM
When an unnamed employee missed a work function to attended the birth of their child instead, Musk wrote this email, "That is no excuse. I am extremely disappointed. You need to figure out where your priorities are. We're changing the world and changing history, and you either commit or you don't."

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/11/elon-musk-scolded-employee-for-missing-work-to-see-birth-of-chil/

So are you saying corporations should have more family friendly policies, or a 'socially positive' ethos?

NoBowie
7th April 16, 11:31 AM
So are you saying corporations should have more family friendly policies, or a 'socially positive' ethos?

Nope. Just Tesla. Elon Musk should be jailed.

Mine and other big IT companies in the U.S. have great family friendly policies, more than employees deserve.

I get paternity leave. Up to six weeks. Paid. Can take it in 3 separate blocks of 2 weeks if I want. Any time in the first year after birth. Outside of / in addition to my normal vacation and sick days. (which I have 25 business days worth, meaning I can take a full month + 1 week off of work each year + paternity leave = 3 full months off PAID this year if I want)

Go fuck yourself. You ask the stupidest questions. Goddamn.

Üser Friendly
7th April 16, 11:40 AM
Nope. Just Tesla. Elon Musk should be jailed.

for being mean to his employees?


Mine and other big IT companies in the U.S. have great family friendly policies, more than employees deserve.

I get paternity leave. Up to six weeks. Paid. Can take it in 3 separate blocks of 2 weeks if I want. Any time in the first year after birth. Outside of / in addition to my normal vacation and sick days.


Sounds like a little bit of socialism is good for business

NoBowie
7th April 16, 11:48 AM
Sounds like a little bit of socialism is good for business

That's not socialism. That is pure capitalism. The job market dictates you have to provide levels of benefits comparable to other companies competing for employees.

There was no government intervention here. Just the invisible hand of a market, so fuck you.

Feryk
7th April 16, 12:43 PM
When an unnamed employee missed a work function to attended the birth of their child instead, Musk wrote this email, "That is no excuse. I am extremely disappointed. You need to figure out where your priorities are. We're changing the world and changing history, and you either commit or you don't."

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/11/elon-musk-scolded-employee-for-missing-work-to-see-birth-of-chil/

You missed the best part of the article:

UPDATE: While Tesla (http://www.autoblog.com/tesla/) would not give AutoblogGreen (http://www.autoblog.com/green/) an official comment on the matter, Musk himself took to Twitter (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/598065854736044032) to say that, "It is total BS & hurtful to claim that I told a guy to miss his child's birth just to attend a company meeting. I would never do that."

Got anything else?

Robot Jesus
7th April 16, 01:27 PM
boats are a money pit.

NoBowie
7th April 16, 01:32 PM
boats are a money pit.

I have moneys.

I think I just want a Zodiac with a 50hp motor, very low maintenance, reasonably fast, flexible use:

http://i.imgur.com/wqMGR1o.jpg


Only $15k for this beauty:

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|215570|1794285|1799925&id=2379189

http://i.imgur.com/QwDDcHU.jpg

Feryk
7th April 16, 02:40 PM
Have fun with that. Been awhile since I've been in one, but it's a fun toy to have.

NoBowie
7th April 16, 03:32 PM
Oh, also, we have tons of free boat launches in my area.

And a huge river that runs the length of Washington state and is like a kilometer wide.

More like a big lake, really.

Feryk
7th April 16, 04:08 PM
If you buy one, you have to trick it out in some way. Maybe get it pinstriped like your Mercedes?

Üser Friendly
8th April 16, 12:44 AM
That's not socialism. That is pure capitalism. The job market dictates you have to provide levels of benefits comparable to other companies competing for employees.

There was no government intervention here. Just the invisible hand of a market, so fuck you.

So

If a gvt provides benefits for maternity and paternity (or what ever else) it is socialism?

If a corporation provides benefits for maternity and paternity (or what ever else) it is capitalism?

Is that your position?

Üser Friendly
8th April 16, 12:55 AM
You missed the best part of the article:

UPDATE: While Tesla (http://www.autoblog.com/tesla/) would not give AutoblogGreen (http://www.autoblog.com/green/) an official comment on the matter, Musk himself took to Twitter (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/598065854736044032) to say that, "It is total BS & hurtful to claim that I told a guy to miss his child's birth just to attend a company meeting. I would never do that."

Got anything else?

It's not like NoB to take an article, or study, or list and not read it properly

Feryk
8th April 16, 09:48 AM
So

If a gvt provides benefits for maternity and paternity (or what ever else) it is socialism?

If a corporation provides benefits for maternity and paternity (or what ever else) it is capitalism?

Is that your position?

If the corp provides those benefits, it's to maintain a competitive advantage when attracting and retaining talent. When a government does it, it uses other people's tax dollars indiscriminately. You must see the difference.

Syntactical Disruptorize
8th April 16, 11:20 AM
You must see the difference.
Even if he does, he won't. But it's so cute to watch you hope for things.

Feryk
8th April 16, 12:28 PM
Even if he does, he won't. But it's so cute to watch you hope for things.

I'm an optimist at heart. But not a wild-eyed die hard one. Hope can wither and eventually die.

Üser Friendly
8th April 16, 01:34 PM
If the corp provides those benefits, it's to maintain a competitive advantage when attracting and retaining talent. When a government does it, it uses other people's tax dollars indiscriminately. You must see the difference.

I see the difference, but again it depends on the competence of the gvt involved

Scandinavian countries that score highly on human rights etc, are generally socialist, with good standards of living also have exceptional, market leading (if i may) paternity/maternity leave policies

Feryk
8th April 16, 01:42 PM
Sure. IF you are Scandanavian. Ask ANY of the refugees about how beneficial their 'socialism' is.

Did you know: In Sweden, Bosnian refugees were housed in the 'refugee quarter' in most cities. Even today, it is frowned upon them living anywhere else. Also, Bosnian refugees were given a special class of citizenship - which is inherited, btw, UNLESS their GRANDCHILDREN find a nice ethnic Swede to marry. Oh, and btw, the Bosnian refugees who are trades people must charge less than their Swedish counterparts and are given the last calls at the union hall regardless of the quality of work that they do.

YES, they were able to leave Bosnia without being killed. Yes, they got free healthcare. But equal citizenship - fuck off.

So, ftr, your ideal socialist utopia is a racist hotbed of discrimination. Loses credibility from there.

Üser Friendly
8th April 16, 01:49 PM
Fucking Swedish bastards. they produced ABBA as well you know

Cunts

the Norwegians and Danish are nice though

Feryk
8th April 16, 01:59 PM
http://brobible.com/girls/article/hot-norwegian-blogger-emilie-nering/

They are using their attractiveness to distract us from the real issue of government ineptitude. But really, who would mind...

http://www.norwaypost.no/index.php/news/poll/22-the-july-22nd-terror-report-reveals-major-incompetence-by-government-and-officials-in-dealing-with-the-crisis-what-should-the-consequences-be-

As for the Danes, well, they definitely have a more diverse gene pool:

http://spikey.com/21-most-beautiful-danish-women-world-beauty-series/

And the Finns invented sauna and hot tubbing, so really, they get a lot of benefit of the doubt.

Üser Friendly
8th April 16, 02:32 PM
I have worked with all four scandy nationals when i was in the army, over in Bosnia for the UN

The Finns were the least friendly, the Danes were the most

There is something about a tall blond woman with a G3 rifle that just does it for me

Feryk
8th April 16, 02:35 PM
When were you in Bosnia?

Üser Friendly
9th April 16, 03:24 AM
92

Feryk
9th April 16, 09:46 PM
I had friends there. Did you come across the Canadians while in country?

resolve
10th April 16, 01:21 AM
All I'm going to say is Gigafactory+Solar City, Hyperloop, SpaceX. (Not to mention a service called PayPal).

Tesla will pretty much always be funded and therefore have room to innovate without it being a tremendous risk every time.

Üser Friendly
10th April 16, 05:41 AM
I had friends there. Did you come across the Canadians while in country?

I was attached to Canadian engineers on a couple of occasions, providing med cover on ops to clear mines and rebuild bridges etc

They were good humored and gracious hosts (the Quebequois not so much), and being attached to CanBat was a treat

Feryk
11th April 16, 02:07 PM
I had a friend who served in 91-92 in Bosnia with the PPCLI. He doesn't talk about it much, but when he does....

If you saw the same shit, then I feel for you. That stuff sticks around.

NoBowie
12th April 16, 02:11 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/11/tesla-recalls-2700-model-x-cars.html

Tesla recalls 2,700 Model X SUVs

Tesla is warning owners of its Model X SUV to not have anyone sit in the back of the vehicle until it can replace the third-row seat backs, which could fail in an accident.


--------------------

WTF? They can't even make a proper seat? That's like 1910 shit.

Feryk
12th April 16, 03:04 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/3c/2c/bd3c2cc99b4be0d6e2d5210351209871.jpg

NoBowie
5th May 16, 02:41 PM
On Wednesday, Tesla reported a $283 million loss for Q1 2016, its 12th straight quarterly loss in a row.

http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/05/tesla-announces-12th-quarterly-loss-but-promises-half-million-cars-by-2018/

NoBowie
5th May 16, 03:03 PM
I hate electric cars. That said I will probably buy a couple of Tesla's home battery systems next year when I go solar.

Feryk
5th May 16, 03:07 PM
They know how to design cars. Now they need to know how to make money from it.

NoBowie
17th May 16, 11:57 AM
Tesla relied on cheap foreign labor to build a hi-tech paint shop in California, paying workers as little as $5 an hour.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/16/elon-musk-tesla-wages-apology

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
20th May 16, 11:38 AM
Is that good Capitalism? You're very confusing at times NoB

Syntactical Disruptorize
20th May 16, 12:09 PM
Everything is confusing when your perspective is sufficiently cartoonish. It's kind of like how people who read only science popularizations view physics.

NoBowie
20th May 16, 12:36 PM
Is that good Capitalism? You're very confusing at times NoB

Do I care if someone uses cheap labor? Not really. Most of the time, the job referenced is still one of the best jobs available in the region.

However, the hippie fucks who suck Tesla cock pretend to care about such things. Of course, there will be no outrage or boycotts from them on the Tesla front.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
20th May 16, 01:24 PM
Face it, he's all that's great about America!

Syntactical Disruptorize
20th May 16, 01:41 PM
Face it, you're not merely partisan, you're a man-child who should stick to his one tiny area of competence. And this ain't it.

NoBowie
20th May 16, 01:49 PM
Face it, he's all that's great about America!

???

http://i.imgur.com/h4e5VCs.jpg

NoBowie
20th May 16, 02:45 PM
Hey Hippies, George W Bush did more for wildlife conservation (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/jan/06/ocean-conservation-george-bush-pacific) in the last bits of his presidency than pretty much any other person on the planet.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
20th May 16, 02:48 PM
Eldon Musk is the personification of a successful American Capitalist NoB, you're just jealous of his success.

MerkinMuffly
20th May 16, 03:04 PM
Hey Hippies, George W Bush did more for wildlife conservation (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/jan/06/ocean-conservation-george-bush-pacific) in the last bits of his presidency than pretty much any other person on the planet.
Nixon had a conservation legacy that made W's look like that of an eco criminal.

Feryk
30th May 16, 11:09 AM
The Republicans are all about conservation. They need the hunting grounds to shoot each other in the face with shotguns.

NoBowie
1st July 16, 12:40 PM
Tesla kills 'driver' while it is in autopilot mode.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesla-fatal-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

The driver of a Tesla Model S electric sedan was killed in an accident when the car was in self-driving mode.

Federal regulators, who are in the early stages of setting guidelines for autonomous vehicles, have opened a formal investigation into the incident, which occurred on May 7 in Williston, Fla.

In a statement, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said preliminary reports indicated that the crash occurred when a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front of the Tesla, and the car failed to apply the brakes.

Electric cars kill. They killed this guy: (he made videos praising the very thing that would take his life)

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Electric cars need to be BANNED.

MerkinMuffly
1st July 16, 10:00 PM
The thread title was right all along.

MerkinMuffly
1st July 16, 10:02 PM
Electric cars need to be BANNED.

You just went full doofa.

Feryk
4th July 16, 02:49 PM
??? Does that mean a self driving gas fuelled Audi would've been okay? Isn't it the self driving part of the tech that is a problem?

Syntactical Disruptorize
4th July 16, 10:10 PM
I think he's mocking Doc's stances in other areas.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
5th July 16, 02:47 AM
If he's alluding to GMO's, I dont think they should be banned.

Syntactical Disruptorize
5th July 16, 07:21 AM
Maybe it's your stance that Jews should be labelled so that others can make informed choices about who they murder.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
6th July 16, 07:57 AM
?

Feryk
6th July 16, 11:59 AM
Maybe it's your stance that Jews should be labelled so that others can make informed choices about who they murder.

Well, that's transparency. And really, how could you possible consider yourself environmentally friendly and not agree with some genocide? Population control is the single biggest environmental threat to the planet. We just need less people. Some labelling would make it easier to figure out which ones to keep.

Syntactical Disruptorize
6th July 16, 01:28 PM
?
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Syntactical Disruptorize
6th July 16, 01:29 PM
Well, that's transparency. And really, how could you possible consider yourself environmentally friendly and not agree with some genocide? Population control is the single biggest environmental threat to the planet. We just need less people. Some labelling would make it easier to figure out which ones to keep.
Guess I need some new T-shirts. I'd like people to be clear that I'm a keeper.

Feryk
6th July 16, 01:43 PM
Something like 'Do Not Exterminate' ?

Syntactical Disruptorize
6th July 16, 02:24 PM
TYPE O NEGATIVE
CONTROL ROOM
ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL

NoBowie
11th July 16, 11:29 AM
Guess I need some new T-shirts. I'd like people to be clear that I'm a keeper.

No, get a tattoo, ala' Mad Max:

http://i.imgur.com/8mKn8em.png

Harpy
23rd September 16, 08:31 PM
I went for a dinner with a friend who has worked at Tesla for the last 5 years - I didn't know that as she's not been back to Aus for about 7 years and her LinkedIn profile and social media presence are limited and reveal little. Even as we had dinner she didn't give away much except that she thought she would only last 6 months there but since then has just taken it a day at a time. She enjoys her job but the looming presence of the Musk, his random emails to all staff, micromanaging (she said he makes all hiring and firing decisions right down to the factory floor and also approves all expenses from $10 upwards). Her face was grimacing as she spoke about it, especially the work hours, working weekends, public holidays, having months of work scrapped all of a sudden but overall I don't think she's going to leave just yet.

NoBowie
24th September 16, 09:39 AM
I went for a dinner with a friend who has worked at Tesla for the last 5 years - I didn't know that as she's not been back to Aus for about 7 years and her LinkedIn profile and social media presence are limited and reveal little. Even as we had dinner she didn't give away much except that she thought she would only last 6 months there but since then has just taken it a day at a time. She enjoys her job but the looming presence of the Musk, his random emails to all staff, micromanaging (she said he makes all hiring and firing decisions right down to the factory floor and also approves all expenses from $10 upwards). Her face was grimacing as she spoke about it, especially the work hours, working weekends, public holidays, having months of work scrapped all of a sudden but overall I don't think she's going to leave just yet.
It's ok to abuse Tesla employees. Elon Musk is going to change the world. He is the savior of all mankind!

(according to the lefties I interact with anyways)

MerkinMuffly
24th September 16, 01:05 PM
It's ok to abuse Tesla employees. Elon Musk is going to change the world. He is the savior of all mankind!

(according to the lefties I interact with anyways)

Elon is doing god's work.
His car already took out one hippie.

Harpy
24th September 16, 06:24 PM
Take care on the road Muffster.

NoBowie
4th October 16, 01:45 AM
Take the self-driving car morality quiz and post your results: http://moralmachine.mit.edu/

My results: http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-216285101

Basically, assuming the car can determine gender, species, a rough degree of social status and physical fitness, who would you kill as an AI if you had to choose?

Are passengers important above all? Is obeying traffic laws important in an emergency situation? Etc. Somewhat thought provoking. Then I started thinking about if sexual activity in the car increases passenger importance because they are procreating. Then I started thinking about sex. Then I started thinking about Lily in her grandma bathing suit and the thoughts of sex disappeared.

Harpy
4th October 16, 02:24 AM
I saved more kids and killed more animals.

My differences to you are on upholding the law (less
likely), avoiding intervention more, saving more fat people and saving marginally more
questionable types (social value).

Pie of Hate
4th October 16, 03:34 AM
Results: http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1334842628

If you cross when the sign is red, you're a gonna. If you're a fit lady, you're going to be just fine.

NoBowie
4th October 16, 10:45 AM
Results: http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1334842628

If you cross when the sign is red, you're a gonna. If you're a fit lady, you're going to be just fine.

I didn't even factor in the walk / don't walk sign into my decisions.

Pie of Hate
5th October 16, 04:44 AM
It had to be the deciding factor when all pedestrians were fat. Fat law breakers don't matter.

NoBowie
25th October 16, 09:45 AM
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Tesla Reliability Doesn’t Match Its High Performance - Consumer Reports auto survey finds that the Model S has too many problems to recommend

http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla-reliability-doesnt-match-its-high-performance/

And "Tesla Model X has proved to be unreliable overall"

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/tesla-model-x-reliability.htm

Wipe that little little smug weasel smile off your face, Elon.

lant3rn
8th July 17, 12:54 AM
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Tesla Reliability Doesn’t Match Its High Performance - Consumer Reports auto survey finds that the Model S has too many problems to recommend

http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla-reliability-doesnt-match-its-high-performance/

And "Tesla Model X has proved to be unreliable overall"

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/tesla-model-x-reliability.htm

Wipe that little little smug weasel smile off your face, Elon.
I recently invested in this company, should i be worried NOB?

NoBowie
8th July 17, 10:08 AM
No. My dislike for Tesla vehicles is a minority opinion.

Hell, I will probably buy one of their battery walls for my home when I get solar panels installed.

lant3rn
9th July 17, 02:07 PM
No. My dislike for Tesla vehicles is a minority opinion.

Hell, I will probably buy one of their battery walls for my home when I get solar panels installed.

You're just setting me up for the fall :(