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Üser Friendly
28th October 15, 08:59 AM
Randomocracy

This is my new political system that puts the power back into the hands of the people, and does away with a political class that often has no better qualification than being popular

The representatives of the population, on all levels are drawn at random from the electoral register

They then serve a limited tenure and return to their lives, and are barred from future selection.

Before I start printing pamphlets I would like you all to test the concept and it's credebility

Viva la Revolution!

NoBowie
28th October 15, 10:08 AM
No felons.



No increasing taxes.



Nothing new made illegal. (for example, they decide to ban commercials with thin girls or some silly shit.)



Accountability for bad decisions (you are picked at random and let go after a set period, that might increase the chances of the group to make risky / poor decisions)


Then I might sign off on it.

Üser Friendly
28th October 15, 01:18 PM
No felons.



No increasing taxes.



Nothing new made illegal. (for example, they decide to ban commercials with thin girls or some silly shit.)



Accountability for bad decisions (you are picked at random and let go after a set period, that might increase the chances of the group to make risky / poor decisions)


Then I might sign off on it.


Ex-cons should be included if they are eligible to vote

What point would there be to public representation if change could not be affected for the public good

Accountability is important, but the mechanisms to achieve this are no different from the present system

NoBowie
28th October 15, 01:21 PM
1st world countries need more freedom, not less. Any government system you are going to put in place that will further restrict the average person and reduce the accountability of the representatives is a poor one.

In the current system, folks are trying to get re-elected. That at least introduces some form of accountability. In your system, there is no chance of that.

MerkinMuffly
28th October 15, 01:45 PM
It's not going to gain traction unless it has manifesto in the title.

Cullion
28th October 15, 06:44 PM
I would be okay with a portion of the House of Lords being selected this way (for a temporary period). The problem is it would be like jury duty.. a lot of people would try and avoid it because it would be a massive interruption of normal life. self employed people would risk their clients all walking away etc..

I'd prefer it if elected representatives were the ones eligible to serve in the executive (i.e. as government ministers)t and were the ones who proposed new laws to vote on, but everybody in the adult population had an electronic vote on each bill, from home. You could add a few rules like 'a bill doesn't get through unless at least X% of the population bothered to vote on it' in addition to getting more than 50% of the votes. boring things with poor turnout could be kicked up to just be voted on by the elected representatives if necessary.

it would be much closer to an actual democracy.

Üser Friendly
29th October 15, 08:33 AM
It's not going to gain traction unless it has manifesto in the title.

Sexist

Üser Friendly
29th October 15, 08:41 AM
I would be okay with a portion of the House of Lords being selected this way (for a temporary period). The problem is it would be like jury duty.. a lot of people would try and avoid it because it would be a massive interruption of normal life. self employed people would risk their clients all walking away etc..

Most elected officials can manage to run their businesses whilst getting paid to be elected officials, so I don't think this would be too much of an issue. And just as in jury service you can get off it it you have a good enough reason


I'd prefer it if elected representatives were the ones eligible to serve in the executive (i.e. as government ministers)t and were the ones who proposed new laws to vote on, but everybody in the adult population had an electronic vote on each bill, from home. You could add a few rules like 'a bill doesn't get through unless at least X% of the population bothered to vote on it' in addition to getting more than 50% of the votes. boring things with poor turnout could be kicked up to just be voted on by the elected representatives if necessary.

I think it is more important that the executive representatives are skilled in the area over which they are responsible, you know a member of the legal profession in charge of law and order, a member of the armed forces in defence etc

These roles could be selected from the books of the representative organization

Totally up for e-voting by the general public.

Pie of Hate
29th October 15, 08:49 AM
Who's going to oversee this process, because that's where the real power will be.

Üser Friendly
29th October 15, 08:54 AM
Well NoB is doing such a great job here we should offer him the job

Cullion
29th October 15, 02:33 PM
Most elected officials can manage to run their businesses whilst getting paid to be elected officials, so I don't think this would be too much of an issue. And just as in jury service you can get off it it you have a good enough reason

Not really. A lot of professional politicians have side-earnings like company non-exec directorships and occasional journalism, but it's not really compatible with something like keeping a plumbing business or hairdressing salon going. What you're proposing would be a lot more like jury duty, with all the problems that can cause for people.



I think it is more important that the executive representatives are skilled in the area over which they are responsible, you know a member of the legal profession in charge of law and order, a member of the armed forces in defence etc

These roles could be selected from the books of the representative organization

This kind of technocracy is very, very vulnerable to each post being captured by one of the special interest groups it's attempting to regulate. I don't think it's a good idea for overall police oversight to be restricted to people with long-standing personal loyalties to the police, for example.

Üser Friendly
30th October 15, 04:48 AM
Not really. A lot of professional politicians have side-earnings like company non-exec directorships and occasional journalism, but it's not really compatible with something like keeping a plumbing business or hairdressing salon going. What you're proposing would be a lot more like jury duty, with all the problems that can cause for people.

Well Ok, that's fair enough, so lets view it from another angle

Divide the £67,060 basic salary between the rep and another person employed to manage the reps business for the period of duty

The rep can oversee the business and day to day running is left to the proxy

Reps who are employed have their job protected and a substitute comes in to cover them, as with maternity cover




This kind of technocracy is very, very vulnerable to each post being captured by one of the special interest groups it's attempting to regulate. I don't think it's a good idea for overall police oversight to be restricted to people with long-standing personal loyalties to the police, for example.

That is true, so how do I prevent that? Perhaps take the executive from the random pool, and have specialists randomly selected to advise?

IMO the role of the rep is to oversee and regulate the senior civil servants who are the people that really have the ideas and make the decisions. If this is left to a stuffed shirt selected by the Party only the self interest/re-election prospects of the Party will be protected

Feryk
30th October 15, 12:15 PM
I'm in favor of meritocracy: If you can run a large organization successfully, you can run a government.

I think that to qualify for elected office, you need to be one of the most successful people financially in your district. Say, a net worth of at least two standard deviations above the mean for your area. Perhaps an income component as well.

The people on that list should be compelled to serve. Any of them worth anything are capable of having an organization that can run without them for a period of time.

And they should be paid in line with senior executives. NOT CEO pay, but SVP pay makes sense to me.

Üser Friendly
30th October 15, 12:50 PM
I vote Donald Trump

Having a lot of money does not guarantee business acumen as money is most likely inherited rather than built up from scratch

Syntactical Disruptorize
31st October 15, 10:41 AM
IMO the role of the rep is to oversee and regulate the senior civil servants who are the people that really have the ideas and make the decisions. If this is left to a stuffed shirt selected by the Party only the self interest/re-election prospects of the Party will be protected
Instead it's a stuffed shirt selected by the civil service system. Fuck your dystopia and fuck your happiness.

Pie of Hate
31st October 15, 11:56 AM
Having a lot of money does not guarantee business acumen as money is most likely inherited rather than built up from scratch

He's also been bankrupt 4 times. Is that really someone you want to have fiscal control of your countries budget?

Üser Friendly
31st October 15, 01:41 PM
No

Feryk
2nd November 15, 03:27 PM
Having a lot of money does not guarantee business acumen as money is most likely inherited rather than built up from scratch

I'm sorry, I should've put a 'tongue in cheek' tag on that post. I was not serious.

At all.

Üser Friendly
3rd November 15, 08:35 AM
That's a relief