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Üser Friendly
14th June 13, 04:09 PM
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/marlboro-race-car-x_zps55e4b680.jpg

It only seems like yesterday that evil Nicotene controled the minds of the kids through the medium of sports sponsership. Then one day the world said 'No more!' and it all ended. Plenty of commentators predicted a decline in revenues and a subsiquent loss of beloved sports like driving round in circles realy fast, but like nature, sponsership abhors a vacume and others leapt in to support our noble sports men and women

The reasons for banning tobbaco sponsership of sport is obvious even to Plisskin. A culture of health and fitness should not be promoting a substances that causes the death of 5 million people per year ( http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/ )

That is the whole population of the Republic of Ireland

So next on the line is alcohol, with a death toll of 2.5 million people annually ( http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/in-the-news/155-25-million-alcohol-related-deaths-worldwide-annually )

Ireland is proposing to ban all alcohol advertising in sport, worth €30 million per year. It is not a done deal, and there have been jitters, but I for one welcome the bold move

Just like the tobbaco ban, new sponsers will step up, and sports will not die

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sport-will-suffer-from-alcohol-sponsorship-ban-229388.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-alcohol-sponsorship-643232-Oct2012/

NoBowie
14th June 13, 04:32 PM
The idea is not that athletes are using the product, but those watching.

Alcohol and watching sports go hand in hand. I think this is Nanny state stuff and needs to stop. I think nudity should also be allowed in advertisements, just not pornography.

I can't stand watching football, baseball, soccer, or hockey unless I am drunk.

Tennis and F1 are ok sober.

Spade: The Real Snake
14th June 13, 05:44 PM
So is the average UFC fan more likely to consume xyience or Mickey's Malt Liquor?

OZZ
14th June 13, 08:36 PM
One of the biggest Tennis tournaments we have up here used to be called the
Du Maurier Classic - not anymore.
Not sure what its named now..maybe The Rogers Cup ?

Anyways, cigarettes and sports don't mix. I'd just as soon see no tobacco ads on playing fields or billboards, arenas etc.
Smoking sucks.

Üser Friendly
15th June 13, 03:44 AM
The keeedz!

Having alcohol logos associated with teams and sports events must influence young consumers, and give the message that alcohol is 'sporty'. We have a severe problem with youth alcolism here in the RoI, and with the likes of Guines sponsering the biggest domestic sports events I realy think the wrong message is being sent out

France has a similar ban, so the Heiniken Cup for rugby there is called the H cup

Spade: The Real Snake
15th June 13, 07:34 AM
We have a severe problem with youth alcolism (alcoholism?) here in the RoI
WHAT????

NoBowie
15th June 13, 08:52 AM
So alcohol ads cause alcoholism?

Don't buy that. Countries that are less uptight about sex and alcohol culturally seem to have less problems surrounding those areas.

Here in the U.S. with the prudes teen pregnancy and drinking are rampant.

Repress something and you make it a way for kids to rebel.

Kids should have their first sip of wine at home at the dinner table, alcohol shouldn't be this big bad thing.

Üser Friendly
15th June 13, 09:40 AM
I don't think advertising alcohol causes alcoholism, but it does normalise it


Don't buy that. Countries that are less uptight about sex and alcohol culturally seem to have less problems surrounding those areas.

What countries do you mean?

I agree with the notion that represion often has the exact opposite effect to that intended, but I am not advocating repression, only removing it from the sports arena. Sports are very often the only way many men and boys can 'legitimatly' display emotion. To have it so tied up with alcohol is unhealthy

You have to ask yourself why do companys spend out so much sponsering sports teams and events? I'm guessing it's because they get a return. Fair enough, but who pays for the clean up?

Spade: The Real Snake
15th June 13, 10:17 AM
So alcohol ads cause alcoholism?

No, what the studies are saying is that proliferation of tying alcohol with *insert activity here* normalizes the associate of the activity of drinking with the activity being sponsored.

Fans will with the reflective glimmer of the sport with themselves and see themselves as more part of the activity by immersing in all brands of the sport.

The mind of a person whom would do this isn't necessarily the mind of a person whom will do anything in moderation...such as an adolescent or an adult with the mentality of an adolescent. Like Doofa.

Cullion
15th June 13, 10:54 AM
Don't buy that. Countries that are less uptight about sex and alcohol culturally seem to have less problems surrounding those areas.

Ah, liberal myth no. 243.

Üser Friendly
15th June 13, 11:09 AM
...such as an adolescent or an adult with the mentality of an adolescent. Like Doofa.

I HATE YOU!

AAAAAA
15th June 13, 02:06 PM
I agree it's a cultural thing foremost, and if you don't have it you won't get it just by banning alcohol ads. But it's true that the powerful emotional mix is exactly what the sponsors want.

What NoB describes as "introduction to alcohol" is what happens here and alcoholism is quite less pervasive than in northern Europe, at least the binge drinking bit.

Cullion
15th June 13, 03:25 PM
Alcoholism rates are higher in France and Portugal than many of the northern/germanic countries, and they introduce their young to alcohol in the way you describe. Conversely, Islamic countries tend to have extremely low alcoholism and death from alcohol rates. The Freudian idea that repressing something turns it into a kind of forbidden fruit that people will binge on doesn't always match up with reality, but it tends to be trotted out as a stale truism when people want to support liberalisation of some vice or other.

The main difference between countries like France, and countries like Sweden or England, is that people tend to drink in family settings at home rather than going out in packs of their own age groups to bars, so they don't have the same problems with groups of drunk twenty-somethings getting into brawls or vomiting in public.

Drinking too much over a prolonged period, to cause depression, or liver or heart problems is something that happens in the mediterranean cultures just as often, and in some cases more often, though.

I'll be clear though, I don't think alcohol should be restricted any more than I think tobacco or marijuana or coffee should be restricted, because I think adults have a right to do things that involve personal risk even if they're risks I choose not to take. However, I won't kid myself with pop psychology that restricting things always makes them more prevalent.

NoBowie
15th June 13, 04:05 PM
I don't think there are any first world governments that need to put more restrictions on the populace.

I guess I grew up without alcohol and managed to avoid it, but I had tons of friends in my little puritanical farm town that hit the sauce hard as soon as they had a little teen independence.

Restricting sports alcohol ads won't do squat for that. The causes are cultural / societal that start in the home.

There are countries where alcohol is mostly illegal, I am sure that makes a big dent in consumption, but when you read the list they aren't exactly heavy tourist countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_alcohol_prohibition

Cullion
15th June 13, 04:34 PM
There are lots of muslim countries where alcohol consumption is legal (even though it's often taken off sale during Ramadan, and they have stricter laws against being a drunken nuisance in public).

It depends whether you present alcohol as a desirable thing that you must avoid because it's sinful, or a disgusting poison.

In a lot of islamic cultures, it's presented as the latter, so even when drug abuse of other forms like marijuana or opium is rife (as in afghanistan, or egypt) people don't tend to get into alcohol, for much the same reason that you don't see muslims gorging themselves on bacon. They don't see it as forbidden fruit, they've just been raised to think it's gross.

I'm guessing that the people you grew up with who drank like mad as soon as they could, had always seen alcohol as a desirable thing that was forbidden?

AAAAAA
15th June 13, 04:54 PM
However, I won't kid myself with pop psychology that restricting things always makes them more prevalent.

It does drive them more "underground" by definition though, and that does have a part in abuse especially at a young age.

Cullion
15th June 13, 05:06 PM
It does drive them more "underground" by definition though, and that does have a part in abuse especially at a young age.

No, not necessarily. Do you think suppressing the urge to kill makes murder more common ?

It depends how you put something down. There's a big difference between making something illegal because 'it's wicked fun but sinful' and teaching people that it's just disgusting.

Üser Friendly
15th June 13, 05:51 PM
I am all for freedom to consume any drug one chooses

The link between tobacco historically and alcohol now and sport seems torun contrary to the ideals and culture of health and fitness that sports promote


Apart from darts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHnBppccI0o


Since all tobbaco advertising was banned, the tobbaco companies are still making handsome profits. I'd like to see an end to alcohol advertising as well

AAAAAA
15th June 13, 06:05 PM
No, not necessarily. Do you think suppressing the urge to kill makes murder more common ?

It depends how you put something down. There's a big difference between making something illegal because 'it's wicked fun but sinful' and teaching people that it's just disgusting.

It's probably easier to teach that murder is disgusting than alcohol is, though.

Cullion
15th June 13, 06:38 PM
It's probably easier to teach that murder is disgusting than alcohol is, though.

Not really, just walk through a British town centre on a Friday night stone cold sober. It's revolting. The worst thing? The state the women get themselves into.

NoBowie
15th June 13, 08:10 PM
Thinking about what should be associated with sports, what about sex?

All of them scantilly clad women.

I feel in my teenage community the appeal of alcohol was much more related to the forbidden part than the desirable part.

It was getting away with something.

My favorite park to make out in was was the one closed at night. Was it nicer or a better spot for said activities? Nope.

Should alcohol be allowed at sporting events at all? What aboit the label on the bottle?

What effect will pulling the ad money have on the teams?

AAAAAA
15th June 13, 08:35 PM
Not really, just walk through a British town centre on a Friday night stone cold sober. It's revolting. The worst thing? The state the women get themselves into.

Yes, especially the girls, I've seen some weird shit there.

Cullion
16th June 13, 04:06 AM
I feel in my teenage community the appeal of alcohol was much more related to the forbidden part than the desirable part.

It was getting away with something.

Do you think sternly forbidding the eating of poop would have the same effect ?

Üser Friendly
16th June 13, 05:06 AM
Bring back tobbaco sponsership I say

Feryk
18th June 13, 03:32 PM
So alcohol ads cause alcoholism?

Don't buy that. Countries that are less uptight about sex and alcohol culturally seem to have less problems surrounding those areas.

Here in the U.S. with the prudes teen pregnancy and drinking are rampant.

Repress something and you make it a way for kids to rebel.

Kids should have their first sip of wine at home at the dinner table, alcohol shouldn't be this big bad thing.

By this logic, teenage girls should have their first sex at home? You're kidding, right?

NoBowie
18th June 13, 03:34 PM
By this logic, teenage girls should have their first sex at home? You're kidding, right?

No, better at home in their bedroom with condoms supplied by parents than unprotected in a car in the park.

Feryk
18th June 13, 03:36 PM
Your daughters are better off.

NoBowie
18th June 13, 03:41 PM
Your daughters are better off.
I only have one. She misses me the most of my Canadian residing children.

Feryk
18th June 13, 03:51 PM
Because she still thinks you are a father to her. Girls especially need their Dads to be their moral compass when they are younger. They might rebel, but as long as you aren't an asshole, they won't hate you. If you give her nothing to rebel against, she'll find SOMETHING, and it will be more extreme than you will want.

billy sol hurok
18th June 13, 04:15 PM
I think the direct approach is best:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/J_A_M_photos/fun_zpse321d5c3.jpg

Üser Friendly
3rd February 15, 01:53 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-drafts-new-laws-to-set-out-a-minimum-price-for-alcohol-660768.html

Progressive or protectionist?

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd February 15, 01:58 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-drafts-new-laws-to-set-out-a-minimum-price-for-alcohol-660768.html

Progressive or protectionist?
They are just trying to force the angry, lonely drunk into the pubs for a bit of a constitutional, some fresh air and fellowship of his fellow fucking alkies.

Üser Friendly
3rd February 15, 02:01 PM
They are just trying to force the angry, lonely drunk into the pubs for a bit of a constitutional, some fresh air and fellowship of his fellow fucking alkies.

Misery does love company

Drink driving laws, and more impotantly the enforcement of them has done more to empty the pubs trhan price of alcohol

Harpy
4th February 15, 05:17 PM
Our cricket team is sponsored by KFC.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th February 15, 05:53 PM
Our cricket team is sponsored by KFC.
Racial makeup of Cricket team, plz.
Purely for Sociological purposes, mind you.

Harpy
4th February 15, 06:15 PM
https://cricketforever24x7.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/295469_10151371032449313_834539781_n.jpg

Spade: The Real Snake
4th February 15, 06:49 PM
So....Ghey gingers are trying to be "urban" or "ironic" or what??

Harpy
4th February 15, 06:50 PM
We had a Muslim cricketer in Australia who declined wearing the team shirt till the sponsorship logo of VB Lager was removed on his jersey. It was done just for him.

It wasn't a sponsorship requirement to drink the beer.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th February 15, 06:52 PM
Scratch that.
You guys are the world's fattest nation on earth.
They are giving their fans what they want.

NoBowie
4th February 15, 06:53 PM
Scratch that.
You guys are the world's fattest nation on earth.
They are giving their fans what they want.

They give out Tim-Tams during the match?

Spade: The Real Snake
4th February 15, 06:55 PM
We had a Muslim cricketer in Australia who declined wearing the team shirt till the sponsorship logo of VB Lager was removed on his jersey. It was done just for him.

It wasn't a sponsorship requirement to drink the beer.

The Lulxzlsly has entered a sponsorship deal with the bakeries that makes Sarar Lee and Entenmann's pastries.

She will be wearing this shirt (http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2014/08/bimbo.jpg) whenever she posts.

NoBowie
27th March 15, 12:47 AM
Uh-oh, shut the fuck up, doof, your fears are unfounded:

"Study shows alcohol advertising has increased almost 400% since 1971 while per capita alcohol consumption has hardly changed, indicating "either no relationship or a weak one between advertising and aggregate category sales"
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02650487.2015.1019961?journalCode=rina20#abstract

Üser Friendly
27th March 15, 01:31 AM
It says the expenditure has risen by 400%, not the total amount and exposure of advertising

This could mean many things, like it is now 4x more expensive to advertise alcohol

This could be due to the restictions and bans in place

Are you suggesting that advertising is ineffectual NoB?

Feryk
27th March 15, 09:58 AM
NoB is suggesting that overall consumption doesn't necessarily change because individual brands are marketing themselves. It's not encouraging new buyers to the market, but it will sway existing drinkers to the brands in question.

Guinness has done a marvelous job of this, IMO.

Üser Friendly
27th March 15, 12:53 PM
I expect the kick backs to polititians (included in the advertising budget as 'lobbying') have risen, 'cause greedy

Üser Friendly
27th March 15, 12:56 PM
It's not encouraging new buyers to the market, but it will sway existing drinkers to the brands in question.

Oh but it is, only it is attracting new buyers at the same rate that old buyers are dieing (from schlerosis of the liver and stuff)

NoBowie
27th March 15, 12:57 PM
I expect some parents and groups waste government time on concerns such as alcohol advertising, 'cause stupid

Yup. Definitely so low on the priority list it shouldn't even be on government radar.

Üser Friendly
27th March 15, 01:01 PM
Unlike growing veg in front gardens

Feryk
27th March 15, 02:18 PM
Hey, that's a big issue at the city level. Just not a federal issue.

Right now my city is trying to figure out if our messed up bridge girders are fixable, or if they just going to leave it there and call it art.

NoBowie
11th December 15, 01:44 PM
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