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Harpy
10th December 12, 03:44 PM
Check in here and after Christmas everyone can explain themselves. I expect all ten of you to post.

NoBowie
10th December 12, 03:45 PM
Dammit Lily. I love you, but I really, really don't like this thread.

Umm... 83.3 kg?

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 03:48 PM
If you have a 'MERICAN tag you goddamn better not post in fucking kG.

NoBowie
10th December 12, 03:48 PM
If you have a 'MERICAN tag you goddamn better not post in fucking kG.

Dammit, my wife only has the scales in kg. Too lazy to google. 183.6 lbs.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 03:48 PM
and 198lb.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 03:49 PM
Dammit Lily. I love you, but I really, really don't like this thread.

Umm...18fat lbs?

Harpy
10th December 12, 03:50 PM
There will be NO bullying on this thread, please Snake.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 03:53 PM
There will be NO bullying on this thread, please Snake.
I'm not bullying.
I am Jiminy Cricket-ing in his ear as the office fills with gifts of cookies and candies and cakes and pies.

Harpy
10th December 12, 03:55 PM
Haven't you cracked 200lb with all those protein shakes you've been guzzling?

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 03:55 PM
http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/an/jiminy-cricket-0611-mdn.jpg
WHY IS HE STEALING THAT ENTIRE BOX OF SEE'S CANDY CLAIMING IT'S FOR "THE BULGARIAN'S PREGNANCY CRAVINGS", KNOWING HE IS GOING TO EAT THE ENTIRE THING ON HIS DRIVE HOME AND SHAMEFULLY TOSS THE EMPTY BOX AT A GAS STATION???

syberia
10th December 12, 03:55 PM
63.7kg's but, technically, I've already had a christmas, as some of our family comes up for an early one. There may or may have been cocktails and strawberries and ice cream invovled.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 03:56 PM
Haven't you cracked 200lb with all those protein shakes you've been guzzling?
http://mhsutton.me/files/2012/03/Picture64.png
HAVEN'T YOU?????

jubei33
10th December 12, 04:05 PM
178# I've put on about 6 in the last couple of weeks. Been busy, but its a new day and I can start bag and road work a little more frequently now.

Pie of Hate
10th December 12, 04:28 PM
About 76kg and I love it!


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AAAAAA
10th December 12, 04:29 PM
okay, there's a lot of food looming at the horizon... I could use some motivation.

85kg just checked.

Pie of Hate
10th December 12, 04:30 PM
and 89.8kg for those in the civilized world.




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Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 04:40 PM
http://elmundotech.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kh3d-ddd_pinnocchio.jpg

Pie of Hate
10th December 12, 05:13 PM
8752

Feryk
10th December 12, 05:35 PM
Awright, I guess I need to be held accountable, as I'm doing a shit job of making time for the gym.

254lbs. NoB, you are welcome.

NoBowie
10th December 12, 05:39 PM
Oh, wait a minute. I thought we were just doing penis weights. My full body weight is almost twice as much as my penis.

Feryk
10th December 12, 05:50 PM
I was going to say that I make you look thin by comparison, but you just fucked that up.

Harpy
10th December 12, 06:01 PM
I just used the scales at reception 57.8kg. As all fatties do, I have an excuse. I need to get my left ankle x-rayed before I can get back into it.

sybs - cocktails, ice cream and strawberries?! All sorts of awesome going on there. I might do the same when I have my friends over :)

Adouglasmhor
10th December 12, 06:09 PM
18st

NoBowie
10th December 12, 06:12 PM
18st

3.3 τάλαντον

Of course, that is the Attic/Euboic standard, not the Aeginetic standard.

Feryk
10th December 12, 06:12 PM
I just used the scales at reception 57.8kg. As all fatties do, I have an excuse. I need to get my left ankle x-rayed before I can get back into it.

sybs - cocktails, ice cream and strawberries?! All sorts of awesome going on there. I might do the same when I have my friends over :)

How tall are you?

Harpy
10th December 12, 06:16 PM
4'10"

It's not the number but body composition, I always liked this picture (5lb of fat vs muscle):
http://www.onemorebite-weightloss.com/images/fat-v-muscle.jpg

Feryk
10th December 12, 06:20 PM
I don't think that makes you fat. Especially if you are muscular.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 06:22 PM
57.8kg.

Well we know Resolve won't be dating you


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Feryk
10th December 12, 06:24 PM
She also has breasts, so that lets you out.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 06:25 PM
http://dublin.studenty.me/files/2012/10/bale.jpg




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Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 06:26 PM
She also has breasts, so that lets you out.

But they are respectable "B"s so GAME ON!


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Angry Mandrill
10th December 12, 06:27 PM
190 lbs

lily's 5'5". or 6'3". but not 4'10".

syberia
10th December 12, 06:27 PM
I just used the scales at reception 57.8kg. As all fatties do, I have an excuse. I need to get my left ankle x-rayed before I can get back into it.

Excuses!

Lol, seriously, tho, I don't think those are numbers to be concerned over. (Cos if they are, I, too, have to think of an excuse... Cake? Cakes an excuse, right?)


sybs - cocktails, ice cream and strawberries?! All sorts of awesome going on there. I might do the same when I have my friends over :)

I know, right?

Feryk
10th December 12, 06:28 PM
Cake is an excuse. Just ask him!

Harpy
10th December 12, 06:42 PM
Mandrill - devastating news. I'm 162.5cm tall and always rounded that to 5'5" but when I did the math it makes me 5'4". I look taller though, I swear I'm not a short ass.

Snake - I bench 45lb, does this mean I can date 8 year olds?

Feryk
10th December 12, 06:45 PM
Yes, if that's how you roll. Be sure to get Mom's permission first, though.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 06:52 PM
Snake - I bench 45lb, does this mean I can date 8 year olds?
hmm.

I'm not the pedjo authority on this board...I wonder whom could offer that opinion?

Harpy
10th December 12, 06:56 PM
I did have an 11-year old fan boy a few years ago at the dojo. I was 27 at the time and had to decline his many offers (once he worked up the courage) to have a movie date with him. His father was about 60. Anyways, he must be legal now at 16.

Feryk
10th December 12, 06:59 PM
That would be...disturbing.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 07:00 PM
I did have an 11-year old fan boy a few years ago at the dojo. I was 27 at the time and had to decline his many offers (once he worked up the courage) to have a movie date with him. His father was about 60. Anyways, he must be legal now at 16.
I will withhold commentary.

syberia
10th December 12, 07:04 PM
I'm going christman shopping today, my wallet will get lighter. That count?

Harpy
10th December 12, 07:09 PM
I'm going christman shopping today, my wallet will get lighter. That count?
Mwahahaha. 'Christ-Man' shopping? ;) I didn't realise resolve could be bought and heck yes, lighter wallet lighter you. Who cares about being skinny anyway, I just want to get back into weight lifting once I'm given the green light. Can't do power lifts as the moment.

syberia
10th December 12, 07:22 PM
Holy typo batman...

Harpy
10th December 12, 07:37 PM
I've quoted it so we can rib you about it...

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th December 12, 08:25 PM
174 lbs or 12 st 6 lbs or 79 Kg

5' 11" or 1.8 m

Harpy
10th December 12, 08:33 PM
Snake thinks you're a butterball (he thinks that about everyone) he's going to be disappointed.


Okay folks, from here on in until the New Year it's activity everyday followed by cake/pie/Tim Tams and spirits (no beer cuz fattening).

FickleFingerOfFate
10th December 12, 08:35 PM
6'0" - 280lbs.
I need to get back down around 250. Arthritis in my lower back stopped my training, but I still ate like I was. Now, I need to find a way to lose weight that doesn't irritate L4/L5.

Harpy
10th December 12, 08:38 PM
Ready to go vegetarian?

FickleFingerOfFate
10th December 12, 08:39 PM
NO!

Ima get me a treadmill, and some blowdemup movies!

Spade: The Real Snake
10th December 12, 09:25 PM
So Faustus is a bitch and not a butterball?

Meh


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resolve
10th December 12, 10:48 PM
6'3", 210.

I could lose 10 lbs. I don't like indulging in feasts either. I always feel horrible afterwards.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th December 12, 10:57 PM
6'0" - 280lbs.
I need to get back down around 250. Arthritis in my lower back stopped my training, but I still ate like I was. Now, I need to find a way to lose weight that doesn't irritate L4/L5.

Swimming?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th December 12, 11:00 PM
So Faustus is a bitch and not a butterball?

Meh

Nope just good diet & staying in shape. Never been one for bulking up.

Although injuries dont heal as quickly nowadays which makes staying in shape harder the older I get.

Pie of Hate
11th December 12, 09:59 AM
Cake is an excuse. Just ask him!

Its true!

Pie of Hate
11th December 12, 10:03 AM
8753

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Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 11:28 AM
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/NoB%20II/2012_lockout_019.jpg




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Pie of Hate
11th December 12, 11:37 AM
Points for effort but none for completing the task. Sorry pilgrim.

NoBowie
11th December 12, 11:52 AM
Points for effort but none for completing the task. Sorry pilgrim.

What? I get it just fine.

Pie of Hate
11th December 12, 11:57 AM
Victim of a post edit. The first attempt fell on its arse.

NoBowie
11th December 12, 11:59 AM
Victim of a post edit. The first attempt fell on its arse.
Intentions count on sociocide.

Pie of Hate
11th December 12, 11:59 AM
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NoBowie
11th December 12, 12:01 PM
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/NoB%20II/ripped-guy.jpg

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 12:52 PM
Too old to be that sculpted
Horsepower


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NoBowie
11th December 12, 01:01 PM
Too lazy to be that sculpted
<3 Horsepenor

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 01:06 PM
That's probably true


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Feryk
11th December 12, 01:51 PM
Guys, even the model isn't that sculpted most of the time. He's posing for a shoot.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 02:06 PM
Feryk tells himself the same thing about Val Kilmer


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Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th December 12, 04:44 PM
fHPhlF-AomM

Feryk
11th December 12, 04:51 PM
Feryk tells himself the same thing about Val Kilmer


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??? I don't get it.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 04:57 PM
http://lebeauleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/fat-val-kilmer.jpg?w=480


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Feryk
11th December 12, 05:33 PM
ohhhhhhh.....now I get it. That's not water weight, that's fucking baby on the way.

Harpy
11th December 12, 05:43 PM
Have you guys seen the BBC documentary about changing the way people think about exercise? It's probably old hat to many but the basic premise is:
1. National exercise guidelines are too generic (150 minutes moderate exercise or 75 minutes intense activity per week)
2. That our genetic make-up predetermines how we respond to exercise (supposedly 15% of the population are "super responders" and 20% are "non-responders")
3. Insulin resistance and VO2 max are strong indicators of longevity and good health and CAN be improved
4. HIIT protocol of 3x20 seconds bursts thrice a week would be sufficient to improve the above two markers DEPENDENT on your response type (I'm curious about this as I'm not sure how we mere mortals can get tested to find out. The doctor who underwent the trial for 4 weeks improved on insulin resistance by 24% but had no change to his VO2 Max because it was determined he was a "non-responder")

Diet wasn't brought up in the program and they did state that those who enjoy regular exercise and sport should not give it up based on the study findings.

Feryk
11th December 12, 05:47 PM
Have you guys seen the BBC documentary about changing the way people think about exercise? It's probably old hat to many but the basic premise is:
1. National exercise guidelines are too generic (150 minutes moderate exercise or 75 minutes intense activity per week)
2. That our genetic make-up predetermines how we respond to exercise (supposedly 15% of the population are "super responders" and 20% are "non-responders")
3. Insulin resistance and VO2 max are strong indicators of longevity and good health and CAN be improved
4. HIIT protocol of 3x20 seconds bursts thrice a week would be sufficient to improve the above two markers DEPENDENT on your response type (I'm curious about this as I'm not sure how we mere mortals can get tested to find out. The doctor who underwent the trial for 4 weeks improved on insulin resistance by 24% but had no change to his VO2 Max because it was determined he was a "non-responder")

Diet wasn't brought up in the program and they did state that those who enjoy regular exercise and sport should not give it up based on the study findings.

Link? Not familiar with this at all.

Adouglasmhor
11th December 12, 05:49 PM
It was possibly a Horizon documentary - the one on fasting and diet was interesting too.

Adouglasmhor
11th December 12, 05:51 PM
The Truth About Exercise
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cywtq
The Truth About Fat
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dzfgb

FickleFingerOfFate
11th December 12, 05:55 PM
Swimming?

This has merit. I need to look into my opportunities for pool time.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th December 12, 06:01 PM
Its very easy on the lower back & you can still get a good workout.

FickleFingerOfFate
11th December 12, 06:03 PM
I sincerely appreciate the idea.

I hadn't thought of it.

syberia
11th December 12, 06:13 PM
Its very easy on the lower back & you can still get a good workout.

Also easier on the knees (provided you're not a breastroker - yes haha, i said breast), and provides resistance to movement which improves strength, even if you're not working too hard. :)

^^ swim teacher...

My biggest problem with working out atm is motivation. I'm not training regularly at the moment either, because I've had commitments and stuff, and motivating myself to go for runs etc is difficult.
I'm moving soon, and I'm hoping that I can instill better habits with the change of scenery.

Feryk
11th December 12, 06:21 PM
Pretty much the same for me. I have to change that and make it a regular part of my routine again.

Harpy
11th December 12, 06:37 PM
Thanks for providing the link dougie :) I was typing one handed on my iphone and working, must not multi-task!

Harpy
11th December 12, 06:41 PM
How can FFF NOT be motivated by the prospect of swimming lessons from
sybs??

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 06:50 PM
He doesn't date girls over 125lbs, either


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syberia
11th December 12, 06:58 PM
He doesn't date girls over 125lbs, either.

D:

Harpy
11th December 12, 07:05 PM
sybs + Lily is still less than FFF.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 07:08 PM
I'm bowing out, now


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Harpy
11th December 12, 07:10 PM
Don't! You keep promising me you're going to get to 205lb, prove it scrawny.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 07:31 PM
I just meant before I say something crass
Now the boy decided he wants to run cross country and is making me run 2 miles in the AM

Although I did give the yoga girls a little eye candy today


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NoBowie
11th December 12, 07:45 PM
I'm bowing out, now

No snake, NO!!!!!

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/1355272998507.png

Harpy
11th December 12, 09:10 PM
I missed out on eye candy. Noooooooo.

Cross-country is where you grow a spine. One of the best events out there. I used to be in a Harriers team as a tween and early teen in New Zealand, so much fun.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 09:50 PM
I missed out on eye candy. Noooooooo.
Be there on Thursday AM, toots.
I'll let you dab my sweat with a towel between rounds.


Cross-country is where you grow a spine. One of the best events out there. I used to be in a Harriers team as a tween and early teen in New Zealand, so much fun.
We also went to a pro indoor soccer game and he wants to be a pro indoor soccer player, now, too.

NoBowie
11th December 12, 10:19 PM
We also went to a pro indoor soccer game and he wants to be a pro indoor soccer player, now, too.

Dear god. Don't take him to Chippendales!

Spade: The Real Snake
11th December 12, 10:31 PM
Dear god. Don't take him to Chippendales!
m3tPqCJyJCk

AAAAAA
12th December 12, 03:39 AM
I got back into swimming to survive the next surfing trip, and as a rain- and cold-free alternative to winter running.

It works: you can decide how hard you're going to work --water will graciously resist more if you push more; and it's infinitely less boring than running.
also there's a concurrent aquagym lesson which provides uhh... distraction.

Key point is removing any scheduling excuses: find the pool closest to your place, not the best one; I go there at 8.30pm so few people on the road and in the water. With as little as 3 hours a week I'm having huge fitness and cardio improvements, and neck and shoulder stiffness from office work are MUCH better. Granted I never skip and I aim to finish exhausted every time but it works great anyways if you can just work it into your regular schedule.

For back problems you basically need to avoid breaststroke and concentrate on crawl and backstroke; just ask an instructor.

now GO!!

Spade: The Real Snake
12th December 12, 08:22 AM
6'0" - 280lbs.
I need to get back down around 250. Arthritis in my lower back stopped my training, but I still ate like I was. Now, I need to find a way to lose weight that doesn't irritate L4/L5.
HAZ U TRYD GRAPPLING YOU FAGGOT?
JUST GO DO TEH BJJ AND U CAN THANX ME LATER

Spade: The Real Snake
12th December 12, 08:26 AM
also there's a concurrent aquagym lesson which provides uhh... distraction.
Every so often, my boy wants to go to the gym with me cuz I promise to take him swimming after.
There is an aquaZumba class
.rrrrrr.


Key point is removing any scheduling excuses..... Granted I never skip.... just work it into your regular schedule.

That's the key. 100% That is the key. I am extremely routine oriented and I am almost OCD about keeping to my gym schedule....to the point that I was pissed it was closed on Thanksgiving and it fucked up my Thurs/Fri/Sat flow and needed to make it up on Fri/Sat/Sun.

Once you get in that groove, it just becomes second nature.

FickleFingerOfFate
12th December 12, 08:11 PM
HAZ U TRYD GRAPPLING YOU FAGGOT?
JUST GO DO TEH BJJ AND U CAN THANX ME LATER

U R RITE!
NOTHING BEETZ TYING EACH OTHER IN FAYG-NOTZ TO HELP WIT A BAD BAK!

nihilist
12th December 12, 09:17 PM
Does the smell of ripe asscrack help one forget about being a cripple?

Spade: The Real Snake
12th December 12, 09:20 PM
Does it ever hurt?


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OZZ
13th December 12, 05:39 PM
I've lost a few pounds since taking on this construction gig ..must be burning more calories monkeying up and down scaffolding all day.
194 lbs
And handsome as ever.

OZZ
13th December 12, 05:54 PM
Although I must admit, working full tilt like this has majorly altered my gym schedule.
I only go on Saturdays or Sundays now. So once a week is it unless I take days off.
Apparently the site is closing down from the 22nd to the 2nd this year...so I plan to make the most of that week and a half by going every other day.
2-3 hour workouts are usually the norm for me, one hour of bag work and light sparring,sometimes forms and conditioning, an hour and half on weights with a twenty minute swim afterwards followed by 15 in the sauna. I am not used to just popping into the gym and going straight to the weights for a quick 40 minute workout and then leaving - but I may have to start doing things this way over the winter. Because even though I am using my muscles and stretching out a fair bit through work, while probably getting stronger in the back and shoulders, my definition is probably suffering when it comes to things like triceps, or abs.
Time is a bit of an issue, and most days I'm just too damn tired to go to the gym after 6pm. In addition, its too damn crowded in the evening and I hate that.
I was actually supposed to resume ft training with the short fist crew this year, but that would be impossible during the week because the workouts are too intense and I wouldn't want to go back and putz out on the club. So I just go on Saturdays once in a while to help the young guys with applying the fighting techniques from our sets into their sparring.
I used to hate it when guys would 'be excused' from the regular workout regimen for this or that reason, but still consider themselves a club member. Fuck that..if you can't go 100% - go home.

Spade: The Real Snake
17th December 12, 05:02 PM
Well Fatties. XMAS is only about a week away. Who has been stuffing their stockings?

Adouglasmhor
17th December 12, 06:15 PM
I have dropped 2" of my waist in the last month.

Spade: The Real Snake
17th December 12, 06:19 PM
Turn around. I think we found it.

AAAAAA
17th December 12, 06:46 PM
Well Fatties. XMAS is only about a week away. Who has been stuffing their stockings?

I had an awesome dinner saturday night, and puked it as-is four hours later. Mixing drinks is the answer, screw that nutrition and exercise thing.

billy sol hurok
21st December 12, 08:09 PM
http://www.retronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/1318.jpg

nihilist
21st December 12, 08:14 PM
http://www.retronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/1318.jpg

Hey, where'd the third bottle go?

FickleFingerOfFate
21st December 12, 08:58 PM
She's hiding it.

It's in a place NoB would never think to look.

Spade: The Real Snake
21st December 12, 09:03 PM
The union foreman's trunk


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nihilist
21st December 12, 09:13 PM
In his wife's eye?

Spade: The Real Snake
21st December 12, 10:03 PM
The 10 cow pool?


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nihilist
22nd December 12, 03:34 AM
Did she hide it in the room with the exercise equipment?

Harpy
22nd December 12, 04:39 AM
Whilst in the car today my boy was checking out a woman jogging and just avoiding knocking herself out with her heaving bosom. Her twins were flinging about in a mad figure eight in a loose t-shirt and he looked at me with pity while I tried to explain she was ruining her boobs by not wearing an appropriate sports bra.

Adouglasmhor
22nd December 12, 05:13 AM
Whilst in the car today my boy was checking out a woman jogging and just avoiding knocking herself out with her heaving bosom. Her twins were flinging about in a mad figure eight in a loose t-shirt and he looked at me with pity while I tried to explain she was ruining her boobs by not wearing an appropriate sports bra.

While you were explaining could you not have taken a picture to ilustrate where she was going wrong to us here?

Harpy
22nd December 12, 07:31 AM
Haha...you guys are fixated!

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd December 12, 07:56 AM
Whilst in the car today my boy was checking out a woman jogging and just avoiding knocking herself out with her heaving bosom. Her twins were flinging about in a mad figure eight in a loose t-shirt and he looked at me with pity while I tried to explain she was ruining her boobs by not wearing an appropriate sports bra.

You just don't understand that he wants to start his hormone therapy and go under the knife.

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd December 12, 09:00 AM
he looked at me with pity
The funny part is that you think the pity was about the nonsense you were saying.


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OZZ
22nd December 12, 10:38 AM
We usually binge on expensive cheeses and pricier alcohol this time of year. Also things like hors'd'oeuvres, spanikopita, veggie platters etc.
Which reminds me I need to get out and get myself a good bottle of scotch.

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd December 12, 11:20 AM
Lulxzy is getting some +2s for Xmas


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Cullion
22nd December 12, 11:34 AM
Lily, can we for once just not have some boring fucking mindless goal based on enduring self-denial for the sake of your way past sell-by date teenage body dysmorphia. How about an intellectual or erotic goal ?

Robot Jesus
22nd December 12, 03:46 PM
242 lb
6'2

I've been fatter, but gym hitting will resume tomorrow.

at least I hate turkey.

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd December 12, 05:26 PM
Lily, can we for once just not have some boring fucking mindless goal based on enduring self-denial for the sake of your way past sell-by date teenage body dysmorphia. How about an intellectual or erotic goal ?
Wow. That's harsh, and bear in mind who's saying that.

nihilist
22nd December 12, 06:10 PM
Wow.

Harpy
22nd December 12, 06:49 PM
Cullion gets me.

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd December 12, 06:55 PM
I'm not disagreeing, mind you.

Cullion
22nd December 12, 07:01 PM
I am going to learn to speak Spanish in 2013, whilst eating whatever I want.

Harpy
22nd December 12, 07:14 PM
I'm going to walk the Great Wall in Feb and brush up on my basic Mandarin. I already eat what I want :)

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd December 12, 08:08 PM
Don't forget your +2s


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Harpy
22nd December 12, 08:13 PM
What are +2s??

FickleFingerOfFate
22nd December 12, 08:34 PM
I'm going to find a new way to work out my frustrations.

I'm seriously thinking about finding a Tai Chi program.

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd December 12, 09:20 PM
Judo is cheap and easy to find at the Y


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FickleFingerOfFate
22nd December 12, 09:54 PM
I did Judo for a couple of years.
It was not lower back friendly.

Spade: The Real Snake
23rd December 12, 09:43 AM
I did Judo for a couple of years.
It was not lower back friendly.
Lose some weight and save your Tori's back

FickleFingerOfFate
23rd December 12, 04:22 PM
Even at a good weight for my size, an equal tori is hard to find. Uke are everywhere.

Ideally for my build, I would be between 230 and 240.

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd December 12, 04:52 PM
I'm going to add learning Latin to my list of things to do in 2013. The Latin I've picked up on the street isn't cutting it.

Cullion
23rd December 12, 04:58 PM
I'm going to find a new way to work out my frustrations.

I'm seriously thinking about finding a Tai Chi program.

Are you looking for health Tai Chi, or Martial Tai Chi?

FickleFingerOfFate
23rd December 12, 10:24 PM
Are you looking for health Tai Chi, or Martial Tai Chi?

I was hoping to start with the health version.
If it helped then migrate to the Business end of the art.

Spade: The Real Snake
24th December 12, 12:30 AM
There isn't enough silk in china...


Sent by telekinesis via Cerebro

Harpy
24th December 12, 04:22 AM
Come on now, judgement-free zone!

Steve
24th December 12, 05:11 AM
Come on now, judgement-free zone!

I'm surprised you can talk with your mouth full.

nihilist
24th December 12, 05:13 AM
That's not the end she speaks from.

Harpy
24th December 12, 05:48 AM
Steve - I eat hands-free, straight from a bowl. You don't need
to check in on this thread, you're eternally svelte and youthful. Peter Pan!

Cullion
24th December 12, 06:08 AM
I was hoping to start with the health version.
If it helped then migrate to the Business end of the art.

You've got an injury you're looking for help with ?

nihilist
24th December 12, 06:28 AM
Steve - I eat hands-free, straight from a bowl. You don't need
to check in on this thread, you're eternally svelte and youthful. Peter Pan!

It's called a trough.

FickleFingerOfFate
24th December 12, 07:57 AM
You've got an injury you're looking for help with ?


I have arthritis in L4 and L5 vertebrates. I need t keep mobility up, but try not to finish destroying the herniated disc between them.

Spade: The Real Snake
24th December 12, 08:40 AM
You're eternally svelte and youthful. Peter Pan!

meaning NoB hits him in his peter with a pan.
eternally.

Spade: The Real Snake
24th December 12, 08:41 AM
Come on now, judgement-free zone!

I didn't make a judgement, I stated an empirical fact.

NoBowie
24th December 12, 10:43 AM
The Latin I've picked up on the street isn't cutting it.

Street Latin is much better, believe me.

The Latin I have learned in the dojo just doesn't cut it in the real world.

AAAAAA
24th December 12, 11:32 AM
Would you learn latin as a form of intellectual exercise, or do you have something specific in mind that you'd like to read in original?
If you like to solve puzzles it's its own reward though.

NoBowie
25th December 12, 10:33 AM
Pretend every cake you encounter today says this:

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/VlWxWl.jpg

Cullion
25th December 12, 02:02 PM
Would you learn latin as a form of intellectual exercise, or do you have something specific in mind that you'd like to read in original?
If you like to solve puzzles it's its own reward though.

I've always believed that a degree of fluency in Latin was an essential tool for any up-and-coming satanic coven leader.

I plan to try and start learning the grammar a few years from now when my daughter starts it at school.

Harpy
25th December 12, 07:20 PM
I did Latin for three years in high school. Took out the annual prize every yeart was great in that context as I could apply it as another layer of understanding across all my subjects. Worthless otherwise as I barely recall anything sixteen years on, you've got to seriously study every day as it's not a language you can apply coversationally.

Xmas confessions - I ate half a box of Guylian praline chocolates over two days. However worked out twice daily and stuck to low-fat, high protein vegetarian meals. Oh, had some Cheezels at the office partay last Friday. I got a tray of these delicious Xmas mud-cake 'puddings' which I'll open when my aunt comes over later today for a cup of tea.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1UBw9KUb_Zc/Tgj-k0oBTGI/AAAAAAAABUI/-kFDjIgs3h4/s1600/guylian+chocolate+.jpg

NoBowie
25th December 12, 09:39 PM
I just did 20 minutes strength training on the elliptical. On Christmas day. I think my mental attitude towards exercise is shaping up.

Harpy
25th December 12, 09:52 PM
Do you wear a headband, leg-warmers and Muay Thai shorts?

NoBowie
25th December 12, 10:03 PM
Do you wear a headband, leg-warmers and Muay Thai shorts?

I will start. Right now I just wear boxer briefs. No shoes so my feet will toughen up.

Harpy
25th December 12, 10:04 PM
I need to start wearing underwear. I answered the doorbell full commando and the cold breeze nearly gave me away.

nihilist
25th December 12, 10:06 PM
Skank.

Harpy
25th December 12, 10:09 PM
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/joeuser75/9172054/34424/34424_640.jpg

nihilist
25th December 12, 10:12 PM
Looks like he urinated after smelling your muffin.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 07:48 AM
I just did 20 minutes strength training on the elliptical. On Christmas day. I think my mental attitude towards exercise is shaping up.

Here, let me help:

That's just one round you fucking fairy and if it's an elliptical, it isn't fucking "strength training" it's "cardio" despite what the fags at Dick's Sporting Goods tells you.

And if you are doing this at home, then you aren't allowing yourself to judge/be judged by others at the gym, which forces you to crush plateaus.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 07:49 AM
Oh, and Merry XMAS

Cullion
26th December 12, 08:43 AM
Here, let me help:

That's just one round you fucking fairy and if it's an elliptical, it isn't fucking "strength training" it's "cardio" despite what the fags at Dick's Sporting Goods tells you.

And if you are doing this at home, then you aren't allowing yourself to judge/be judged by others at the gym, which forces you to crush plateaus.

It's strength training if you're weak enough.

NoBowie
26th December 12, 08:44 AM
You guys are great. You should be drill instructors.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 09:55 AM
It's strength training if you're weak enough.

This is true.
Another benefit of "working from home"

NoBowie
26th December 12, 09:59 AM
This is true.
Another benefit of "working from home"

Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

FickleFingerOfFate
26th December 12, 10:05 AM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSQ4IgpEmCw7rV8-f8_5qeBeLQ0AmhWd5t_nlfTNmpJet5EnEWYdefihnF

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 10:11 AM
20 mins on elliptical = "I earned a DQ Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough Blizzard, with a half-scoop of protein powder"

Adouglasmhor
26th December 12, 10:12 AM
Here, let me help:

That's just one round you fucking fairy and if it's an elliptical, it isn't fucking "strength training" it's "cardio" despite what the fags at Dick's Sporting Goods tells you.

And if you are doing this at home, then you aren't allowing yourself to judge/be judged by others at the gym, which forces you to crush plateaus.
It's strength training if it's still in the box and you lift it up and down from the shelf in the garage for 20 minutes.

Cullion
26th December 12, 10:13 AM
Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

Which sister?

NoBowie
26th December 12, 10:14 AM
20 mins on elliptical = "I earned a DQ Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough Blizzard, with a half-scoop of protein powder"

Bullshit. You didn't convince me. Let me see your REAL war face.

NoBowie
26th December 12, 10:19 AM
DAMN IT ALL. It was one of you folks who told me to set it on strength training.

It has real high resistance.

What I do is run for 10 minutes, then the last 10 minutes or so I do 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off where I try to make my arms do all of the work. I concentrate on pushing the handle out and pulling it in with each arm. (My elliptical has those ski pole like thingies that connect to the resistance / weight mass and the leg sled thingies)

Maybe it only works for noodle arms, but my triceps, biceps, and pecs are sore the next day.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 10:26 AM
DAMN IT ALL. It was one of you folks who told me to set it on strength training.
It wasn't me.


It has real high resistance.

What I do is run for 10 minutes, then the last 10 minutes or so I do 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off where I try to make my arms do all of the work. I concentrate on pushing the handle out and pulling it in with each arm. (My elliptical has those ski pole like thingies that connect to the resistance / weight mass and the leg sled thingies)

I'm being rough with you because I don't want you to set yourself up to fail.
You are vain enough that you will plug away at this, 20 mins a pop, once or twice or maybe thrice a week for a couple months, not see any big change in your physique and then quit.



Maybe it only works for noodle arms, but my triceps, biceps, and pecs are sore the next day.
Do pushups.

NoBowie
26th December 12, 10:36 AM
You are vain enough that you will plug away at this, 20 mins a pop, once or twice or maybe thrice a week for a couple months, not see any big change in your physique and then quit.

Dammit. STAY OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 10:37 AM
you mus trayn ze zhoo zhitzu mai fren

AAAAAA
26th December 12, 11:01 AM
I've always believed that a degree of fluency in Latin was an essential tool for any up-and-coming satanic coven leader.


Ah indeed, throw in some aramaic too, great for shows and for when you need to name demons.



I plan to try and start learning the grammar a few years from now when my daughter starts it at school.

That's a great plan. Will she study it as a specific school address, or is it a common thing?

If you have a good grasp of sentence parsing ("logical analysis") you can then uhh... compute latin with desinence tables, dictionaries etc. I had a hard time until I found out my previous teachers had neglected that part.

AAAAAA
26th December 12, 11:12 AM
I did Latin for three years in high school. Took out the annual prize every yeart was great in that context as I could apply it as another layer of understanding across all my subjects. Worthless otherwise as I barely recall anything sixteen years on, you've got to seriously study every day as it's not a language you can apply coversationally.


You got prizes but don't remember anything? Hell, you should be able to recite those damned desinence tables until the day you're buried.

Cullion
26th December 12, 01:32 PM
Ah indeed, throw in some aramaic too, great for shows and for when you need to name demons.



That's a great plan. Will she study it as a specific school address, or is it a common thing?

If you have a good grasp of sentence parsing ("logical analysis") you can then uhh... compute latin with desinence tables, dictionaries etc. I had a hard time until I found out my previous teachers had neglected that part.

Latin and Greek are only taught at a minority of schools in the UK, usually expensive private schools. They didn't teach classics at the school I went to, but just by luck it's taught at the free school for the area we live in. I will try to learn by doing her homework with her.

Cullion
26th December 12, 01:35 PM
You got prizes but don't remember anything? Hell, you should be able to recite those damned desinence tables until the day you're buried.

People raised in English speaking countries tend to be taught foreign languages badly for some reason. In much of the world, it's quite normal for somebody to speak a couple of other languages beside their mother tongue. I've seen immigrants with modest amounts of formal schooling picking up enough English to hold down an entry level job in a matter of months.

For British people (and to some degree Australians and many Americans), that appears to be some kind of super-power. An English person who can actually hold a prolonged conversation in French and one or two other languages is practically accused of witchcraft.

Harpy
26th December 12, 02:31 PM
^ booyah. None of my friends born or raised here speak a second language fluently. Only the Europeans and specifically my Cantonese or Mandarin-speaking friends are the exceptions.

I haven't forgotten everything but in my higher education, field of work and life, Latin is useless. It was fun/dorky thinking we were extra special learning it at high school and it reminds me somewhat of music lessons. All that drilling and repetition has got to be good for overall exam preparation across subjects but other than possibly forcing my neural pathways to make extra connections to get better marks, I have no use for it.

lant3rn
26th December 12, 02:55 PM
if you dont use it you loose it, i used to be completely fluid in french but i rarely get to use it anymore. So when i get the chance to use it now i find myself forgetting a few nouns and conjugating a few verbs incorrectly.

but i lost 2 pounds over the holidays so now im 188 (6'2''); workouts dont take a holiday, and i lerned chopping wood for a wood fire stove is an excellent workout.

Harpy
26th December 12, 03:06 PM
Nice work on your health lantern!

I know Japanese for the dojo and Italian for music, so specific uses where there are direct and rich applications tend to stick for me.

NoBowie
26th December 12, 03:09 PM
I know Japanese for the dojo and Italian for music, so specific uses where there are direct and rich applications tend to stick for me.

Se ti dicessi che hai un bel corpo, lo stringeresti sul mio?

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 03:12 PM
Si prega di alzare i miei bambini, perch non riesco.

Harpy
26th December 12, 03:23 PM
I think we need an Italian crash course thread. Signore creativo?

NoBowie
26th December 12, 03:26 PM
Si prega di alzare i miei bambini, perch non riesco.

Your child is too fat to lift?

Harpy
26th December 12, 03:30 PM
Plural, children.

NoBowie
26th December 12, 03:31 PM
Plural, children.

Your children is too fat to lift? That isn't grammatically correct.

Harpy
26th December 12, 03:39 PM
Si. Monsignor Snake Frocio e ritardo.

NoBowie
26th December 12, 03:40 PM
Si. Monsignor Snake Frocio e ritardo.

Snake will be delayed? Where to? Hopefully not the asylum! He needs to be committed, pronto.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 03:51 PM
Si prega di alzare i miei bambini, perch non riesco. (http://translation.babylon.com/italian/to-english/)

Spade: The Real Snake
26th December 12, 03:51 PM
Si. Monsignor Snake Frocio e ritardo.

I'm a queer and a delay?

NoBowie
26th December 12, 04:01 PM
Lui gentilmente mi perquisito, poi mi ha fatto togliere le mutandine e roba nella mia casella.

AAAAAA
26th December 12, 08:27 PM
Lily, OF COURSE latin is useless, in the same way scales are useless to learn playing piano...

its importance lies in the fact that you're going to learn a lot of logical thinking and breaking down sentences to their atomic significance (is this an actual word?), and that very exercise is priceless in education as a whole. That's what I found out much later, so I'm happy about having to learn it somewhat.

It's like doing cardio for your brain. No, better, it's maximal strength training.

If you're not surrounded by latin inscriptions on walls and have no interest in history and art history of course I can see how it becomes just a geeky pastime. I agree with the "neural pathways" thing, but I disagree with your assessment of its usefulness. I think it's very useful to force a teenager to translate latin. That'll teach them!

AAAAAA
26th December 12, 08:54 PM
People raised in English speaking countries tend to be taught foreign languages badly for some reason. In much of the world, it's quite normal for somebody to speak a couple of other languages beside their mother tongue. I've seen immigrants with modest amounts of formal schooling picking up enough English to hold down an entry level job in a matter of months.

For British people (and to some degree Australians and many Americans), that appears to be some kind of super-power. An English person who can actually hold a prolonged conversation in French and one or two other languages is practically accused of witchcraft.

English is an odd beast in my experience, as its grammar is extremely straightforward and the exceptions are sparse and well defined, but there are heaps of peculiar words and phrasal constructs that just need knowing about them. So I can see how it can be hard to learn other languages, which usually have complex grammars and byzantine exceptions (compared to English). You do have a lot of words that would be translated with a full sentence in other languages. This makes for a perfect technical language.
It rules the business and technical world indeed and it's fine by me, I'd rather say "baseline" than "livello base di riferimento" or "niveau de rfrence" or "nivel base de referencia" (provided I got the right meaning).

And while I'm no expert at it, I got the idea that your specific phonetics are very inflexible and rule out a wide range of sounds that are common in other languages which are more faithful to their written form. Learning a decent English (or American) pronunciation for neolatin languages speakers is more about taking away than adding up. English opera singers have a hard time adapting to the different phonetics; Scandinavians seem to have less trouble, for instance.

The best advice I ever got about American English pronunciation was "You need to stop moving your mouth". Like a ventriloquist speech.

AAAAAA
26th December 12, 08:57 PM
Oh and we don't "raise" our children, we "grow" them

Cullion
26th December 12, 09:11 PM
English has high linguistic redundancy, so you can make many, many mistakes and still be understood (as opposed to languages like Mandarin Chinese were I'm told that relatively small mispronunciations can render a whole sentence unintelligible).

Its greatest weakness is that there is massive divergence between how many things are spelled, and how they are pronounced (especially in British English), and I think this makes it harder than it needs to be for British children to learn to read and write.

I agree with you about the simplicity of our grammar. I can remember learning lists of conjugations of French verbs and being bored out of my mind.

Compare conjugation of 'to be' in English (was, is, am, are. that's all you need) with 'Etre' in French (I'm not even going to paste it here, it's too big. follow this link to a large table http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/verbs/table/%EAtre.html). What a waste of fucking time!

Remembering the 'gender' of things like motorcycles and trees? Ridiculous. Those things don't have genders.

AAAAAA
26th December 12, 09:19 PM
English has high linguistic redundancy, so you can make many, many mistakes and still be understood (as opposed to languages like Mandarin Chinese were I'm told that relatively small mispronunciations can render a whole sentence unintelligible).

It's greatest weakness is that there is massive divergence between how many things are spelled, and how they are pronounced (especially in British English), and I think this makes it harder than it needs to be for British children to learn to read and write.

Yeah, you have to focus on spelling a lot I suppose, and you can immediately spot the illiterates. Neolatin languages are much more injective in spelling -> pronunciation.

This makes for a funny divide where we can't pronounce English because we "read too much" in the written form, while you skip whole syllables to our ears in neolatin languages.

AAAAAA
27th December 12, 08:26 AM
I agree with you about the simplicity of our grammar. I can remember learning lists of conjugations of French verbs and being bored out of my mind.

Compare conjugation of 'to be' in English (was, is, am, are. that's all you need) with 'Etre' in French (I'm not even going to paste it here, it's too big. follow this link to a large table http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/verbs/table/%EAtre.html). What a waste of fucking time!


We are baffled when we find out that you basically don't conjugate your verbs, then thrilled because it's so damn easy. There are upsides and downsides though, you need more words (albeit shorter in syllables). Or I could say it's absurd that you don't distinguish singular and plural "you" for instance. Just use "ME" and "NOT ME" and be done with it since you're at it! (NoB approves I'd wager)



Remembering the 'gender' of things like motorcycles and trees? Ridiculous. Those things don't have genders.

Says who? You are missing out on the animistic beauty of the world!
It's even worse when the gender changes between languages. "Sea" is male in italian but female in french; "honey" is male in italian and french, but female in spanish etc...
Germans have neutral case too.

Those verbal conjugations de-evolved from latin; if you think that's boring, prepare to be absolutely destroyed by boredom when you'll need to know the gender (male, female or neutral), the declension, the logical case and the ever lurking "special case" just to know how to write a goddamned single word, or translate it. Remember the awesome Monty Python sketch?

One of latin's peculiarities though is its potential for being extremely laconic yet unambiguous, thanks to its tight information packing. It's very rewarding when you get to untangle a three words sentence and make it a whole paragraph in your language.

Cullion
27th December 12, 08:55 AM
We are baffled when we find out that you basically don't conjugate your verbs, then thrilled because it's so damn easy. There are upsides and downsides though, you need more words (albeit shorter in syllables). Or I could say it's absurd that you don't distinguish singular and plural "you" for instance. Just use "ME" and "NOT ME" and be done with it since you're at it! (NoB approves I'd wager)

We used to make these kind of distinctions with words like 'ye', 'thou' and 'thee' that you'll find in Shakespearean dialogue, but those words are only rarely used by English speakers today (sometimes still used in some regional dialects in the north). Basically we stopped doing it in the 17 century. If I'm speaking to a group of people and I want to use 'you' to refer to an individual then I'm going to use non-verbal cues like gaze or pointing, or referring to the person by name.

Our language is only partly Latin, it's also Germanic.

And no but really, inanimate objects don't have genders! Sure, people can make up a gender for their car, or their teddy-bear, but that's a personal (and extremely childlike) thing, it doesn't make any sense to have a single gender that everybody must apply to all cars codified in the grammar of the language.

Although it's traditional for us to refer to ships as female, just to provide the necessary exception that proves the rule.

billy sol hurok
27th December 12, 09:23 AM
Some of our Italian-Americans use "youse" for second-person plural (pronounced "yewz"); our Southerners have the benefit of "you-all" or "y'all"; there's a Pittsburgh dialect that uses "yins."

AAAAAA
27th December 12, 09:44 AM
We used to make these kind of distinctions with words like 'ye', 'thou' and 'thee' that you'll find in Shakespearean dialogue, but those words are only rarely used by English speakers today (sometimes still used in some regional dialects in the north). Basically we stopped doing it in the 17 century.


Too bad! I like those words.


If I'm speaking to a group of people and I want to use 'you' to refer to an individual then I'm going to use non-verbal cues like gaze or pointing, or referring to the person by name.


Yes, I understand you developed clever workarounds for that problem. You crafty Britons.



Our language is only partly Latin, it's also Germanic.


Go tell that to ze Germans with their declensions and triple genders!
No wonder wars erupt.



And no but really, inanimate objects don't have genders! Sure, people can make up a gender for their car, or their teddy-bear, but that's a personal (and extremely childlike) thing, it doesn't make any sense to have a single gender that everybody must apply to all cars codified in the grammar of the language.

Languages don't make sense otherwise we should be speaking C with strict typechecking...

Gender for non-people adds another layer of distinction to the world, arbitrary but interesting. We end up associating feminine traits with feminine nouns I guess, giving a "flavour" to things, and the rule can sometimes be broken for creative use ("you're a male sow"), as the gender usually depends only on the final letter of the noun. Of course there are many, many exceptions.

Feminists are still angry at neolatin languages. Counterculture gender-equality-conscious texts use neologisms like "tutti/e" or "tutt*" for "everybody" since the usual form implies a public of all males. I find that both amusing and thought provoking.

AAAAAA
27th December 12, 10:03 AM
Some of our Italian-Americans use "youse" for second-person plural (pronounced "yewz"); our Southerners have the benefit of "you-all" or "y'all"; there's a Pittsburgh dialect that uses "yins."



Oh yes I can understand the urge to make it plural. It just doesn't sound right to use the very same word. And the lack of honorifics, that's confusing too. Sounds rude to call a stranger "you".

We use female third person to address somebody we aren't intimate with. As in, "could she help me with drafting a program?" talking to your new bodybuilding instructor. I think it's a placeholder for "her person", it's her because "person" is female.

Syntactical Disruptorize
27th December 12, 10:56 AM
Some of our Italian-Americans use "youse" for second-person plural (pronounced "yewz"); our Southerners have the benefit of "you-all" or "y'all"; there's a Pittsburgh dialect that uses "yins."
In some parts of Texas, "y'all" is singular, "all o' y'all" is plural.

nihilist
27th December 12, 11:31 AM
You'ns is used in Alabama as well. "You'ns be good now."

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 12:37 PM
Remembering the 'gender' of things like motorcycles and trees? Ridiculous. Those things don't have genders.

Trees can have gender, Holly almost always has,there are other dioecious trees.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 12:43 PM
Some of our Italian-Americans use "youse" for second-person plural (pronounced "yewz"); our Southerners have the benefit of "you-all" or "y'all"; there's a Pittsburgh dialect that uses "yins."

Illiterate Scots and Northern Englanders use "youse" (youse are female sheep) Scots sometimes use "you all", Geordies and Yorkies sometimes use "you 'uns".

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 12:46 PM
"Ye" was pronounced "Thee" the Y is Thorn not Y.

Cullion
27th December 12, 01:22 PM
NOM OBJ POSS

1st singular I Me My (or mine)
plural We Us Our (or ours)

2nd singular Thou Thee Thy (or thine)
plural Ye You Your (or yours)

3rd singular He/She/It Him/Her/It His/Hers/Its
plural They Them Their (or theirs)

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 02:19 PM
Ye is an abbreviation of Thee, it's thorn , no one ever said Ye with a Y sound until people started using it to be Olde Worlde. I trust Steven Fry more than you.
http://lyrics.wikia.com/Dan_Le_Sac_Vs_Scroobius_Pip:Thou_Shalt_Always_Kill

Cullion
27th December 12, 02:22 PM
Stephen Fry is not always right.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/thou.html

"Exodus 4:15, "THOU shalt speak ... I will be with THY mouth...and will teach YOU what YE shall do."

This demonstrates the use of Ye as a nominative plural.

NoBowie
27th December 12, 02:22 PM
My cousin got her Masters degree in linguistics.

Worked for Expedia for a little while.

Then she got knocked up 3 times by her husband. She is a stay at home mom.

Both her and her husband have very chubby cheeks.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 02:23 PM
Middle and Early Modern English

The modern digraph th began to grow in popularity during the 14th century; at the same time, the shape of thorn grew less distinctive, with the letter losing its ascender (becoming similar in appearance to the old wynn (Ƿ, ƿ), which had fallen out of use by 1300) and, in some hands, such as that of the scribe of the unique mid-15th century manuscript of The Boke of Margery Kempe, ultimately becoming indistinguishable from the letter Y. By this stage th was predominant, however, and the usage of thorn was largely restricted to certain common words and abbreviations. In William Caxton's pioneering printed English, it is rare except in an abbreviated the, written with a thorn and a superscript E. This was the longest-lived usage, though the substitution of Y for thorn soon became ubiquitous, leading to the common 'ye' as in 'Ye Olde Curiositie Shoppe'. One major reason for this is that Y existed in the printer's type fonts that were imported from Germany or Italy, and thorn did not. The first printing of the King James Version of the Bible in 1611 used the Y form of thorn with a superscript E in places such as Job 1:9, John 15:1, and Romans 15:29. It also used a similar form with a superscript T, which was an abbreviated that, in places such as 2 Corinthians 13:7. All were replaced in later printings by the or that, respectively.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 02:24 PM
Stephen Fry is not always right.

Thee and Ye are used in the same sentence in the King James bible.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/thou.html

Or your website is wrong, or a typesetter forgot the new convention.

Cullion
27th December 12, 02:26 PM
The authors of king james bible used 'ye' incorrectly according to its common understanding at the time ? I don't believe you.

NoBowie
27th December 12, 02:27 PM
God rest ye merry Gentlemen,
Let nothing you dismay,
The roots of words don't matter,
and arguing is gay.

Cullion
27th December 12, 02:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English_personal_pronouns

ee and ȝe / ye are not the same thing.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 02:29 PM
Authors are not typesetters/printers thou hast found ye olde typoe.

Cullion
27th December 12, 03:59 PM
It's not a typo, it's you confusing ee and ȝe.

NoBowie
27th December 12, 04:24 PM
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/NoB%20II/desk.jpg

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 04:44 PM
Middle and Early Modern English

The modern digraph th began to grow in popularity during the 14th century; at the same time, the shape of thorn grew less distinctive, with the letter losing its ascender (becoming similar in appearance to the old wynn (Ƿ, ƿ), which had fallen out of use by 1300) and, in some hands, such as that of the scribe of the unique mid-15th century manuscript of The Boke of Margery Kempe, ultimately becoming indistinguishable from the letter Y. By this stage th was predominant, however, and the usage of thorn was largely restricted to certain common words and abbreviations. In William Caxton's pioneering printed English, it is rare except in an abbreviated the, written with a thorn and a superscript E. This was the longest-lived usage, though the substitution of Y for thorn soon became ubiquitous, leading to the common 'ye' as in 'Ye Olde Curiositie Shoppe'. One major reason for this is that Y existed in the printer's type fonts that were imported from Germany or Italy, and thorn did not. The first printing of the King James Version of the Bible in 1611 used the Y form of thorn with a superscript E in places such as Job 1:9, John 15:1, and Romans 15:29. It also used a similar form with a superscript T, which was an abbreviated that, in places such as 2 Corinthians 13:7. All were replaced in later printings by the or that, respectively.
Abbreviations

The following were abbreviations during Middle and Early Modern English using the letter thorn:

ME ye.png (e) a Middle English abbreviation for the word the
ME that.png (t) a Middle English abbreviation for the word that
ME thou.png (u) a rare Middle English abbreviation for the word thou (which was written early on as u or ou)
(ys) an Early Modern English abbreviation for the word this
EME ye.svg (ye) an Early Modern English abbreviation for the word the
EME that.svg (yt) an Early Modern English abbreviation for the word that

An example of the last vestige of the letter thorn in the English language.
Modern English

Thorn in the form of a "Y" survives to this day in pseudo-archaic usages, particularly the stock prefix "Ye olde". The definite article spelled with "Y" for thorn is often jocularly or mistakenly pronounced /jiː/ or mistaken for the archaic nominative case of the second person plural familiar, "ye".

A handwritten form of thorn that was similar to the letter "y" in appearance with a small "e" written above it as an abbreviation for "the" was common in early Modern English. This can still be seen in reprints of the 1611 edition of the King James Version of the Bible in places such as Romans 15:29, or in the Mayflower Compact. The word was never pronounced with a "y" sound, even when so written.

So if you are using Wikipedia as a source, what now?

Cullion
27th December 12, 04:47 PM
What are you using a source? It's just copypasta. My copypasta is backed up by the usage examples of the King James Bible, which was authored by some of the foremost English-speaking scholars of the age.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 05:01 PM
What are you using a source? It's just copypasta. My copypasta is backed up by the usage examples of the King James Bible, which was authored by some of the foremost English-speaking scholars of the age.

That's the one where they translated the Greek word for poisoner as witch, right? Well they really set a high standard.

Cullion
27th December 12, 05:04 PM
We're discussing their knowledge of contemporary English, not Greek. They chose English words according to the meaning they wanted to convey and which would have been well understood at the time. Again, what reason do you have for accepting the authority of your own source over the King James Bible's use of English ?

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 05:31 PM
So why doesn't the revised edition have the same wording? It's a typesetting short cut, nothing more, and romanticized at some point into what you now believe it was.

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Cullion
27th December 12, 05:34 PM
So why doesn't the revised edition have the same wording? It's a typesetting short cut, nothing more, and romanticized at some point into what you now believe it was.


It's not, because as I've already shown you Ye as used in the KJV, is a shortcut for something different (with a different meaning) to what you think it's a shortcut for. It's quite possible that other people have used Ye incorrectly, but that categorically does not mean that Ye actually means the same as Thee, and there are multiple sources showing this.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 06:01 PM
Are there?

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Cullion
27th December 12, 06:18 PM
Yes there are.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 06:40 PM
Well I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion and good on you for sticking to it.

Cullion
27th December 12, 06:57 PM
http://www.cummingsstudyguides.net/xThou.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/thou.html

http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/bacon-theethou.html

http://www.kjv-only.com/theethou.html

http://www.bereanresearchinstitute.com/02_Bible_Versions/BV.0007_Personal_Pronouns_-_Thee_Thou_Ye_You_Thy_Thine_etc.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080610014636AAsaTRR

http://workmenforchrist.org/Bible/Versions/Ye_Thee.html

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3329/difference-between-thee-and-thou

http://unenlightenedenglish.com/2009/07/thou-thee-thy-thine-ye-shakespearean-english

Ye is a second person plural.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 07:10 PM
Still unconvinced but open to being proven wrong. One of your links claims it was more than obsolete by the time of the KJV1 but used for clarity.

Cullion
27th December 12, 07:12 PM
Yes, it fell out of use, that's why we don't use it now. But everybody there agrees that it was a second-person plural.

'Ye olde cheese shop' would not be a correct use of it, and would be a sign of using Y to represent the unprinted thorn, as you suggest.

However, 'Ye art a den of vipers', would be an example of correct use of the archaic second-person plural pronoun.

Ye can be a misprint of a different word ('the' as in modern 'the'), but it existed as a word in it's own right and with a different meaning. Thee is not a synonym for this Ye, Thee is an informal singular pronoun, rather like the French 'tu'.

This Ye has a direct modern equivalent in the American "y'all" and it's variants.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 07:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMGUPSgRCQ

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 07:22 PM
I see where I may be going wrong.

Cullion
27th December 12, 07:25 PM
Yes, you're getting confused about a common mistake with a different word.

Thorn-e as in 'the old shop' can be misprinted as 'ye old shop'. This is the common error you were pointing out, but it doesn't concern personal pronouns.

Yogh-e as in 'ye art a den of vipers' is not a misprint.

Adouglasmhor
27th December 12, 07:27 PM
OK I was wrong. It happened once before when I thought I had made a mistake and I hadn't.

Adouglasmhor
28th December 12, 02:24 AM
My cousin is a cunning linguist

Adouglasmhor
28th December 12, 02:27 AM
Yes, you're getting confused about a common mistake with a different word.

Thorn-e as in 'the old shop' can be misprinted as 'ye old shop'. This is the common error you were pointing out, but it doesn't concern personal pronouns.

Yogh-e as in 'ye art a den of vipers' is not a misprint.
Yogh is in a lot of Scottish names - in the middle of a word it becomes a soft g as in names like Menzies (John Menzies, Menzies Campbell) which is pronounced Mingus. Anyway thanks for the work you put in on that I do appreciate it.

Cullion
28th December 12, 05:17 AM
2013 is the year I care about languages.

AAAAAA
28th December 12, 05:51 AM
2013 is the year I care about languages.

About time!

Harpy
28th December 12, 06:24 AM
I see Cull and Creativo as mods of our new Language forum, possibly with Snake coming in as a guest-lecturer for 'Spanish for employment'.

Let's do this!

OZZ
29th December 12, 10:33 AM
2013 is the year I care about languages.

2013 is the year of the CHARGER , baby !

8789

WOOOO !!

Going to Kitchener to look at it today.

Spade: The Real Snake
29th December 12, 10:53 AM
Try to not stain the seat

OZZ
29th December 12, 11:07 PM
Salesman rubbed me the wrong way..fuck him.
Its unfortunate because the car ran like a dream and was in good shape. But I don't like it when these car salesmen are evasive and play hardball.
There are lots of Chargers out there at around the same price. That balding goof can take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut.

nihilist
30th December 12, 01:40 AM
Car salesmen are all crooks.Buy from a private party and make sure they have ALL their service records and have the car checked at a reputable shop.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th December 12, 07:37 AM
You need to get two salesmen playing off one another.
Walk away from baldy and find another salesman and say, within earshot, something along the lines of, "WTF is up with that bald fucker. YOU seem OK, let's talk about this car"

NoBowie
30th December 12, 09:28 AM
Snake is right. Get another sales guy or a manager.

OZZ
30th December 12, 09:45 AM
This is a non-commissioned group..so it likely wouldn't matter.
" We sell a hundred cars a month, even in the winter ! Nope..we don't budge on the price."
Alright fine, fuck you.
I didn't like the vibe of the place anyways.
Its not like this model is hard to find for a decent price, Dodge Chargers are everywhere.

OZZ
30th December 12, 09:47 AM
Car salesmen are all crooks.Buy from a private party and make sure they have ALL their service records and have the car checked at a reputable shop.

This is the same thing my buddy has been saying..but the wife feels the opposite way and thinks private sales are to be avoided.
I don't care either way as long as I can see the service record.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th December 12, 10:49 AM
This is a non-commissioned group..
So they pretty much no incentive to sell?
Yeah, roll on

nihilist
30th December 12, 01:01 PM
This is the same thing my buddy has been saying..but the wife feels the opposite way and thinks private sales are to be avoided.
I don't care either way as long as I can see the service record.

Pretend you have some balls.