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MEGA JESUS-SAMA
31st July 12, 06:18 AM
I hear a bunch of Canadians are raising a fuss about the War of 1812 because it's the 200th anniversary. So I thought I'd point out that you didn't win that war. But don't get mad! I looked up some other wars you guys fought in. And like, you didn't exactly "win" any of them, but you were on the winning side in both World Wars! Congratulations!

I couldn't remember what your national anthem was so here's the American one.

Vvy0wRLD5s8

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
31st July 12, 07:11 AM
You're right the British won.

Spade: The Real Snake
31st July 12, 09:24 AM
You're right the British won.
Obviously, which is why we celebrated the Queen's Ju.....oh, wait.

Feryk
31st July 12, 11:16 AM
You were beat back across the border. Seems the British were well fed up with your colony by then.

Lollius Urbicus
31st July 12, 01:22 PM
1812? We were busy fighting the French in 1812.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
31st July 12, 01:27 PM
Yes and after they got the boot (get it eh?) we went and drove the rebelious colonials back to their hovels and burnt down Washington for a laugh.

Robot Jesus
31st July 12, 01:44 PM
don't forget the Canadian heroin who brought ice cream and chocolates to the troops on the front lines.

Feryk
31st July 12, 03:02 PM
For our American friends, since your history books are a little light on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord

Interesting that you guys talk about famous defeats like Custer's Last Stand, but don't discuss the Battle of Beaver Dams, or the fact that it's the only time anyone invaded Washington - and burned the White House to the ground.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
31st July 12, 08:02 PM
except that its covered in american history textbooks you beaver banger

Adouglasmhor
1st August 12, 01:01 AM
Mind you you did make better relations with your oldest allies the French, how did that work out for you?

OZZ
1st August 12, 05:33 AM
I hear a bunch of Canadians are raising a fuss about the War of 1812 because it's the 200th anniversary. So I thought I'd point out that you didn't win that war. But don't get mad! I looked up some other wars you guys fought in. And like, you didn't exactly "win" any of them, but you were on the winning side in both World Wars! Congratulations!

I couldn't remember what your national anthem was so here's the American one.

Vvy0wRLD5s8

Well, one thing is for certain..and that is that the USA - LOST !
Oh, and unlike you guys, Canadians were in the thick of things from the outset of both world wars. We didn't jump in once we were assured of being on the winning side, like America.

OZZ
1st August 12, 05:38 AM
Mind you you did make better relations with your oldest allies the French, how did that work out for you?

lol
Having the French for an ally is like having that effeminate, flamboyant cousin who shows up at X-Mas dinner every year.
You can't get rid of him because he's a part of your extended family, but you're ashamed to be at the same table with him.

Syntactical Disruptorize
1st August 12, 05:41 AM
Yeah, Britain won so many wars in the 19th and 20th centuries, they managed to fight their way from first- to second-rank status among nations. Meanwhile, the US, with its bold "wait and see" strategy in two world wars, went up to the first rank.

This is why it confuses me when people who claim to have the US's best interest in mind advocate that it get into more wars. The trick is to make everyone else have the war, wait until a clear winner emerges, sweep in to "save" them, and grab everything that isn't nailed down.

We need less military intervention and more trolling other suckers into beating each other bloody.

I humbly nominate myself as the US Secretary of Trolling.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st August 12, 05:53 AM
lol
Having the French for an ally is like having that effeminate, flamboyant cousin who shows up at X-Mas dinner every year.
You can't get rid of him because he's a part of your extended family, but you're ashamed to be at the same table with him.

there's nothing wrong with the french and nothing wrong with sissy boys but there is something wrong with you
you are super duper mean

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st August 12, 05:54 AM
thuper duper*

OZZ
1st August 12, 06:09 AM
there's nothing wrong with the french and nothing wrong with sissy boys but there is something wrong with you
you are super duper mean

The only good things to come out of France the last 100 years are savate and various types of pastry.
Mind you, I've never watched french porn..that might be good.

Syntactical Disruptorize
1st August 12, 06:13 AM
The only good things to come out of France the last 100 years are savate and various types of pastry.Escoffier.

OZZ
1st August 12, 06:18 AM
Albert Camus.

Syntactical Disruptorize
1st August 12, 06:20 AM
Truffaut. Godard. Bardot.

Commodore Pipes
1st August 12, 10:23 AM
The only good things to come out of France the last 100 years are savate and various types of pastry.
Mind you, I've never watched french porn..that might be good.

Beautiful Agony was started by two frenchmen, I believe. And it is the greatest porn - healing porn, even.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 12, 10:27 AM
Brie

AAAAAA
1st August 12, 10:44 AM
Brie

That's about 1000 years old! (that's why it has such a strong flavour)

Escoffier is overrated.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 12, 11:09 AM
Port Salut

Syntactical Disruptorize
1st August 12, 11:11 AM
Escoffier is overrated.He was a major step forward at the time. His ideas have been improved upon since, but we owe a large debt to him.

KO'd N DOA
1st August 12, 11:30 AM
Lots of 1812 sites near me. I'll take some pics.

Adouglasmhor
1st August 12, 11:41 AM
The only good things to come out of France the last 100 years are savate and various types of pastry.
Mind you, I've never watched french porn..that might be good.

Even more scat involved than German porn.

Adouglasmhor
1st August 12, 11:49 AM
Port Salut
Rochefort

Feryk
1st August 12, 12:23 PM
As much as I love the thread drift into French scat porn, I find in amusing that no one wants to talk about how the Brits burned the WHITE HOUSE down.

AFAIK, no one else has ever been able to do that.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 12, 12:26 PM
Usually hate blue cheese but once when I was washing dishes for a living some guy sent back a sterion steak with Rochefort melted over it (apparently he wanted green pepper corn sauce) so I ate it. It remains the one & only time I actually liked anything with blue cheese.

I`ve tried it since and even the smell of it makes me want to puke.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 12, 12:28 PM
As much as I love the thread drift into French scat porn, I find in amusing that no one wants to talk about how the Brits burned the WHITE HOUSE down.

AFAIK, no one else has ever been able to do that.

I`m happy to talk about it :-D

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 12:32 PM
As much as I love the thread drift into French scat porn, I find in amusing that no one wants to talk about how the Brits burned the WHITE HOUSE down.

AFAIK, no one else has ever been able to do that......SINCE.
They got us when we were white belts.

Let's see them try and pull that shit, now.

Feryk
1st August 12, 12:34 PM
I seriously doubt that Britain makes your top ten for threat assessment.

What is your terror alert level right now, anyways?

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 12:38 PM
I seriously doubt that Britain makes your top ten for threat assessment.
Bitchez learned if you poke the wolf with a stick, you get the fang and claw.


What is your terror alert level right now, anyways?
We are always at Terror Alert Orange, cuz that's how we roll.

Feryk
1st August 12, 12:43 PM
Well, that, and they are like your closest ALLY next to us.

However, your nuclear aircraft carriers do show a certain amount of committment.

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 12:48 PM
I was watching a movie last night, which is referred to as "Top Gun in Canada".

Oh, wait.....such a thing does not exist.......




nevermind.

Feryk
1st August 12, 12:53 PM
You mean like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Flag

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 12:57 PM
Interesting.





I didn't know you could put training wheels on a jet.

Feryk
1st August 12, 12:59 PM
Just the ones we bought from you :)

In actuality thought, CFB Cold Lake is pretty impressive by Canadian standards. They can manufacture almost any part of an F-16 on base with the machinery they have.

Syntactical Disruptorize
1st August 12, 01:01 PM
AFAIK, no one else has ever been able to do that.8606

Feryk
1st August 12, 01:04 PM
If anyone can...get fes to help you.

Commodore Pipes
1st August 12, 01:07 PM
I am rather fond of the War of 1812. It has largely escaped the bullshit mythmaking that plagues conventional notions of the AWI, and it reminds me of the sort of crazy, haphazard guerilla warfare of the Seven Years' War (F&I). I mean, pirates, dude! Not to mention it was sort of an ugly period in our own history, following closely on the heels of Aaron Burr's attempt to establish his own kingdom in the West and our horrid domestic policy toward Indians. It's a lot more interesting than people let on. And yeah, we lost, if by lost you mean we forced the largest power on Earth to recognize our sovereingty... again.

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 01:12 PM
fugg'n Napoleon

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 12, 01:31 PM
I think the fact that the US stopped the formation of an independant Indian nation as a result of the 1812 war should be a cause of national disgrace.

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 01:34 PM
I think the fact that the US stopped the formation of an independant Indian nation as a result of the 1812 war should be a cause of national disgrace.
Every tribe has their own independent sovereign nations, funded by the taxpayers of the United States.

Commodore Pipes
1st August 12, 01:39 PM
I think the fact that the US stopped the formation of an independant Indian nation as a result of the 1812 war should be a cause of national disgrace.

I think our historical attitude toward original Americans is generally disgraceful, but I don't see how the US was responsible for keeping Britain's promises to a threatening satellite state.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
1st August 12, 02:08 PM
You might want to ask yourself why they were a threatening state in the first place?

Commodore Pipes
1st August 12, 02:11 PM
You might want to ask yourself why they were a threatening state in the first place?

In part, because Britain cultivated them to be so after the AWI. I don't really disagree, I just think it is a distinction worth making. it's hardly the worst thing that either the British* or the Americans did to the Indian.


*This depends on how you view pre-AWI lords and loyalists.

Lollius Urbicus
1st August 12, 02:30 PM
Max in the game of 'Whose country most mistreated native peoples' I'm not sure we're going to do terribly well.

Robot Jesus
1st August 12, 03:14 PM
how many native vineyards are in the United states?

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 03:58 PM
how many native vineyards are in the United states?

there are a couple in NorCal and (I think) one or two in upstate and another one somewhere along the Eastern Seaboard, but vineyards aren't really my area of expertise, why?

usually they partake in the squeezin's instead of crafting them.


Max in the game of 'Whose country most mistreated native peoples' I'm not sure we're going to do terribly well.

Well we tried to treat them as well as you guys treated the Eastern Indians. And Aborigines. And Africans. And West Indians. And.....well, you get the point.

Feryk
1st August 12, 05:10 PM
You mean the point that the European nations have done more jackboot thuggery of native populations around the world than any other culture? Yep. Good point.

Spade: The Real Snake
1st August 12, 05:35 PM
You mean the point that the European nations have done more jackboot thuggery of native populations around the world than any other culture? Yep. Good point.
Give us time!!!!
We can still subjugate them!!!!!
WE JUST DIDN'T TRY HARD ENUFF!!!!!!!

Feryk
2nd August 12, 10:26 AM
You taught them how to run Casinos.

You are doomed.

Commodore Pipes
2nd August 12, 10:29 AM
You taught them how to run Casinos.



Have we?

Feryk
2nd August 12, 10:42 AM
Haven't you?

Commodore Pipes
2nd August 12, 11:33 AM
They own them, but I am not sure how much management is done in the tribe.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd August 12, 12:04 PM
Many of them farm-out management to proven gaming corporations, which keep a slice but, in many of the casinos, a huge slice of jack makes its way back to tribal members registered on the roll.

'Course, this doesn't affect the Gubbermint Munny.......

Feryk
2nd August 12, 12:27 PM
Nor should it. You owe them that money, Snake, for shit your great great grandpappy did to their great great grandpappy.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd August 12, 12:39 PM
Nor should it. You owe them that money, Snake, for shit your great great grandpappy did to their great great grandpappy.
If the tribal is fully solvent, we don't need to give them a yearly check or monthly benefits.

Feryk
2nd August 12, 12:43 PM
Yes you do, you rapacious piece of Eurotrash. You, your, your children's children and so on forever, or until you move out of the US and let the natives have it back.

Consider it rent.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd August 12, 12:46 PM
Yes you do, you rapacious piece of Eurotrash. You, your, your children's children and so on forever, or until you move out of the US and let the natives have it back.

Consider it rent.
They got smallpox blankets, firewater and beads.

Feryk
2nd August 12, 12:48 PM
All of which should make you feel GUILTY, Snake. Don't you see what atrocities your ancestors committed?

And you wonder why alcoholism and drug abuse are common on reserves today. If they could only run free with the buffalo like they once did...

You owe them.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd August 12, 01:17 PM
They run like buffalo up and down the basketball court.



or the Mazola corn-runner

Feryk
2nd August 12, 01:37 PM
Shame on you, paleface.

Robot Jesus
2nd August 12, 03:07 PM
It's a lot more interesting than people let on. And yeah, we lost, if by lost you mean we forced the largest power on Earth to recognize our sovereingty... again.



Britan recognized the sovereignty of the US and ended hostilities in 1783, 1812 was a fight you picked.

Commodore Pipes
2nd August 12, 03:12 PM
Britan recognized the sovereignty of the US and ended hostilities in 1783, 1812 was a fight you picked.
What? How dare you. No nation has the right to just pluck up the citizens of another and spirit them away. can you imagine such a world? Why, war is absolutely the corret response to such nonsense.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd August 12, 03:24 PM
I thought it was about Jefferson seeing an opportunity to grab more land whilst Britain was fighting off the frogs?

Feryk
2nd August 12, 03:26 PM
Jefferson just REALLY hated the British and wanted both sides of the St. Lawrence.

Commodore Pipes
3rd August 12, 06:16 AM
Anyway, even if the US had agreed to a neutral Indian nation to the west, it wouldn't have lasted. It would've suffered a series of civil wars among its constituent tribes - I mean, tribal politics today are pretty goddamn brutal. The only way I see to avoid that fate would be for the nation to be eventually taken over directly by the British, assuming the British would want to. I imagine as long as they could still get fur, they wouldn't really care.

OZZ
3rd August 12, 10:08 AM
Anyway, even if the US had agreed to a neutral Indian nation to the west, it wouldn't have lasted. It would've suffered a series of civil wars among its constituent tribes - I mean, tribal politics today are pretty goddamn brutal. The only way I see to avoid that fate would be for the nation to be eventually taken over directly by the British, assuming the British would want to. I imagine as long as they could still get fur, they wouldn't really care.

The fur market ain't what it used to be..
If I ever win millions and millions ( or , god forbid, earn it) I'm going to buy the Hudson's Bay corp. so its back in Canadian hands.
Selling that off was a national disgrace, in my opinion.

Feryk
3rd August 12, 01:19 PM
Find a way for it to not lose money, and I might join you.

Robot Jesus
3rd August 12, 01:30 PM
why not start your own department store, might actually get some useful insight out of MJS.

OZZ
3rd August 12, 04:29 PM
Find a way for it to not lose money, and I might join you.

I shop there, but only for clothes.
The Bay makes money when the economy is doing well.

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd August 12, 04:36 PM
I shop there, but only for clothes (http://mlblogsbensbiz.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/canadian20tuxedo200162.jpg).

Robot Jesus
4th August 12, 10:54 AM
d0PJfUpaKu8

resolve
8th August 12, 02:30 AM
My dad always gets ticked when you mention 1812 because to him it means he won't get to finish his geneaology research for an entire wing of our family tree.

The brits didn't just burn the white house down but the national archives too.

Feryk
8th August 12, 01:34 PM
They could've kept going, but they pulled back across the border and let you have Washington back.

Tell your dad to think about that when he's moaning about the National Archive.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th August 12, 01:47 PM
We just drug our feet a little during the WWII bombing of London.
Not on PURPOSE, mind you.......

Syntactical Disruptorize
8th August 12, 01:52 PM
We just drug our feet a little during the WWII bombing of London.
Not on PURPOSE, mind you.......Why wouldn't we? We catapulted ourselves to global domination in two world wars with one simple trick: Stay uncommitted until the last possible moment, get dragged in by aggression from the dumber side, then waffle-stomp them and take their stuff.

Feryk
8th August 12, 01:53 PM
Why wouldn't we? We catapulted ourselves to global domination in two world wars with one simple trick: Stay uncommitted until the last possible moment, get dragged in by aggression from the dumber side, then waffle-stomp them and take their stuff.

That's a considerably LESS romantic version of events than what is in your history books.

Syntactical Disruptorize
8th August 12, 02:03 PM
That's a considerably LESS romantic version of events than what is in your history books.To hell with romance. I want to steal more stuff.

A friend of mine is into tabletop wargaming in a big way, and he likes to play Russia in any World War II game. By using the gambit I described above, he winds up invading and beating everyone no later than 1946.

Robot Jesus
8th August 12, 02:51 PM
I once conquered almost all of Russia playing as japan, only able to pull it off because the guy playing Germany was a fool. once he was dealt with I couldn't really stand up to the allies.


The really sad part of this is that while I was playing that game this was happening and I had just reached the age of majority.

ijKt1f83_wA

OZZ
8th August 12, 05:06 PM
In my neck of the woods, the biggest hero from the War of 1812 is Tecumseh; since my city is a mere 80km from the site of the battle he was killed in.
He's a Canadian folk hero, but he was actually born down around Ohio somewhere.
The Brits couldn't have won the War of 1812 without their Native allies.

Feryk
8th August 12, 05:22 PM
Think about how bad the US had to be to cause the Brits, French, and Natives to band together to fuck you up.

That is not a natural alliance.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th August 12, 05:25 PM
Think about how badass the US had to be to need the Brits, French, and Natives to band together to fuck them up.

Commodore Pipes
8th August 12, 11:02 PM
The French and British weren't allies during the War of 1812. The Quebecois count as Canadian.

resolve
8th August 12, 11:32 PM
Of all the other buildings in DC they could've burned though... why burn the history down? That's just annoying to later generations, a la Library of Alexandria style.

Adouglasmhor
9th August 12, 12:56 AM
Of all the other buildings in DC they could've burned though... why burn the history down? That's just annoying to later generations, a la Library of Alexandria style.

And we will keep destroying your history till you start puting a "u" in words like colour etc.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2012/082012/08072012/717879

Actually the guy is a massive cock and I feel very sorry for his dad, who is a Falklands war hero and was my brigade commander at one time.

Feryk
9th August 12, 02:44 PM
The French and British weren't allies during the War of 1812. The Quebecois count as Canadian.They sure as hell don't now.

Robot Jesus
11th August 12, 12:27 AM
ever been to the plains of Abraham? School never taught the cliff was that steep.

Syntactical Disruptorize
11th August 12, 02:32 AM
Of all the other buildings in DC they could've burned though... why burn the history down? That's just annoying to later generations, a la Library of Alexandria style.Welcome to the Old Summer Palace Effect.

OZZ
11th August 12, 11:49 AM
ever been to the plains of Abraham? School never taught the cliff was that steep.

I was there a couple of years ago..
Its hard to imagine the Brits lugging a cannon up that cliff, but they did.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th August 12, 12:28 PM
I saw the movie "War Horse", the Brits likely didn't lug it

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
12th August 12, 06:37 PM
Thats right! Thats what we have the Polish for!

OZZ
13th August 12, 01:40 PM
I saw the movie "War Horse", the Brits likely didn't lug it

If I remember correctly, it was hoisted up by rope/chains.
When you stand and look down that cliff it seems like a pretty amazing feat, especially in the pitch dark.
They probably made the poor Natives do it.

Feryk
13th August 12, 02:04 PM
That's enough white man's guilt outta you.

Adouglasmhor
13th August 12, 03:27 PM
If I remember correctly, it was hoisted up by rope/chains.
When you stand and look down that cliff it seems like a pretty amazing feat, especially in the pitch dark.
They probably made the poor Natives do it.

British soldiers at that time were more or less indentured for 21 years - they would have got the buttfucks to do it.

Commodore Pipes
13th August 12, 03:44 PM
British soldiers at that time were more or less indentured for 21 years - they would have got the buttfucks to do it.

Yeah, the natives were needed to do the tracking and killing.

Adouglasmhor
13th August 12, 03:53 PM
Yeah, the natives were needed to do the tracking and killing.

Well they needed revenge against the oath-breakers who stole their land.

Feryk
20th August 12, 10:59 AM
Holy shit would it be funny if we turned the cannons on it now.

Spade: The Real Snake
20th August 12, 11:04 AM
Holy shit would it be funny if we turned the cannons on it now.
Canucklestan is too impotent to have a working cannon.

Your best line of defense against a 200 year old warship would be turning loose an army of beavers and pray the sailors don't make it ashore.

AAAAAA
20th August 12, 01:44 PM
Firing cannons, BOOM? That's all show and no go, come racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_Ships'_Races) it instead!

Spade: The Real Snake
20th August 12, 02:28 PM
Firing cannons, BOOM? That's all show and no go, come bravely run away, instead!

Adouglasmhor
20th August 12, 03:26 PM
they buit six ships the same as the constitution, this one the Chesapeake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_six_frigates_of_the_United_States_Navy#Ch esapeake) had its arse kicked twice.

The Chesapeake so bold, out of Boston we've been told,
Came to take the British frigate neat and handy-o,
All the people of the port, they came out to see the sport,
And the bands were playing Yankee Doodle dandy-o...

The British frigate's name, for which the purpose came,
Of cooling Yankee courage neat and handy-o,
Was the Shannon - Captain Broke,
All her crew were hearts of oak,
And at fighting their allowed to be the dandy-o...

Now before the fight begun, the Yankees with much fun,
Said they'd take the British frigate neat and handy-o,
And after that they'd dine,
treat their sweethearts all with wine,
And the band should play up 'Yankee Doodle dandy-o"...

Three cheers my brave men, Let your ardour bespeak,
And give them a taste of your cannon!
And soon they shall know that the proud Chesapeake,
Shall lower her flag to the Shannon...

No sooner had begun, than from their guns they run,
Though before they thought they worked 'em neat and handy-o,
Brave Broke he waved his sword, Crying "now my lads we'll board,
And we'll stop them playing Yankee Doodle Dandy-o"...

Brave Broke lead the way, But fell wounded and weak,
Yet exclaimed "They have run from their cannon!"
Three cheers my brave boys, the proud Chesapeake,
Has lowered her flag to the Shannon!

(Break)

We no sooner heard the word, then we all jumped aboard,
And tore down their colours neat and handy-o,
Notwithstanding all their brag, o'er the glorious British flag,
At the Yankee mizzen-peak it looked the dandy-o...

Brave Captain Broke, Though wounded and weak,
He survives to ply his cannon,
And his name from the shores of the wide Chesapeake,
Shall resound to the banks of the Shannon...

The Chesapeake so bold, out of Boston we've been told,
Came to take the British frigate neat and handy-o,
All the people of the port, they came out to see the sport,
And the bands were playing Yankee Doodle dandy-o...

Here's a health to Captain Broke and all true hearts of oak,
That took the Yankee frigate neat and handy-o,
And may we always prove, that in fighting and in love,
The true British sailor is the dandy-o...

(Break)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Shannon_(1806)

OZZ
20th August 12, 03:47 PM
YEAH BITCHES!!! She rides.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Egg_NoB/pb-120819-ussconstitution-cannon2photoblog900.jpg

USS Constitution sets sail again in Boston Harbor

The trip marked the day two centuries ago when the Constitution defeated the British frigate HMS Guerriere during the War of 1812. The Guerriere proved no match for the Constitution, which was heavier and longer. The vessels blasted away at each other at close range, even colliding at one point, during the 35-minute battle.


"I cannot think of a better way to honor those who fought in the war as well as celebrate Constitution's successes during the War of 1812 than for the ship to be under sail," Constitution Cmdr. Matt Bonner said in a statement.

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/19/13368356-uss-constitution-sets-sail-again-in-boston-harbor?lite

OMG lmao
:jerkit2yf:
Only the USA would be sufficiently arrogant and deluded enough about their place in world history to commemorate a war that they lost in such grand fashion - focusing their celebration upon a single naval encounter.
I suppose the American Gov't will soon be re writing the history books on that one too; and claiming they won, tied or granted mercy upon the British and left them alone.
What's next ? Are they going to burn down the White House and re build it to commemorate that ?
Only in America...dear lord in heaven, help us all.

Spade: The Real Snake
20th August 12, 04:25 PM
Leave the manly work to the States and just stick to trampoline-ing, faggot.

Vieux Normand
20th August 12, 06:56 PM
they buit six ships the same as the constitution...

Knew it: sooner or later somebody had to bring Star Trek into this.

Adouglasmhor
21st August 12, 01:19 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vieux Normand again.

Spade: The Real Snake
21st August 12, 11:16 AM
On Tonight's Episode of Real North American Heroes, Jason dares the USA to "bouncy-bounce as high as he does!"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hpgX-yqoglg/SKsacC8hqhI/AAAAAAAABig/fCX8kJISNiI/s400/jason+burnett+medal.jpg

KO'd N DOA
21st August 12, 03:26 PM
Your best line of defense against a 200 year old warship would be turning loose an army of beavers and pray the sailors don't make it ashore.

The first wave is upon you.

http://news.yahoo.com/rabid-beaver-attacks-ny-man-swimming-pa-river-115631669.html

Spade: The Real Snake
21st August 12, 04:29 PM
Oh its on, now CNUX!

KO'd N DOA
22nd August 12, 09:57 AM
Nice try.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/utah-student-held-in-canada-after-gun-found-at-border-crossing/article4490654/?service=mobile

OZZ
22nd August 12, 10:22 AM
What a joke..pleading ignorance before the law is so lame.
He's a liar.
You'd have to be a retard to think you could transport a gun across an international boundary and not inform the goons working the border crossing.

OZZ
22nd August 12, 10:27 AM
" I need a handgun to protect myself from wild animals "

lolz
Grab a fucking stick, you idiot.

OZZ
22nd August 12, 10:40 AM
You find examples of how precious our beloved game is to us every day..
A sample from today's news :
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/tie-domi-stops-sweden-filming-canada-practice-stealing-143200021--nhl.html

OZZ
22nd August 12, 10:57 AM
Seeing as how Canada has won the tournament 5 years straight, its no wonder the opposition is resorting to such measures.

OZZ
22nd August 12, 11:14 AM
Behold, yet another crime most likely perpetrated by a gun-toting American tourist :
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403497

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd August 12, 12:52 PM
Behold, yet another crime most likely perpetrated by a gun-toting American tourist :
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403497
In all fairness he stole a CNUX flag and worthless Stanley Cup banner.

If you Commies stocked less-course toilet paper, your flags would be untouched.

Adouglasmhor
22nd August 12, 01:51 PM
In all fairness he stole a CNUX flag and worthless Stanley Cup banner.

If you Commies stocked less-course toilet paper, your flags would be untouched.

Because non USA residents occasionally eat other foods than burgers and pizza we have some fibre in our diet, therefore piles are far less prevalent, so we don't notice the coarseness.

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd August 12, 02:47 PM
If u were to put gravy on everything, like a Canucklestanian, your bung might swing open like a barn door as well

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd August 12, 02:51 PM
" I need a handgun to protect myself from wild animals "

lolz
Grab a fucking stick, you idiot.
I hope you're joking, and if not, I hope you YouTube the results. Timothy Treadwell was a great disappointment in this regard.

OZZ
22nd August 12, 05:01 PM
Cy, I've backpacked and camped out in areas of the country inhabited by bears, bull moose, wolves, coyotes etc. and I've never felt the need to have a handgun.
I find the notion ridiculous, actually, as would 99.9% of Canadians.
This is what is different about Americans - you guys are so caught up in the idea that you need guns to 'protect ' yourselves that you cannot see the stupidity in the act of anyone other than a forest ranger carrying a handgun in a national park.
This particular gentleman was so worried about his safety in the wilderness that he felt the need to lie and attempt to smuggle a weapon across an international border ?
I can appreciate the notion of carrying a rifle on your back if you are deep in Polar Bear or Grizzly country. When I was snowmobiling around and fishing in the far north with my native pals, there was always a rifle at hand. But we also knew we would probably never have cause to use it.
And that was in the heart of bear, moose and timberwolf country, far from where this clown was arrested.
Attacks upon humans by wild animals are extremely rare and the idea that we all need handguns to protect ourselves is ludicrous.
Buy a can of bear spray for fuck's sake. if you are quick on the draw with a handgun, you can be quick on the draw with a can of bear spray.
You can't honestly tell me that you think it a good idea/ok for every person who goes out to Yellowstone park to pack a 9mm ?
My suggestion is if you are that deathly afraid of the wilderness that you feel the need to carry a handgun - stay home.
I'll be damned if I'm going to get my head blown off by some American tourist because I startle him on a mountain path up in Banff.

OZZ
22nd August 12, 05:08 PM
Tim Treadwell was stupid, btw.
He was so caught up in the idea that man could be 'one with nature ' that he forgot exactly what that notion entails.
He also stopped carrying bear spray several years before his death.
In that particular national park - he was the first person to be killed by a grizzly bear in over 85 years.

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd August 12, 05:08 PM
Cy, I've backpacked and camped out in areas of the country inhabited by bears, bull moose, wolves, coyotes etc. and I've never felt the need to have a handgun.Hurray for you. So have I. Kill the fucking lecture, fast.

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd August 12, 05:08 PM
Tim Treadwell was stupid, btw.Yes, and he's not the only one.

OZZ
22nd August 12, 05:14 PM
Hurray for you. So have I. Kill the fucking lecture, fast.

So you didn't feel the need to carry a handgun ? Or did you wet yourself when you realized you left it at home?

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd August 12, 05:15 PM
So you didn't feel the need to carry a handgun ? Or did you wet yourself when you realized you left it at home?Are you so illiterate that you think that's a response to what I said?

Your smugness is only exceeded by your ignorance.

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd August 12, 05:19 PM
Of course he didn't pack a handgun for wolfproofing. They just figured you guys would fall for it.

Adouglasmhor
23rd August 12, 12:56 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

That list tells me there are some dull fuckers about in bear country.

Also Nob knows a lot about Bears.

http://folsomstreetfair.org/images/homepage_slides/05Fol_1068.jpg

Spade: The Real Snake
23rd August 12, 07:59 AM
CuBNoB only rolls with Bearyk.

OZZ
23rd August 12, 10:58 AM
Are you so illiterate that you think that's a response to what I said?

Your smugness is only exceeded by your ignorance.

I'll take that as a shameful admission to pissing in your pants...
Do you carry a handgun when you go to the park and feed the ducks ?

OZZ
23rd August 12, 11:10 AM
On a serious note - what sort of handgun packs a punch that is sufficient to down a full-grown grizzly bear ?
I don't know a lot about handguns, but aren't there only a handful that are powerful enough to drop a huge mammal with a single shot (unless you nail it right between the eyes ) ?
Yes, in Canada we largely abide by the idea that handguns are manufactured for the purpose of killing people, not animals.
Rifles are what people in rural areas rely on to protect their livestock, family pets etc. from predators. Not handguns.
Of course, in America, you need a handgun just to survive a walk through the trailer park..

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd August 12, 12:03 PM
I'll take that as a shameful admission to pissing in your pants...
Do you carry a handgun when you go to the park and feed the ducks ?Ducks are far more dangerous than you think.

Cormorants are okay though.

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd August 12, 12:05 PM
On a serious note - what sort of handgun packs a punch that is sufficient to down a full-grown grizzly bear ?Seriously, I know of none worth relying upon in such a case. A shotgun with a rifled slug is a better bet by far.

Spade: The Real Snake
23rd August 12, 12:12 PM
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Feryk
23rd August 12, 02:40 PM
A Desert Eagle could handle a Grizzly. I just wouldn't want to get close enough to be accurate with it.

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd August 12, 02:49 PM
A Desert Eagle could handle a Grizzly. I just wouldn't want to get close enough to be accurate with it.Maybe, if you know ursine anatomy -- especially the skull. I wouldn't try a center shot.

Feryk
23rd August 12, 02:51 PM
Dude a Desert Eagle can penetrate an engine block. It's a giant hand gun.

Pretty sure Bear Skull <> Solid steel.

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd August 12, 02:54 PM
Dude a Desert Eagle can penetrate an engine block. It's a giant hand gun.

Pretty sure Bear Skull <> Solid steel.Really? I had the impression that a .44 Magnum could not reliably crack an engine block, much less blow through it.

I'd probably favor a revolver in any case, but that's a trivial issue.

Spade: The Real Snake
23rd August 12, 02:58 PM
This sounds like a job for Myrthbusters, wherein we dump naked, honeysmeared OZZ in the Yukon with only a Bersa

Feryk
23rd August 12, 03:02 PM
Really? I had the impression that a .44 Magnum could not reliably crack an engine block, much less blow through it.

I'd probably favor a revolver in any case, but that's a trivial issue.

Apparently Yahoo Answers is our friend:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081031175126AAFfeKl

Long story short, YES a .44 with the right ammo CAN have enough stopping power (1600 ft. lbs), and a number of .50 cal handguns will work too, BUT they have a shitload of recoil, and it takes more than one shot.

OZZ
23rd August 12, 03:30 PM
Isn't there some Russian handgun that is supposed to rival the 44 Magnum ?

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd August 12, 03:54 PM
There are any number of handguns and cartridges with more power than the .44 Magnum. I consider them to be silly for the most part, but hey, buyer beware.

Vieux Normand
23rd August 12, 05:12 PM
Dude a Desert Eagle can penetrate an engine block. It's a giant hand gun.

Pretty sure Bear Skull <> Solid steel.

Sounds like those "it takes only 8 lbs. of pressure PSI for a deadly TKD kick to shatter a kneecap" things they used to do...on cadaver patellae, dried and removed from supporting tissue, just sitting motionless on an anvil.

The bear, if it decides to do so, will be moving--and they often do so with a lot of unpredictable head-motions as they run at race-horse speed...or so I'm told. Even standing still (pretty much the only state I saw them, unless they were lying down), they sometimes move their heads from side to side a lot. Don't know about headshots for bear. Maybe.

When I lived in Yukon, I sometimes went on the trail with a shotgun if there'd been reports of bear. One barrel would be for scaring a hostile bear (rifles and handguns don't make nearly enough racket to do more than draw their attention, if they hear it at all). The other barrel would be in case the first didn't scare it off.

Ended up that the only time I saw any bears occurred when there hadn't been any reports and so I went on the trail unarmed. The few I saw in the bush would lie around a lot, doing very little of anything unless there were fish to be had in some creek nearby, and even those spent their time just watching and waiting. The most active bears I saw were elsewhere, plodding around dumps.

Not very exciting? Sorry. I'll try to rustle up some scary CGI bears or something...

Syntactical Disruptorize
23rd August 12, 05:31 PM
I do not count on head shots for bears. I prefer to send a slug into the boiler room. That, I might hit while shitting my pants.

Feryk
24th August 12, 12:47 AM
I live next to the Rocky Mountains. We have grizzlies, brown and black bears in the mountain park.

Fortunately, those bears are pretty laid back. The amount of stupid fucking Japanese and American tourists that jump out of their cars and approach them is unbelievable.

I'm amazed that the death toll isn't higher.

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 04:14 AM
They approach the bears on foot? I wouldn't do that with a damn bazooka to hand. It's inappropriate as well as stupid.

Respect bears for what they are and keep your distance. They are not pets. This makes them awesome, but also dangerous.

Sent from my Tricorder

Spade: The Real Snake
24th August 12, 08:01 AM
Man tends to not respect the potentially injurous power of animals to the extent they should.

Spade: The Real Snake
24th August 12, 10:44 AM
Well if I was built like you I would, yeah

OZZ
24th August 12, 04:10 PM
My guess is that the idiot on the motorcycle who hid his handgun from border officials wasn't carrying his piece so he could protect himself in the woods.
I think he just wanted to ensure he had the level of ' personal protection ', and firepower, on his person as he was accustomed to having at home. And figured it would be a cinch to sneak it over the border.
He probably wasn't planning on robbing any banks, or murdering anyone. But his plea of ignorance is quite lame, and won't get him any sympathy from a Canadian judge.
My opinion is that the less handguns we have floating around the streets, the safer we will all be.
Not the other way around.

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 04:13 PM
My opinion is that the less handguns we have floating around the streets, the safer we will all be.
Not the other way around.There's your opinion, and then there's the facts (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636).

Can you keep being wrong? It's kind of fun to watch.

OZZ
24th August 12, 04:20 PM
There's your opinion, and then there's the facts (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636).

Can you keep being wrong? It's kind of fun to watch.

There are cities in the USA that endure more gun-related crime annually than the whole of Canada does.
That is all the evidence I need.

Here are some facts :
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 04:22 PM
There are cities in the USA that endure more gun-related crime annually than the whole of Canada does.
That is all the evidence I need.That's because you're an idiot. You're failing to control for all manner of variables. A lot of those crime-ridden cities have very strict gun control; it doesn't do much good. And so on.

Go read a book if you want to look slightly less stupid.

OZZ
24th August 12, 04:28 PM
I know the argument..
" Washington has some of the strictest gun control laws in the USA , but we still have the highest murder rate..hmmm..what's wrong with this picture??"
Gee, maybe that's because getting guns from one state to another is as easy as visiting a city zoo.
If your gun laws were regulated federally, like ours, maybe things would improve down there.
I know all the pro-NRA arguments , Cy. And they are all lame..

Spade: The Real Snake
24th August 12, 04:32 PM
There are cities in the USA that endure more gun-related crime annually than the whole of Canada does.
That is all the evidence I need.

Here are some facts :
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
One would read that link and presume that places like Thailand and Columbia have very little gun control laws.

One would also be wrong.....

http://www.gunpolicy.org/

My favorite chart from this site:
Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
http://www.gunpolicy.org//images/gpo/charts/1306297044FC_World___s_Highest_25___Rate_of_Gun_Ho micide_per_100_000_People.PNG

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 04:35 PM
I know the argument..
" Washington has some of the strictest gun control laws in the USA , but we still have the highest murder rate..hmmm..what's wrong with this picture??"
Gee, maybe that's because getting guns from one state to another is as easy as visiting a city zoo.
If your gun laws were regulated federally, like ours, maybe things would improve down there.
I know all the pro-NRA arguments , Cy. And they are all lame..
You summarize one argument, incompletely and incorrectly, and then fail to address your own strawman adequately. Then you act like you can address all of them.

Please continue to act like a fool. You may wind up convincing people of something after all!

AAAAAA
24th August 12, 05:21 PM
There's your opinion, and then there's the facts (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636).


Question: is that book only about the U.S.A. laws and statistics?

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 05:25 PM
Question: is that book only about the U.S.A. laws and statistics?I think its main focus is on US cities. Colin Greenwood is a better source on the inefficacy of UK gun control laws.

resolve
24th August 12, 05:38 PM
Honestly the best thing to stop a bear attack is bear spray.

There's a guy who did a several year study on polar bears and got attacked in his study shed. He had that industrial bear spray around his neck ready to spray and as the bear pushed him down and prepared to maul he quickly sprayed the thing and it went running.

Sensitive noses and all.

OZZ
24th August 12, 06:34 PM
You summarize one argument, incompletely and incorrectly, and then fail to address your own strawman adequately. Then you act like you can address all of them.

Please continue to act like a fool. You may wind up convincing people of something after all!

Its very simple...

People like you would have us believe that the more guns we have the safer we are.
Hmm..
Let's shine the old crystal ball and see what the future holds for Cy Q...
Its storytime !!
(but it will have to wait, I have a BBQ to go to)

OZZ
24th August 12, 06:38 PM
One would read that link and presume that places like Thailand and Columbia have very little gun control laws.

Not necessarily, but some may conclude that those two nations are rife with government corruption and rampant with drug trafficking - and they'd be right.
People in those countries don't care about laws..even the people who are supposed to enforce them don't care.

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 06:40 PM
Its very simple...
It's you who are simple. (Note the apostrophe.)


People like you would have us believe that the more guns we have the safer we are.
Hmm..
Let's shine the old crystal ball and see what the future holds for Cy Q...
Its storytime !!
(but it will have to wait, I have a BBQ to go to)
Well, outright bullshit is probably your best available argument, so go right ahead. Better not be boring, though. (Oh, why am I kidding myself? It's going to be boring.)

AAAAAA
24th August 12, 06:50 PM
I think its main focus is on US cities. Colin Greenwood is a better source on the inefficacy of UK gun control laws.

That's how it comes up with the "more guns less crime" thing I guess then.
If you look at countries where everybody's not already armed or has easy access to guns, and has a comparable living standard to the U.S.A., things change.

Problem is you can't make those guns disappear so you have no real alternative, save a cultural change which seems let's say unlikely.

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 06:52 PM
That's how it comes up with the "more guns less crime" thing I guess then.
If you look at countries where everybody's not already armed or has easy access to guns, and has a comparable living standard to the U.S.A., things change.

Problem is you can't make those guns disappear so you have no real alternative, save a cultural change which seems let's say unlikely.
Again, you might want to read Colin Greenwood, who extends the pro-gun argument outside the US and undermines your exact line of argument.

AAAAAA
24th August 12, 07:30 PM
Again, you might want to read Colin Greenwood, who extends the pro-gun argument outside the US and undermines your exact line of argument.

Looks interesting, but it's still about a single country.
What I'd like to know is why you have so many gun related crimes and lax gun control laws, whereas said comparable countries having strict laws don't. No correlation at all?

It may be wrong to try and take Your Guns Away, but the U.S. situation doesn't exactly demonstrate through example that more guns are better. I still think it's about a culture, which is alive and kicking and not going anywhere soon (and many do profit out of its resilience).

note: I do think that a) gun control laws are happily endorsed by governments who want to preserve the monopoly of violence and b) if I lived in certain places where everybody's armed I'd want to be, too.

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 07:43 PM
Looks interesting, but it's still about a single country.So you're going to do that stupid thing where you bring up obscurantist objections to everything everyone else mentions, offer nothing of your own, do no work, and call it a win?

Yeah, so not playing.

AAAAAA
24th August 12, 08:02 PM
So you're going to do that stupid thing where you bring up obscurantist objections to everything everyone else mentions, offer nothing of your own, do no work, and call it a win?

Yeah, so not playing.

Your "work" isn't convincing me as it is now and I explained why, that's what I had to offer.A book explaining how increasing gun control was followed by increase gun crime rate still doesn't explain why there's such a big difference between the U.S. and others, and doesn't show that relaxing said laws leads to reducing gun crimes (unless that's actually shown in the book, which I doubt since I don't know of many countries who relaxed their laws recently).

OZZ
24th August 12, 09:23 PM
Well, outright bullshit is probably your best available argument, so go right ahead. Better not be boring, though. (Oh, why am I kidding myself? It's going to be boring.)

That is just plain mean !
My stories are never boring !

OZZ
24th August 12, 09:31 PM
Try "another 19 shootings." (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-shootings-chicago-violence-august-23-august-24-violence-gunfire-20120823,0,49779.story)

In one night, no less.

Yep..just another day in the good ol' U S of A..
Maybe if all the employees and pedestrians had been armed to the teeth, this tragedy could have been avoided.
Right Cy ??

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 10:35 PM
Your "work" isn't convincing me
Who gives a shit? You're clearly grasping at straws and doing no work of your own.

You appear to think that yours is the null hypothesis. It isn't, and the more you pretend it is, the more contrived the pretense grows.

You don't know it, but you just got done wasting my time.

Syntactical Disruptorize
24th August 12, 10:36 PM
Yep..just another day in the good ol' U S of A..
Maybe if all the employees and pedestrians had been armed to the teeth, this tragedy could have been avoided.
Right Cy ??If you want to keep your foot out of your mouth, stop trying to put words in mine.

Feryk
28th August 12, 02:21 PM
You know, reading this, I could swear Ozz lived in metro Toronto.

That city tends to be very pro-gun control. They also have a huge problem with handgun violence.

OZZ
28th August 12, 03:02 PM
Toronto is close enough that I am concerned. We've already seen spillovers with gang violence rooted in Toronto playing itself out here in my city. The TO gangbangers often come here to ' lay low '.
Handguns are found in the hands of criminals now more often than they have ever been around here and the majority of the weapons that end up getting snagged by the police have been smuggled in from the USA.
We are still nowhere near the level of violence seen in American cities, but Toronto is getting much worse.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th August 12, 03:06 PM
Remove "gun" from that entire diatribe and you would still have violence problems

OZZ
28th August 12, 03:09 PM
If you want to keep your foot out of your mouth, stop trying to put words in mine.

Keep your head in the sand and a 44 up your ass for all I care...
Any American who denies the direct correlation between easy access to weapons and the level of gun-related violence in the country is in denial.
And I don't need to waste my time reading books or looking at graphs to confirm this.
Every time there's another Virginia Tech or Columbine , I count myself fortunate to be a Canadian.

OZZ
28th August 12, 03:15 PM
Remove "gun" from that entire diatribe and you would still have violence problems

Stabbings are also much more common now than they were a decade or two ago.
Yet the statistics for this city actually show a reduction in violent crime overall.

OZZ
28th August 12, 03:20 PM
Remove "gun" from that entire diatribe and you would still have violence problems

I don't have nearly as much of a problem with violence in the form of fistfights or barroom brawls as I do with gun-related violence that result in murder.
Especially when innocent people get mowed down because idiots don't know how to shoot, or cannot have the decency to settle their scores in their own neighborhoods or in parking lot instead of a goddamn food court.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th August 12, 03:22 PM
I love how OZZ hedges his bets by excusing the Canucklestan shootings by blaming US guns and not the violent CNUX

Vieux Normand
28th August 12, 05:09 PM
The problem with cnux killing each other off is...?

Syntactical Disruptorize
28th August 12, 05:17 PM
I love how OZZ hedges his bets by excusing the Canucklestan shootings by blaming US guns and not the violent CNUXI recall Mexico trying this, and being more correct than they appreciated at the time. The criminals who smuggled the guns from the US were employed by the ATF or acting directly at their request.

Some people call that issue a "distraction". Others call it "evil".

OZZ
28th August 12, 07:15 PM
I love how OZZ hedges his bets by excusing the Canucklestan shootings by blaming US guns and not the violent CNUX

No..not really.
Just stating the facts...the guns our gang members use up here are smuggled in from down there.
Because, you know, we have laws restricting the sale of firearms.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th August 12, 10:43 PM
No..not really.
Just stating the facts...the guns our gang members use up here are smuggled in from down there.
Because, you know, we have laws restricting the sale of firearms.

So the criminals find a way to get guns while the law abiding citizens don't.

And if the US bans guns this fact will magically change?

Adouglasmhor
29th August 12, 01:41 PM
In 1990 former UDR soldier Samuel McCoubry was jailed for 14 years for operating the largest weapons factory ever found in the north.

More than 30 Sten guns and parts for over 1,000 Uzi-type rapid-fire machine guns were found during a search of McCoubry's farm outside Ballynahinch.

Up to 800 machine guns were being completed on McCoubry's premises at the time of his arrest.

Four bullet manufacturing machines were also uncovered during the search.

McCoubry is thought to have been manufacturing guns for loyalist paramilitaries for nearly 20 years.

It later emerged he had been subsidised through LEDU (the Local Enterprise Development Unit) in his legitimate saw-making business.

I was involved with the raid in 1989 on his Saw factory on the farm, other than the "bullet manufacturing" machines (which were reloaders not bullet moulds fucking journo mongs). The Uzi type were stens too!

Feryk
30th August 12, 11:13 AM
I imagine that would've been a tense one. You KNOW he's armed to the teeth when you show up.

OZZ
30th August 12, 03:00 PM
So the criminals find a way to get guns while the law abiding citizens don't.

And if the US bans guns this fact will magically change?

Getting guns from US-based criminals is a longstanding practice among Canadian criminals.
Handguns go for a pretty penny on the streets up here.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th August 12, 03:12 PM
Getting guns from US-based criminals is a longstanding practice among Canadian criminals.
Handguns go for a pretty penny on the streets up here.
And you think this practice will change, should the US ban all guns? No, you'll just be getting Russian or Triad or Sinaloa Cartel business.

Syntactical Disruptorize
30th August 12, 03:20 PM
And you think this practice will change, should the US ban all guns? No, you'll just be getting Russian or Triad or Sinaloa Cartel business.Or U.S. business. Banning guns doesn't make them disappear, it only makes them illegal -- and profitable to sell to criminals.

OZZ
30th August 12, 03:21 PM
If you want a good gun..buy American.


And you think this practice will change, should the US ban all guns?

Of course not..

Feryk
30th August 12, 03:35 PM
That's when the Hells Angels get a distribution deal with Smith & Wesson.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th August 12, 03:49 PM
Why would US gun businesses stay operational when they lose 90% of their potential customers

Seriously, you are losing it

Lollius Urbicus
30th August 12, 04:41 PM
Or U.S. business. Banning guns doesn't make them disappear, it only makes them illegal -- and profitable to sell to criminals.
Exactly.

Banning them in the US would only concentrate them in the hands of criminals and drive up the black market price.

Feryk
30th August 12, 05:17 PM
Why would US gun businesses stay operational when they lose 90% of their potential customers

Seriously, you are losing it

I guess for the same reason that Seagrams and Sleeman's and a ton of other distillers found ways to do business in the US during Prohibition: profits.

S & W could move their factories to another country and import. If the price were to be driven up, their profits would be enormous enough to risk seizure, etc.

I don't feel like I'm losing it.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th August 12, 05:37 PM
If they move their factories to another country, then they aren't really US companies, anymore

Feryk
4th September 12, 04:48 PM
Really? Ask Scott Paper, P&G, the Big 3 Auto Manufacturers and about 495 other S&P 500 companies how that works.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th September 12, 05:07 PM
Really? Ask Scott Paper, P&G, the Big 3 Auto Manufacturers and about 495 other S&P 500 companies how that works.
There are *still* factories in the US, selling products that are legal to sell and possess in the US to US citizens.
When you guys equate Prohibition and Bootlegging to this gun debate, you remove several of those aforementioned key factors.

Syntactical Disruptorize
7th September 12, 08:11 AM
If creativo had actually been interested in finding a multi-national study, instead of puling and whining about how nobody had spoon-fed him one, he might have found this one (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf). Its international content is limited by many factors (poor crime reporting in many nations, lack of parallel comparisons, etc.), but it's about as well as one can do.

Feryk
7th September 12, 05:30 PM
Cy, that study is absolutely perfect.

Ozz, here is the quote that concludes the study. This particular researcher was looking into gun violence in Canada vs. US (so, IOW, exactly what we have been discussing).


If you are surprised by [our] finding[s], so [are we]. [We] did
not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” handguns,
but there it is—a negative finding, to be sure, but a negative
finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us
where not to aim public health resources

Cullion would love the conclusion of this report. Just sayin'.

AAAAAA
7th September 12, 07:04 PM
Cy, you know I love being spoon-fed by exactly you, as everybody else.
That study in my eyes shows that not only the data isn't coherent with "less guns=less crime" but also that causation isn't easily provable in one way or the other because of too many other cultural factors.
I think the cultural factor of gun worship you have going on there is a childish anachronism and fostering crazy people to go on rampages when they find out they won't be WINNERS. Let them revel in self guilt like we do it here instead.

The most interesting bit was about the pre-Civil war part. It really gives you an idea of what kind of society can, and maybe should, have widespread gun ownership without problems.

Feryk
7th September 12, 11:55 PM
I think the cultural factor of gun worship you have going on there is a childish anachronism and fostering crazy people to go on rampages when they find out they won't be WINNERS. Let them revel in self guilt like we do it here instead.


Pretty fucking arrogant to call an aspect of their culture 'childish'. Especially with nothing but your opinion.

AAAAAA
8th September 12, 08:52 AM
Pretty fucking arrogant to call an aspect of their culture 'childish'. Especially with nothing but your opinion.

That may be too strong a word, I wasn't referring to the whole gun culture, but to the part that lost its roots in the times when it actually made sense. With "worship" I mean the deceitful, irrational side of it, that wants you to buy them and makes guns part of consumerism, quite different to what the colonial people thought of them and it shows. All the games and movies one grows up with (me too), giving the deep seated feeling that death by gunfire = entertainment.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 12, 10:38 AM
quite different to what the colonial people thought of them and it shows
That's only because guns where hand-made during colonial times and were more expensive and more difficult to attain.

Even during the Western Expansion, many towns tried to enact and enforce strict "no carry" laws simply because the lawmen were mostly volunteers.

Cullion
8th September 12, 01:06 PM
Cullion would love the conclusion of this report. Just sayin'.

This should not be a surprise to anybody with a reasonable grasp of history or insight into human nature.

Syntactical Disruptorize
8th September 12, 01:23 PM
That study in my eyes shows that not only the data isn't coherent with "less guns=less crime"
Do you mean "consistent"? I'm not trying to be a dick here; I want to be sure I understand you.


but also that causation isn't easily provable in one way or the other because of too many other cultural factors.
Complex cultural phenomena are like that, yeah. They don't respond well to simplistic solutions. Sadly, some people do respond well to such solutions.


I think the cultural factor of gun worship you have going on there is a childish anachronism and fostering crazy people to go on rampages when they find out they won't be WINNERS. Let them revel in self guilt like we do it here instead.
How did you get that from the study?


The most interesting bit was about the pre-Civil war part. It really gives you an idea of what kind of society can, and maybe should, have widespread gun ownership without problems.
I found that part interesting as well, although the rest of the study also showed that widespread gun ownership is not in general correlated with problems.

AAAAAA
8th September 12, 01:39 PM
Do you mean "consistent"? I'm not trying to be a dick here; I want to be sure I understand you.


Yes indeed, thanks.



How did you get that from the study?


as Feryk noted, that's just my idea. It is a broad generalization about cultural factors, not linked to the study, from my non-gun cultured point of view.



I found that part interesting as well, although the rest of the study also showed that widespread gun ownership is not in general correlated with problems.

Agreed. The plain numerical argument gets shot down by that study.

Syntactical Disruptorize
8th September 12, 02:08 PM
as Feryk noted, that's just my idea. It is a broad generalization about cultural factors, not linked to the study, from my non-gun cultured point of view.
I find it condescending, offensive, and ignorant.


Agreed. The plain numerical argument gets shot down by that study.
What other sort of argument is there in this case? It looks to me as if you keep trying to leave yourself wiggle room for some afactual argument against citizens owning guns.

AAAAAA
8th September 12, 02:59 PM
I find it condescending, offensive, and ignorant.


Am I completely off mark?



What other sort of argument is there in this case? It looks to me as if you keep trying to leave yourself wiggle room for some afactual argument against citizens owning guns.

No, I realize there's no rationale in it. Something's horribly broken if you have such a high violence rate (not to mention the crazies), but gun laws aren't going to fix it.

Syntactical Disruptorize
9th September 12, 03:04 AM
Am I completely off mark?
In my experience, yes.


No, I realize there's no rationale in it. Something's horribly broken if you have such a high violence rate (not to mention the crazies), but gun laws aren't going to fix it.
There are all kinds of brokenness. If you fixate on this one, it's probably because you see the mote in our eye and choose to disregard the beam in your own.

AAAAAA
9th September 12, 03:04 PM
There are all kinds of brokenness. If you fixate on this one, it's probably because you see the mote in our eye and choose to disregard the beam in your own.

That's a common problem. I hear all the time dumb and ignorant foreigners explaining in two words my country's problems.
I hate it because they often do have a point.

Syntactical Disruptorize
9th September 12, 05:05 PM
That's a common problem. I hear all the time dumb and ignorant foreigners explaining in two words my country's problems.
I hate it because they often do have a point.
And there's the difference.

Feryk
10th September 12, 12:47 PM
And there's the difference.

Ouch!

AAAAAA
11th September 12, 01:49 AM
And there's the difference.

But of course!

OZZ
11th September 12, 10:55 AM
Anyways, back on topic :
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/while-canada-celebrates-war-1812-residents-u-town-215719965.html

OZZ
21st September 12, 09:07 AM
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/u-state-department-says-doesn-t-secret-plan-213355781.html

America had a plan laid out to invade us in the 30's ? If we turned commie ?
Devious.

Spade: The Real Snake
21st September 12, 10:37 AM
'they're just a little too proud,'
you gotta be fucking shitting me.

Feryk
21st September 12, 01:46 PM
It's all a function of the Strategic Toque Reserve.

Spade: The Real Snake
7th January 13, 12:33 PM
Can't you fuckers control yourself enough to not be France's "KettleBitchez"

Spade: The Real Snake
7th January 13, 01:12 PM
LOL. Britain.

"Power surges called the TV pickup are unique to Britain. The engineers at the National Grid control centre brace themselves each time Eastenders ends and 1.75 million kettles get switched on."

"there's a power surge demand of 3 Gigawatts in 5 minutes as 1.75m Kettles are put on - so much France sends 600Megawatts of power"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britainfromabove/stories/people/teatimebritain.shtml

I SAY THERE OLD CHAP.....WE MIGHT HAVE SAVED YOUR BACON FROM THE GERRIES IN THE GREAT ONE, BUT CAN YOU SPARE A BIT OF THE OLD KETTLEJUICE??

Spade: The Real Snake
10th January 13, 06:09 PM
We should export our pensioners


Sent by telekinesis via Cerebro

Vieux Normand
10th January 13, 07:04 PM
We should export our pensioners.

Looks more like you're importing everyone else's. Congratulations.

AAAAAA
11th January 13, 04:35 PM
USA has the highest cancer survival rates and the lowest cholesterol and blood pressure levels. Basically, it's a great spot to live if you're old: "Americans who reach age 75 can expect to live longer than people in the peer countries," the report (http://gawker.com/5974693/america-is-number-one-at-obesity-stds-and-dying-young) reads.

The problem is not getting gunned down or die of "abundance illnesses" before you hit 70 it seems.

U.S. Lags Peers in Life Expectancy (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-lags-peers-life-expectancy-021000978.html)

OZZ
11th January 13, 06:00 PM
Basically, it's a great spot to live if you're old

Living and living well are not the same thing.
When I'm an old bastard, I'll be retiring over in the Mediterranean somewhere nice and quiet. Eating lots of fish, olive oil and expensive crackers.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th January 13, 06:02 PM
Living and living well are not the same thing.
When I'm an old bastard, I'll be retiring over in the Mediterranean somewhere nice and quiet. Eating lots of fish, olive oil and expensive crackers.
First, you better make sure ol' Papi Giuseppe's villa is clean and his laundry done, bitch.

OZZ
11th January 13, 06:05 PM
Fuck that..I'll be bending over a lil' Italian chambermaid and giving the orders.

Vieux Normand
11th January 13, 06:39 PM
Living and living well are not the same thing.
When I'm an old bastard, I'll be retiring over in the Mediterranean somewhere nice and quiet. Eating lots of fish, olive oil and expensive crackers.

No crackers in America?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th January 13, 09:17 PM
Thats the first funny thing I've ever read from Vieueieux.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th January 13, 11:39 PM
Thats the first funny thing I've ever read from Vieueieux.
and now the Deathwatch begins with you.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
12th January 13, 12:05 AM
eh?

Spade: The Real Snake
12th January 13, 10:20 AM
indeed

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
12th January 13, 11:34 AM
Think you may of had one too many protein shakes last night.

Spade: The Real Snake
12th January 13, 11:58 AM
yeah
still waiting

Adouglasmhor
12th January 13, 04:30 PM
Think you may of have had one too many protein shakes last night.

FFS stop being a chav.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
12th January 13, 06:46 PM
Now Duggee is starting with the incomprehensible posts.

WTF is going on around here?

Cullion
12th January 13, 06:47 PM
yU0 no respek the langridge of shakespar

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
12th January 13, 06:55 PM
Ahhh reet.

Spade: The Real Snake
13th January 13, 08:18 AM
FFS stop being a chav.

I don't think Faustus can help himself. He is like an educated hillbilly, constantly clawing for the lowest common denominator. It is as if an episode of "Duck Dynasty" is perpetually breaking out around him as his sips a Merlot from an old pickle jar.

Adouglasmhor
13th January 13, 12:26 PM
Now Duggee is starting with the incomprehensible posts.

WTF is going on around here?

May have can be contracted to may've but may of is meaningless and is an affectation by people who have heard the phrase but not understood it.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th March 13, 11:51 AM
My sherection is throbbing.
Someone rep that bitch.

Adouglasmhor
8th March 13, 12:44 PM
A sherection is called a "wide on" here.