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Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 12:03 PM
The expenditure for the Royal household that the tax payer forked out for last year has been released...

Robbing bastards expenses at my expense over the last 5 years (http://www.royal.gov.uk/pdf/Financial%20reports%202011-12/75021_Finances%20Section1.pdf)

The queens personal fortune is etimated at ~£300 million and her art collection ~£10 billion!

That doesnt even include all her real estate holdings!

And yet we still pay this incredibly wealthy individual & her family £32 million of our money!!!

George the III wasnt as mad as they make out when he struck that deal!

Madgrenade
2nd July 12, 12:08 PM
While the European and British federal governments are writing 40 billion corporate bailout cheques every other week I won't be crying into my beer over the Queens 30 mill a year thanks.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 12:23 PM
Its more symbolic of the mind set of our government.

Cullion
2nd July 12, 12:25 PM
We give more money than that in 'humanitarian aid' in a week to governments with space and nuclear weapons programmes.

It's strange and ritualistic to just hand money over to a family purely because of who they're descended from, but it's a quirky part of british culture that brings in far more revenue via tourism than it costs. It's not something we'd come up with if we were starting again from scratch, but we've definitely got much bigger fish to fry.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 12:28 PM
I know fucking crazy!!! (Except the space program bit obviously)

Madgrenade
2nd July 12, 12:38 PM
Ha! In this country the monarchy IS the government. They are one of the countries major landowners and our military forces swear alligience to the Queen, rather than the country.

So it's hardly surprising that public funds are use to run the royal household. Say what you like abou the injustices of the heriditary monarchy, it isn't the royal households maintainence bill that is going to bring down the country.

It's worth noting that the Queen gets paid less than a squad of premier league footballers, she employs hundreds of staff and very rarely is off the field with a broken metatarsal.

When you intitled this thread "How Britain Works" I was expecting to read something with slightly more substance than.

"Raaaaaaaa Queens bdget got released sheee coosssssts us muuuunnneeeeeeeee rararararrararararaarraararrarara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If you were going to crtique the Queen's lack of any descernible Queening then NP. But 30mill is pennies compared to the money the Country and the whole of Europe is hemmoraging daily propping up bust banks which are essentially fronts for monarchy anyway.

If we keep on printing money like this soon 30 million wont be enough to feed ones dogs.

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 12:53 PM
We send more than that in daily tribute to our Oberleutnants in Brussels.

The Royal Family are incredibly good value for money I'd much rather my taxes were spent on them than the Indian space program or the socialist-Europhile propaganda service the BBC.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 12:53 PM
it seems perverse to me that we should be willingly giving a very rich person free money and yet we squeeze the rest of society for every penny so we can pay off the gambling debts of sociopaths.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 12:55 PM
We send more than that in daily tribute to our Oberleutnants in Brussels.

The Royal Family are incredibly good value for money I'd much rather my taxes were spent on them than the Indian space program or the socialist-Europhile propaganda service the BBC.

My point is that they are rich enough to pay their own way.

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 12:59 PM
My point is that they are rich enough to pay their own way.
They'd go bankrupt within a few generations if they had to bear the costs of upkeep on all the Royal estates on their own.

The money we pay to them is essentially conservation money to preserve the palaces, art, grounds, antiques, monuments etc... that make up the Royal estates.

You can be sure it would cost us 10 times as much if it were all handed over to the government and they were put in charge of maintaining and conserving it all.

Madgrenade
2nd July 12, 01:00 PM
Its not free money. Its her fee as our only fully qualified ribbon snipper.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 01:01 PM
There was me thinking that you were some history boffin!

Oh I and I couldnt give a shit if they went backrupt. NIce council house near the Elephant and Castle would be appropriate me thinks.

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 01:03 PM
They keep a nice dank cell in The Tower for people like you.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 01:07 PM
Payed for by my taxes!

Madgrenade
2nd July 12, 01:11 PM
If we wanna have change in this country then the Monarchy is a red line. If you think you have trouble getting people to believe the bankers are planning to blow up the economy then have fun trying to convince people that the Queen is a baby eating globalist.

We need to force the Monarchy into the position where they are afraid of chaos in London and loosing the palaces will be forced to come out and back the people, while using the royal perogative to reign in some of their more nutty peers.

But bring the monarchy into it and you are hurting the movement in Britain because people are so brainwashed and love the Queen.

Hell if I had tv coverage saying how wonderful I am for 60 years people would love me too.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd July 12, 01:26 PM
I expect the Monarchy generates more tourist dollars than they cost the government

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 01:26 PM
If you got rid of the monarchy it would just be replaced by some ghastly President, who would hoover up just as much money in official residencies, security details and foreign junkets as the Royals.

I'm happy paying my 52p a year to keep the Royals and ensure we don't have something horrific like President Tony Blair instead.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd July 12, 01:29 PM
Tony Blair was the most masculine Brit since Vinnie Jones or Henry Cooper.

Cullion
2nd July 12, 01:37 PM
Tony Blair was the most masculine Brit since Vinnie Jones or Henry Cooper.

It took a really carefully thought out and stage-managed media campaign to give you that impression. In reality the phrases 'limousine liberal' and 'champagne socialist' were practically invented to describe him.

Cullion
2nd July 12, 01:37 PM
I expect the Monarchy generates more tourist dollars than they cost the government

By a factor of at least 10.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd July 12, 01:39 PM
By a factor of at least 10.
Have you any idea the number of dopey Americans whom visit England strictly because of the Royal Family?

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 01:51 PM
Have you any idea the number of dopey Americans whom visit England strictly because of the Royal Family?
And Japs, millions of Japs.

Madgrenade
2nd July 12, 01:52 PM
So when yellowstone blows up and Japan slips into the sea can we has republic plz?

Cullion
2nd July 12, 02:35 PM
Have you any idea the number of dopey Americans whom visit England strictly because of the Royal Family?

Yes, it's a massive tourist attraction. Nobody would turn up in droves to take pictures of Tony Blair's official residence. It's precisely because it's a feudal anachronism being played out with a completely straight face that gives it the fairy-tale attraction for all those tourists. The remaining monarchies of Britain, Scandinavia and the Netherlands with all the irrational ceremony attached to them are essentially a form of European Shinto.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 03:39 PM
It would still exist withut the civil list and tourist would still be attracted to London.

She basically gets £20 million in housing benefit and a further £15 million to divvy up amoungst her inbred genetic dead end of a family. And this is on top of her income of ~£13M she gets from her own personal horde.

Robot Jesus
2nd July 12, 03:41 PM
the topic of the monarchy in Canada is a little different; I don't see anything wrong with you guys keeping the queen, but it's a little silly that our head of state is a foreigner.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 03:43 PM
Canada is full of foriegners!

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 03:50 PM
^Please somebody make it stop

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd July 12, 03:58 PM
It would still exist withut the civil list and tourist would still be attracted to London.

She basically gets £20 million in housing benefit and a further £15 million to divvy up amoungst her inbred genetic dead end of a family. And this is on top of her income of ~£13M she gets from her own personal horde.
Nobody is going to fly to London to see Big Bert unless it's to LARP Cinderella and take a Hogwarts tour.

The Queen Mum is making less in salary than Daniel Craig.


the topic of the monarchy in Canada is a little different; I don't see anything wrong with you guys keeping the queen, but it's a little silly that our head of state is a foreigner.
Perhaps if the criteria for "Canadian Monarch" were a little less strict.....say it involved mullets and denim tuxedos.....you might have a worthy Canucklestanian challanger whom would appear.

Madgrenade
2nd July 12, 04:06 PM
The Queen mum is dead dude. She makes less salary than me.

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 04:41 PM
You know, if anyone really is desperate to live in a Republic, then France is only a ferry ride away.

Robot Jesus
2nd July 12, 05:15 PM
Perhaps if the criteria for "Canadian Monarch" were a little less strict.....say it involved mullets and denim tuxedos.....you might have a worthy Canucklestanian challanger whom would appear.

from speaking to outlanders the real Canadian stereotypes are grilled meat, an obsession with patios, and being really polite.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd July 12, 05:22 PM
Dr. Fagazz said you fuckers all wear beige and are outdrank by Crookteeth.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6d87PnVS1qdxa4wo1_1280.jpg

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Also:


Milk bags use less plastic than traditional milk jugs and are placed in reusable plastic pitchers. The bags themselves can also be washed out and re-used to carry sandwiches, or to freeze food (using a twist tie or rubber band for closure). Because they are designed to be watertight, they are more durable than most commercially available sandwich bags.

Adouglasmhor
2nd July 12, 05:23 PM
Civil list works out at 52p per annum per head. A fucking penny a week and you are whining about it. 70% goes on staff costs, transport is the next big slice of expenditure. Of course the income from the Crown estates is paid diret to the treasury £240.2 million profit on the last annual report and an £8.1 billion capital value, against £32.3 million paid out on the civil list. The deal was govt got the crown estates and royals got the civil list to cover expenditure. That stops they get the estates back. To me the taxpayer is up over £207 million on the deal.

Spade: The Real Snake
2nd July 12, 05:27 PM
Civil list works out at 52p per annum per head. A fucking penny a week and you are whining about it. 70% goes on staff costs, transport is the next big slice of expenditure. Of course the income from the Crown estates is paid diret to the treasury £240.2 million profit on the last annual report and an £8.1 billion capital value, against £32.3 million paid out on the civil list. The deal was govt got the crown estates and royals got the civil list to cover expenditure. That stops they get the estates back. To me the taxpayer is up over £207 million on the deal.

Fagazz needs that penny to cover his "hawt EMO girlfriend's" electrolysis.

Cullion
2nd July 12, 05:33 PM
Max is complaining about the kind of money wasted on nice office furniture by senior civil servants in a single minor department annually. For a public spending programme, sprucing up the tourist attractions in central London and Windsor has an astonishingly good return.

Priorities straight son.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 05:39 PM
Max is complaining about the kind of money wasted on nice office furniture by senior civil servants in a single minor department annually. For a public spending programme, sprucing up the tourist attractions in central London and Windsor has an astonishingly good return.

No I dont mind that. The tourists are money I get that. What I dont get is why we owe her a fucking penny.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 05:41 PM
Civil list works out at 52p per annum per head. A fucking penny a week and you are whining about it. 70% goes on staff costs, transport is the next big slice of expenditure. Of course the income from the Crown estates is paid diret to the treasury £240.2 million profit on the last annual report and an £8.1 billion capital value, against £32.3 million paid out on the civil list. The deal was govt got the crown estates and royals got the civil list to cover expenditure. That stops they get the estates back. To me the taxpayer is up over £207 million on the deal.


They would never get the Crown Estates back reguardless of how the civil list works out.

Sure lets keep the palaces and let the tourists have a nice time looking around them but why should we be shelling out millions of pounds in state benefits to one family?

"We're all in it together!"

AAAAAA
2nd July 12, 05:46 PM
The remaining monarchies of Britain, Scandinavia and the Netherlands with all the irrational ceremony attached to them are essentially a form of European Shinto.

These are also countries that haven't had big revolutions in the 18th century and onwards, it gives a whole different sense of tradition I suppose.

Lollius Urbicus
2nd July 12, 06:21 PM
No I dont mind that. The tourists are money I get that. What I dont get is why we owe her a fucking penny.
You've got it wrong.

As God's chosen ruler of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland she deigns to allow you, her subject, to enjoy personal property rights and a parliamentary democracy.

You should be grateful to her for allowing you the freedoms you enjoy.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
2nd July 12, 06:32 PM
I'm sure she's more than grateful to have a country of idiots paying her way.

I was having this argument with a C of E devotee and she actually believes that Olde Liz works harder than the majority of people in the country. Serious she belives that Liz works harder than nurses for example!

Amazing how the mythologizing of a ruthless family run protection racket has become so pervasive that people actually believe this kind of thing.

Harpy
2nd July 12, 08:25 PM
I actually really like the Queen and do think she works hard for the money. Her stoicism, stiff upper lip and verve for life are awesome (I watched a documentary of her and one clip was her driving an old model jalopy/ute with her corgis on board, she was wearing sensible clothing and is a tough bird) and I think she and Harry would be assets during the zombie apocalypse. Also, mark my words, when ol' Philopolous kicks the bucket she'll be out and about on social duties the day after he's interred.

In Queensland (northeastern state of Australia where Toby lives) our government has decided to axe 8,000 civil servant jobs this quarter and I for one am celebrating. The majority are contractors who do the admin of the people who are actually supposed to do their own fricken job. So I say, long live the Queen!

NoB - you are on a roll my man.

resolve
2nd July 12, 09:37 PM
Usurpers.

Robot Jesus
2nd July 12, 10:28 PM
Dr. Fagazz said you fuckers all wear beige and are outdrank by Crookteeth.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6d87PnVS1qdxa4wo1_1280.jpg

EDIT.
Also:

seasons over,

and bags of milk are a eastern Canada thing.

Cullion
3rd July 12, 03:02 AM
No I dont mind that. The tourists are money I get that. What I dont get is why we owe her a fucking penny.

Because we're paying for the upkeep of those buildings and ceremonies that keep the tourists coming. It's an investment. On net, she's paying you.

Adouglasmhor
3rd July 12, 03:04 AM
They would never get the Crown Estates back reguardless of how the civil list works out.

Sure lets keep the palaces and let the tourists have a nice time looking around them but why should we be shelling out millions of pounds in state benefits to one family?

"We're all in it together!"

I reckon they would have a good case in court for the return of the Crown Estates if the Civil list went. It's not like they couldn't afford a decent QC. The Prince of Wales takes nothing from the Civil list and has lived off his holdings especially the Duchy of Cornwall for years. Like I say we are up on the deal, leave it.

on my mobile.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 07:29 AM
Because we're paying for the upkeep of those buildings and ceremonies that keep the tourists coming. It's an investment. On net, she's paying you.

That's just fine and accounts for ~£20M which yes is a good investment. She still gets an extra ~£13M to give to her family, basically state benefit for the rich.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 07:33 AM
I reckon they would have a good case in court for the return of the Crown Estates if the Civil list went. It's not like they couldn't afford a decent QC. The Prince of Wales takes nothing from the Civil list and has lived off his holdings especially the Duchy of Cornwall for years. Like I say we are up on the deal, leave it.


Sure they may get some compromise (maybe) but I think the public outrage and pollitical fallout could be spun enough to stop them getting very much (if anything).

The Crown Estates have been in parlements hands since George the III, its not going to just hand them over.

AAAAAA
3rd July 12, 10:41 AM
Sure they may get some compromise (maybe) but I think the public outrage and pollitical fallout could be spun enough to stop them getting very much (if anything).

The Crown Estates have been in parlements hands since George the III, its not going to just hand them over.

You either do what the French did, or you can't complain about giving money to your Monarchs I'm afraid.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 10:55 AM
You either do what the French did, or you can't complain about giving money to your Monarchs I'm afraid.

How wonderfully binary of you!

I see no reason that has been put forward yet why the civil list cant be cut. The upkeep of the national heritage I see as an earner but cannot fathom the acceptance of handing out state benefits to a very wealthy family in the order of 13,000,000 pounds (stupid Canadian keyboard hasn't got the pound sign on it) a year!

It seems alot of people really have fallen for the Royal myth that they are some how entitled to your money just because they are Royal.

AAAAAA
3rd July 12, 11:53 AM
It seems alot of people really have fallen for the Royal myth that they are some how entitled to your money just because they are Royal.

You pay a very expensive priest to officiate Britishness, everybody likes it because it's important to be sure of who you are in these days and times!

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 11:57 AM
They have private incomes in the order of millions!

We dont need to pay them they are already loaded!

Cullion
3rd July 12, 12:13 PM
You've already had the reason explained to you, you just don't seem to acknowledge it.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 01:26 PM
I ackowledge it, I just dont accept it.

Adouglasmhor
3rd July 12, 02:44 PM
They have private incomes in the order of millions!

We dont need to pay them they are already loaded!

Which are not covered by the civil list. 70% of the civil list is spent on staff costs, the next big chunk is administration.

Adouglasmhor
3rd July 12, 02:45 PM
Sure they may get some compromise (maybe) but I think the public outrage and pollitical fallout could be spun enough to stop them getting very much (if anything).

The Crown Estates have been in parlements hands since George the III, its not going to just hand them over.

They are managed by parliament for the state they are still owned by the crown.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 04:04 PM
They are managed by parliament for the state they are still owned by the crown.

Sure Dougie and she can dissolve parliament whenever she wants as well.

OOoOo and heal the sick!

Adouglasmhor
3rd July 12, 04:11 PM
Sure Dougie and she can dissolve parliament whenever she wants as well.

OOoOo and heal the sick!

The act of parliament covering the crown estates says so. I hope you are not a lawyer because you seem to have a very poor understanding of law. If parliament starts fucking about with property ownership we are well fucked.

Feryk
3rd July 12, 05:07 PM
The monarchy is one of the few things that makes Britain interesting. The Queen has an excellent image worldwide, and is loved by pretty much the entire commonwealth.

In short, no one agrees with you, Max. STFU.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 06:17 PM
She's a fucking reptile you moron!

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
3rd July 12, 06:18 PM
The act of parliament covering the crown estates says so. I hope you are not a lawyer because you seem to have a very poor understanding of law. If parliament starts fucking about with property ownership we are well fucked.

Like I mentioned she can also cure the sick!

Harpy
3rd July 12, 06:25 PM
Plus we're all just hanging out to see Charles get crowned and the eventual and humorous decline of the house that is sure to follow.

Cullion
4th July 12, 02:18 AM
Charles will do something insane that causes a constitutional crisis, like convert to Islam or publicly disagree with the Prime Minister on something that was in his party manifesto.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th July 12, 08:04 AM
Charles will do something insane that causes a constitutional crisis, like convert to Islam or publicly disagree with the Prime Minister on something that was in his party manifesto.
perhaps Harry will be inspired by a little Game of Thrones action and grease the two before him

AAAAAA
4th July 12, 08:42 AM
I've just read that the new British citizenship "test" will require to know about the Queen's dogs breeds and some Royal genealogy too.

Face it, you'd be lost without your relic of past glory. You should have cut some heads when it was still trendy.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
4th July 12, 09:34 AM
Reptile lover!

Feryk
4th July 12, 12:20 PM
Charles will abdicate. No one wants Camilla as queen do they?

Robot Jesus
4th July 12, 12:37 PM
HARRY FOR KING!!!

Lollius Urbicus
4th July 12, 01:27 PM
Charles will abdicate. No one wants Camilla as queen do they?
No one wants Charles as King, although apparently some people have softened their view of him after his 'Your majesty, your majesty, mummy...' speech.

Adouglasmhor
4th July 12, 01:37 PM
Like I mentioned she can also cure the sick!

She can only cure scrofula, you should try her.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th July 12, 01:43 PM
Not even she would throw the good Dr. a pityfuck
Errrrrrrrr HAWT EMOGIRLFRIEND!!

Adouglasmhor
4th July 12, 01:45 PM
I bet HAWTEMOGIRLFREND is a raving lefty and Dr fagass thinks he will get into her macraméd from recycled onionskin panties by being a radical too.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th July 12, 01:49 PM
Damn
Who let Dougie out the basement
He's swinging hard today

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
4th July 12, 01:54 PM
The Queen is obviously a touchy subject for him.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th July 12, 02:00 PM
The Queen is obviously a touchy subject for him.

Where as Prince Charlie makes you feel all "touchy"

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
4th July 12, 02:04 PM
.......and Camilla makes you moist

Feryk
4th July 12, 02:06 PM
Camilla makes me want to reach for a saddle.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
4th July 12, 02:07 PM
^ pervert

Adouglasmhor
4th July 12, 02:07 PM
The Queen is obviously a touchy subject for him.

Not really, as you respond to logic and reason with ridicule and angst, I came down to your level to make it fair. Because I am a good guy.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
4th July 12, 02:08 PM
^ reptile lover

Adouglasmhor
4th July 12, 02:09 PM
^Greenham woman

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
4th July 12, 02:15 PM
^ mono-orchid-monachist

Adouglasmhor
4th July 12, 02:20 PM
^ Marxian sponger

Feryk
4th July 12, 02:21 PM
^ thread killer.

AAAAAA
4th July 12, 05:36 PM
^ thread killer.

^ last post if it weren't for this one

Madgrenade
4th July 12, 06:10 PM
I got no problem with a Monarch. Not sure why it has to be that particular Monarch though. We could have an quadranual deathmatch. That would be an even bigger tourist draw.

"Come watch Englishmen battle to the death for the right to rule!"

We could set up a little arena around parliament square. The roads will have to be closed to make room for the stands but they closed it for the Jubilee so I don't really see the problem.

Then we can march the winner straight into Westminster Abbey for a quick victory coranation before he changes his mind. Swords etc are allowed (no firearms, this is England.) so it could also prove a useful tool to whittle down the aristocracy.

Aww man. A monarch we could be proud of. You know Phil would give it a go first year.

Robot Jesus
5th July 12, 12:51 PM
no swords, longbows and quarter staves.

Feryk
5th July 12, 03:09 PM
Longbow ftw!

Feryk
5th July 12, 05:31 PM
Unstring the longbow. There's your staff.

Harpy
5th July 12, 07:36 PM
Why bother unstringing it?? Multi-functional.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
7th July 12, 09:17 PM
Just so there is no misunderstanding about the provenance of the Crown Estates....

They were lands taken by force, in effect they are the ill-gotten gains of gangsters!

Thanks to the Glorious Revolution and finacial ineptitude of the Honoverian square heads these gains came under the control of Parliament.

So no I dont buy the "well she earns more than we give her" line.

She doesnt earn anything we give it to her because her family were gangsters and for some reason that has been spun into some cozy 'icle fairytale.

Robbing reptilian bastards!!!

Adouglasmhor
8th July 12, 02:33 AM
Just so there is no misunderstanding about the provenance of the Crown Estates....

They were lands taken by force, in effect they are the ill-gotten gains of gangsters!

Thanks to the Glorious Revolution and finacial ineptitude of the Honoverian square heads these gains came under the control of Parliament.

So no I dont buy the "well she earns more than we give her" line.

She doesnt earn anything we give it to her because her family were gangsters and for some reason that has been spun into some cozy 'icle fairytale.

Robbing reptilian bastards!!!

All land was taken by force at some time. You going to track down any surviving beaker people and give the land back? Also.

After the Glorious Revolution, Parliament retained under its own control the greater part of the temporary revenues, and relieved the sovereign of the cost of the naval and military services and the burden of the national debt. During the reigns of William III, Anne, George I and George II the sovereign remained responsible for the maintenance of the civil government and for the support of the royal household and dignity, being allowed for these purposes the hereditary revenues and certain taxes.[10]

As the state machinery expanded, the cost of the civil government exceeded the income from the Crown lands and feudal rights: this created a personal debt for the monarch.

On George III's accession he surrendered the income from the Crown lands to parliament, together with abrogating responsibility for the cost of the civil government and the clearance of associated debts. As a result, and in order to avoid pecuniary embarrassment, he was granted a fixed civil list payment and the income retained from the Duchy of Lancaster.[11] The King surrendered to parliamentary control the hereditary excise duties, post office revenues, and "the small branches" of hereditary revenue including rents of the Crown lands in England, (which amounted to about £11,000, or £1,602,331 today) and was granted a civil list annuity of £800,000 (equal to £116,533,174 today) for the support of his household, subject to the payment of certain annuities to members of the royal family.[11]

Although the King had retained large hereditary revenues, his income proved insufficient for his charged expenses because he used the privilege to reward supporters with bribes and gifts.[12] Debts amounting to over £3 million (equal to £200,886,522 today) over the course of George's reign were paid by parliament, and the civil list annuity was then increased from time to time.[13]

Do you think income form land now is less or more in real terms than in Hanoverian Britain? Take your time.

Madgrenade
8th July 12, 06:20 AM
All land was taken by force at some time. You going to track down any surviving beaker people and give the land back? Also.


Do you think income form land now is less or more in real terms than in Hanoverian Britain? Take your time.

Um is it the same? Depends on the weather? Depends on wages?

I have also figured out a way for technocrats to compete in the contest. They just genetically engineer a monster. So if we get two geneticist technocrats, each with their own monster then have a genetic ffreak monster death match. Obviously the scientist whos monster loses gets eaten by the Victors monster.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
8th July 12, 09:53 AM
All land was taken by force at some time. You going to track down any surviving beaker people and give the land back?

We dont need to Paliament has already confiscated it.



Do you think income form land now is less or more in real terms than in Hanoverian Britain? Take your time.

I dont know nor care.

Adouglasmhor
10th July 12, 02:16 PM
We dont need to Paliament has already confiscated it.

No it was not confiscated, it was exchanged for an annuity (the civil list), no civil list deal is off, 70% of which is spent on staff salaries and 5% on the garden parties, depreciation admin and ceremonial functions as well as transport come out of it too, it's not like it goes straight into her pocket.
Really if you really grudge your penny a week there are alternatives. Last I looked France and Ireland were republics and they are only a ferry journey away.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th July 12, 03:22 PM
Now now Doughie we all know its not her money anymore.

If you want to cling onto your fairy tale that's fine as long as you remember that she is the legacy of a ruthless dictatorship who is rich enough to pay her own bills.

Lollius Urbicus
10th July 12, 03:36 PM
Max is just annoyed that he's not the only queen in the UK.

Adouglasmhor
10th July 12, 03:53 PM
Now now Doughie we all know its not her money anymore.

If you want to cling onto your fairy tale that's fine as long as you remember that she is the legacy of a ruthless dictatorship who is rich enough to pay her own bills.

But the bills are for her work for the state, you seem to have a problem getting your head round the facts, think of them as a penor you may find it easier.

Feryk
10th July 12, 04:01 PM
You know Max has an over developed gag reflex.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th July 12, 05:16 PM
No I get it Dougie a 13,000,000 pound expenses account.

Madgrenade
10th July 12, 06:04 PM
This issue just isn't hardcore enough. Cullion is right we got bigger fish to fry. Or smaller fish depending how u look at it. The point is you can't have pudding unless you finish your mains.

Harpy
10th July 12, 08:32 PM
Madgrenade - we need splinter groups in society to take up these smaller issues too. In a way, it is the tin-foil brigade with their thermos and sandwiches that help us remember there is more out there than just what the government and media magnates play us with. It's not just children overboard, watching Kate's flat middle for baby alert and calling yout Prime Minister 'white trash', we need to look behind the sensationalism to find the dark roots in our midst.

Dr Faustus - I suggest you look into QEII's underwear, shoes, hats and saddle polish expenditure.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th July 12, 11:04 PM
I think you might be onto something!

Hedley LaMarr
10th July 12, 11:26 PM
After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that the monarchs of the UK are basically the people who play Mickey Mouse at Disney Land.

Adouglasmhor
11th July 12, 03:57 AM
No I get it Dougie a 13,000,000 pound expenses account.

Well done at least you spelled my name properly this time. Sounds a good deal to me.

on my mobile.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th July 12, 08:00 AM
Hey I smell just fine!

Spade: The Real Snake
11th July 12, 11:28 AM
Dr. Faugazz is just waiting for Harry to take him as his bride.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th July 12, 11:45 AM
^projection

Spade: The Real Snake
11th July 12, 11:54 AM
^^
Ginger Hunter

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th July 12, 12:27 PM
^^^
Camilla bare back rider

Commodore Pipes
11th July 12, 01:22 PM
Jesus, enough flirting already. Just fuck finally and cut the sexual tension, you two.

Feryk
11th July 12, 01:32 PM
Pipes likes to watch.

Commodore Pipes
11th July 12, 01:40 PM
Well, it's sexy, dude. I'm not ashamed. It's the 21st century. Let your freak flags fly.

Feryk
11th July 12, 01:41 PM
Now I know what to get you for your birthday.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th July 12, 02:25 PM
Jesus, enough flirting already. Just fuck finally and cut the sexual tension, you two.
It's not flirting, it's taunting.

Commodore Pipes
11th July 12, 02:27 PM
I hope you don't wind up like Borat's sister, then.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
11th July 12, 04:46 PM
He doesnt love me Pipesy.

|:'- (

Feryk
11th July 12, 05:19 PM
He's just using you. That's why Pipesy likes to watch.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
12th July 12, 09:19 AM
|:- (

I blame centuries of sexually repressive religious indoctrination!

Commodore Pipes
12th July 12, 11:15 AM
He's just using you. That's why Pipesy likes to watch.

That's only true if one of the particpants is the adult child of an alcoholic.

billy sol hurok
7th March 13, 05:03 PM
Yeah but nashinul hef-kare! (http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/07July/Pages/One-in-twenty-hospital-deaths-preventable.aspx)

Feryk
24th June 13, 05:42 PM
Try going back to the precinct after that one.

Cullion
24th June 13, 07:35 PM
If anybody made fun of him he'd probably be entitled to a week's sick leave and some kind of injury payment due to 'stress' in the modern day British police.

Spade: The Real Snake
24th June 13, 07:41 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/819015936/hE7FA8B77/

Cullion
25th June 13, 11:57 AM
So only ~34 percent of Britons age 18-25 believe in god or a spiritual power, the rest don't or don't know.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-youth-reject-religion/

British future looks brighter than I thought.

I'll bet U.S. numbers are way higher.

You do not yet fully understand the effect of having religious morality ripped away from people who aren't intelligent enough to figure out the same morals for themselves.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
25th June 13, 12:05 PM
It had to happen sooner or later.

Anyway its done great for Buckfast sales :D

Cullion
25th June 13, 12:20 PM
It didn't have to happen, and it won't last.

You think this is funny now, but you won't when some 'tarded variant of fundamentalist Islam fills the void.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
25th June 13, 12:30 PM
The masses will always yearn for discipline from a strong leader but slowly that mass is dwindling as we stride towards The Golden Dawn :D

Feryk
25th June 13, 12:32 PM
You do not yet fully understand the effect of having religious morality ripped away from people who aren't intelligent enough to figure out the same morals for themselves.

Yes he does. It's a place called 'Myrtle Manor'.

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/welcome-to-myrtle-manor

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
25th June 13, 03:16 PM
NicfLmpYuy8

Feryk
25th June 13, 04:31 PM
God's Loophole? Classic.

Harpy
25th June 13, 04:54 PM
Dr Max, NoB - Cullion is actually correct about this one. Though I will reword what the Doc said as "we needed this to happen" as opposed to "it had to happen". What is terrifying is that many academics and professionals sense it, can even connect much of the state of the world to this...however religion has become such a taboo topic that most do not raise it alongside the other (perceived as "legitimate") theories of why whatever system is failing.

Cullion
25th June 13, 05:35 PM
So, you are saying that these young folks who have rejected Christianity / religion will have a void they will fill with fundamentalist Islam?

That sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Your contact with British culture is mostly based on televisual fantasies and middle-class educated British people of the type who get jobs in American tech companies.

Those are not the people I am talking about. The people I'm talking about never consciously rejected religion after a process of dialectic. Once upon a time they were told to be religious by authority figures who scared them with supernatural stories about what would happen if they stole and panhandled for a living, or plopped out children left right and centre without staying around to raise them or contribute to their sustenance.

Now they are not.



Hmm. France, Germany, Norway, Sweden all have 20 percent plus "belief in neither a spirit, god, nor life force"

Canada has had polls with 30 percent.

All of these countries seem to be doing OK.

And yet, if the welfare systems of those countries were imposed upon you, you would be mortified. The things you'd be forced to support with your new tax rates would instinctively seem immoral to you. You occasionally express annoyance with the way American welfare systems support slothful, self-indulgent lifestyles. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Look, read Theodore Dalrymple on the subject, he's a better writer than me. This is an excellent, perceptive analysis of what is going wrong in the secular paradise you imagine the UK to be:-

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_oh_to_be.html

Cullion
26th June 13, 11:15 AM
There are still some beautiful landscapes left in England, despite how crowded it is, and you won't have to look too hard to find the kind of buildings your ancestors lived in, still in use as homes and public buildings. I haven't yet met an American of English ancestry who actually feels like the place is recognisable as 'home' in any sense when they live here though.

Let me know when you come and I'll take you out for a good meal and try and point out some historical stuff in the areas I know.

The 'poverty of spirit' Theodore Dalrymple mentions in that article is a relatively new thing. I think it's partly the result of the enfeebling welfare state he's talking about, but the loss of religious faith, and hence the grassroots social support and reinforcement of public morality, that it can provide is also part of it, I think.

Theodore (real name Anthony Daniels) is an atheist, but I think he'd agree with my point there, you don't have to believe that the claims of a religion are literally true, to see that they often act as a social glue. Having most of the population believe that they are personally accountable for upholding right and wrong, and the wellbeing of the people around them, has an enlivening effect on a society that I just don't think you can duplicate with purely rational education and bureaucratic welfare institutions.

Feryk
26th June 13, 12:01 PM
So are you saying that atheism should only be a philosophy for wealthy, educated people?

Or are you saying another version of 'religion is the opiate of the masses'?

Because I would agree. Religion has been used as a means of social control for millenia. Without it, and without another moral precept to replace it, you will lose social cohesion. This is not new, but I didn't realize it was happening on such a large scale in England.

AAAAAA
26th June 13, 12:36 PM
Fascinating article. I didn't know your welfare was so powerful and well financed.
Around here it's like virtual welfare; "getting a flat"? more like, being on a list for a flat, maybe 8-10 years wait, meanwhile good luck.

An observation though, the article makes the point of Indian immigrants, whose drive and dignity comes from strong family bonds and peer pressure, and a culture that knows true poverty; religion is part of that culture but it can't be said if it's a consequence or a causation.

Same thing for the biblical values; maybe they lose appeal exactly because of this state of things, where poverty of spirit is created by material circumstances and so no religion, or other moral compasses such as familiar or cultural or even individual experiences, can happen and take meaning.

Wouldn't many of these people be better off employed in a national industry of the pre-Thatcher sort, using the money that's now spent buying them fucking TVs so they don't complain, to cover the lack of competitiveness instead?

Üser Friendly
26th June 13, 01:36 PM
I'm all for a work for welfare kind of scheme

Feryk
26th June 13, 02:04 PM
A 'New Deal' anyone?

Adouglasmhor
26th June 13, 02:14 PM
The problem with the pre Thatcher Nationalised industries was the massive sense of entitlement of their workforces, the culture of turn up and you get paid whether you work or not, large scale thieving, endless hand out for subsidies, meant it was broken beyond repair.

Feryk
26th June 13, 02:18 PM
So, the solution is a massive public works project with welfare state sponsored labor camps?

AAAAAA
26th June 13, 03:43 PM
The problem with the pre Thatcher Nationalised industries was the massive sense of entitlement of their workforces, the culture of turn up and you get paid whether you work or not, large scale thieving, endless hand out for subsidies, meant it was broken beyond repair.

You just described something quite familiar.

Üser Friendly
26th June 13, 04:37 PM
Hey Creativo, does Italy still have national service?

Cullion
26th June 13, 06:55 PM
So are you saying that atheism should only be a philosophy for wealthy, educated people?

Yes. And maybe not even then.

AAAAAA
27th June 13, 02:46 AM
Hey Creativo, does Italy still have national service?

No, they cut it in 2005.

Cullion
27th June 13, 03:17 AM
So you would enforce / encourage religion via the government?

We already have an official state religion in the UK (that's what the Church of England is. That is the denomination that conducts all the royal weddings and the coronation ceremonies when we get a new monarch), as do most of the other European monarchies.
It almost always has the exact opposite effect to the one intended.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th June 13, 07:53 AM
Having an official religion and actively encouraging church attendance, etc. through incentives or punishment are two different things. What would you change?

Well, if everyone were rewarded with a kung-fu movie for attending worship, England would be stronger with an Army of Cullion.

Cullion
27th June 13, 10:32 AM
Having an official religion and actively encouraging church attendance, etc. through incentives or punishment are two different things. What would you change?

I would stop trying to impose atheism as the unofficial state religion. I would stop rewarding people for flouting basic tenets of traditional morality which make them a burden on everybody else. I would punish lying and stealing, for real.

Üser Friendly
27th June 13, 01:25 PM
I would stop trying to impose atheism as the unofficial state religion. I would stop rewarding people for flouting basic tenets of traditional morality which make them a burden on everybody else. I would punish lying and stealing, for real.

Lying and stealing at all levels

It seems the more money you steal, and the bigger lies you tell the less likely you are to pay a proportional price

Üser Friendly
27th June 13, 01:29 PM
No, they cut it in 2005.

How did it work out, and have you noticed a change in society since it was cut?

Feryk
27th June 13, 04:46 PM
Lying and stealing at all levels

It seems the more money you steal, and the bigger lies you tell the less likely you are to pay a proportional price

I think that if you are going to take Cullion's advice and only allow a select class of people the atheist philosophy, you should also allow them to lie and steal. Why not?

The concept of egalitarian societies has pretty much been disproven. There is no utopian state. Ergo, there will always be a 'ruling class'. How and who these people are can be changed, and we can argue the efficacy of a meritocracy versus feudal systems, etc.

But the Ruling Class requires some privilege. And lying to the masses has certainly been one of them historically.

Üser Friendly
27th June 13, 04:59 PM
Fair enough, but they must expect the odd revelution from time to time

Adouglasmhor
27th June 13, 05:14 PM
We already have an official state religion in the UK (that's what the Church of England is. That is the denomination that conducts all the royal weddings and the coronation ceremonies when we get a new monarch), as do most of the other European monarchies.
It almost always has the exact opposite effect to the one intended.

Not quite, CofE is only the state religion in England, not in Wales,NI or Scotland (which all have no state religion),and the Royal Wedding before last was in a Church of Scotland in Edinburgh.

AAAAAA
27th June 13, 05:51 PM
How did it work out, and have you noticed a change in society since it was cut?

At first it was a potent factor of societal blending and a proclamation of central authority in a country like Italy, with hundreds of strong local cultures.

Lately the military didn't really have the resources or the will to give real training to such a mass of people yearly anymore, and many were choosing civil service anyways. I did the latter also because of the former, after hearing the tales of my friend who went in first in the Alpini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpini) (where I was headed too).

I think it's too soon to see a big difference, I can't pinpoint a specific change. Society's less cohesive and there's more rage. Maybe if them young people have no respect anymore, it's also because they couldn't be scolded with "You'll have to go under someday, that'll straighten you!" when misbehaving while growing up.

Cullion
27th June 13, 05:57 PM
I think that if you are going to take Cullion's advice and only allow a select class of people the atheist philosophy

I said I wasn't necessarily going to grant it to them either.

Cullion
27th June 13, 06:09 PM
Not quite, CofE is only the state religion in England, not in Wales,NI or Scotland (which all have no state religion),and the Royal Wedding before last was in a Church of Scotland in Edinburgh.

Scotland has it's own official church, we all share a monarch who is head of the Anglican church as one of their official duties and Wales just doesn't count.

Adouglasmhor
28th June 13, 01:01 AM
Scotland has it's own official church, we all share a monarch who is head of the Anglican church as one of their official duties and Wales just doesn't count.
Contrary to rumour, Scotland either doesn't or has 2,after the War of the 3 Kingdoms/English Civil War cycle (which al started because the Crown tried to impose Anglican practices on the Presbyterians) the Church of Scotland and The Scottish Episcopal Church agreed that neither would claim that role, they thought that would be a better solution than 12 years of war and 21 years of unrest. The Church of Scotland was not officially given its recognised status by the government until 1921 and they also still use the Westminster confession of faith used by the Parliamentarians in the Commonwealth period.
Some official sources say CofS is the state religion in Scotland, but the Kirk itself vigorously refute this. Separation of Temporal and Spiritual Authority being a Presbyterian ideal.

Feryk
28th June 13, 01:45 PM
I said I wasn't necessarily going to grant it to them either.

Well, unless you are going to outlaw it, SOMEBODY will have to be able to become atheist.

Cullion
28th June 13, 02:24 PM
There's a big difference between allowing something and recommending it.

Feryk
28th June 13, 02:54 PM
There's a big difference between allowing something and recommending it.

Sure, but philosophies have this way of spreading once enough people adopt them.

Feryk
28th June 13, 04:34 PM
I guess you are planning on getting ordained then.

Üser Friendly
29th June 13, 02:53 AM
Atheism isn't the new opium for the people, reality TV is

AAAAAA
29th June 13, 09:01 AM
Atheism isn't the new opium for the people, reality TV is

the internet is way more powerful as a narcotic I'd say.

Üser Friendly
29th June 13, 10:02 AM
I could quit the internet any time I want, I just don't want to

Cullion
29th June 13, 02:37 PM
Wouldn't many of these people be better off employed in a national industry of the pre-Thatcher sort, using the money that's now spent buying them fucking TVs so they don't complain, to cover the lack of competitiveness instead?

a) Subsidising ones own industries for purposes like this is illegal under all kinds of international treaties the UK has signed up to (usually without any real democratic consent)

b) It's usually more expensive to keep somebody on a lower-middle class wage with a pension in a loss-making nationalised industry than it is to let them go to seed watching daytime TV on a subsistence-welfare income. We tried this from the end of WWII until the late 70s and the cost of it bankrupted the country and had us running to the IMF for a bailout.

'New' Labour attempted something similar to what you're suggesting by massively expanding public sector employment (rather than re-nationalising private industries), and paying for it with off-balance sheet debt rather than direct taxation, and it almost bankrupted us again.

The profit-making sector of the UK has been creating new jobs, but the problem is that people who actually have to make a profit to stay in business would usually rather hire a hard working, polite and physically strong 20 year old eastern european immigrant than somebody who has been unemployed for a decade or more and has a long list of medical, psychological and/or legal problems.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
24th July 13, 04:39 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002459_639609456063790_992300868_n.jpg

billy sol hurok
24th July 13, 07:05 AM
Down with that sort of thing!

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
24th July 13, 07:07 AM
In other news....

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1069242_10151463492511580_729667451_n.jpg

billy sol hurok
24th July 13, 08:26 AM
And still OTHER news:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPzYMWBCEAEv75-.jpg:large

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
24th July 13, 10:31 AM
http://imgur.com/1QdUq9A

Feryk
8th August 13, 11:43 AM
Fucking Colbert.

Funny as hell, that guy.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
22nd June 14, 11:00 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10455643_10152223663747914_6451259200955632573_n.j pg

Cullion
22nd June 14, 02:42 PM
I no longer support the monarchy in it's current form.

OZZ
22nd June 14, 03:22 PM
So what reformations do you think are in order, Cull ?
Do the Royals really live off the taxpayers or does the family have sufficient assets/investments of their own that reap annual profits which support them financially ?
How bad is it, really ?

Cullion
22nd June 14, 04:37 PM
So what reformations do you think are in order, Cull ?
Do the Royals really live off the taxpayers or does the family have sufficient assets/investments of their own that reap annual profits which support them financially ?
How bad is it, really ?

They live off a mix of taxpayer subsidy and investments accrued due to their status in earlier centuries. It's all inherited wealth and it's not inherited from great inventors or the like. The Queen's personal wealth has links to the chinese opium trade of the 19th century, for example.

I still think we need a monarch, but we should return to the ancient saxon system where the village headmen of Englande choose him.

And it does need to be a 'him', except in the direst of emergencies. Then it has to be a mad warrior queen, like Margaret Thatcher.

Adouglasmhor
23rd June 14, 01:08 AM
They live off a mix of taxpayer subsidy and investments accrued due to their status in earlier centuries. It's all inherited wealth and it's not inherited from great inventors or the like. The Queen's personal wealth has links to the chinese opium trade of the 19th century, for example.

I still think we need a monarch, but we should return to the ancient saxon system where the village headmen of Englande choose him.

And it does need to be a 'him', except in the direst of emergencies. Then it has to be a mad warrior queen, like Margaret Thatcher.

Also bring in older traditions, after 7 years the old king fights for his life against the new king. Tickets, cable etc, sold as income source worldwide.

Cullion
23rd June 14, 01:49 AM
Alfred the Great was elected iirc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witenagemot

I think the House of Lords should be reformed to reduce the number of retired politicians and increase the number of random eccentrics, and the monarch should chosen at a Witengamot held on the lawn outside parliament. Televised.

Obviously, it can't be purely Saxon in modern Britain so we should probably pick the bits we like from the celtic Brehon law too. And drop the requirement that the monarch be a white protestant.

We should probably move court back to York to give the northern economy a bit of a boost.

Feryk
23rd June 14, 01:02 PM
Alfred the Great was elected iirc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witenagemot

I think the House of Lords should be reformed to reduce the number of retired politicians and increase the number of random eccentrics, and the monarch should chosen at a Witengamot held on the lawn outside parliament. Televised.

Obviously, it can't be purely Saxon in modern Britain so we should probably pick the bits we like from the celtic Brehon law too. And drop the requirement that the monarch be a white protestant.

We should probably move court back to York to give the northern economy a bit of a boost.

I can't see any of this happening. From what I can see almost half of the population of Britain would rather do away with the monarchy altogether. I doubt they would be open to what you are proposing.

Robot Jesus
23rd June 14, 01:45 PM
I maintain my support for the one true king, Harry Ladykiller.

Cullion
23rd June 14, 03:48 PM
From what I can see almost half of the population of Britain would rather do away with the monarchy altogether. I doubt they would be open to what you are proposing.

Most polls in the UK still show a clear majority in favour of keeping the monarchy, but yes, most of them would consider me a crank.

tbh I wasn't planning on putting it to a vote.

Hedley LaMarr
24th June 14, 11:22 AM
Alfred the Great was elected iirc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witenagemot

I think the House of Lords should be reformed to reduce the number of retired politicians and increase the number of random eccentrics, and the monarch should chosen at a Witengamot held on the lawn outside parliament. Televised.

Obviously, it can't be purely Saxon in modern Britain so we should probably pick the bits we like from the celtic Brehon law too. And drop the requirement that the monarch be a white protestant.

We should probably move court back to York to give the northern economy a bit of a boost.
You're going to regret this when John Barrowman becomes King.

Adouglasmhor
24th June 14, 03:55 PM
Alfred the Great was elected iirc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witenagemot

I think the House of Lords should be reformed to reduce the number of retired politicians and increase the number of random eccentrics, and the monarch should chosen at a Witengamot held on the lawn outside parliament. Televised.

Obviously, it can't be purely Saxon in modern Britain so we should probably pick the bits we like from the celtic Brehon law too. And drop the requirement that the monarch be a white protestant.

We should probably move court back to York to give the northern economy a bit of a boost.

There's no need for them to be white in the current legislation.

Adouglasmhor
24th June 14, 03:56 PM
You're going to regret this when John Barrowman becomes Queen.

Feryk
24th June 14, 04:01 PM
tbh I wasn't planning on putting it to a vote.

Ah, so this is AFTER the coup that you are going to stage. Got it.

Adouglasmhor
26th August 14, 03:34 PM
The one called That's life - saw it in Aldi today, one of the stories on the cover was "My brother raped me when I was in labour - this time he went too far". Classy.

AAAAAA
27th August 14, 03:33 AM
But that's not news, it's just entertainment right?
Asking about the tabloids, not the sister rape.

Cullion
28th August 14, 05:17 AM
Note: The town where that happened had this monster as it's Mayor, then Member of Parliament for years:-

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1434303.ece/alternates/s615/Cyril%20Smith%20Liberal%20MP%20for%20Rochdale%20La ncs%20posing%20to%20show%20off%20his%20enormous%20 girth

He used to like punishing and raping little boys. A real enthusiast. The local police are obviously rotten to the core.

Political colleagues, the secret service and senior police chiefs are now known to have helped cover up his.. tastes.. for some years, with the pretext of not wanting to undermine the public's faith in the system. Friends with Jimmy Saville, of course.

This is not a race issue. And it goes higher, I'm sure of it.

Adouglasmhor
28th August 14, 06:17 PM
Note: The town where that happened had this monster as it's Mayor, then Member of Parliament for years:-

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1434303.ece/alternates/s615/Cyril%20Smith%20Liberal%20MP%20for%20Rochdale%20La ncs%20posing%20to%20show%20off%20his%20enormous%20 girth

He used to like punishing and raping little boys. A real enthusiast. The local police are obviously rotten to the core.

Political colleagues, the secret service and senior police chiefs are now known to have helped cover up his.. tastes.. for some years, with the pretext of not wanting to undermine the public's faith in the system. Friends with Jimmy Saville, of course.

This is not a race issue. And it goes higher, I'm sure of it.
Are you not confusing Rochdale and Rotherham?

OZZ
28th August 14, 06:26 PM
Dear Lord, if that guy doesn't look like a prototypical 'affluent diddler' I don't know who does.
Creepy..very, very creepy.

OZZ
28th August 14, 06:28 PM
Seriously, he looks like something out of a damn horror movie.
In fact, he is exactly how I envision Stephen King's diddler High School VP character in his novel Great Expectations.

Cullion
28th August 14, 06:35 PM
Are you not confusing Rochdale and Rotherham?

Doh, you're right. They're an hour's drive apart. There's so much child rape going on here in Rapeistan, it's hard to keep track of who is raping who sometimes.

There was a separate 'asian men grooming vulnerable white girls' scandal in Rochdale (where fat Cyril above did a lot of his rape as MP) in 2012.

Still, you can't rely on the public officials to investigate paedophile rings in the UK properly. It's not just a PC/racial thing.

In Oxford there were young asian men doing this at the very same time as a paedophile ring was operating amongst white teachers at an Oxford school.

The ring of white teachers was brought to justice by a muslim teacher. Only the local asian gang got any attention in the local and national press though.

OZZ
11th September 14, 10:30 AM
So what about this vote for Scottish independence ?
What do the Brits on this thread think are the prospects of a 'yes' vote, and what are the implications ?

Feryk
11th September 14, 10:55 AM
Yes, Quebec is watching this VERY closely.

Üser Friendly
11th September 14, 01:48 PM
Scotland shoulds ally with ireland and Wales

Feryk
11th September 14, 04:15 PM
And do what, exactly?

Spade: The Real Snake
11th September 14, 06:49 PM
And do what, exactly?
Fight over whom gets to fuck the sheep, first.

resolve
11th September 14, 06:55 PM
We all know Britain will get the Prima Nocta rights to that though...

nihilist
11th September 14, 09:05 PM
The Lord is my shepherd...




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Adouglasmhor
12th September 14, 11:24 AM
We all know Britain will get the Prima Nocta rights to that though...

Scotland and Wales are part of Britain, that doesn't change no matter the result.

Üser Friendly
12th September 14, 11:58 AM
And do what, exactly?

Poke fun at England?

Spade: The Real Snake
12th September 14, 03:09 PM
Get Poked In The Bum, By England?

Pie of Hate
12th September 14, 05:50 PM
The last time they poked fun at England, they got properly WTFPWND.

So far tho; I have yet to hear a good argument either way.

If they stay: nothing changes (apart from browns promises. And he's a dick)

If they go: Trouble over currency, E.U. ain't bothered blah, blah, blah.

All I can can say is:-

We gave India independence, and now we cant even block their call centres.

Jockland is too close to home to be autonomous... And we can't understand them either.

Cullion
12th September 14, 06:05 PM
So what about this vote for Scottish independence ?
What do the Brits on this thread think are the prospects of a 'yes' vote, and what are the implications ?

It seems to be that the odds slightly favour a yes vote, depending on the poll you read. This is a recent development after a long period where they all showed a majority against.

The implications aren't clear because the independence campaign hasn't announced a lot of deep detail regarding what they'll do if they win.

One or two Edinburgh based financial institutions have threatened to move their HQs to London if Scotland becomes independent. There's argument about exactly how much oil and gas are left in the North Sea fields. If we're supposed to have separate militaries, it's not clear how that will work. It's not clear if an independent Scotland will become a republic or keep the Queen as head of state.

Pie of Hate
12th September 14, 06:15 PM
If you believe Salmand, Sweatysockland will be an overnight success, with every European nation trying to get them in the fold.

The "No" side has already pointed out whom owns the north sea resources (reliable source?).

I can see a devolved Scotland doing well... An independent Scotland I can see failing and asking for a bailout.

Adouglasmhor
13th September 14, 09:06 AM
Salmond and Sturgeon used $113 as the base price for Brent crude it's dropped to $97 their figures are fucked. Norway who separatists have used as an example of a successful small nation used $85 for their predictions they are fine and dandy.

Cullion
13th September 14, 04:32 PM
Honestly, if Scottish people want independence good luck to them. I just hope we keep an open border and friendlier terms. Politics I don't care so much about, but I do think it's sad that the anti-English feeling is so strong with some scottish people that English people are nervous about moving to Scotland in case their kids get bullied at school etc..

Feryk
16th September 14, 10:35 AM
Same shit in Canada, except our separatists speak French. Generally these independence votes come down to bribery. They want special treatment, and as of this morning, your government is willing to give it to them.

resolve
18th September 14, 05:35 AM
I still find it funny that the "Former United Kingdom" was actually put forward as the official name of the remnants.

The FUK?

OZZ
18th September 14, 10:30 AM
I was reading an article this morning over breakfast concerning the whole separation issue and its repercussions should a YES vote prevail.
As we all know, Canada and other nations dealing with separatist movements are watching this very closely and silently praying for a NO vote.
Spain is hoping for a NO vote as well, you can be sure of that.
If the Scots are no longer part of the UK, it will effectively diminish the United Kingdom's official population numbers by about 4 million or so ?
With a seat on the UN and a stub of an island as their biggest land claim, one of the issues under discussion is how an independent Scotland and a diminished UK will play a role in other nations aspirations towards obtaining a more powerful seated position at the 'big table' of the United Nations.
India, with a population much larger than the UK and growing economic clout, will be hoping that any weakening of the UK will bolster their prospects of becoming a veto-powered member of the UN.
Also of note, GB's largest nuclear submarine base is in Scottish waters, and word is that the nationalist's want it out asap if they gain independence.

Feryk
18th September 14, 10:36 AM
If they vote 'Yes' and become independent, then there will be a whole pile of shit like that to negotiate. It won't happen overnight, and the Scots will realize that England's incentive to help them got a lot smaller.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
19th September 14, 09:54 AM
Well the 'No' vote won it.

According to The Sun (the most reputable source of facts & tits available in the UK) the majority of women voted no & the majority of men voted yes. I wonder how true that is?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
21st September 14, 12:53 PM
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Cullion
21st September 14, 01:51 PM
The No vote was apparently heavily skewed towards the elderly. Dunno if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
21st September 14, 02:56 PM
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Adouglasmhor
21st September 14, 03:12 PM
I love how an wife beating American drunk of known anti semitic,and misogynistic views is the person people think of as the embodiment of Scotland.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
21st September 14, 03:41 PM
I know so fitting isnt it!

Cullion
21st September 14, 04:33 PM
I love how an wife beating American drunk of known anti semitic,and misogynistic views is the person people think of as the embodiment of Scotland.

I always think of the retired copper who lived next door when I was growing up. He claimed to have had close encounters with several UFOs, and his English wife mixed weird cocktails. He was actually called Jock.

nihilist
21st September 14, 05:19 PM
Sure it wasn't Jacques?


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Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
21st September 14, 06:49 PM
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/captions/salmond_darling.jpg

Adouglasmhor
22nd September 14, 01:14 AM
http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/9773-bbc-george-square-reports-challenged-by-images-and-eye-witness-accounts

Was well away from this but at one point I was looking at letting some people crash at mine because they couldn't get back across the city to where they live.

AAAAAA
22nd September 14, 03:20 AM
http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/9773-bbc-george-square-reports-challenged-by-images-and-eye-witness-accounts

Was well away from this but at one point I was looking at letting some people crash at mine because they couldn't get back across the city to where they live.

Wow, I didn't think you'd have this kind of problems in Glasgow, the "English minority" is particularly angry it seems?

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
22nd September 14, 08:16 AM
Its a secterian thing, its been a problem in Glasgow for a long time.

Syntactical Disruptorize
22nd September 14, 09:46 AM
I love how an wife beating American drunk of known anti semitic,and misogynistic views is the person people think of as the embodiment of Scotland.
I'm gonna put him on Australia, despite the facts.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
22nd September 14, 10:21 AM
All colonials look the same to us.

Üser Friendly
22nd September 14, 03:33 PM
I wonder if Ireland would have voted for independance

Certainly pre the 1916 Easter Rising many people had a vested intrest in keeping in the union due to pensions etc

it was Englands crack down on the Fenians, in the form of executions and intorducing the Black and Tans that fermented popular support for the IRA

Adouglasmhor
23rd September 14, 12:38 AM
Its a secterian thing, its been a problem in Glasgow for a long time.

West of Scotland = Ulster Lite. It's worse in some of the small towns. When we were house hunting Phil kept finding nice houses in areas with an active "loyalist" reputation. I kept rejecting them. I eventually had to tell her that we could move there but she would have to change her name as her Irish name would make us targets for sectarianism.

Üser Friendly
3rd December 14, 02:29 PM
UK and Germany trying software that track criminals and incidents and predict crime based on facebook posts, etc.

Minority Report!!!

http://www.nerdoholic24.com/etc/predicting-crimes-happen-berlin-police/

More like Idiot Net!!!

Feryk
5th December 14, 11:29 AM
That's the 'before' pic, where's the 'after'?

Cullion
6th December 14, 06:56 AM
We used to be so fucking good at spreading democracy and civilisation. Modern London is like this weird high-tech trade hub that's sprouted up recently in the ruins of some grand ancient civilisation's old capital.

I don't think Modern British people are recognisably from the same culture as the people who built those grand arches and viaducts, domed palaces and ancient banks. It's a bit like how a saxon might have felt wandering around the ruins of a romano-british city, except there are people alive today who can still remember the last days of that culture.

A lot of British people are deluded, and they don't fully understand that those times are gone.

resolve
7th December 14, 02:37 AM
You need to start a blog Cullion.

Cullion
7th December 14, 01:10 PM
Maybe I should. It would help me at work to get better at forming concise, grammar & spell-checked arguments in essay form.

Üser Friendly
8th December 14, 01:33 AM
Blog title...

"Why you are wrong"

Feryk
8th December 14, 02:07 PM
Maybe I should. It would help me at work to get better at forming concise, grammar & spell-checked arguments in essay form.

I'd read it.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th December 14, 02:16 PM
You need to start a blog Cullion.
He already has one, under the penname of "Truculent Sheep".

Feryk
8th December 14, 03:43 PM
I seriously doubt Cullion is that worked up about HR people. That's TS's latest blog post.

Cullion
8th December 14, 05:06 PM
I am not Truculent Sheep. I am just not that angry or disappointed with life.

Harpy
8th December 14, 06:40 PM
Yes poppet. Now lower your drawers.

Robot Jesus
8th December 14, 06:48 PM
how does tea work in Britannia?

Harpy
8th December 14, 11:29 PM
For god sakes do NOT Google "crumpet strap-on"!

nihilist
9th December 14, 10:47 AM
For god sakes do NOT Google "crumpet strap-on"!

Translation: Google "crumpet strap on".


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Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
9th December 14, 01:46 PM
By refusing to believe that it doesnt really exist.

Feryk
9th December 14, 04:47 PM
Not to mention having nothing worth taking.

Robot Jesus
9th December 14, 04:52 PM
leeks?

Feryk
9th December 14, 04:57 PM
Definite invasion material.

Cullion
9th December 14, 05:27 PM
Wales took control of England when the Tudors won the war of the Roses. The Tudor line originated in Wales and the word 'Tudor' is an anglicisation of 'Tudur'.

Ever since they've been subsidised by English taxpayers to live in idyllic countryside with access to a large portion of the little bit of decent sandy beachfront the UK has, drinking cheap beer and enjoying Rugby. Getting a job is optional in Wales.

AAAAAA
9th December 14, 05:56 PM
Wales took control of England when the Tudors won the war of the Roses. The Tudor line originated in Wales and the word 'Tudor' is an anglicisation of 'Tudur'.

Ever since they've been subsidised by English taxpayers to live in idyllic countryside with access to a large portion of the little bit of decent sandy beachfront the UK has, drinking cheap beer and enjoying Rugby. Getting a job is optional in Wales.

So they basically won forever? I can see why an Englishman would be resenting them.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
10th December 14, 06:20 AM
They owe us. No Tudors no British Empire.

Üser Friendly
10th December 14, 12:54 PM
Name change to 'Dr Sheep Shagga' plse thx

Feryk
10th December 14, 03:35 PM
Name change to 'Dr Sheep Shagga' plse thx

Pot meet kettle.

Üser Friendly
12th December 14, 08:52 AM
^Clearly does not know the difference between sheep and goats

Learn zoology!

nihilist
12th December 14, 10:31 AM
Pignorance is bliss.


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