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OZZ
27th December 11, 05:58 PM
Two more NHL players out this week..
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=383570

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=383567

There is definitely a knee-jerk reaction going on in hockey right now. With the NHL's biggest name and (arguably) best hockey player's career in jeopardy., the panic button has officially been pushed and two or three player a week are being diagnosed with 'concussion-like symptoms'. Headaches ?
Do we need to change hockey helmets so they support the neck ?
I'm at a fucking loss here, look at the list of players who are out right now or have been out recently with concussion issues:
Marc Savard ( career officially over)
Chris Pronger
Sidney Crosby
Shea Weber
John Michael Liles
Claude Giroux
Milan Mihalek
Simon Gagne
Ryan Miller
This is just off the top of my head.

How does Football deal with this shit ?
MMA ? Surely a good GNP is enough to concuss someone. When is the epidemic going to sweep the UFC ?
Don't think for a second that the doctors, along with less well intentioned pansy-ass groups with an agenda, won't come after other sports too and start blowing the concussion whistle.
Boxers aren't allowed to fight for a minimum of 90 days after sustaining a KO..

Input..people, input plz.

EDIT : here's my post out of the hockey thread from a few weeks ago. It sums up my views on the concussion issue in hockey.

The rash of concussions , or, more accurately stated, the rash of players on the shelf with concussion-like symptoms, has me wondering : Has the league gone too far with this concussion thing?
Along with Crosby, Giroux, and Pronger..now we can add two more premiere players to the list
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382737
It seems like two players a day are being taken out of the lineup with concussion-like symptoms. Are the trainers pushing the panic button a bit fast and pulling guys out unnecessarily? Perhaps not, but it makes you wonder when every time you watch the sports news someone else is out with ' concussion-like symptoms '. Notice the terminology, nobody wants to say concussion unless it is a virtual certainty that the player is going to be out for an extended period of time. So if a player has a headache, is this reason enough to pull him out of the lineup?
I don't want guys getting hurt and I'm all for player safety..but you have to question whether some of the trainers/team doctors are being a bit overcautious.
The weird thing about this latest rash of injuries is that three of them were freak accidents (Crosby, Giroux and Michalek) where two players on the same team collided with one another.
The game is being played at such a fast pace now and the players are so strong and athletic its a virtual certainty that when two guys hit each other at full speed, one of them or both of them is going to get their bell rung.
The movement is on to get the players back to wearing softer shoulder and elbow pads like they had in the old days. But that is only half of the solution. The nature of the game has changed so much since the lockout that we have to start looking at other things as well.
Here's one suggestion the panel on TSN was rapping about the other day that I agree with - get rid of the trapezoid rule and start letting goalies handle the puck behind the red line again. This will cut down on the number of injuries sustained by players colliding at the end boards after racing for the puck. When goalies can play the puck up the ice, there isn't as much smashing and crashing behind the net after a dump-in.
Another thing, and this really has nothing to do with the 'new game', so to speak, but its long overdue - institute the no-touch icing so we don't have these races for the puck where guys smash into the boards at full speed. The potential 'excitement' such a play creates is not worth the terrible injuries some players are sustaining.
With so many high-profile players out at once for the same thing, you can't help but take notice and one has to start asking questions about the severity and nature of these 'concussion-like symptoms'.
Another question that needs asking - are players who may be on the bubble and a bad game or three away from being sent to the minors as likely to report 'concussion-like symptoms' to the team's trainers and/or doctors as players with a healthy salary whose roster spot is assured ?
Something to think about.


But I want to hear about other sports I am less familiar with and how the concussion issue is/has been addressed .

Ajamil
27th December 11, 06:05 PM
NPR said NFL players are suing (four of them), accusing the league of misrepresenting or outright lying about the dangers and long-term effects. They've added a new policy whereby a trainer is at hand in the booth to watch the game and advise team medical staff. Other than that, nothing.

I would say it's less a threat in MMA because while a good punch or GNP will knock the head around it isn't as repeatedly collided against like a head in a professional football or hockey helmet.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th December 11, 06:37 PM
oddly enough, you have a pro-rassler to thank
http://www.chrisnowinski.com/

NoBowie
27th December 11, 06:38 PM
The way hockey players break out into fights at the slightest provocation and how the refs let the fights go on for a bit doesn't garner any sympathy from me.

Let them all be defacto tards upon retirement. Serves 'em right.

OZZ
27th December 11, 10:29 PM
The way hockey players break out into fights at the slightest provocation and how the refs let the fights go on for a bit doesn't garner any sympathy from me.

Let them all be defacto tards upon retirement. Serves 'em right.

Most of the concussions in hockey are the result of bodychecks, not fights.

AAAAAA
28th December 11, 11:28 AM
Full contact sports at professional level cause injuries, who would have thunk that.

They need fucking ARMORS just to survive in the field and they complain they can get hurt anyway? Come on.

OZZ
28th December 11, 11:45 AM
That's not the point here.

OZZ
28th December 11, 11:46 AM
oddly enough, you have a pro-rassler to thank
http://www.chrisnowinski.com/

Good link..thanks Snake.

Lollius Urbicus
28th December 11, 12:11 PM
Rugby has put a massive amount of work into concussion.

Here's the IRB's comprehensive concussion guidance document. The IRB is the global governing body and this document must be implemented into individual union's procedures from the lowest to highest level i.e from Sunday -10s through to national premier league matches.

IRB Concussion Guidance (http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/index.php?documentid=3)

Specifically, you'll probably be interested in the GRTP - Graduated Return To Play protocol.

Here's the model for when a player is under medical supervision
http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/images/documents/Concussion_GRTP_Doc_EN.jpg

For when not under medical supervision, children and adolescents have to get medical clearance to return to play.

http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/images/documents/Concussion_GRTP_No_Doc_EN.jpg

There's also a table of concussion modifiers that affect this protocol contained within the guidance document with mitigating factors such as age, severity of incident and frequency of concussion.

When I was playing school boy Rugby there was a 3 strikes and out rule, whereby if you had 3 concussions in a season that was it. You couldn't play again. I don't know if that was an RFU or league rule, there's nothing about it in the IRB guidelines.

OZZ
28th December 11, 12:17 PM
That's the kind of input I'm looking for.
Thanks Lolli..

Lollius Urbicus
28th December 11, 01:01 PM
No worries.

I pulled off the SCAT (lol) documents as well, because you might not have noticed them as they're tucked away on a side panel.

http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/pdfs/SCAT2_EN.pdf
(http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/pdfs/SCAT2_EN.pdf)
http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/pdfs/Pocket_SCAT2_EN.pdf
(http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/pdfs/Pocket_SCAT2_EN.pdf)
By the looks of things though these are already part of Ice hockey seeing as the international ice hockey federation logo is on both documents.

danno
29th December 11, 04:22 AM
concussions are srs bsns. i think that there isn't nearly enough done about it at every level, from children to pros.

i don't believe in softening sports, adding armour and changing the rules. but when an athlete sustains a concussion they need to recover fully before returning to the sport. if you don't do that, the effects are much worse in the long term.

brain injury causes a lot more suffering than most people realise.

OZZ
29th December 11, 07:35 PM
Anyone here ever had a concussion ?
I've sustained two..both of them classified as minor by the doc. One in a motorcycle crash and the other in a bar fight.
I've experienced no serious long-term effects.
I may have had a third one that wasn't diagnosed from boxing. I remember having headaches for about a month off and on after a really tough match with this black dude from Kingston.
Anyways, danno..the point you raise about coming back too soon is a BIG issue. You need to be completely healed. A lot of hockey players just dealt with the symptoms and played though it - only to get their bell rung again and then they end up being out for much longer.

NoBowie
29th December 11, 11:14 PM
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Ajamil
30th December 11, 12:23 AM
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Robot Jesus
30th December 11, 09:34 AM
The way hockey players break out into fights at the slightest provocation and how the refs let the fights go on for a bit doesn't garner any sympathy from me.

Let them all be defacto tards upon retirement. Serves 'em right.

some argue that fighting prevents serious injury, because a real bullshit hit will mean a beat down even if it's technically legal. personally i think it just proves the strength and virility of the Canadian people.

NoBowie
30th December 11, 09:38 AM
some argue that fighting prevents serious injury, because a real bullshit hit will mean a beat down even if it's technically legal. personally i think it just proves the strength and virility of the Canadian people.

Lol. This is the most self deluding BS I have heard in a while.

NoBowie
30th December 11, 10:13 AM
If Canada is a dude fucking the hot bimbo brunette of success, he only orgasms because he is fingered in the ass by uncle Sam during the act.

OZZ
30th December 11, 11:28 AM
NoB..fuck off.
Try to stay on topic here.
I think that the NHL probably has a system in place with a procedural outline much the same as the rugby one that was posted.
But I'm also pretty certain that there have been a few players yanked unnecessarily in the first half of this season so far.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th December 11, 11:35 AM
I've definitely had my bell rung a couple of times and have only had one incident of "concussive symptoms" such as dizziness, impaired awareness and headaches.

Robot Jesus
31st December 11, 06:58 PM
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I was hoping he would be wearing a more distinctive suit.