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EuropIan
28th August 10, 12:44 PM
I just watched the live internet feed and I have some thoughts:

-Glen beck is a horrible speaker

-Pathos doesn't work when I can't understand the context.

- I didn't understand a single thing he said except we need to be better cuz "God, veterans, America and founding fathers

- Bag pipes and black gospel singers do not mix

-It is not racist because there black people there

-There were a lot of people there!

-Jo Dee Messina sings off key or she may just have halitosis

- I kept feeling there was something off about this it's like I've seen a similar scenario before.

- Glen Beck is a horrible speaker.




What are your thoughts?

Spade: The Real Snake
28th August 10, 01:08 PM
The Preacherman who gave the opening prayer was more concerned with his own glory then that which he was supposed to be giving to God.

I am glad I wasn't in Washington DC today.

Glenn Beck cries alot.

EuropIan
28th August 10, 01:35 PM
I am also glad he wasn't such a great speaker.

Dark Helmet
28th August 10, 01:36 PM
- I kept feeling there was something off about this it's like I've seen a similar scenario before.

What are your thoughts?
fYh8MOnAgv8Did it remind you of this?

Dark Helmet
28th August 10, 01:37 PM
What are your thoughts?
I only watch the Palin speach. I knew I wasn't going to miss anything when she mentioned how important the troops were.. CNMB and CNN were both reporting it.

SifuAbel
28th August 10, 01:39 PM
Disappointing. I was hoping a million man march would trample over them like a glacier. That a horde of angry black people would come along and tar and feather the belligerent cracker.

I want to see an actual crowd count. "A lot of people" isn't really saying much. Even if it was 50K, thats still not "a lot" relatively.

EuropIan
28th August 10, 01:39 PM
http://graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/griffith.jpg

Ajamil
28th August 10, 01:44 PM
My thought is why were you watching a live feed of a Glenn Beck rally?

EuropIan
28th August 10, 01:47 PM
fYh8MOnAgv8Did it remind you of this?
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My thought is why were you watching a live feed of a Glenn Beck rally?

Because I was hoping some shit was going to go down.

And in case that didn't happen, I wanted to see what he would do.

Kiko
28th August 10, 01:52 PM
My thought is why were you watching a live feed of a Glenn Beck rally?

^
THIS!

It's a beautiful day... Read a book, train some ants... pick your toes...
ANYTHING!

EuropIan
28th August 10, 01:53 PM
It was evening time when I watched it.

Kiko
28th August 10, 01:54 PM
Um... Drink?

Ajamil
28th August 10, 01:55 PM
That's the same reason people gave for listening to Howard Stern. Makes sense.

Kiko
28th August 10, 01:56 PM
But Stern is occasionally funny.

Ajamil
28th August 10, 01:58 PM
Beck can be funny, but only when he isn't trying to be.

EuropIan
28th August 10, 01:58 PM
Um... Drink?
What makes you think I wasn't?

Kiko
28th August 10, 02:06 PM
From what I understand of Beck, you'd kind of HAVE to be medicating somehow to tolerate him.

HappyOldGuy
28th August 10, 02:30 PM
I was busy having a heavyweight practicing his pressure guard passes byjamming his knee into my junk.

I win.

nihilist
28th August 10, 02:56 PM
Glen Beck is merely entertainment for angry white trash.

And yes, they are legion.

elipson
28th August 10, 02:58 PM
I think Glen Beck represents the new McCarthyism.

He is "defending" the views of the founding fathers while systematically tearing down what they represented.

I'm just glad he is not very intelligent, otherwise I can see him becoming actually dangerous.

Commodore Pipes
28th August 10, 03:00 PM
Beck shouldn suck a cock, but not in a consensual way, and not a human cock, because there's nothing wrong with being gay, if you are and aren't forced into it by your fellows in the Russian army or in prison.

He's clearly tapping into a real dissatisfaction many Americans are feeling and he is manipulating it until it is more confused, unfocused, and intractible than ever. I don't mind his doom-and-gloom for his radio audience, but I DO mind the way he doesn't announce which part of his shows are paid advertisements (it's the part where he tells you to buy gold) and I mind that he reinforces the Pat Robertson imperial American christian ideal*. Seriously, this isn't '69 - only fucking assholes target soldiers for being soldiers and pretty much everyone else knows that they're being assholes. It's a non-issue, another opportunity to feel grand as they worship Mars, as Cullion pointed out years ago. It's Martian circle jerk and the saddest part is Sarah Palin - if she's dissillusioned about how the politics of the campaign trail micro-managed her and tried to make her into something she isn't, she could do a lot of good by calling the campaign stage managers out on their bullshit. But instead she talks about nothing, nothing, nothing, tackling tough problems thaty don't exist or are so misunderstood they might as well not exist, for the solutions they suggest. It's a sad retarded circus.

*And he belongs to the original subversive non-christian religion, Mormonism! But I work with a Mormon dude and he's actually one of the nicest guys I know so I guess I don't have much against Mormons nowadays, at least the one I know.

HappyOldGuy
28th August 10, 03:01 PM
Bear in mind that the entire tea party movement including candidate Palin is a wholly owned creation of Rupert Murdoch.

Commodore Pipes
28th August 10, 03:07 PM
Bear in mind that the entire tea party movement including candidate Palin is a wholly owned creation of Rupert Murdoch.

Actually, I do have to give Murdoch props for this. He's a canny aussie. He used Fox to create a media culture that News Corp can then rally against. Ha! That never gets old.

ICY
28th August 10, 03:31 PM
My thought is...can't believe you fuckin watched that shit.

Pilgrim
28th August 10, 03:52 PM
Sarah Palin is like a burning car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi_t1JwB22U

Doritosaurus Chex
28th August 10, 04:15 PM
I think you're being misdirected from the issue that really matters: Allegations of what he did to that poor girl in 1990.

Ajamil
28th August 10, 04:16 PM
OK now I'm wondering why I watched that. Wasn't she getting a TV deal? Why is she still a contender?

1:45-
"One true god of justice?"

"In honoring these giants...we must not forget the ordinary men and women on whose shoulders they stood."

I hope she just got the idea of standing on the shoulders of giants wrong, because otherwise it seems she's saying the historical giants were crushing the ordinary people in order to reach their heights.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th August 10, 04:37 PM
Sarah Palin is like a burning car. No she's not.
I wouldn't put my cock in the tailpipe of a burning car.

EDIT
this thread is now about posting the YouTube comments:


Yes! God Bless America. The spirit of MLK was for ALL Americans! ( not just blacks , but including them!)

Lebell
28th August 10, 05:17 PM
can someone explain me real short who glenn beck is?
he's a radiohost, ok.
but whats his point?

nihilist
28th August 10, 05:22 PM
His point is to give angry white trash rationale for being angry and white in a country founded by angry whites that is now being run by an intelligent, calm black man.

nihilist
28th August 10, 05:24 PM
He does this by making endless references to God, Nazis and communism.

Doritosaurus Chex
28th August 10, 05:27 PM
Don't forget that he can cry on command.

nihilist
28th August 10, 05:30 PM
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4974/jonlovitzacting.jpg

Pilgrim
28th August 10, 05:31 PM
No she's not.
I wouldn't put my cock in the tailpipe of a burning car.


Nope, that one is not even fuckable any more.

Her porn double, though...


can someone explain me real short who glenn beck is?
he's a radiohost, ok.
but whats his point?

The rising white trash demagogue. Like Rush Limbaugh, just less blatantly racist, and more openly retarded.

Gets insane amount of air time, apparently.

Notable for making more Hitler comparisons than W. Rabbit, and for calling Obama a racist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8R2PDmbmA

Pilgrim
28th August 10, 05:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA&feature=related

HappyOldGuy
28th August 10, 05:37 PM
He's an irrational right wing crybaby. You'd love him lebell.

Plus mormon, so he's even more wrong about the bible than you are.

nihilist
28th August 10, 05:37 PM
Attack the black man: Check.
Make reference to Communism: Check
Hey, he forgot to invoke The Bible and Nazis. :(

Doritosaurus Chex
28th August 10, 05:40 PM
- He can't spell Oligarchy.
- Rather than deny the fact that he allegedly raped and killed a young girl in 1990, he tried to have the website shut down and failed miserably. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_v._Eiland-Hall

Hedgehogey
28th August 10, 06:11 PM
I was there. There was an alleged ARA counterrally, but having called Antifa and had him double check my information, neither of us had heard of these people. I contacted the organizers of said alleged counterrally, and they claimed they had death threats and pulled out. Which was some country ass bullshit. In TX ARA we got death threats with every meal and none of them were followed up on.

I met up with some liberals there who, in true liberal form, despite having anti-tea party signs, had a "non-confrontation" policy. This resulted in them ceding ground again and again to the teabaggers and me abashedly following along for fear of being That Guy.

Overall, the radical right wing is proudly erect and everyone else is flaccid.

Ajamil
28th August 10, 07:31 PM
I thought the whole point was to be "that guy."

HappyOldGuy
28th August 10, 07:47 PM
Only at white people marches.

WarPhalange
28th August 10, 08:48 PM
I thought the whole point was to be "that guy."

I think by "that guy" he means "that guy that gets shot by the angry morons".

Ajamil
28th August 10, 08:56 PM
What happened to liberty or death?

WarPhalange
28th August 10, 09:05 PM
Those who fight and run away live to fight another day.

Kein Haar
28th August 10, 11:58 PM
But they never fought on the first day.

WarPhailange.

Kein Haar
29th August 10, 12:00 AM
I thought the whole point was to be "that guy."

He's that guy who's going to go study with those other guys for half a semester.

Spade: The Real Snake
29th August 10, 09:17 AM
Hedge brought a churro cart and made an ass-load of $$$

SifuAbel
29th August 10, 10:17 AM
http://bethanybump.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/red_neck_car.jpgWow, it looks like they gathered every available bubba they could find.

Kiko
1st September 10, 04:26 PM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l81lr4Q3jo1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

Pilgrim
3rd September 10, 04:33 AM
Any clues around here if there is a transcript of what Beck actually said? In some newspaper, or something?

I could maybe need it for university...

bob
3rd September 10, 06:16 AM
I'll get it for you if you reference me.

Robot Jesus
3rd September 10, 11:49 AM
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EuropIan
3rd September 10, 11:52 AM
ht8PmEjxUfg

God, constitution, fat, electric tricycle, chairs, vague pathos.

SifuAbel
3rd September 10, 12:00 PM
The question still remains, would these people be in such a panty twist if it were Hilary Clinton in office?

EuropIan
3rd September 10, 12:09 PM
Slightly less. But only because a woman is one tier down from black.

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd September 10, 12:13 PM
Slightly less. But only because a woman is one tier down from black.
fucking bigot.
I see lots and lots of smilin' white faces here..... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Denmark)

EuropIan
3rd September 10, 12:43 PM
Yes, we realize white male is top tier governance

SifuAbel
3rd September 10, 12:48 PM
The thing is, that any Democrat would have pretty much the same policy but not suffer any where where near the vitriol. And this shit started BEFORE he took office.

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd September 10, 01:34 PM
The thing is, that any Democrat would have pretty much the same policy but not suffer any where where near the vitriol. And this shit started BEFORE he took office.
I guess you conveniently seem to forget the shit McCain had leveled at him, his wife and his kids by his own party during the year 2000 primary race?

Robot Jesus
3rd September 10, 01:43 PM
I don't think it's a black thing, but that certainly did little to help things. It's an echo chamber and a city vs country thing. they see the world changing and they don't like it. they hang out with people who don't like it, they only listen to media that doesn't like it. so they conclude that no one likes it, and so the librrle media and government are trying to undermine "real america". Obama being articulate and educated are bigger problems with these people, if he only put on a cowboy hat and sang along to Toby Keith they could accept him. They hate him because he is the "other", but the other in question is not black; it urban.

Pilgrim
3rd September 10, 02:26 PM
I'll get it for you if you reference me.

Not for a paper, for an exam.

But I will wear my "I LOVE BOB" shirt while I have it, if you like.

HappyOldGuy
3rd September 10, 02:28 PM
I don't think it's a black thing, but that certainly did little to help things. It's an echo chamber and a city vs country thing. they see the world changing and they don't like it. they hang out with people who don't like it, they only listen to media that doesn't like it. so they conclude that no one likes it, and so the librrle media and government are trying to undermine "real america". Obama being articulate and educated are bigger problems with these people, if he only put on a cowboy hat and sang along to Toby Keith they could accept him. They hate him because he is the "other", but the other in question is not black; it urban.

Black is part of the "other", but yeah, this.^^^

Also, I think some of you looking back on the clinton years with rose colored glasses. There was *HATE* out there for the clintons.

SifuAbel
3rd September 10, 02:29 PM
Yeah, lol, cowboy hats are the go-to item for the Rep's wanting the hayseed vote.

SifuAbel
3rd September 10, 02:30 PM
Black is part of the "other", but yeah, this.^^^

Also, I think some of you looking back on the clinton years with rose colored glasses. There was *HATE* out there for the clintons.Yeah, because the economy was so bad...oh wait.

Because he got BJ in the white house... Oh my!!

Because he killed all those people in wako....oh shit!!!

I didn't see bubba in nazi uniform poster.

HappyOldGuy
3rd September 10, 02:51 PM
I didn't see bubba in nazi uniform poster.

Then you weren't looking. Seriously, vince foster, waco, the right wing nutjobs were at least 90% as frothy as they are today.

The main difference is that the conservativemediacomplex wasn't as well organized.

lant3rn
3rd September 10, 02:57 PM
The main difference is that the conservativemediacomplex wasn't as well organized.

Himmler would be proud.

Fearless Ukemi
3rd September 10, 03:00 PM
What are your thoughts?

I've never been a fan, so I didn't watch.

Some of what he says is so over the top that I have to wonder if he is trolling.

He even gets into the CT realm every now and then too, but I think Alex Jones does that angle much better.

Fearless Ukemi
3rd September 10, 03:02 PM
^
THIS!

It's a beautiful day... Read a book, train some ants... pick your toes...
ANYTHING!


All of those things can be done with the TV on.

Ajamil
4th September 10, 05:14 PM
I didn't see bubba in nazi uniform poster.I attribute this to the increasing juvenile nature of politics, and as a knee-jerk response to GW in nazi outfits.

SifuAbel
4th September 10, 06:43 PM
I attribute this to the increasing juvenile nature of politics, and as a knee-jerk response to GW in nazi outfits.The political climate reminds me of those DirecTV football adds. It seems most Americans are just as hung up on their political team as they are on their football teams. Irrationally so.

GW got more chimp/retard posters done up on him. But he actually deserved it.

Cullion
5th September 10, 11:16 AM
Bear in mind that the entire tea party movement including candidate Palin is a wholly owned creation of Rupert Murdoch.

Parts of it. The attempts by mainstream republicans to co-opt it certainly are.

Cullion
5th September 10, 11:25 AM
The point of Glenn Beck and people like him is to pull the hayseed vote away from people like Ron Paul. That's what things like this are for. All the right rebellious noises.. but they want you to vote for people who've never read the constitution and think bombing Iran is imperative to protect American citizens.

Lebell
5th September 10, 11:53 AM
bombing Iran is always a good idea.
those heathens have been left alone for too long.
They need the special attention of our crusader armies.

HappyOldGuy
5th September 10, 12:02 PM
Parts of it. The attempts by mainstream republicans to co-opt it certainly are.

Nope. FOX was bankrolling the very earliest rallies. There were some folks talking about it earlier, but as a mass movement it's a manufactured product.

SifuAbel
5th September 10, 12:10 PM
bombing Iran is always a good idea.
those heathens have been left alone for too long.
They need the special attention of our crusader armies.
I know you're just trolling.

But I'll say to those that actually believe this, that bombing Iran would be the galvanizing force to unite their country against us totally. Right now there are growing movements in Iran that are leaning toward globalism and modernization. Bombing them you'd only destroy the very movement we would want to support.

Lebell
5th September 10, 12:21 PM
I know you're just trolling.

But I'll say to those that actually believe this, that bombing Iran would be the galvanizing force to unite their country against us totally. Right now there are growing movements in Iran that are leaning toward globalism and modernization. Bombing them you'd only destroy the very movement we would want to support.

No, also the oppostion are muslims.
The infadels must be converted...or killed.

Cullion
5th September 10, 12:25 PM
Nope. FOX was bankrolling the very earliest rallies. There were some folks talking about it earlier, but as a mass movement it's a manufactured product.

I'm willing to believe it, but I'd like to see a source.

HappyOldGuy
5th September 10, 12:40 PM
I'm willing to believe it, but I'd like to see a source.
I'm mostly going off of memory of the event, but I googled this which sounds right.

http://mediamatters.org/press/releases/483110

Ajamil
5th September 10, 12:51 PM
FreedomWorks seems to be an earlier contributor than NewsCorps, and the Koch brothers a bigger contributor.


The dominant theme seen at some of the earliest anti-stimulus protests was pork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel) rather than tea.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-26) The term "porkulus" was coined by radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh) on his January 27, 2009, broadcast[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-27) in reference to both the 2009 stimulus bill, which was just introduced to the House of Representatives the day before, as well as to pork barrel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel) spending and earmarks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_%28politics%29).[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-28) This proved very popular with conservative politicians and commentators,[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-McGrath-29) who began to unify in opposition to the September 2008 bailout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout) package.

Competing claims have emerged over which protest was actually the first to organize. According to FreedomWorks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks) state and federal campaigns director Brendan Steinhauser,[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-30)[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-31) activist Mary Rakovich[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-32) was the organizer of a February 10, 2009 protest in Fort Myers, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Myers,_Florida), calling it the, "first protest of President Obama's administration that we know of."[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-33) The protest however attracted less than a ten people and was focused mainly on the amount being spent on high definition television signals.[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-34)

New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times) journalist Kate Zernike reported that leaders within the Tea Party credit Seattle blogger and conservative activist Keli Carender with organizing the first Tea Party on February 16, 2009, the day before President Obama signed the stimulus bill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009) into law.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-Seattleprotest_KIROtv-35) The term "porkulus protest" instead of "Tea Party," however, was being used at the time.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-Zernike-36) Carender said 120 people participated. "This was due to me spending the entire four days calling and emailing every person, think tank, policy center, university professors (that were sympathetic), etc. in town, and not stopping until the day came."[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-meet_keli_carender-37)[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-38)

Carender also contacted conservative author and Fox News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News) contributor, Michelle Malkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Malkin) who then enthusiastically promoted the protest in several posts on her blog, saying that "There should be one of these in every town in America," and that she would be supplying the crowd with a symbolic meal of pulled pork. Malkin called for her readers to stage similar "porkulus" events in Denver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver) on February 17 where President Obama planned to sign the stimulus bill into law.[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-39)[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-40)[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-41)
Yet another protest, organized by a local conservative talk radio station KFYI was held in suburban Phoenix, Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona) on February 18, and brought 500 protesters to greet Obama as he gave his first public talk on the stimulus bill.[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-42)[44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-43) By February 20, Michelle Malkin was using her nationally-syndicated column and television appearances to try and promote this string of protests as an emerging conservative movement, and continued to call for more.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-44) "There's something in the air," she wrote, "It's the smell of roasted pork."

First national Tea Party protests

On February 19, 2009,[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-McGrath-29) in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Mercantile_Exchange), CNBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNBC) Business News editor Rick Santelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santelli) criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowners_Affordability_and_Stability_Plan), which had just been announced the day before. He said that those plans were, "promoting bad behavior,"[46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-45) by, "subsidizing losers' mortgages." He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago river on July 1.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-46)[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-cnbc-47)[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-chicagotribune2-48) A number of the derivative traders around him cheered on his proposal, to the apparent amusement of the hosts in the studio. Video of Santelli's 'rant' went viral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_video) after it received a "red siren" headline on the news aggregation website, Drudge Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Report).[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-49)

In response to Santelli, websites such as ChicagoTeaParty.com (registered in August 2008 by Chicago radio producer Zack Christenson) were live within twelve hours.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-cbs-9) About 10 hours after Santelli's remarks, reTeaParty.com was bought to coordinate Tea Parties scheduled for July 4 and, as of March 4, was reported to be receiving 11,000 visitors a day.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-cbs-9)

According to The New Yorker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker) writer Ben McGrath[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-McGrath-29) and New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times) reporter Kate Zernike,[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-Zernike-36) this is where the movement was first inspired to coalesce under the collective banner of "Tea Party." By the next day, guests on Fox News had already begun to mention this new "Tea Party."[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-50)

As reported by The Huffington Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post), a Facebook page was created a day after "Santelli's Rant" by FreedomWorks, who called for simultaneous Tea Party protests across the country.[52] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-huffingtonpost.com-51) Soon, the "Nationwide Chicago Tea Party" protest was coordinated across over 40 different cities for February 27, 2009, thus establishing the first national modern Tea Party protest.[53] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-52)[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-53)
According to Atlantic Monthly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Monthly), the three main groups that provide guidance and organization for the protests, FreedomWorks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks), dontGO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DontGO), and Americans for Prosperity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Prosperity), state that the demonstrations are an organic movement.[160] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-who-159) Law professor and commentator Glenn Reynolds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Reynolds), best known as author of the Instapundit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instapundit) political blog, argued in The New York Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Post) that: "These aren't the usual semiprofessional protesters who attend antiwar and pro-union marches. These are people with real jobs; most have never attended a protest march before. They represent a kind of energy that our politics hasn't seen lately, and an influx of new activists."[161] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-160) Conservative political strategist Tim Phillips (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Phillips_%28political_strategist%29), now head of Americans for Prosperity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Prosperity), has remarked that the Republican Party is "too disorganized and unsure of itself to pull this off."[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-rebel-8) In August 2010, American mainstream news organizations started making allegations about the funding sources for the Tea Party Movement. Along with citing free promotion from Rupert Murdoch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch)'s Fox News, claims were also made that the billionaire Koch brothers, David H. Koch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch) and Charles G. Koch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_G._Koch), are funding the movement.[162] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-Mayer-161)[163] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-Frank_Rich-162)[164] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#cite_note-163)

HappyOldGuy
5th September 10, 12:55 PM
The first mass protests were the 2009 Tax day protests which were organized and promoted by FOX news. The stuff you are talking about was 10's of people.

Ajamil
5th September 10, 01:15 PM
So it's not a proper origin of a grass roots protest if it's too small?

HappyOldGuy
5th September 10, 01:40 PM
So it's not a proper origin of a grass roots protest if it's too small?

A few dozen people are not a mass movement by definition. The mass movement happened when FOX started advertising the protests and sending their talking heads to speak at them.

Ajamil
5th September 10, 02:24 PM
An event organized over 40 cities isn't a mass movement?

Robot Jesus
5th September 10, 02:26 PM
untill it can be described as a horde or a mob it doesn't really fit.

HappyOldGuy
5th September 10, 03:00 PM
The one in over 40 cities was the one organized by FOX.

Hedley LaMarr
5th September 10, 05:34 PM
An event organized over 40 cities isn't a mass movement?
The size of the event is not the matter at hand. A grassroots movement is something organized from the local level up. It starts with chapters in many cities that organize to form one movement with decision-making still done at the local chapter level.

The decision making process of the Tea Party/Glenn Beck movement is not done at the local level. It started at the national level and worked it's way down to "local" chapters. These chapters don't make decisions, they take their queue from the people at "national" (aka FOX News.)

Cullion
5th September 10, 05:53 PM
Where were you libertards when I was explaining to you who had been carefully redesigning western education systems since the industrial era?

Now you've got a conspiracy theory to explain something George Soros and the Rockefeller's don't like you're all over that shit.

Hedley LaMarr
5th September 10, 06:02 PM
Where were you libertards when I was explaining to you who had been carefully redesigning western education systems since the industrial era?

Now you've got a conspiracy theory to explain something George Soros and the Rockefeller's don't like you're all over that shit.
link plz

Cullion
5th September 10, 06:06 PM
http://www.sociocide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1466156&postcount=81

Ajamil
5th September 10, 06:43 PM
I was listening and trying to comprehend.

And as for the first national movement, it says quite clearly it was organized and funded by FreedomWorks, not FOX News. I'll follow the source and see where they got it from.

Seems the Huffington Post timeline (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/a-teabagger-timeline-koch_b_187312.html) is where they're getting it from. If this is to be believed, the original Fox News sponsored rally was in the tens of people category, and the first national event lists people from FreedomWorks as admins.

Hedley LaMarr
5th September 10, 06:58 PM
I was listening and trying to comprehend.

And as for the first national movement, it says quite clearly it was organized and funded by FreedomWorks, not FOX News. I'll follow the source and see where they got it from.

Seems the Huffington Post timeline (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/a-teabagger-timeline-koch_b_187312.html) is where they're getting it from. If this is to be believed, the original Fox News sponsored rally was in the tens of people category, and the first national event lists people from FreedomWorks as admins.
What's it matter if FreedomWorks ran the first events? Here's their board of directors:



The Honorable Dick Armey (Chairman (http://www.freedomworks.org/about/chairman-dick-armey))

Former House Majority Leader
C. Boyden Gray (Full Bio (http://www.freedomworks.org/about/board-of-directors/c-boyden-gray))

C. Boyden Gray, of the District of Columbia, is the former Special Envoy for Eurasian Energy Diplomacy (2008-2009) and former Special Envoy for European Union Affairs (2008-2009). He is now a founding partner of the D.C.-based law firm, Gray & Schmitz LLP.
The Honorable James H. Burnley

Venable
A partner at Venable LLP, James H. Burnley previously served as the U.S. Secretary of Transportation from 1987 to 1989 and is one of the nationís foremost authorities on transportation law and policy. He also served as Deputy Secretary of Transportation from 1983 to 1987 and was General Counsel of the Department in 1983. Prior to his years with the USDOT, Mr. Burnley served as Associate Deputy Attorney General for the Justice Department and as Director of the VISTA Program in the early 1980s.
Matt Kibbe

FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/know/bio.php?staff_id=35)
Thomas Knudsen

Thomas Publishing Company
Thomas Knudsen is president of Thomas Publishers located in New York City. He graduated from Yale University and received an MBA from the Uris School of Business.
Richard J Stephenson

Cancer Treatment Centers of America
Richard Stephenson heads the Cancer Treatment Centers of America as well as several other health care, finance, and real estate companies. He received his bachelor's degree from Wabash in Crawfordsville, Ind. and his J.D. from the Northwestern University School of Law.
FreedomWorks Emeritus Board

Bill Jaeger

Jaeger Vineyards
FreedomWorks Foundation

The Honorable Dick Armey (Chairman (http://www.freedomworks.org/about/chairman-dick-armey))

Former House Majority Leader
Steve Forbes (Full Bio (http://www.freedomworks.org/about/board-of-directors/steve-forbes))

Forbes Magazine
Steve Forbes is President and Chief Executive Officer of Forbes and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes magazine. The companyís flagship publication, Forbes, is the nationís leading business magazine, with a circulation of 900,000. In both 1996 and 2000, Mr. Forbes campaigned vigorously for the Republican nomination for the Presidency. Key to his platform were a flat tax, medical savings accounts, a new Social Security system for working Americans, parental choice of schools for their children, term limits and a strong national defense. Mr. Forbes is the author of Flat Tax Revolution: Using a Postcard to Abolish the IRS (Regnery, 2005) and A New Birth of Freedom (Regnery, 1999).
Ted Abram

American Institute for Full Employment
Ted Abram is executive director of the Klamath Falls, Oregon-based American Institute for Full Employment. Prior, Abram served 16 years as a Circuit Court Judge for the State of Oregon. He spent ten years as Presiding Circuit Judge for Klamath and Lake Counties and served on the Commission for Judicial Fitness for six years.
Matt Kibbe

FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/know/bio.php?staff_id=35)
Robert Lansing

Litchfield Advisors, a Chicago real estate advisory company
Frank M. Sands, Sr.

Sands Capital Management
Frank M. Sands, Sr., is Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer of Sands Capital Management. Sands Capital Management began operations in February of 1992. It was founded with the belief that a small, dedicated, professional investment group, committed to and focused on a high quality growth investment strategy, could create wealth for its clients over time and in a prudent fashion. The investment strategy has been developed and refined by Frank over his 37-year career in investment management. Since 1992, assets under management have increased from approximately $60 million to approximately $19 billion. In addition to his successful business, Mr. Sands has been involved as a board member of a number of different volunteer boards and community organizations. He and his wife, Marjorie, reside in Virginia




http://www.freedomworks.org/about/board-of-directors
Do these look like local figures to you? Does the name "Steve Forbes" scream "grassroots movement" to you?

Here's a wiki called sourcewatch that has some interesting info on freedomworks
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FreedomWorks

Fearless Ukemi
5th September 10, 07:28 PM
Where were you libertards when I was explaining to you who had been carefully redesigning western education systems since the industrial era?

Now you've got a conspiracy theory to explain something George Soros and the Rockefeller's don't like you're all over that shit.

I'm sure Murdock and Soros love having beers together and reflecting on their game, as they await Lord Rothschild's demands.

:biggrin:

Aphid Jones
10th September 10, 01:50 PM
http://www.choosinghats.com/?p=1256

Glenn Beck gave a religious history lesson a few months ago. Doesn't this upset the bible belt people at all?

Cullion
10th September 10, 02:56 PM
Why would it ?

EuropIan
10th September 10, 02:59 PM
They aren't historically literate anyway

Cullion
10th September 10, 03:05 PM
Some of them are.

Serious question: Have you ever met a highly educated religious person ?

elipson
10th September 10, 03:08 PM
One friend of mine has a masters in philosophy and is deeply religious.

I never understood that....

EuropIan
10th September 10, 03:12 PM
Some of them are.

Serious question: Have you ever met a highly educated religious person ?
Yes.

Cullion
10th September 10, 03:14 PM
Well, how do you think that person would react to what Glenn Beck said?

EuropIan
10th September 10, 03:16 PM
They would say glenn beck is an idiot.

Are you implying I'm equivocating this group of people with Glenn Beck fans?

Cullion
10th September 10, 03:26 PM
I'm answering AJs question why 'bible belt' people aren't up in arms about Glenn Beck. The dumb ones don't care that much about ancient European history and the smart ones don't watch.

EuropIan
10th September 10, 03:28 PM
Most of them (Glenn Beck fans) don't even know what is in the constitution nor the bible

Cullion
10th September 10, 03:31 PM
The thing that worries me most is how short most people's memories are. It's only 2 years since Glenn Beck was the srs neoconservative anti-Ron Paul mouthpiece accusing a strictly constitutionalist conservative who'd served overseas in the military of being some kind of subversive and unpatriotic character.

Now his team aren't in power, now he's fucking Bail Organa.

EuropIan
10th September 10, 03:33 PM
He's a brilliant populist, that's for sure.

Ajamil
10th September 10, 03:33 PM
Oof - the blogger was just about as bad as Glenn. The time thing was spot-on, but a lot of his counters were thin (They didn't hide the scrolls in Nicea? If it were true, why would they die them in the city the scrolls were declared heretical?) and much of it was just derision.

Cullion
10th September 10, 03:42 PM
The blogger doesn't seem to understand that the decisions made at the council of nicea spread throughout Christendom pretty rapidly. Not that Glenn Beck is right, but the basic principle that somebody might want to hide books after hearing about a decision in another country isn't as absurd as that blogger thinks.

The 'Nicene Creed' was still repeated robotically in every Catholic mass I remember attending.

Fearless Ukemi
10th September 10, 04:34 PM
Some of them are.

Serious question: Have you ever met a highly educated religious person ?

A few. Most of them are medical doctors.

Fearless Ukemi
10th September 10, 04:35 PM
Most of them (Glenn Beck fans) don't even know what is in the constitution nor the bible

And I also bet they don't know he is an adult Mormon convert.

Aphid Jones
10th September 10, 05:05 PM
Oof - the blogger was just about as bad as Glenn. The time thing was spot-on, but a lot of his counters were thin (They didn't hide the scrolls in Nicea? If it were true, why would they die them in the city the scrolls were declared heretical?) and much of it was just derision.
The dead sea scrolls, containing Jewish midrash, apocrypha and biblical text, were hidden at least 260 years before the Council of Nicea occured; the "gnostic" Nag Hammadi scrolls were hidden probably 200 years before Nicea. The Dead Sea scrolls were unknown to the bishops at Nicea, so they had no way to anathematize them even if they would have (and there's no reason to assume they would have.) Nobody was executed at the council of Nicea.

Beck's schpiel is typical.
It is part of the Mormon/JW/Seventh Day Adventist "restoration of the r34l church" historical revisionism of "Constantine sold out the r34l church for X reason, and turned it into a political cult really worshiping <Insert pagan deity>." They thus have to posit proto-Mormons who resisted the Nicene creed.

Cullion
10th September 10, 05:12 PM
There were people who resisted the Nicene creed. Lots of them. And they were executed. Just not right there that day at Nicea.

Aphid Jones
10th September 10, 05:12 PM
Who was executed? I'm speaking immediately after Nicea, not some time after 1054.

Cullion
10th September 10, 05:17 PM
Arian Christians for one. The various gnostics that popped up as groups like the Cathars centuries later being another.

Aphid Jones
10th September 10, 05:20 PM
What Arians were killed? Arius himself died of natural causes.

Ajamil
10th September 10, 05:26 PM
His reasoning was destroyed with the single conflict of time. I was merely saying the blogger's other arguments wouldn't hold the case otherwise, and most of them relied on the time point.

Cullion
10th September 10, 05:46 PM
What Arians were killed? Arius himself died of natural causes.

Yes he did, but Arians were executed for heresy for centuries afterwards.

Aphid Jones
10th September 10, 06:16 PM
Yes he did, but Arians were executed for heresy for centuries afterwards.
True, but virtually exclusively in the Roman west, and not until a long time after Nicaea.

Cullion
10th September 10, 06:18 PM
Whilst disagreeing with Beck's history, I still don't think it's an unreasonable principle that people in that era would hide books that had just been declared heretical by a council presided over by the Emperor.

HappyOldGuy
10th September 10, 08:19 PM
But the arians had nothing to do with the dead sea scrolls.

And they did plenty of their own executing as well. But lots of what gets blamed on doctrinal fights was nothing more than tribal showdowns.

Remember arian and non arian broke down pretty clearly along naitonal/tribal lines, so the situations where you had one group ruling over the other was usually the result of conquest. Not conversion.

Cullion
10th September 10, 08:30 PM
But the arians had nothing to do with the dead sea scrolls.

We all know that, I don't think you read my earlier posts. I'm not supporting Beck, I'm mocking the snide but equally clueless diatribe of the blogger who mocks Beck. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

HappyOldGuy
10th September 10, 08:34 PM
The blogger was being snide, but his facts were all correct.

You know me, I have kindof a hard on for actual correct facts.

Cullion
10th September 10, 08:39 PM
His historical facts weren't what I was arguing with, it was the way he said 'this couldn't have happened because it didn't happen that very day at Nicea'. That's not a fact, it's an inference, and it's an absurd line of reasoning.

Robot Jesus
10th September 10, 10:04 PM
back to the main point, what do you guys thing the possibility of violence if the tea baggers don't achieve total victory?

Cullion
10th September 10, 10:07 PM
Mass violence? Almost nil.

Crazy lone gunmen?

They're americans. They don't need an excuse.

Robot Jesus
10th September 10, 10:09 PM
what I was thinking

what do you think the threshold will be?

HappyOldGuy
11th September 10, 12:15 AM
Crazy lone gunman has already happened. But the emphasis on crazy was pretty heavy.

Cullion
11th September 10, 06:22 AM
Whilst I dickered with Hog about the history of it, I agree with his assessment that the Tea Party is now largely under the sway of Fox News and the neoconservative movement. It's much more Glenn Beck than Ron Paul (and therein lies the cognitive dissonance. They're chanting for small government at the lead of people who never voted for small government and who enthusiastically attacked the only republican candidate to genuinely offer it in decades).

There will be individuals who flip out, but this is not a real revolution in the making.
I think liberals overreact somewhat to the threat these people present. These are middle class middle-aged people largely under the sway of people like Sarah Palin.

These people aren't Idaho militiamen or some right wing version of the Red Brigade.

Cullion
11th September 10, 07:58 AM
This choad sums up pretty much what I think the Tea Party is about.

IMgyi57s-A4

Lebell
11th September 10, 08:10 AM
at 9 my tkime and 8 cullions time, geert wilders wil speech at the grund zero mosque.
he's been invited there by pamela summin summin.

Cullion
11th September 10, 08:52 AM
New avatar for you Lebell

http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/geert-wilders.jpg

Lebell
11th September 10, 11:37 AM
stfu.

Hedley LaMarr
11th September 10, 12:52 PM
This choad sums up pretty much what I think the Tea Party is about.

IMgyi57s-A4
Did he say he had a masters in Communications?

Cullion
11th September 10, 01:40 PM
Why yes he did.

AAAhmed46
12th September 10, 09:17 PM
Compared to Sean Hannity and Rush, Beck does a better job argueing.

WarPhalange
12th September 10, 10:31 PM
stfu.

NO U

Ajamil
13th September 10, 08:22 AM
Compared to Sean Hannity and Rush, Beck does a better job argueing.But Rush is least likely to do bug-eyed rants, and that's a plus to me.