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Lebell
16th June 10, 01:46 AM
Some time ago the US congress requested help with their little oil leak in the gulf of Mexico.
Like we did after the hurricane that flooded new Orleans, the Dutch sent in their experts.
From the far east to the middle east, to the US coasts, Dutch experts advise and help build water management projects that usually are deemed impossibe,until we actually make them cos we know better what we're doing.

The palm shaped Island near Dubai?
Recovery of Kursk?
all us.


Now the Dutch sent a company called Mariflex with ships that can suck 240 tons of oil an hour.

The Dutch say to the americans: look guys, it's a better idea if we start cleaning up the oil further away from the leak, because its settled better, thus thicker, thus easier to suck up.

Americans with 0.0. expertise: uhm no. we wont listen! nanananananana cant hear you.

Dutch experts: lolwut? fine, but why are we here? can we go home plz.

So in short: the Dutch are prepared to suck for the Americans but the stupid fucks wont take any advice.
So next time Obama is bitching on tv how the oil problem is a grave danger: he's either ignorant or lying because it could have been halfway solved by now.

Steve
16th June 10, 01:57 AM
So next time Obama is bitching on tv how the oil problem is a grave danger: he's either ignorant or lying because it could have been halfway solved by now.

Cause, the Dutch are really good at handling major spills? I thought Reese already solved this problem.

For the record:

Holland - 16,485 square miles.

America - 3,537,441 square miles.

I'm hoping we have at least some people that are as smart as the Dutch in there.

Lebell
16th June 10, 01:58 AM
im not bs-ing steev, go google mariflex-gulf of mexico-bp or something.
i only found the article in dutch.

SoulMechanic
16th June 10, 02:11 AM
See what we do is this. We gather your "experts", listen to what they have to say, then do the opposite.

Steve
16th June 10, 02:12 AM
But they talk in teh weird, lolol, what? speak.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
16th June 10, 02:20 AM
The Greater LA area has roughly the same population of Dutchland. We probably have more geniuses than you have people, China-status.

Steve
16th June 10, 02:23 AM
im not bs-ing steev, go google mariflex-gulf of mexico-bp or something.
i only found the article in dutch.

History is only written by the...

etc etc.

Lebell
16th June 10, 02:25 AM
lol!
dudes..its YOUR oilproblem.
[/facepalm]

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
16th June 10, 02:27 AM
No, it's Louisiana's problem.

Steve
16th June 10, 03:37 AM
No, it's Louisiana's problem.

Shush, he lives in a tiny state where he is always right.

Lebell
16th June 10, 03:40 AM
uhm...you do realise that obama yapping about BP paying for EVERYTHING is political crap and tat the longterm costs will be paid by the american taxpayers..which include..ehr..YOU?

Cullion
16th June 10, 03:45 AM
Lebell, our plan is working. Stop interfering with our plan to retake the Western Colony. Our Royal Families are related, after all.

Steve
16th June 10, 03:52 AM
uhm...you do realise that obama yapping about BP paying for EVERYTHING is political crap and tat the longterm costs will be paid by the american taxpayers..which include..ehr..YOU?

When teh dutch have a say on the value of any currency, we'll talk.

Lebell
16th June 10, 03:55 AM
Lebell, our plan is working. Stop interfering with our plan to retake the Western Colony. Our Royal Families are related, after all.

Actually, considering the level of retardation amongst average americans its a small miracle you havent reclaimed them yet.
Why the hell you want them back is a mystery to me.

Madgrenade
16th June 10, 05:27 AM
Americans are farmers, not mariners. So really it doesn't matter how many people there are in your country, if no-one has the expertise you need then you're pretty fucked. I think it really jars the American psyche to even entertain the idea that they still might have things to learn from other cultures. Or that they might need their help. If it was my spill I'd take all the help I could get. Maybe the Dutch had a special condition for their help that the US couldn't agree to, or the price was too high. Still think that it's foolish to refuse, especially as the leak isn't even capped yet.

Harpy
16th June 10, 06:01 AM
I'm surprised you Yanks aren't up in arms about this. You'll are lazy fat asshats who will just blame the government and Yobama for not single-handedly cleaning up the oil spill.

Lebell makes some good points.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
16th June 10, 06:39 AM
It's cute how you think Americans aren't pissed about this shit and that people in other Western countries would react much differently.

Cullion
16th June 10, 07:21 AM
Google 'Piper Alpha' and 'Bhopal'

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
16th June 10, 07:22 AM
What about them?

Cullion
16th June 10, 07:50 AM
Well, nobody in the UK was burning American flags after Piper Alpha, and the Indian govt. didn't think they were entitled to retroactively and unilaterally change limited liability contract terms.

Obama needs to get a grip and stop looking for something to distract everybody from his shitty performance.

Lebell
16th June 10, 07:55 AM
this thread points out, AGAIN, just how stupid the average american is, poorly educated and ignorant of the world he lives in, he just sits there revelling in his own stupidity pointig and laughing at others.

not unlike that fat wino outside the supermarket i do my shopping.

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
16th June 10, 08:05 AM
Obama kicks ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw)

Vieux Normand
16th June 10, 08:18 AM
The Soviets supposedly ended similar problems on their soil by vitrifying it via small tactical nuke. More recently, Russians are reported to have suggested this to Obama.

Don't the ruskies check maps?

Are there any inhabited cities in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico? Nope.

Any inhabited south-Pacific islands? Nope.

So, duh, no dropping of American nukes.

EvilSteve
16th June 10, 08:52 AM
Well, nobody in the UK was burning American flags after Piper Alpha, and the Indian govt. didn't think they were entitled to retroactively and unilaterally change limited liability contract terms.

Obama needs to get a grip and stop looking for something to distract everybody from his shitty performance.

If Union Carbide's Bhopal leak had happened in the US, well I think every attorney within 100 miles of here just got a boner from me typing those words. Normally I'm not a fan of Americans' litigious nature but Union Carbide treated those people like they were expendable and has still never paid for or performed a proper clean-up of the area.

But oddly enough, I didn't post to pick a fight. Anyone remember the Ixtoc I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill)spill? It happened in my lifetime, but I'm too young to remember it. It was larger than the Deepwater Horizon spill is (so far) and yet I haven't heard anyone mention it regarding the current spill. The reason I bring it up is that the only way they managed to stop it was via a relief well. Now, I've heard loads of people pontificate on the best way to stop this spill, but does anyone with a better knowledge of naval engineering than myself know if there is any way to stop the spill OTHER than drilling a relief well? Because it seems that techniques for capping the well which are effective in shallow waters are failing at the depth of the Deepwater Horizon well.

Stick
16th June 10, 09:12 AM
Rachel Maddow's been talking about the Ixtoc in her coverage of the current spill for weeks now, actually.

How many of these 240 ton/hour suck ships do they have?

It seems like the further away you get fromt he well thoe more you're going to need to actually get to all the dispersed oil, especially now that's its been further dispersed by all the corexit they've been dumping in there. Of course that's all part of the greater problem with the mentality down there; cap the well first, worry about what's already gotten into the ocean later.

It doesn't really help that the technology used in the Ixtoc disaster hasn't improved hardly at all in the last 30 years and it's the same crap they're trying to use today.

EvilSteve
16th June 10, 09:15 AM
Rachel Maddow's been talking about the Ixtoc in her coverage of the current spill for weeks now, actually.

Ah, my bad. Like her, but don't watch her show because I tend to agree with everything she says anyway. Also, generally read news more than watch it.

Lebell
16th June 10, 10:25 AM
Rachel Maddow's been talking about the Ixtoc in her coverage of the current spill for weeks now, actually.

How many of these 240 ton/hour suck ships do they have?

It seems like the further away you get fromt he well thoe more you're going to need to actually get to all the dispersed oil, especially now that's its been further dispersed by all the corexit they've been dumping in there. Of course that's all part of the greater problem with the mentality down there; cap the well first, worry about what's already gotten into the ocean later.

It doesn't really help that the technology used in the Ixtoc disaster hasn't improved hardly at all in the last 30 years and it's the same crap they're trying to use today.
I'm no expert, but the dutch company says the oil is easier to remove from the water a bit further away from the initial leak.
Ofcourse they still gotta cap the fucker, just do both things at the same time.

I dont know how many ships exactly: the newsarticle said ships.
those things are colossal so i dont think they'll have that many.
same as the smitt-tak company, they specialise in ginormous ships aswell.

Cullion
16th June 10, 10:29 AM
Sounds like the Dutch company are trying to convince everybody to use a bigger perimeter-> more ships -> more money for them.

Never trust the Dutch in business dealings, there's always some crooked angle.

jvjim
16th June 10, 10:43 AM
And it's usually their tallywhacker.

Spade: The Real Snake
16th June 10, 11:15 AM
we need the help of the Greeks and Italians and other notably greasy people to go swimming in the Gulf and help sop up the oil like they were Mediterranean biscuits.

Madgrenade
16th June 10, 11:51 AM
Now, I've heard loads of people pontificate on the best way to stop this spill, but does anyone with a better knowledge of naval engineering than myself know if there is any way to stop the spill OTHER than drilling a relief well? Because it seems that techniques for capping the well which are effective in shallow waters are failing at the depth of the Deepwater Horizon well.

I was speaking to a nautical source the other day. He told be that the Bofs at BP knew all along that the only way to stop it was to drill relief. All the efforts to cap, funnel, junk shot or anything else was circus show to keep people entertained in the weeks it would take to relieve the well. People wouldn't accept that nothing could be done about it for weeks, so they needed hope, however tiny, of a quick fix solution (Just like everything else in our society.)

Unfortunately, at those depths, you are basically trying to lift the ocean. To say that there is high pressure would be an understatement. Capping that well is about as close to impossible as things get these days. Although they should definitely use this oppurtunity to practise. For next time.

EvilSteve
16th June 10, 12:05 PM
Yes, this is the conclusion I came to. This, I expect, is what Obama and everyone else on Capitol Hill knows, and what no one wants to say.

Obama, the dems and liberal media outlets won't say it because they'll appear weak and ineffectual (more than they already do).

The GOP and right wing media outlets won't say it because then they can't rake Obama over the coals for it, and it kind of throws a wrench in the "drill baby drill" works.

jkdbuck76
16th June 10, 12:22 PM
So am I hearing that the best way to solve the oil gushing problem is to sink another line or two into that bitch and drain it?

EvilSteve
16th June 10, 12:33 PM
Yep.

Scrapper
16th June 10, 01:40 PM
Which we knew all along.

When you have a burst pipe in your house, you go back along the pipe and close a valve so that there is no pressure at the rupture. Then you repair the rupture. You don't try to patch a leaking pipe under pressure.

With an oil well, you drill another well (or several) into the same source and relieve the pressure at the rupture. Flow rate varies with pressure and eventually your leak is stopped and repairable.

Do this experiment:

Fill your bathtub with water. Fill a small eye dropper with motor oil, place your hand at the bottom of the tub and realease one drop (squeeze hard to make some pressure!). Repeat this for two months.

What will start out as a cloudy amorphous area under the water, will resolve itself over time to discrete, floating blobs. The blobs are easy to clean, the cloud is not.

Environmentally, the cloud is not nearly as destructive as the blobs. Exxon Valdez was a fraction of the volume, but killed MANY animals, because the oil sat on the surface coating/killing birds, seals, and other wildlife at the surface, and preventing sunlight and oxygen from getting into the water.

Hell, crude oil is safe to drink if you dilute it enough, which is why at the beginning of this crisis there was almost no environmental impact. Now that there is enough oil out there, it is starting to form those blobs and slicks on the surface that are so catastrophic to ecosystems. Hopefully, the relief wells are underway.

Vacuuming up the oil will only work on the areas where there are significant slicks, which is only just now starting to happen. Hell, regular hay absorbs 80% of it's mass in oil. If it was all on the surface, we could just drop tons of hay and then pick it all up. But it's not. The oil is being dispersed 5000 feet below, which is better at first, if you fix it quick, but harder to deal with later if you don't.

Guess where we are at now?

resolve
16th June 10, 02:32 PM
Scrapper KNOWS!

billy sol hurok
16th June 10, 03:57 PM
Scrapper KNOWS!

The hell you say!

Why, he's not even a lawyer! (http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/06/15/the-gulf/)

Lebell
17th June 10, 03:56 AM
Sounds like the Dutch company are trying to convince everybody to use a bigger perimeter-> more ships -> more money for them.

Never trust the Dutch in business dealings, there's always some crooked angle.

yesterday it was on the news that the americans hired two other major dutch companies.
thats usually a bad sign.
one of em is Boskalis.

Stick
17th June 10, 01:06 PM
LoL, Sarah Palin's just as pissed off about this as Lebell is.

resolve
17th June 10, 01:55 PM
Lebell is Sarah Palin.

Spade: The Real Snake
17th June 10, 01:57 PM
if Lebell was Sarah Palin, he would be at home playing with himself all day instead of threadshitting

fes_fsa
17th June 10, 02:14 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l20aefkpmj1qb25dg.jpg

Ajamil
17th June 10, 10:26 PM
Sean Hannity was complaining that we turned away the Dutch yesterday. So far you've got Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity on your side, Lebell.

Lebell
18th June 10, 07:25 AM
i only know who sarah palin is.
she's the one who said she would be great in foreign diplomacy cos where she lived she could see russia from her house, right?


lolol

resolve
23rd June 10, 06:09 PM
Lebell, our plan is working. Stop interfering with our plan to retake the Western Colony. Our Royal Families are related, after all.


Yeah but there's never any UK colonialism without some good ol' fashioned native american killing!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/06/100608-us-oil-gulf-indians-video/


The town of Grand Bayou, Louisiana, has no streets and no cars, just water and boats. And now the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico threatens the very existence of the Atakapa-Ishak Indians who live there. "We're facing the potential for cultural genocide," says one tribe member.

...............

“Well this is the Grand Bayou Village and we are a subsistence community. We have been here for centuries. And we live here. We make our living from the harvest of the waterways and this is also where we get our food that we eat.”

Rosina Philippe is Atakapa-Ishak, a Native American tribe. Like others, it is not recognized by the federal government.

For decades, the Atakapa and other native groups here have adapted to the loss of wetlands, the encroachment of the oil and gas industry, and hurricanes.

But the latest spill could be the final straw. Fishing and shrimping is at a standstill, and the oil keeps creeping into the marshes.

Cullion
23rd June 10, 06:17 PM
I didn't realise we allowed our Halliburton chumps to reignite their old ethnic grievances. Sorry, we'll put a stop to that.