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resolve
25th May 10, 01:58 PM
Irony?

Planned?

Spit in the face of Americans?

A true attempt at "reconciliation"?

Whatever the true intentions... it just strikes me as really rather odd.

Who wants to take a bet that this ends up as a Muslim holy site for those who espouse terrorist ideals? Even though the mosque and community center are more than likely being built for honorable intentions, it just doesn't seem right; and seems like eventually it would attract the Muslims who do participate in the "Islam will take over", "Jews must die", or "Stop persecuting us! Or we'll riot, threaten, and kill!" mindsets. Yes, I do realize that muslims died in the attack too. Yes, most American muslims are very moderate, but its kind of proven history that they really don't have any voice or sway over their radical brethren while more and more mosques and muslim charities become involved with the terrorist ideal.

Adouglasmhor
25th May 10, 02:10 PM
It's two blocks away and near a church and synagogue. Should Muslims working in the area be denied a place of worship?

resolve
25th May 10, 02:21 PM
It's also in a building that was hit by pieces of the plane. Soon as it was offered up for sale local muslims bought it.


Mosques in Manhattan (http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=mosques+in+new+york&fb=1&gl=us&hq=mosques&hnear=new+york&view=text&ei=GCH8S-COJY7ENp63_JoB&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQtQMwAA)

There are lots of mosques nearby. Why did they have to choose that exact spot to make a mosque? Usually when churches are erected its when there's christians in an area that need a place to worship (usually starting out of storefronts or people's houses until they can find a space). When synagogues are erected it's the same reason. I can imagine mosques are the same way. Now usually when there's such a density of churches its because there are different denominations all setting up in the same area. However, I don't think this is a case of sunni/shiite muslims trying to get equal representation in an area. I feel this was deliberate. If you'll note it's not just a mosque but also a complete "cultural center" with a museum of American Islam with the express purpose of offering a place for dialogue (as the guy heading this up has stated) and a community center for everyone around to participate in activities. You didn't see this group of Muslims meeting in someone's house or some small place they could afford first.

That's why I feel suspicious about the altruism of their intentions. That's my initial reaction.

Adouglasmhor
25th May 10, 03:05 PM
So what? Really why is this a problem? Do you think they will lay down a Thirteen Point Program to Destroy America?

Kiko
25th May 10, 03:09 PM
There are churches in Jerusalem after the crusades, right?

Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt....

Hedley LaMarr
25th May 10, 03:09 PM
This doesn't really bother me. Yes the fanatic Islams will take this as some sort of victory, but they specialize in construing things as a victory for themselves. I'm not going to let terrorist spin doctoring prevent Muslim Americans whose family members died in 9/11 worship for their lost loved ones.

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resolve
25th May 10, 04:14 PM
There are churches in Jerusalem after the crusades, right?

Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt....


Most churches in Jerusalem were there before the crusades. Jerusalem was part of a massive christian world that spanned from Ireland down to Africa all the way to China and into Japan. That's actually one of the reasons the crusades was started, the Islamic rulers cut off people coming for pilgrimmages. Yes, there were some churches erected during the reign of the christian Kingdom of Jerusalem and I'm sure at least one of them was political if not alot more.

Still doesn't make the sentiment right Kiko.

They already have mosques in Manhattan. I'm just confused as to why they would want that particular building. The lead Imam of this center also has said some really shady stuff in the past about how 9/11 was really America's fault, Muslims weren't the real perpetrators of the attacks, and that it doesn't matter if muslim charities give to terrorist organizations as long as they do real charity work as well. It just makes things really suspect.

The imam paid the 4.85 million for it in cash. The size of it is planned to be huge and they are planning the opening day to be September 11, 2011.

It's getting alot of mixed reactions from everyone living down there too:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/index.html
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=534342
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/imam-bought-ground-zero-mosque-for-4-85m-cash/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7731852/Ground-Zero-mosque-plan-angers-New-Yorkers.html

I won't apologize for not being PC and rolling around taking it up the liberal butt about this when it just seems so weird. Building a mosque in New York for a growing muslim population? Fine. Just everything else, all the surrounding symbolism, the timing, the placement, and things that don't add up about what this guy is trying to get across as his "muslim message" is creeping me out a bit.


Writing in The Huffington Post on Monday, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, an Orthodox rabbi and media personality, suggested the main focus of the Cordoba House should be a memorial and museum dedicated to 9/11 victims.

"If the groups building the Cultural Center and mosque are prepared to make this its focus, they will have proven that they are not only enormously sensitive to the families of the victims who lost loved ones there, but that they are courageous voices who wish to take back their religion from the fiends who purport to represent it."

Yet, that's not what this center is going to be about at all.

Fearless Ukemi
25th May 10, 04:16 PM
Funny, mine are for Muslim singles and gay thug dating.

But this, the thread topic, doesn't really bother me.

EDIT --- post in before mine above me there. The opening on 9/11 is in bad taste.

SoulMechanic
25th May 10, 04:18 PM
If the dune coons want to praise ali baba or who ever in a old run down Burlington Coat factory, so be it.

Ajamil
25th May 10, 04:46 PM
Think of it this way, resolve - now they'll all gather in one place and we can ram a plane into their building.

Looking at your link, and for as crowded a place as New York is, that's not really a whole lot of mosques. Compare to churches in new york. (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=churches%20in%20new%20york&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl) Or synagogues.
(http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=synagogues%20in%20new%20york&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl)
What we really need is more Hare Krishna temples (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=ISKCON%20in%20new%20york&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl). (Hmmph, they don't even show the museum on 26th 2nd Ave.)

I'd like to think the opening date and other such parallels is an attempt to acknowledge the harm and an attempt to repair relationships. I agree that it's failing miserably.

(There, hopefully the links work now.)

SoulMechanic
25th May 10, 04:50 PM
Good Idea Arjuna, place a Hare temple right next to the Muslims. The smell of dirty ass "food" they cook should be torture enough for them to move their shit to New jersey.

Cullion
25th May 10, 04:55 PM
It only seems fair, after all they did win that round.

Ajamil
25th May 10, 05:28 PM
You want us to bring some democracy over to Britain? You best be shuttin up.

Cullion
25th May 10, 05:31 PM
Oh we've got your democracy. We've got your democracy all over our pretty, innocent little face. And we've had enough now. It's too expensive and we never get a reacharound.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
25th May 10, 06:29 PM
I want to build a second mosque on GZ just to spite you.

Hedley LaMarr
25th May 10, 08:20 PM
The only real solution to this is to fight back, church for Mosque. What we need to do is kill Osama, and before his followers can turn it into a religious site we must construct a Baptist Church/Denny's there.

Ajamil
25th May 10, 08:34 PM
A Baptist Church/Denny's would be awesome. They could have the Scourge Slam, and the King of the Juice Carafe, Eggs Iscariot, and the No Jews Meat Skillet with bacon, ham, and pork sausage.

WarPhalange
26th May 10, 12:20 AM
I'm browsing Ground Zero now and I don't see no mosque. Only some bullshit about Texans being idiots.

Adouglasmhor
26th May 10, 03:06 AM
Oh we've got your democracy. We've got your democracy all over our pretty, innocent little face. And we've had enough now. It's too expensive and we never get a reacharound.

Yeah we had to put up with "presidential" debates on TV this time round. Only good thing was Salmond being denied a place at the grown ups table, the little shit was raging.

Steve
26th May 10, 03:15 AM
Resolve, what are your thoughts on racial profiling? Just curious.

mrblackmagic
26th May 10, 10:37 AM
I get what they're trying to do, I commend them for doing it, but I predict a spike in hate crimes in the area if they are successful.

Iscariot
26th May 10, 11:57 AM
It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?

Would any of you have cared if a Christian group had turned this same building into a place of devotion for their nailed god? No? Then you're discriminating against a religion based on your emotional bias. This is illegal in your country last time I checked so either shut the fuck up already, or all of you vote Republican at the next elections so some moron can make your bastardised version of English your official language and ban Islam for national security reasons.

Vieux Normand
26th May 10, 12:37 PM
Every mosque, church and synagogue should be considered 'ground zero'.

Adouglasmhor
26th May 10, 12:38 PM
Wait. stop hold the thread.

Those dirty fenian bastards have built a sandwich bar at the Arndale centre in Manchester. http://www.viewmanchester.co.uk/restaurants/obriens-sandwich-bar-info-32135.html
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Pz4L1ceCOH8/StdBNrdg_5I/AAAAAAAAFxk/yUa6YCYbdoA/s320/O%27Briens+sandwich+bar+brand.jpg
Of course we all know it's a front they will be selling semtex with the sarnies, bullets with the baguettes and M16s with the mayonaise.


It's only 14 years since Irish patriots terrorist scum bombed the place flat injuring 212 people. Now they are selling bread products is their no depth to which they will sink.

Will no one think of the children?

Lebell
26th May 10, 01:13 PM
don't look at me, ive always advocated a genocide against the irish.

Feryk
26th May 10, 04:07 PM
You guys are funny. Think like Americans! Specifically American Real Estate Developers.

Let them build their mosque. Praise it as a testimony to the open mindedness of the Freedom Lovin' 'Merican people. Then buy up all the land around it at a discount, because who would want to own real estate next to the mosque?

Renegotiate the air rights with the city of New York. Build a Casino that surrounds the mosque on all sides. Make it 100 stories tall. Put Churches and Synagogues right next door in an effort to be seen as more than just capitalists. Put a golf course on the roof.

Call it Trump's Testimony to Excess or something he can put his name on.

Xioxou
26th May 10, 10:04 PM
I won't apologize for not being PCIt's not that you're not being PC, it's that you're a moron.

Besides the editorial, I see no mention of it opening on September 11th. In fact, the CNN article says
Cordoba House is still in its early stages of development. The American Society for Muslim Advancement is hoping to raise funds for the center to be completed in three to five years.and the second editorial claims that it has been in use as a mosque for some time already.

Ajamil
26th May 10, 10:32 PM
It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?No. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor)

Dr. Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative Vermin
27th May 10, 04:27 AM
I think they should build a McDonalds on ground zero

Ajamil
27th May 10, 05:31 AM
Two blocks isn't close enough? (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mcdonalds%20in%20new%20york&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl)

Cullion
27th May 10, 06:41 AM
It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?

Would any of you have cared if a Christian group had turned this same building into a place of devotion for their nailed god? No? Then you're discriminating against a religion based on your emotional bias.

That's not illegal in the US, just in the UK.

Domite
27th May 10, 11:05 AM
Who the fuck cares? Nobody in nyc, thats for sure.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th May 10, 04:37 PM
Good Idea Arjuna, place a Hare temple right next to the Muslims. The smell of dirty ass "food" they cook should be torture enough for them to move their shit to New jersey.

Like they could smell that shit OVER the smell of Jersey

SoulMechanic
27th May 10, 04:57 PM
Tanning products and bronzer burn out your sense of smell. It's a fact, saw that shit on jerseylicious.

SoulMechanic
27th May 10, 05:05 PM
It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?

Would any of you have cared if a Christian group had turned this same building into a place of devotion for their nailed god? No? Then you're discriminating against a religion based on your emotional bias. This is illegal in your country last time I checked so either shut the fuck up already, or all of you vote Republican at the next elections so some moron can make your bastardised version of English your official language and ban Islam for national security reasons.


That's not our style dickhead. Sounds like somebody never got the fuck over the fact we ran your sorry asses out of the new world.


Wait. stop hold the thread.

Those dirty fenian bastards have built a sandwich bar at the Arndale centre in Manchester. http://www.viewmanchester.co.uk/rest...nfo-32135.html

Of course we all know it's a front they will be selling semtex with the sarnies, bullets with the baguettes and M16s with the mayonaise.


It's only 14 years since Irish patriots terrorist scum bombed the place flat injuring 212 people. Now they are selling bread products is their no depth to which they will sink.

Will no one think of the children?

That's funny, but ehhh, how bout not being a jerk off for a minute. Sound good?
How the fuck is the injury of 212 people on the same level of the death of roughly 3,000?

Adouglasmhor
27th May 10, 05:27 PM
That's not our style dickhead. Sounds like somebody never got the fuck over the fact we ran your sorry asses out of the new world.Canada is in the new world, Australia is in the new world, New Zealand is in the New world,British honduras was in the New World, the Falklands and South Georgia and Ascension are in the new world, the Bahamas, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Turks and Caicos islands, British Virgin Islands are all in the new world. Stop talking shit



That's funny, but ehhh, how bout not being a jerk off for a minute. Sound good?
How the fuck is the injury of 212 people on the same level of the death of roughly 3,000?It's not but it's verified 3145 men and 321 Women directly died as a result of the troubles, that was just one part of it, get over it

I see your style is ignoring your nation's constitution well done - I guess that makes you a patriot.

SoulMechanic
27th May 10, 06:10 PM
I'm truly sorry your shit country lost its empire. Congrats on taking the noble stand and kicking Argentina's ass and regaining your precious Falklands though. Way to show the world you're still the kingpins of naval supremacy. Oh wait, your not. You knew what part of the Americas I was referring to when I said "new world" dipshit. Must really suck, being in the big leagues for so long only to end up riding the bench for the stars and bars. Do me a favor and ask Mr. Blair what G Dub's cock tastes like?

When did I "ignore" my nations constitution? Seriously, please show me where I did that.

You and Iscariot are entitled to your opinion but you are not Americans. How about getting over the fact that we in general have a lack of interest in your countries opinions. Maybe go consul with Canada, pretty sure they have that stuffy bitch's face on some of their currency. I suggest you go back to burying your nose in those dusty history books and regain your raging hard-on of times past where you and your goddamn royal family were still relevant.

Or make yourself truly useful and be so kind as to educate me on what makes the British de facto constitution so great. Wait, lemme guess. it has something to do with the royal prerogative doesn't it?

Cullion
27th May 10, 06:14 PM
SM, you've been a little bit angry the last couple of weeks. S'up?

FickleFingerOfFate
27th May 10, 07:07 PM
I see your style is ignoring your nation's constitution well done - I guess that makes you a patriot.

No, a Republican.

Adouglasmhor
28th May 10, 02:17 AM
I'm truly sorry your shit country lost its empire. Congrats on taking the noble stand and kicking Argentina's ass and regaining your precious Falklands though. Way to show the world you're still the kingpins of naval supremacy. Oh wait, your not. You knew what part of the Americas I was referring to when I said "new world" dipshit. Must really suck, being in the big leagues for so long only to end up riding the bench for the stars and bars. Do me a favor and ask Mr. Blair what G Dub's cock tastes like?

When did I "ignore" my nations constitution? Seriously, please show me where I did that.

You and Iscariot are entitled to your opinion but you are not Americans. How about getting over the fact that we in general have a lack of interest in your countries opinions. Maybe go consul with Canada, pretty sure they have that stuffy bitch's face on some of their currency. I suggest you go back to burying your nose in those dusty history books and regain your raging hard-on of times past where you and your goddamn royal family were still relevant.

Or make yourself truly useful and be so kind as to educate me on what makes the British de facto constitution so great. Wait, lemme guess. it has something to do with the royal prerogative doesn't it?

We don't have a constitution as such. We have rights legislation and can appeal all the way up to the house of Lords or the European court if we feel the need. The Royal family are an anachronism but the Queen fills a constitutional function. Other than opening parliament, the Queen's speech at Christmas and a small admin role she takes nothing to do with running the country.


The bit you are ignoring seems to me to be the 1st amendment , you know the freedom of religion bit.

I highlighted part of, you said the Americas not Part of,. I am happy for you really. People hundreds of years before you were born kicked out their slightly tyrannical government and replaced it with something a bit better. Well done, you must be so proud. I can now judge you the same as Scots who go on about Bannockburn but were obviously not there, Ulsterman who relive the Boyne and English who hark back at Agincourt and Cressy. Well done I wish I had done something as historicaly important, no wait you fucking were not there, it happened long ago, you can't really claim a lot of credit for it. Yet, "I suggest you go back to burying your nose in those dusty history books and regain your raging hard-on of times past", really you can do better than that, I hope?

SoulMechanic
28th May 10, 03:00 AM
The bit you are ignoring seems to me to be the 1st amendment , you know the freedom of religion bit.

Where exactly did I ignore the freedom of religion bit? Look back and re-read.


















Cliffs notes. I never did.

Adouglasmhor
28th May 10, 03:07 AM
It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?

Would any of you have cared if a Christian group had turned this same building into a place of devotion for their nailed god? No? Then you're discriminating against a religion based on your emotional bias. This is illegal in your country last time I checked so either shut the fuck up already, or all of you vote Republican at the next elections so some moron can make your bastardised version of English your official language and ban Islam for national security reasons.


That's not our style dickhead. Sounds like somebody never got the fuck over the fact we ran your sorry asses out of the new world.




So were you not advocating religious discrimination in this reply to Iscariot? It's not 100% clear but that was the inference I took, I would be very pleased if you could convince me otherwise, I would rather be proved wrong than right in this example.

Iscariot
28th May 10, 03:46 AM
That's not our style dickhead. Sounds like somebody never got the fuck over the fact we ran your sorry asses out of the new world.
Awww, poor baby. How did that sneak attack trying to conquer Canada go? You know the one where we were busy fighting Napoleon at the same time?

Renovating the White House is just a free service that we provide.

Also I'm glad you brought up the Falklands, although what it has to do with a religious centre in Manhattan no-one knows, because there's an example of how to run a war. We went to a place on the other side of the world that was calling out for democracy and executed a regime change. It took us three months including the the time it took to make the commute. How's Iraq going for you? How long have you been there now? Should I mention Afghanistan?

SoulMechanic
28th May 10, 04:09 AM
So were you not advocating religious discrimination in this reply to Iscariot? It's not 100% clear but that was the inference I took, I would be very pleased if you could convince me otherwise, I would rather be proved wrong than right in this example.


No my friend, not at all. In hindsight this is the part I should have quoted. My mistake.

''It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?''

I was stating, it is not your "Iscariot and yourselves" place to determine when or why it should be an appropriate time for us to get over the horrors of 9/11. Go back and read my first post in the thread. Although it was by no means P.C.(I was joking, albeit crudely but was still joking.) I do believe the gist of what I said was if they want to convert a defunct Burlington Coat Factory into their place of worship it was fine by me(that is exactly what they intend to do). Now that you have placed it into context I can clearly see where the confusion started.

SoulMechanic
28th May 10, 04:13 AM
If the dune coons want to praise ali baba or who ever in a old run down Burlington Coat factory, so be it.

Quoted to prove I am guilty of being an asshole and not of ignoring the freedom of religion.

Adouglasmhor
28th May 10, 04:20 AM
No my friend, not at all. In hindsight this is the part I should have quoted. My mistake.

''It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?''

I was stating, it is not your "Iscariot and yourselves" place to determine when or why it should be an appropriate time for us to get over the horrors of 9/11. Go back and read my first post in the thread. Although it was by no means P.C.(I was joking, albeit crudely but was still joking.) I do believe the gist of what I said was if they want to convert a defunct Burlington Coat Factory into their place of worship it was fine by me(that is exactly what they intend to do). Now that you have placed it into context I can clearly see where the confusion started.
Thanks, I appreciate that and apologise unreservedly for the comments questioning your attitude to religious freedom.

I never said a timescale for getting over it but I think maybe it's time some of your citizens started getting over their need to punish all muslims for the actions of a few.
We have even stopped burning catholics here.

Adouglasmhor
28th May 10, 04:27 AM
BTW when should Sikhs start getting over their brother who was murdered after 9/11 for wearing a turban?

SoulMechanic
28th May 10, 04:41 AM
I never said a timescale for getting over it but I think maybe it's time some of your citizens started getting over their need to punish all muslims for the actions of a few.

This statement made me assume a timescale was indeed implied and on our part expired.

It's only 14 years since Irish patriots terrorist scum bombed the place flat injuring 212 people. Now they are selling bread products is their no depth to which they will sink.


BTW when should Sikhs start getting over their brother who was murdered after 9/11 for wearing a turban?

Great question. There is no correct answer.

Lebell
28th May 10, 04:49 AM
''It's been nine years. Do you think it might be time to get the fuck over it?''

I was stating, it is not your "Iscariot and yourselves" place to determine when or why it should be an appropriate time for us to get over the horrors of 9/11.


hahahaha!
this is what's so amusing for Europeans:

' the horrors of 9/11 boohoohoo!'
two attacks with 3000 deaths.
thats a no thing in Europe, you know ww2 where americans make fun of European being cowards?
You just had a tiny little taste of a ww2 like situation and you're still shitting your pants over it.

SoulMechanic
28th May 10, 05:10 AM
HA! Silly and insensitive me. I need to get me one of those what would Jesus do bracelets. Only its, what would Holland Do? Please forgive my nation figuring we do not have a long standing tradition of bending over and grabbing our ankles at any and all signs of possible confrontation. On second thought, maybe it should be a WWHD anklet.

Lebell
28th May 10, 05:25 AM
HA! Silly and insensitive me. I need to get me one of those what would Jesus do bracelets. Only its, what would Holland Do? Please forgive my nation figuring we do not have a long standing tradition of bending over and grabbing our ankles at any and all signs of possible confrontation. On second thought, maybe it should be a WWHD anklet.

History phail.

Anyway, if i'd follow your logic the usa would come off looking worse and more cowardly thenany average european country.
let's take a look at the usa and its wars.
the usa by itself has, as far as i know never won a war by itself.
they joined in on ww1 in 1917, the last year of ww1.
then they cowardly stuck to themselves on their distant continent when a vicious war raged over europe.

then pearl harbor occured and the americans shitted themselves.
mass hysteria ensued and everywhere along the westcoast secret japanese divisions were spotted.
when they finally recovered their testicles they joined in on ww2, fighting the japanese and later on in europe where they consequently got their asses kicked, unless they outnumbered the enemy 5 to 1, with full air superiority and faced with inferior enemy army divisions.
and even then it took them MONTHS to win any given campaign.

the usa quickly discovered that when facing a competent enemy its soldiers werent as effective so instead they changed policy, to now together with plenty of allies (never alone) pick on poor underdevelopped countres, buteven that they managed to screw up:

korea, stalemate.

vietnam:loss

panama:stalemate/loss.

somalia: 5 dead pilots dragged through a street was enough for the usa to run with the tail between its legs.

gulfwar1: fighting the evil saddam who the usa helped to power and armed.
obvious fuck up: nstead of pushing to baghdad the cowards didnt finish it because they were affraid of citywarfare.

gulfwar2: still going on since 2003, stalemate.
afghanistan: idem dito.with the exception that were-ever the allies run a province they score significant higher in resultsthen the american held sectors.


so please, tell me what makes america sucha awesome nation?

Lebell
28th May 10, 05:32 AM
oh and also this: wats with the ridiculous idea you guys have that its somehow the usa's role to ' do something' in the world?

do you people have any idea why everyone hates you?
not because you have 'freedom' or whatever.
its because theUSA can be compared with a fat retarded kid:
he's superbig so you rather not mess with him, but also he's pretty fucking stupid...imagine this kid standing in front of your house and looking at it, he then gets the idea that your house is no good and takes it up on himself to ' improve' your house by torching it and buring it to the ground burning half of your family with it.
after he is done ' improving' your house he's insulted you are angry with him and think you're ungratefull.

you know what the sweet irony of it all is?
most of the conflicts you guys are facing now is a direct result of your own foreign policy: america extorts other countries to deliver them cheap resources, then when the oppressive regimes they support result in fanatic terrorist groups who hate the usa they act all surprised.

the usa creates terrorism, by supporting israel for example, it created iran how it is now, and many many more things.

SoulMechanic
28th May 10, 05:34 AM
Big tard kid says grab your ankles lebell. You want this the hard way?....

nihilist
28th May 10, 05:38 AM
Lebel says: why bring mosques to GZ when you can bring GZ to the mosques?

Lebell
28th May 10, 09:57 AM
Lebel says: why bring mosques to GZ when you can bring GZ to the mosques?

it is a sunny day in june 2025, and in NYC a father is walking with his kid through a wonderfull park, they pass by this monument.
The kid asks his dad: daddy? what does it say on that stone wall?'
The father reads to his kid:' This monument commemorates all that died in the muslim attacks of 9/11..'
The kid asks his father: ' daddy? who were the muslims?'


lolol [email protected]!

Vieux Normand
28th May 10, 10:22 AM
You knew what part of the Americas I was referring to when I said "new world" dipshit.

How would he "know" this?

If Joe's Boyzz have dealers selling drugs in Queen's, Manhattan and the Bronx--and then Ahmed's Assholes expand their own operations by turfing Joe's dealers out of Queen's--can Ahmed then claim that his gang ran his rivals' "sorry asses out of New York"?

Just curious...

EDIT: Anyway, 'twas quite amusing to see how quickly things got poisonous in that little exchange...like a sudden 'n' merry mutual hate-fuck. Was it good?

Lebell
28th May 10, 10:24 AM
hatefucks can be the best.

FickleFingerOfFate
28th May 10, 03:19 PM
hatefucks can be the best.


Haven't we warned you about promiscuous sex with angry men?

Your O-ring won't put up with that forever.

Feryk
28th May 10, 04:32 PM
His O-ring looks like a deflated inner tube by now.

lant3rn
28th May 10, 04:35 PM
His O-ring looks like a deflated inner tube by now.

Not satisfying anymore, is it?

Feryk
28th May 10, 04:39 PM
Nah. He whistles in the wind when he walks backwards. It's no fun anymore.

Ajamil
28th May 10, 04:43 PM
But he can blame every single one of his farts on someone else!

Feryk
28th May 10, 05:15 PM
He blames America.

lant3rn
28th May 10, 06:17 PM
He blames America.

What??

Don't you remember his memorial day rant.

wOzG7bBylRo

Lebell rant 2.0... now with funny!!!!

nihilist
15th August 10, 02:48 PM
Here we go, folks, Pat Condell ranting like a religious extremist
vjS0Novt3X4

EuropIan
15th August 10, 02:56 PM
Pat Condell is afraid of brown people.

I also think the hypocrisy of the ADL is laugh tastic. All the while being infuriating.

EuropIan
15th August 10, 03:03 PM
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Truculent Sheep
15th August 10, 04:37 PM
Did the terrorists win on 9/11?

If not, let them build the centre.

elipson
15th August 10, 06:47 PM
That's exactly what a terrorist would say.

Terrorist I say!!!


Seriously America, I can't decide if it's hilarious or tragically depressing how quickly Americans are willing to slash and burn the very values that built their country into the awesomeness that it is.

Somewhere the founding fathers are turning in their graves.

HappyOldGuy
15th August 10, 06:51 PM
Naah, they are patting themselves on the back. Because they knew people were like this, which is exactly why they hid the power to discriminate on this stuff way back on the top shelf where they couldn't get to it.

Remember that for all the bigots whining. At the end of the day there is exactly zero chance that they can win.

SifuAbel
15th August 10, 07:09 PM
All I can say is Ruuuuuuuuuuuun , its the terror babies!!!

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Ajamil
15th August 10, 10:37 PM
Have we mentioned here that the mosque won't even be visible from Ground Zero, yet?

SoulMechanic
15th August 10, 11:48 PM
I'd like to hear the opinions of the limeys of how their government and the general opinion of the people was over the troubles. Think you guys handled that well?

elipson
16th August 10, 12:21 AM
Have we mentioned here that the mosque won't even be visible from Ground Zero, yet?

What I think is particularly awesome is that there is ALREADY a Mosque that's CLOSER to ground zero, and has been there long before 9/11.

Adouglasmhor
16th August 10, 01:19 AM
I'd like to hear the opinions of the limeys of how their government and the general opinion of the people was over the troubles. Think you guys handled that well?


Can't say about the Government but I was shit hot and professional in the province. I think the handling of the troubles in the 70s and the run up in the 60s was bad enough that it took till the mid to late 80s to make any reasonable progress.

Truculent Sheep
16th August 10, 05:26 AM
I'd like to hear the opinions of the limeys of how their government and the general opinion of the people was over the troubles. Think you guys handled that well?

Yes and no. Certainly the public wasn't very happy when it turned out that lots of innocent people had confessions beaten out of them for crimes the IRA committed. Conversely, there was no open anti-Irish backlash beyond the excesses of the gutter press and the security services who, as we all know, are unnaccountable thugs at the best of times.

Tellingly, there was little dissent regarding the Good Friday deal in 1998, even though a fair few Republican (and Loyalist) murderers got released. The public felt it was necessary for peace, and the last 12 years show - despite the actions of Republican dissidents - that this has been vindicated.

Cullion
16th August 10, 06:04 AM
My mother and some of my other relatives got the occasional dirty look when people who read 'tard newspapers heard their accent in the days after an incident, but that was extremely rare. We didn't over-react in the way we did during the Blair years. Nobody was proposing identity cards etc..

You have to remember that the whole time the troubles were happening, their were Irish catholics serving in the British Army, getting married to Brits etc..

The protestant-british/celtic-catholic divide was something of a mystery to most English people. They couldn't really see what the fight was over.

You could've lived in England with a southern Irish accent the whole time and barely noticed it. In Northern Ireland and parts of Scotland it was srs business though.

Lebell
16th August 10, 07:37 AM
yeah that whole nothern ireland was/is a retarded conflict.
asnd believe me, ive spoken to a shitload of people from both sides.
what i usually asked was: can yu explain me the conflict in two or three sentences?

never.
always vague things bout what happened in the 20ies and how they were mistreated and what not.

SoulMechanic
16th August 10, 10:06 AM
I cant wait to hear your opinions when this sort of shit starts happening again, only with the brown people. Reactions might be just a tad different, figuring it will be dealing with a different culture, physical appearance and religion.

EuropIan
16th August 10, 10:09 AM
wait, so there wasn't an Islamic terror attack on London in 2005?

nihilist
16th August 10, 10:10 AM
It wasn't a Moslem. Lebell did it.

SoulMechanic
16th August 10, 10:11 AM
Not of a 9/11 magnitude dude.

EuropIan
16th August 10, 10:12 AM
Neither were the Irish ones, dude.

SoulMechanic
16th August 10, 10:14 AM
Yes but they were a series of incidents, not so much isolated like 2005, broham.

EuropIan
16th August 10, 10:27 AM
Imagine if Mexicans performed a minor terrorist attack in Arizona, Bromium.


It's not like Moslems were completely anonymous in the political discourse

nihilist
16th August 10, 10:30 AM
So like if the Moslems pay better than their american foes, Mexicans could be hired to perform the tasks that regular terrorists don't want to do?

ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE FOUND THE HOLE!

Ajamil
16th August 10, 10:47 AM
Is it gaping yet?

EuropIan
16th August 10, 10:50 AM
So like if the Moslems pay better than their american foes, Mexicans could be hired to perform the tasks that regular terrorists don't want to do?

ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE FOUND THE HOLE!
they are taking their derka derka jerbs.

Truculent Sheep
16th August 10, 11:33 AM
Yes but they were a series of incidents, not so much isolated like 2005, broham.

Pamela Geller wants her narrative back, SM...

OZZ
16th August 10, 11:37 AM
I just read the entire thread..and to throw in my two cents I would have to say that I agree with Resolve. This mosque will undoubtedly be on the 'places to visit in America' list of all radical muslims and non radical muslims alike..
Nothing good can come from having a mosque in such close proximity to Ground Zero..this will be a decision that people will regret down the road.

EuropIan
16th August 10, 11:40 AM
Yes, how dare they adhere to their first amendment principles

Spade: The Real Snake
16th August 10, 11:44 AM
I still think putting a Ghey Bar next door to the Mosque is the finest in counter-trolling

Lebell
16th August 10, 11:59 AM
I think everybody in the USA and UK will be safe for the coming years.
You see, as we speak the new Dutch government is being formed and mr Wilders will be most likely in it.
Yes, THAT mr Wilders.
Soon he's off to the demonstration in NYC, he will speak there and also he has a lt of supporters and financers from rightwinged America.

Combine the spicey remarks mr Wilders make with a HUGE muslim minority here and shitty police and homelandsecurity and i think we can bet money where the next terrorattacks will happen.

OZZ
16th August 10, 12:09 PM
Yes, how dare they adhere to their first amendment principles

Just because they have the 'right' to do something doesn't mean it is a good idea...

Ajamil
16th August 10, 12:10 PM
Yes, THAT mr Wilders. http://cort-xforum.rilngard.net/enclosures/Tsolaelia_31.jpg

I'm pretty sure his last name doesn't have an s.

I just read the entire thread..and to throw in my two cents I would have to say that I agree with Resolve. This mosque will undoubtedly be on the 'places to visit in America' list of all radical muslims and non radical muslims alike..So?

Nothing good can come from having a mosque in such close proximity to Ground Zero..this will be a decision that people will regret down the road.Should they tear down the one that's closer?

OZZ
16th August 10, 12:16 PM
I don't care to debate on this one..all I am saying is that I don't think it is a good ldea and it will come back to haunt Americans down the road.
This friendly fellow seems to think its a good idea..
.
Hamas leader: Ground zero mosque must be built

Mon Aug 16, 6:43 AM


By The Associated Press



NEW YORK, N.Y. - A Hamas leader says Muslims "have to build" a mosque near ground zero.


Mahmoud al-Zahar said Muslims "have to build everywhere" so that followers can pray, just like Christians and Jews build their places of worship.


Al-Zahar spoke Sunday on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC-AM. He is a co-founder of Hamas and its chief on the Gaza Strip.


Sen. Chuck Schumer says Al-Zahar's comments don't carry any weight because Hamas is a terrorist organization. Schumer hasn't taken a stand on the mosque.


Rep. Peter King, who opposes the mosque, says he won't respond to Hamas.


The mosque is a project of the Cordoba Initiative, an advocacy group that promotes improved relations between Islam and the West. It didn't respond to Al-Zahar's comments

Ajamil
16th August 10, 12:32 PM
The only thing that will haunt us is if some idiot hates it so much they try to blow it up. As for the Hamas leader, firstly he has a point that Muslims should build mosques wherever they can, and second I really don't care what he says in regards to how to run the US. I certainly hope we're not so easily manipulated that him saying yes makes us immediately say no.

Spade: The Real Snake
16th August 10, 12:32 PM
Fuck it.
Put a VFW and American Legion across the street.
A GHEYBAR on one side and a Biker Bar on the other side.

Shotgun Christening
16th August 10, 12:36 PM
The only thing that will haunt us is if some idiot hates it so much they try to blow it up. As for the Hamas leader, firstly he has a point that Muslims should build mosques wherever they can, and second I really don't care what he says in regards to how to run the US. I certainly hope we're not so easily manipulated that him saying yes makes us immediately say no.


This is what they want to happen.

EuropIan
16th August 10, 12:40 PM
I don't care to debate on this one..all I am saying is that I don't think it is a good ldea and it will come back to haunt Americans down the road.
This friendly fellow seems to think its a good idea..
.

I agree it might be a bad idea in the sense that some idiot might get the wrong idea and try to blow it up "cuz liberty".

Cullion
16th August 10, 12:47 PM
The gay bar sounds like a super idea.

Truculent Sheep
16th August 10, 04:04 PM
There's already (http://daryllang.com/blog/4421) a strip club, a betting shop, an 'Oirish' theme bar and a kosher pizza joint nearby. A gay bar and a pork butcher's is hardly going to raise eyebrows - it is New York, after all. This is a non-controversy over a non-issue.

SoulMechanic
16th August 10, 04:23 PM
Pamela Geller wants her narrative back, SM...
I'm just gonna shrug this little jab off. Asshole. ; )

Ajamil
16th August 10, 04:30 PM
And a strip club? No, a lesbian strip club.

SoulMechanic
16th August 10, 04:37 PM
Imagine if Mexicans performed a minor terrorist attack in Arizona, Bromium.

It happens on a daily basis, we call it drug trafficking. What now bromosexual?

Shotgun Christening
16th August 10, 05:18 PM
It happens on a daily basis, we call it drug trafficking. What now bromosexual?


No, I was informed on another thread that this wasnt happening on the US side yet.

lant3rn
16th August 10, 05:19 PM
It happens on a daily basis, we call it drug trafficking. What now bromosexual?

If it wasn't them it would be someone else.




And like elipson said, there is already a mosque located 4 blocs away.

It's planned to be a Islamic Cultural center, open to the public, that will include a small mosque but other amenities as well.


outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)

a 500-seat auditorium

a restaurant and culinary school

cultural amenities including exhibitions

education programs

a library, reading room and art studios

childcare services

a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community

a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

http://www.park51.org/facilities.html

you can read about it here.

Cullion
16th August 10, 05:20 PM
Cutting in on the CIA's action? They're fucked.

Spade: The Real Snake
16th August 10, 05:21 PM
If it wasn't them it would be someone else.
so that excuses it?





And like elipson said, there is already a mosque located 4 blocs away.

It's planned to be a Islamic Cultural center, open to the public, that will include a small mosque but other amenities as well.



http://www.park51.org/facilities.html

you can read about it here.
Just enough to keep it in Tax Exempt Status.
Got it.

lant3rn
16th August 10, 05:25 PM
so that excuses it?



No, but i wouldn't refer to drug trafficking as terrorism,


Those drugs have such a high demand, you would kind of be suggesting the US is asking for it.

Almost in LOVE with it.

Shotgun Christening
16th August 10, 05:30 PM
Barack said...

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Ajamil
16th August 10, 06:01 PM
I love how they try to one-up Scooby and the gang by having two Freds: a plain and a hippy version. Both with ascots.

nihilist
16th August 10, 06:47 PM
I still think putting a Ghey Bar next door to the Mosque is the finest in counter-trolling

Call it PORKFEAST

Robot Jesus
16th August 10, 08:14 PM
I love how they try to one-up Scooby and the gang by having two Freds: a plain and a hippy version. Both with ascots.


GET OUT OF MY HEAD

HappyOldGuy
16th August 10, 08:21 PM
Fuck it.
Put a VFW and American Legion across the street.
A GHEYBAR on one side and a Biker Bar strip club on the other side.
This is america at it's best.

Actually, this is manhattan, is it possible to live more than a block from a gay bar?

nihilist
16th August 10, 08:23 PM
Hear that?


It's the sound of FREEDOM!

Spade: The Real Snake
16th August 10, 10:08 PM
This is america at it's best.
Fuck yeah
And a fucking Pulled Pork Sandwich cart on the sidewalk in front.


Actually, this is manhattan, is it possible to live more than a block from a gay bar?
Import a couple of dozen from SOMA or Castro

Lebell
17th August 10, 03:29 AM
If they would open a gheybar next to the mosque i'd definately visit there.
out of solidarity ofcourse.

Commodore Pipes
17th August 10, 03:40 AM
Who ever is running lebell's account lately really has atrocious spelling.

Lebell
17th August 10, 03:42 AM
Who ever is running lebell's account lately really has atrocious spelling.

we are legion.
and we all float.

Commodore Pipes
17th August 10, 03:44 AM
do you have my boat?

like I should talk, I mispelled 'whoever'

Shotgun Christening
17th August 10, 05:26 AM
we are legion.
and we all float.


They ALL float down here....

http://i33.tinypic.com/wb70gn.jpg

Commodore Pipes
17th August 10, 05:27 AM
My boat!

Truculent Sheep
17th August 10, 06:23 AM
And a strip club? No, a lesbian strip club.

Well, it looks like the sort of place where the girls may occasionally lez each other up once in a while, and there's a knocking shop - err, I mean, a 'sauna' nearby too.

In fact that area caters for just about everything. America, fuck yeah!

SifuAbel
17th August 10, 10:43 AM
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EuropIan
17th August 10, 11:16 AM
Whenever Newt Gingrich says something, the opposite is almost always true.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 09:43 AM
So hes for religious freedom right?

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Where was he for these people?

http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2010-08-11/god-and-country-are-banned-washington

EuropIan
18th August 10, 09:45 AM
Are you dumb?
Wait, don't answer that.

Lebell
18th August 10, 09:46 AM
thats it, i want a clubhouse for my neo national socialistic..ehr..debating club.
after all, the fuhrer also said like the americans: give us your tired, hungry, disabled, jews, gypsys, socialists, and communists.

we are not that different.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 09:55 AM
Why are we paying for the Imam to travel and represent the US and even raise money for his mosque ( he says he wont but yeah...I trust him, dont you?) when he fails to recognise Hamas ( an org designated a terrorist org by the Obama Admin BTW) as a terrorist group?
He even stated that the US was responsible for 9/11.

Yes America, lets build bridges with the radical Muslims. The fact that they refuse to see why many people object to it shows that they dont give a fuck about America and their tolerance for Islam. If they wanted to build bridges they would see the possible divide this may cause and let it go.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 09:56 AM
Are you dumb?
Wait, don't answer that.


So Im dumb because I wonder why Obama is so concerend about religious freedom yet he hasnt addressed something as clear cut as that?

Lebell
18th August 10, 09:57 AM
America WAS responsible for those attacks.
Go read about the horrific foreign policy the usa has.
frankly, the rest of the world was surprised it didnt happen sooner.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 09:57 AM
So Im dumb because I wonder why Obama is so concerend about religious freedom yet he hasnt addressed something as clear cut as that?
Yes, yes you are.

It is a false equivocation.

On top of that, you said some dumb stuff about 9/11.

So yeah, you are pretty dumb.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 09:58 AM
thats it, i want a clubhouse for my neo national socialistic..ehr..debating club.
after all, the fuhrer also said like the americans: give us your tired, hungry, disabled, jews, gypsys, socialists, and communists.

we are not that different.


Maybe we should build a National Socialist Party memorial museum at Dachau. I think theres a big open patch of land we can use.
If Dachau is too far off the beaten path then I hear Auschwitz is nice in the summer season.

Lebell
18th August 10, 09:59 AM
ill give a hint: some stupid bunch of schoolkids are less significant to global policies/opinion bout 'merrikuh then that a mosque near ground zer0 is.

its all about spindoctering bro.

Lebell
18th August 10, 10:00 AM
Maybe we should build a National Socialist Party memorial museum at Dachau. I think theres a big open patch of land we can use.
If Dachau is too far off the beaten path then I hear Auschwitz is nice in the summer season.

don't you remember my idea for an Auschwitz themepark?
phoneygaschambers, in character actors in SS uniforms.

' ive been to auschwitz and all i got was this lousy t-shirt'

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 10:02 AM
Yes, yes you are.


Another intellectually disengeuous poster on Sociocide.

If Obama cares about religious freedom then he should take equal interest in ALL religions and their problems in the US. I havent heard him defend The Church of Satan, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Gaia...

Lebell
18th August 10, 10:03 AM
im willing to adress the jewish problem.
we care about the jewish problem, in fact, if you vote for us we PROMISE you we will work around the clock to tend to this unpleasant problem.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 10:04 AM
ill give a hint: some stupid bunch of schoolkids are less significant to global policies/opinion bout 'merrikuh then that a mosque near ground zer0 is.

its all about spindoctering bro.


That was my point. It doesnt garner him the adoration (lol) of the world. He didnt seem to mind stepping in for his buddy who was a dick to the cops.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 10:05 AM
Oh I get it, it's about him being a secret Muslim, isn't it?

Oh, and Matthew 6:6

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 10:05 AM
don't you remember my idea for an Auschwitz themepark?
phoneygaschambers, in character actors in SS uniforms.

' ive been to auschwitz and all i got was this lousy t-shirt'


I wonder if Ian would support such a place. Maybe he can get free park tickets.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 10:07 AM
I think it sounds hilarious

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 10:07 AM
Oh I get it, it's about him being a secret Muslim, isn't it?

Oh, and Matthew 6:6


Obamas nor more religious (muslim or otherwise) than I am. Oh and way to take that verse out of context.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 10:09 AM
So you think they should stone gays too?

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13

Lebell
18th August 10, 10:11 AM
That was my point. It doesnt garner him the adoration (lol) of the world. He didnt seem to mind stepping in for his buddy who was a dick to the cops.

Obama is just another dumb american cunt in european media.
I liked his Cairo speech.
Weird that not too many americans got news about that.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 10:14 AM
Obamas nor more religious (muslim or otherwise) than I am. Oh and way to take that verse out of context.
No, you are using a false equivocation between the two cases.
You can't build a mosque on federal property either.

And Context defense?
Weak.
You should have gone with the counter claim ie. 1 Timothy 2:8

So you think they should stone gays too?

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13
Not, sure where you are going with this.

EvilSteve
18th August 10, 10:26 AM
So you think they should stone gays too?

I dunno- Hey MJS! Are you in favor of getting stoned?

Adouglasmhor
18th August 10, 11:45 AM
Fuck it.
Put a VFW and American Legion across the street.
A GHEYBAR on one side and a Biker Bar on the other side.
Seriously I have a mate who is Muslim, Bi (and a Dom) and a Veteran who rides a BMW Dakar. Can you find him a flat in the area.

Adouglasmhor
18th August 10, 11:47 AM
Maybe we should build a National Socialist Party memorial museum at Dachau. I think theres a big open patch of land we can use.
If Dachau is too far off the beaten path then I hear Auschwitz is nice in the summer season.

Dachau is 10 miles north of Munich.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 11:52 AM
No, you are using a false equivocation between the two cases.

Obama has yet to come out and defend any other faiths.
He hasnt stepped in to help the Greek Orthodox Churhc reach a settlement with the port authority. Their church was destroyed on 9/11.
Its their right to worship as they see fit right?



You can't build a mosque on federal property either.

Whats your point?



And Context defense?
Weak.
You should have gone with the counter claim ie. 1 Timothy 2:8

A) Out of context. Your attempt at a biblical rebuttal was a fail.
B) I dont get into bible verse rebuttals. One can do that all day, especially if the other person uses something out of context.



Not, sure where you are going with this.

If you are saying that they should follow the bible and pray in their closet then they need to follow the rest of the scriptures too. So dont go with a biblical bullshit argument that amounts to nothing more than a holy strawman.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 11:54 AM
Dachau is 10 miles north of Munich.


Maybe we can get stimulus money to help us get started.

lant3rn
18th August 10, 11:58 AM
I don't know where your going with the whole obama thing... kind of a stupid tangent really.

You should really be angry at your founding father's for coming up with stupid things like freedom of religion.


Another intellectually disengeuous poster on Sociocide.

If Obama cares about religious freedom then he should take equal interest in ALL religions and their problems in the US. I havent heard him defend The Church of Satan, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Gaia...

I don't beleive it says the merits of each relegions point of view are meant to be weighed against each other. I beleive it states
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I'm not sure where you are getting your interpratation.

Rights are meaningless if you only apply them when politically convienient.

Spade: The Real Snake
18th August 10, 12:07 PM
Seriously I have a mate who is Muslim, Bi (and a Dom) and a Veteran who rides a BMW Dakar. Can you find him a flat in the area.
a BWM?

Homie don't play that

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:08 PM
I don't know where your going with the whole obama thing... kind of a stupid tangent really.

Hes the President of the United States. He has come out in favor of a mosque being built near Ground Zero. I think this is in poor taste. I also dont see him coming out in defense of any other religions.



You should really be angry at your founding father's for coming up with stupid things like freedom of religion.

Yeah because Canada doesnt allow that do they.



I don't beleive it says the merits of each relegions point of view are meant to be weighed against each other. I beleive it states

I'm not sure where you are getting your interpratation.

Assigning merit to a religion was not the point. The point is (again) that he speaks of religious freedom yet he doesnt show the same passion for other religions as he does for this one.



Rights are meaningless if you only apply them when politically convienient.

and?

EuropIan
18th August 10, 12:20 PM
Hes the President of the United States. He has come out in favor of a mosque being built near Ground Zero. I think this is in poor taste. I also dont see him coming out in defense of any other religions.



No he hasn't. He has made it clear that they are allowed to do so.

He made a no comment whether they should.

This is why you are dumb

lant3rn
18th August 10, 12:21 PM
Assigning merit to a religion was not the point. The point is (again) that he speaks of religious freedom yet he doesnt show the same passion for other religions as he does for this one.

LOL wtf?

So you are against the mosque being built.

Maybe you should give reasons why you think thats it's a bad thing and the constitution doesn't apply

Instead of crying about the presidents playing "favorites". From my point of view your comming across as kind of childish.

Spade: The Real Snake
18th August 10, 12:23 PM
Hes the President of the United States. He has come out in favor of a mosque being built near Ground Zero.
Well...he half-assed came out in support of it, during a Ramadan dinner, when he could actually HEAR the applause of the crowd, and left himself just enough wiggle room to change the vernacular when the winds of public opinion were changing.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:26 PM
LOL wtf?

So you are against the mosque being built.

Maybe you should give reasons why you think thats it's a bad thing and the constitution doesn't apply

I have already stated why I think its a bad thing. Its in poor taste and will cause problems...like its doing now.
Where exactly does the constitution say that you have the right to build a place of worship?



Instead of crying about the presidents playing "favorites". From my point of view your comming across as kind of childish.

I was making the point that h...nevermind.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:34 PM
No he hasn't. He has made it clear that they are allowed to do so.

He made a no comment whether they should.

This is why you are dumb

Enough of his own people saw it this way that he had to come out and try to clarify it. Even Democrats (hes a Democrat BTW) thought thats what he was saying.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/17/reid-obama-mosque-moves-divide-democrats

However, you will fail to see that because it doesnt fit into your agenda. Since you also seem incapable of having a discourse without name calling and building strawmen when someone disagrees with you, you get to go on the ignore list.

nihilist
18th August 10, 12:39 PM
Where exactly does the constitution say that you have the right to build a place of worship?





Government is strictly forbidden to meddle in religious affairs. The founding fathers could not have made that more clear.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:40 PM
Well...he half-assed came out in support of it, during a Ramadan dinner, when he could actually HEAR the applause of the crowd, and left himself just enough wiggle room to change the vernacular when the winds of public opinion were changing.


What he did was make an ambiguous statement to keep people like Ian happy, yet make the two-thirds majority of the people in America against it, think he wasnt taking sides.

It worked. Ian fell for it.

What he should have said was " Given that the 9/11 attacks are still a sore point for most Americans, and they feel that it would be in poor taste to build a mosque, the symbol of the religion that America feels is responsible for the attacks, maybe they should rethink its placement. This way the Muslim faith can show America that it seeks to build bridges between a peaceful religion and a skeptical America."

nihilist
18th August 10, 12:46 PM
" Given that the 9/11 attacks are still a sore point for most Americans, and they feel that it would be in poor taste to build a mosque, the symbol of the religion that America feels is responsible for the attacks, maybe they should rethink its placement. This way the Muslim faith can show America that it seeks to build bridges between a peaceful religion and a skeptical America."

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:47 PM
Government is strictly forbidden to meddle in religious affairs. The founding fathers could not have made that more clear.


Yeah.....theres lost of things they thought they made clear but they seem to have gotten muddled over the last two centuries.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
-United States Constitution


As I recall, Congress isnt making a law against building Mosques. It comes down to a matter of taste.

Spade: The Real Snake
18th August 10, 12:47 PM
What he should have done was act like the President of the United States and not fall back on his Community Organizer mentality and worry about the country and not the local affairs of New York/ New Jersey.

I think he just likes the sound of applause.

nihilist
18th August 10, 12:48 PM
What part of the free exercise clause is unclear to you?

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:49 PM
Is being compared to Sarah Palin supposed to bother me?

Ajamil
18th August 10, 12:50 PM
So Im dumb because I wonder why Obama is so concerend about religious freedom yet he hasnt addressed something as clear cut as that?It's very clear cut - there are no laws stopping the center being built, there are laws stopping the two cases cited in your article. Do you think people haven't been scrambling to find a law forbidding the construction? Do you think the laws - while sometimes creating ludicrous situations - are biased towards one group or another?


If Obama cares about religious freedom then he should take equal interest in ALL religions and their problems in the US. I havent heard him defend The Church of Satan, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Gaia... I think he would if it garnered enough media attention and thus enough political weight.


Hes the President of the United States. He has come out in favor of a mosque being built near Ground Zero. I think this is in poor taste. I also dont see him coming out in defense of any other religions. The fact that he's out there talking about this at all is what pisses me off. This is a job for the mayor, or at most the governor. Doesn't the Pres. have some wars to run or an economy to fix? I'd be more approving if he came out and said, "I'm trying to fix the country - your city is not my problem right now."

Assigning merit to a religion was not the point. The point is (again) that he speaks of religious freedom yet he doesnt show the same passion for other religions as he does for this one. If some other religion were the hot-button topic he would be. Like when Reagan advocated the release of Hare Krishnas in Russia - do you think Reagan gave two shits about ISKCON, or even knew what the hell it stood for? I'm thinking Obama is doing the same thing here.

nihilist
18th August 10, 12:51 PM
Is being compared to Sarah Palin supposed to bother me? Why would it bother a person like you?

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:52 PM
What he should have done was act like the President of the United States and not fall back on his Community Organizer mentality and worry about the country and not the local affairs of New York/ New Jersey.

I think he just likes the sound of applause.


You are correct. Maybe I should have said


As the President of the United States I dont feel I should get involved in local Governmental affairs."

Of course people would howl about how he should comment. and make a stand. It was a no win situation for him.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 12:54 PM
Why would it bother a person like you?

I guess it would bother a person like you.

nihilist
18th August 10, 12:56 PM
Would building a xtian church near the Murrah building be in 'bad taste'?

Spade: The Real Snake
18th August 10, 01:01 PM
Would building a xtian church near the Murrah building be in 'bad taste'?
A World Church of the Creator building?
yes

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:04 PM
What part of the free exercise clause is unclear to you?

You mean the one that cant be used to allow me to commit human sacrifice? Possibly its the clause that I cant use to keep my children from being vaccinated before they enter public schooling. I guess I could use it if I had the time and money to fight it in court.
Maybe its the one that I cant use to allow me to be a polygamist in my state.

Maybe its the one that uses "compelling interest" to decide whats allowed. Thats a good idea because I know that law makers always interpret things like I do.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:07 PM
Would building a xtian church near the Murrah building be in 'bad taste'?


If 19 of its followers hijacked planes and killed 3k people in the name of God...? Yes.

nihilist
18th August 10, 01:09 PM
If 19 of its followers hijacked planes and killed 3k people in the name of God...? Yes.


You, my friend are an idiot.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:14 PM
You, my friend are an idiot.


by all means...enlighten me

nihilist
18th August 10, 01:17 PM
You mean the one that cant be used to allow me to commit human sacrifice?

killing people interferes with other people's right to live. [see Constitution]


Possibly its the clause that I cant use to keep my children from being vaccinated before they enter public schooling. lol. Who is forcing you to send your kids to public school?



Maybe its the one that I cant use to allow me to be a polygamist in my state. Poligamy is a basic human right. Christians are repressing that right.
Do something about it.


Maybe its the one that uses "compelling interest" to decide whats allowed. Thats a good idea because I know that law makers always interpret things like I do. let's just keep it on a case by case basis to avoid unnecessary blanket condemnation, shall we?

EuropIan
18th August 10, 01:17 PM
Enough of his own people saw it this way that he had to come out and try to clarify it. Even Democrats (hes a Democrat BTW) thought thats what he was saying.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/17/reid-obama-mosque-moves-divide-democrats

Here what you do

OM: [confirmation bias]

IGR: You have a confirmation bias

OM34: Well yeah, but [non sequitur]therefore[confirmation bias]

IGR: Why did you do that? I just told you what your problem was

OM34: [non sequitur] you are straw manning me waaah [confirmation bias]

IGR: facepalm

OM34: waaaah you are a meanie I will ignore you now so I can claim victory and [confirmation bias]



However, you will fail to see that because it doesnt fit into your agenda. Since you also seem incapable of having a discourse without name calling and building strawmen when someone disagrees with you, you get to go on the ignore list.

\o/

\o/

\o/

nihilist
18th August 10, 01:20 PM
by all means...enlighten me

1.5 billion people are Moslem. Give me a round number of how many people were responsible for Sept.11

We'll go from there.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 01:26 PM
Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid

OM34 is an idiot

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:27 PM
killing people interferes with other people's right to live. [see Constitution]

Compellign Interest.



lol. Who is forcing you to send your kids to public school?

I was speaking in generalities. I dont home school and I wont send my kids to a Christian Private School (thats all thats available in my area)



Poligamy is a basic human right. Christians are repressing that right.
Do something about it.

Who decided that it was a basic human right?
Why should I do anything about it? I dont want two wives. I dont have a problem with polygamy, they seem happy. Of course if we are going to single out religions for repressing rights......should we get into womens rights in Islamic countries?



let's just keep it on a case by case basis to avoid unnecessary blanket condemnation, shall we?

Youre the one that brought it up. I was just making sure we were on the same page.


Im not making my statements about the mosque based on any religious principles I hold. I hold very few, if any. I am basing it on the fact that it will only cause controversy and deepen the divide between Americans and the Muslim faith. Its a poor move by the Imam, whose character is questionable at best.

Kiko
18th August 10, 01:28 PM
There's already (http://daryllang.com/blog/4421) a strip club, a betting shop, an 'Oirish' theme bar and a kosher pizza joint nearby. A gay bar and a pork butcher's is hardly going to raise eyebrows - it is New York, after all. This is a non-controversy over a non-issue.


Kosher pizza? That can't be much fun, can it?

Ajamil
18th August 10, 01:29 PM
You mean the one that cant be used to allow me to commit human sacrifice?No exercising religion where it violates laws. Is the center doing this?

Possibly its the clause that I cant use to keep my children from being vaccinated before they enter public schooling.I'm pretty sure this varies depending on the school board. Lemme see if I can back that up.

Maybe its the one that I cant use to allow me to be a polygamist in my state.See the first, although I think it's a stupid law that should be removed.

Re: vaccinations (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:OUpvl6iThlQJ:www.healthystates.csg.org/NR/rdonlyres/7B29EF52-6408-4D67-904D-CFBE28AF35CA/0/ExemptionsLPB.pdf+nonmedical+exemptions+to+school+ immunization&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShQ1lKKqPtWCn58nUBve6iK577KdVB-Vly6F5gz-jic8O3aDNSf2L5iysdbrY9gjFgvRiloy2Ww27RXOc2NVTbLGhZ FXl4BulZPZr62XpCxtd3cxbpfMglU-6gQ9uzHPL0mtHNc&sig=AHIEtbQ6w7fv07uK0roUnq8QjeSPGZY5bQ). Page 4:

All school immunization requirements are state-based—there are no federal laws mandating vaccination.

All states permit exemptions to school and day care immunization requirements for medical reasons.

There is no constitutional requirement for states to offer nonmedical exemptions.

Forty-eight states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico allow a religious exemption to vaccination (all but Mississippi and West Virginia). A religious exemption allows parents to exempt their children from immunization if it contradicts their religious beliefs.

Edit: Checks OM's location field. Oh - heh. Lobby your state govt., man.

As of 2004, 20 states allowed for personal belief or philosophical exemptions.11 A philosophical exemption allows for an exemption based on “moral, philosophical or other personal beliefs.”

In many states, the process of claiming a nonmedical exemption is simpler and less time-consuming than fulfilling immunization requirements. States that have an easier exemption process have higher rates of exemptions.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:31 PM
1.5 billion people are Moslem. Give me a round number of how many people were responsible for Sept.11

We'll go from there.


You understood my point quite well. People see the Islamic faith as responsible for the attacks. A radical group of Musilms was responsible for it, not the faith as a whole. The Imam who is behind seems to be in support (he wont condemn) of a known terrorist organization. It doesnt help things.
The Imama also wants to help build bridges between Islamic countries and the people of the US. If this is his goal then this is a poor way to start.

Commodore Pipes
18th August 10, 01:34 PM
Is being compared to Sarah Palin supposed to bother me?

LOL you had me going for a minute, but this one overplayed your hand. Still, it was a fun run while it lasted.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:35 PM
No exercising religion where it violates laws. Is the center doing this?

Nope, and legally there is nothing wrong with there being a Mosque there.



I'm pretty sure this varies depending on the school board. Lemme see if I can back that up.


Forty-eight states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico allow a religious exemption to vaccination (all but Mississippi and West Virginia). A religious exemption allows parents to exempt their children from immunization if it contradicts their religious beliefs.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:36 PM
LOL you had me going for a minute, but this one overplayed your hand. Still, it was a fun run while it lasted.


Oh well, I tried.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 01:36 PM
BEHOLD THE INFLAMATORY RHETORIC USED BY SAID IMAM:

http://www.amazon.com/reader/B000GG4JXC?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0#reader_B000GG4JXC

Commodore Pipes
18th August 10, 01:38 PM
No, man, it was excellent. When you seek new horizons of course you're going to break the boundaries.

nihilist
18th August 10, 01:43 PM
Oh well, I tried.


I think the best part was when you wanted Obama to give lessons on good taste.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:53 PM
No, man, it was excellent. When you seek new horizons of course you're going to break the boundaries.


I almost posted this when the thread first opened..

Heres how I feel about the mosque.

Will the world end if they build it? No.
Is it in poor taste? Not really, theres a mosque like two blocks away already.
Will some jackass try to make a name for himself by shooting a bunch of people outside the mosque or blowing it up? Maybe so.
The guy who wants to build it is not going to say bad shit about Hamas because he has to walk a fine line with them too, like any good politician (I know he isnt one but you get my drift) and he needs donations from the very same people who may like Hamas and what they stand for. Most people in America wouldnt believe him even if he denounced Hamas so why piss them off?
If we restrict the Muslims from building a mosque where they want to, then in 10 years that same ideal can be used against Christians. It doesnt make sense to persecute one religion based on the actions of a small minority, much like you shouldnt base you impression of all Christians based on abortion clinic bombers or pedophilic priests.

If they own the land, and they have the money, you cant stop them. if the ground is so hallow then a strip club should be off limits too. Maybe we should scrap the plans for building an office tower on the same spot. Leave the hole as a reminder.

*edit* In the end I dont care all that much. Im more worried about the economy and our people dying in the desert.

elipson
18th August 10, 01:54 PM
Here a pretty good editorial on the subject.

QZpT2Muxoo0

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:55 PM
I think the best part was when you wanted Obama to give lessons on good taste.


I even got a neg rep from Ian over this.

WIN!!!!!!!

*edit* Mosque Built at Ground... 18th August 10 01:31 PM EuropIan intentionally ignorant to maintain confirmation bias

EuropIan
18th August 10, 01:57 PM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/rollo_tomassi7/KAAAAAAAAAAHN1.gif

Dunno if I'm really on ignore

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 01:59 PM
Here a pretty good editorial on the subject.

QZpT2Muxoo0


Like I always say....."People never worry about the shark until it comes to eat them"

Spade: The Real Snake
18th August 10, 02:01 PM
They need to just keep it a Burlington Coat Factory store

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 02:04 PM
They need to just keep it a Burlington Coat Factory store


Or maybe a Bass Pro Shop.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 02:05 PM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/rollo_tomassi7/KAAAAAAAAAAHN1.gif

Dunno if I'm really on ignore


LOL youre not.

EuropIan
18th August 10, 02:06 PM
Well played

I owe u rep

nihilist
18th August 10, 02:07 PM
Or a Burlington Burqa Bin

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 02:08 PM
Well played

I owe u rep


Dont feel bad, some people still think MOM34 is black.

Commodore Pipes
18th August 10, 02:20 PM
Dude, I got to tell you - I wasn't sure exactly what happened there for a while, but sure I am relieved.

Shotgun Christening
18th August 10, 02:22 PM
Dude, I got to tell you - I wasn't sure exactly what happened there for a while, but sure I am relieved.


I actually had to research some stuff for that one.

Ajamil
18th August 10, 02:48 PM
Like I always say....."People never worry about the shark until it comes to eat them"DOH! (http://www.sociocide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1579455&postcount=19)

Adouglasmhor
18th August 10, 03:33 PM
Maybe we can get stimulus money to help us get started.

Munich is where I saw flyposter adverts in the late 80s for a club called KZ White Diamond disco, in Dachauer Strasse.
Ony thing in German I can work out for KZ is Konzentration Zelt which is concentration camp.

I think they could be up for it. Lebel can do the audio guide for the Dutch and Flemish.

Ajamil
18th August 10, 04:18 PM
I actually wouldn't mind a museum dedicated to the National Socialist party. I think seeing it in a cool head - it's ideals, origins, and development - would be a good thing to keep people away from simply imagining Nazis as demon caricatures. It's easy to see the "bad" in such cartoonish portrayals, but being able to see the subtle turns and decisions that led there is a little trickier. Not too certain on an amusement park, but hey, whatever.

Also,
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lant3rn
18th August 10, 04:21 PM
So oldman, you were trolling.... should have went with my first instinct.

Shotgun Christening
19th August 10, 05:19 AM
So oldman, you were trolling.... should have went with my first instinct.


Picked up on that all by yourself did ya? Yeah I was trolling.

Harpy
19th August 10, 06:44 AM
Had a feeling oldie, you fag. Just enjoyed watching Ian taking himself seriously.

nihilist
19th August 10, 10:13 AM
You just love swooping in after the fact and yelling HA!, don't you?

EuropIan
19th August 10, 10:16 AM
She's trying to take my job.

EuropIan
19th August 10, 10:26 AM
what about Malaysia?

nihilist
19th August 10, 10:33 AM
You just love swooping in after the fact and yelling NUKE!, don't you?

EuropIan
19th August 10, 10:50 AM
It would have been awesome in his alzheimer's years.

Reagan: Mr gorbatjov tear din this wall!

Assistant: Errr sir? that already happened 20 years ago

Reagan: Michael!? What are you doing here? Well I used to remember when..

Spade: The Real Snake
19th August 10, 10:54 AM
Xombi Reagan > Obama

EuropIan
19th August 10, 10:57 AM
Robot Lincoln is mildly dismayed with your lack of imagination

http://geekpadshow.com/files/2009/08/mail-1.jpg

nihilist
19th August 10, 11:04 AM
You don't love Reagan, you just love his trickledown style.

Spade: The Real Snake
19th August 10, 11:14 AM
Optimus Roosevelt would PWN all
http://i31.tinypic.com/5366o.jpg

nihilist
19th August 10, 11:30 AM
kzx7VEH9YUM

nihilist
19th August 10, 11:34 AM
I'd tear that shit up.

nihilist
19th August 10, 11:43 AM
Speaking of tearing shit up (http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/?zx=9da68b093a68df89)...

SifuAbel
19th August 10, 11:57 AM
Oh, If only that were true.

nihilist
19th August 10, 12:05 PM
She hasn't denied it.

lant3rn
19th August 10, 12:06 PM
Moleculo is just asking the questions here that need to be asked..

Hedley LaMarr
19th August 10, 01:13 PM
http://nunonbreak.com/Aug10/ac.jpg
I'm more a fan of younger transvestites.

EvilSteve
19th August 10, 03:47 PM
Ann Coulter is a bit like 2 Girls 1 Cup- it's fun to watch other people utterly lose it over her, but actually watching her spew shit out of her mouth is a bit more than I can bear.

AAAhmed46
19th August 10, 06:51 PM
Ill weigh in on this.

As olberman said, this isn't by ground zero, not even two blocks.

It's 2 blocks away from the MEMORIAL site.

It's obscured by lots of buildigns.

Imam Rauf is a sufi, and has worked with the FBI since 2000. He is currently in the middle east, sent by the state it self to preach americas inclusiveness.

The statements Rauf said about american intervention creating rage for 9/11 was basically repeated by glenn beck himself.

There probably won't be some gigantic mineret(if there is it's stupid)


I agree the placement of it is a rather stupid place. And i was originally against it's construction. And i still am.

My beef with it is that it went from sensitivity of victims all the way to 'sharia law! Sharia law! sharia Law! Teaching terrorism! Symbol of triamph of terrorists!'

it diverted from the discussion. As well as charecter assisination of rauf.

AAAhmed46
19th August 10, 06:56 PM
Oh and the guy did tons and tons of interfaith work with jewish groups. Hell the idea is based off of another jewish community center, with their blessings.

AAAhmed46
19th August 10, 07:02 PM
Olbermann weighs in.

It may seem like i want the mosque built by 'ground zero' but really, the only reason im argueing against this and supporting the builders is because of robert fuckign spencer, David Horowitz. If they kept their noses out of this, perhaps more muslims would protest the creation of this 'mosque'

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DQZpT2Muxoo0&h=e2e39

Ajamil
19th August 10, 07:29 PM
It's spreading - NPR mentioned today an Islamic center being protested and trying to be blocked in Tennessee.

Also, Reagan deals with terrorists:
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/reagansmash5on2dp.jpg

AAAhmed46
19th August 10, 07:52 PM
I still think putting a Ghey Bar next door to the Mosque is the finest in counter-trolling

They already ahve a strip club.

AAAhmed46
19th August 10, 08:04 PM
Why are we paying for the Imam to travel and represent the US and even raise money for his mosque ( he says he wont but yeah...I trust him, dont you?) when he fails to recognise Hamas ( an org designated a terrorist org by the Obama Admin BTW) as a terrorist group?
He even stated that the US was responsible for 9/11.

Yes America, lets build bridges with the radical Muslims. The fact that they refuse to see why many people object to it shows that they dont give a fuck about America and their tolerance for Islam. If they wanted to build bridges they would see the possible divide this may cause and let it go.

He said exactly what glenn beck said.

And hamas is the elected government of Gaza. They have not tried suicide attacks for a while, as their roll has greatly changed.

Isreal refused to talk to the PLO, and look what happned? Someone even more crazy than them came into power.

If they don't talk to hamas, who will they talk to?

This mosque issue only came up because of david horowitz, bobby spencer and pamela geller. These grossly anti-islamic forces. Picked it up and kept running with it. Then fox picked it up.

Suddenly it became an issue.

It only showed up on sociocide after the news cycle picked it up....because of the crazies.

It BECAME an issue when it wasn't.

Imam Rauf isn't an extremist.

AAAhmed46
19th August 10, 08:11 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081802582.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010081802595

She (not jokingly) seriously threw around the concept that Obama was malcolm x's love child. Think about that.

She comes on and says " i love muslims.'' then talks about how most support terrorism.

Commodore Pipes
19th August 10, 09:06 PM
Should we tell him?

lant3rn
19th August 10, 09:17 PM
Should we tell him?

Why'd you have to ruin it?

Commodore Pipes
19th August 10, 09:23 PM
What're you talking about?

Lebell
20th August 10, 02:41 AM
She (not jokingly) seriously threw around the concept that Obama was malcolm x's love child. Think about that.

She comes on and says " i love muslims.'' then talks about how most support terrorism.

so...let's use logic.
She says she loves moslmims, and also how moslims support terrorism, so by proxy she loves terrorism?

Lebell
20th August 10, 02:43 AM
i love terrorism too, it's awesome.
im also angry at the world, and im sick of working to sort my own shit out, i think it saves me a lot of hassle to just blame it on the infadels.
oh, and nobody can criticise this post or you'll insult my God.
kthnxbai.

Shotgun Christening
20th August 10, 05:29 AM
He said exactly what glenn beck said.

Glenn Beck gets a lot of bad press but he is usually right about stuff like this.



And hamas is the elected government of Gaza. They have not tried suicide attacks for a while, as their roll has greatly changed.

LOL....yeah...what an upstanding "Government" elected by fair and unbiased elections no doubt.



Isreal refused to talk to the PLO, and look what happned? Someone even more crazy than them came into power.

First Hamas are the good guys and now they are crazy? Why should the Israelis talk to terrorists and elgtimise their existence as a real "government".



If they don't talk to hamas, who will they talk to?

Why do they need to talk to anyone? They havent done anything wrong. The Arabs are the aggressors here.



This mosque issue only came up because of david horowitz, bobby spencer and pamela geller. These grossly anti-islamic forces. Picked it up and kept running with it. Then fox picked it up.

The mosque became an issue when they decided to build it at ground zero. Oh NOOOOO FOX News the R34l terrorists.



Suddenly it became an issue.

No, it was always an issue with some New Yorkers.



It only showed up on sociocide after the news cycle picked it up....because of the crazies.

It BECAME an issue when it wasn't.

I know....you can take up a fund to help build a Shinto Shrine right next to the Arizona.



Imam Rauf isn't an extremist.

Yet he counts Hamas as a friend? LOLOLOLOLOL. He should realise the damage this will cause and back off. He wont because he doesnt care.

Shotgun Christening
20th August 10, 05:33 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081802582.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010081802595

She (not jokingly) seriously threw around the concept that Obama was malcolm x's love child. Think about that.

She comes on and says " i love muslims.'' then talks about how most support terrorism.


I seem to remember most of the attacks being masterminded and funded by Muslims. The Muslims dont denounce these people or turn them in. They send money to them. I see where people get this idea that most support terrorism. I havent heard of any Christians sending cash to AL Qaeda.

Lebell
20th August 10, 08:13 AM
I havent heard of any Christians sending cash to AL Qaeda.

Thats only cos i forgot their accountnumber.

EvilSteve
20th August 10, 10:11 AM
Just read that the imam of Cordoba house is a Sufi- which is probably about as much of an anathema to Wahabiist AQ types as an orthodox Jew.

I have yet to see any rational opposition to the center ("cuz 911 butthurt" doesn't count)- it just seems to be a bunch of people screaming about how t3h mozlemz will be running terrorist operations out of the place. Once again, no rational reason I've seen to believe this so honestly it just seems like bigotry pure and simple.

WarPhalange
20th August 10, 10:54 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-the-ground-zero-mosque-debate-makes-no-sense/

Shotgun Christening
20th August 10, 02:45 PM
Just read that the imam of Cordoba house is a Sufi- which is probably about as much of an anathema to Wahabiist AQ types as an orthodox Jew.

I have yet to see any rational opposition to the center ("cuz 911 butthurt" doesn't count)- it just seems to be a bunch of people screaming about how t3h mozlemz will be running terrorist operations out of the place. Once again, no rational reason I've seen to believe this so honestly it just seems like bigotry pure and simple.


Funny you should bring up Cordoba.....the mosque at Cordoba (Spain) was built by the Muslim invaders/conquerors over the christian church that stood there. They did it as a fuck you kind of move. Its the same rationale for this mosque. They conquered us in a way and now they want to put a holy site there as a victory monument.

He doesnt openly support Hamas but refises to call them terrorists. He even said that the US was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Doesnt that make my theory more plausible?
Hell yeah it does.

We are a Christian nation and should put up with Islam in the same way Islam puts up with Christianity.

elipson
20th August 10, 02:50 PM
The Muslim occupiers of Spain were also probably the best/most tolerant occupiers Spain ever had. They accepted other religions in their area quite openly. It was the Christians who started burning people and hunting those of other faiths when they took over.

The Christians also re-took that temple and turned it back into a Church. After slaughtering all the muslims and jews.

I know that's irrelevant to the mosque at ground zero, but I figured one irrelevant discussion point deserved another.

Shotgun Christening
20th August 10, 03:00 PM
The Muslim occupiers of Spain were also probably the best/most tolerant occupiers Spain ever had.

Wow...thats an oxymoron.



They accepted other religions in their area quite openly. It was the Christians who started burning people and hunting those of other faiths when they took over.

The Christians also re-took that temple and turned it back into a Church. After slaughtering all the muslims and jews.

Because the Muslims took Spain peacefully and didnt kill any Jews or Christians right? You must be a Muslim like Obama.



I know that's irrelevant to the mosque at ground zero, but I figured one irrelevant discussion point deserved another.

Its very relevant to the ground zero mosque. It explains their motivation for building it.

Adouglasmhor
20th August 10, 03:11 PM
The Muslim occupiers of Spain were also probably the best/most tolerant occupiers Spain ever had. They accepted other religions in their area quite openly. It was the Christians who started burning people and hunting those of other faiths when they took over.

The Christians also re-took that temple and turned it back into a Church. After slaughtering all the muslims and jews.

I know that's irrelevant to the mosque at ground zero, but I figured one irrelevant discussion point deserved another.


I am sure the Christian martyrs executed by the moors in Spain felt that too.

Shotgun Christening
20th August 10, 03:20 PM
I am sure the Christian martyrs executed by the moors in Spain felt that too.


NO NO NO NO NO...the Muslims were the victims here. They got slaughtered. Everyone knows that Islam is a religion of peace.

Adouglasmhor
20th August 10, 03:22 PM
NO NO NO NO NO...the Muslims were the victims here. They got slaughtered. Everyone knows that Islam is a religion of peace.

So deserved it because hippy fags right?