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DAYoung
10th April 10, 05:51 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/images/kate_moss_340.jpg'Nothing tastes as good,' said Kate Moss, 'as skinny feels.' Translation: what goes into Moss' mouth is almost as insubstantial as what comes out.

But seriously: she's almost right.

Where she gets it wrong is saying 'skinny' not 'healthy'. Being skinny is partly a matter of genetics, and partly a matter of lifestyle. As well as being striking, Kate Moss is naturally petite, which is one reason why the fashion industry fawns over her.

Like many of the so-called 'genetic freaks' who work as models, she's striking and uncommonly thin. I'm sure she does what she can to keep the fat off - which would otherwise ruin her career (I'll not call it a 'profession').

With a little discipline, it's not hard to be 'skinny' when you've won the fashion DNA lottery.

But many are not inclined to be thin - even when they exercise regularly, and eat well, they keep their softness. No matter how much I jog or lift weights, I'm never going to look like a lithe, angular male model.

Which is why 'skinny' is an insane measure of self-worth and beauty. What's more important is health, which is something most of us, regardless of our body shape, can cultivate.

This is commonly known, but it's worth rehearsing the facts again. Health isn't simply about how we look, although this is sometimes an added bonus. Health usually involves balance: of diet, exercise, work.

And it's not just about how much we eat, but what, and how. Do we hurriedly eat a sugary snack, as we anxiously drive home from work, so we can argue with our spouses? (We've all done it or seen it.)

Health is bound up in the job we do, the quality of our friendships, the suburbs we live in - it's a whole way of life. A distracted, harried, stressed lifestyle is unhealthy in more ways than one.

It's hard to change this, as a whole. It's best to start with what we can fix - along with exercise, diet is a good start. Less refined sugar and fat, more fibre, fresh food, lean protein. A Tim Tam, a glass of wine, a croissant with jam - all this is fine in moderation, along with a night in front of the DVD. But if we want health, these are best as treats, not as a way of life.

This is all fine in theory, but what about in practice, as we pass the aisles of shortbread and soft drinks? To test my resolve, I've sworn myself off sweets and desserts for six months and the grave anxiety that came with it this year (but that's another story).

This might sound as absurd as dieting and champagne breakfasts. Indeed, it's a little unbalanced - a little obsessive. But there's a method to my savoury madness.

First, it's a bet with myself. Do I have the discipline to ignore my sweet tooth? Can I override my urges for cherry tarts and mince pies? Cultivating a balanced lifestyle requires a certain strength of will, and this is my way of honing mine.

Will it work, or simply make me a little obsessive and curmudgeonly? Ask me in a week or so, after Easter.

Second, it's a strange reward of sorts. Every time I jog or do hammer curls, I know I'm not wasting the exercise by sucking in unwanted kilojoules. I'm ensuring that my exercise achieves as much as possible. So I'm rewarding effort with outcomes, lest I squander all that sweating and panting.

Labour is more enjoyable when it leads to something - and this principle is true at work as well.

Third, it's an 'up yours' to confectionary manufacturers. One of the ongoing themes of chocolate and biscuit ads is 'luxury you can't do without'. They tell us their products are extra special - that we, the illuminati of the corn syrup, are special too. We deserve it.

More than this: we need it - our day will be boring and sad without refined, coloured sugar in novelty shapes. But we don't need it, and this is what I'd like prove to myself.

Finally, it's a way to concentrate on what's best in me. After a night up with my baby daughter, all I want is an intravenous drip of coffee and chocolate. But I know it'll leave me jittery and sleepless, which will lead to more insomnia, frustration, and confectionary fantasy.

I'm stronger, more lucid and calmer after weights or jogging, than after jelly beans. When they're a crutch, sweets are a trap.

I'm not suggesting everyone should chuck out the mince pies for Christmas, or skip the pudding for potatoes. This isn't a one-size-fits-all strategy.

My point is that Kate Moss' silly axiom isn't as silly as it sounds. She's right to stress discipline and value; that most foods, particularly the sweet, rich ones, are less valuable; that it's good to be austere, particularly if you can't be moderate.

She gets it horribly wrong by stressing 'skinniness', as if being bony were the be-all-and-end-all of allure and happiness. The goal is health, not chiseled jawbones and sunken eyes.

Bet you a Tim-Tam I'm right.

Damon Young is a philosopher and writer

- http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2861061.htm

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
10th April 10, 05:56 PM
Maybe you'd be skinnier if you spent more time vomiting and less time making excuses.

bob
10th April 10, 06:10 PM
Do you know who actually first said that quote?

bob
10th April 10, 06:15 PM
I'll give you a hint:


I have to watch what I eat because I have this ongoing nightmare that I’m going to put on weight and end up looking like some of the other rock stars of a certain age who bounce around the stage. You look at them and think, ‘Oh my God, what happened to you? How did you let yourself get like that?’ I always call Joe Perry, my bandmate, and say, ‘Do you still weigh 145 pounds?’ “For God’s sake I still want to be able to fit into those pants I wore on the last tour. I just live by the motto that nothing tastes as good as being thin feels. I don’t eat regularly during the day and in the evening I tend to stick to wild salmon and broccoli. Every night before I get into bed, I do 250 sit-ups religiously

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
10th April 10, 06:21 PM
I knew their music was terrible, but they're manorexic too?

partyboy
10th April 10, 07:28 PM
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/10_funny_celebrity_gifs5.gif

are they skinny or healthy?

DAYoung
10th April 10, 07:57 PM
Do you know who actually first said that quote?

Her dad.

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/t/tyler/lg1a.jpg

DAYoung
10th April 10, 08:00 PM
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/10_funny_celebrity_gifs5.gif

are they skinny or healthy?

Going by a friend who was a title-winning bodybuilder, I'd say neither.

DAYoung
10th April 10, 08:01 PM
Maybe you'd be skinnier if you spent more time vomiting and less time making excuses.

Keep posting, and I'll see what I can do.

Ajamil
10th April 10, 10:12 PM
BG 3.6 (http://vedabase.net/bg/3/6/en): One who restrains the senses of action but whose mind dwells on sense objects certainly deludes himself and is called a pretender.

I agree that too many things in modern culture seem to be going from reward to daily necessity.

HappyOldGuy
10th April 10, 11:34 PM
After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you.

nihilist
11th April 10, 12:02 AM
Cmon, Damon, let's not play games.

Wouldn't you just love to wrap your lips around a cow's angus right about now?

Ajamil
11th April 10, 12:41 AM
On a related note, I'll reiterate the study that finds "skinny" people can be quite out of shape and have their organs smothered with "internal fat" - which doesn't really show, but is the stuff that'll kill you.

DAYoung
11th April 10, 12:54 AM
Cmon, Damon, let's not play games.

Wouldn't you just love to wrap your lips around a cow's angus right about now?

I wish I knew what you were talking about.

I know you're saying something profound, something illuminating to my soul. But I can't quite get it.

DAYoung
11th April 10, 12:55 AM
On a related note, I'll reiterate the study that finds "skinny" people can be quite out of shape and have their organs smothered with "internal fat" - which doesn't really show, but is the stuff that'll kill you.

I prefer my fat on the outside.

DAYoung
11th April 10, 02:06 AM
After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you.

Like a bloodworm? Or something...?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/6/62/Regulani_vermis_physiology.jpg

Kein Haar
11th April 10, 06:34 AM
Without naming names, there this asian kid on the forum who smokes dope and eats burgers all day.

Tell him that's unhealthy....even if he remains skinny.

Kein Haar
11th April 10, 06:43 AM
Would you call Sieglinde skinny or unhealthy?

Phrost
11th April 10, 09:43 AM
For me, it's more about how well a body performs than its outward appearance.

As a guy, of course you'd like to look like the roided-out GI Joe figure, but it won't necessarily win you any fights. It might keep you out of them though, but then again there are guys who'll fuck with someone who "looks like they think they're tough".

Randy Couture pegged the difference between form and function with the simple term "beach muscles". I knew a guy who was tubby as fuck but could run 2 miles in 13 minutes, at a time when I was 165, cut, and wheezing doing the same at 14.

So yeah, you're right that genetics play a huge role in appearance. How your body performs is ultimately what's most important.

Cullion
11th April 10, 11:12 AM
Only if you're still trapped in a picked-on adolescent's GI-joe revenge fantasy.

Beauty is tremendously important.

I think some women need to be told they're fat.

HappyOldGuy
11th April 10, 12:32 PM
I think some women need to be told they're fat.

I think some women need to be told they are too skinny. Lots of women look better with an extra 10 or 15.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_01/nigellaES0409_468x614.jpg'

I would like to test her aerobic fitness. Yes I would.

Cullion
11th April 10, 12:44 PM
I think she was amazing 15 years ago, but I suspect that she'd look pretty rough in the nude today.

HappyOldGuy
11th April 10, 12:50 PM
I think she was amazing 15 years ago, but I suspect that she'd look pretty rough in the nude today.
True, zaftig doesn't age well. You've got to pick it young. But we're talking about the standards for models. Anything over 30 isn't really relevant.

I'd still hit that on nigella, no question.

JohnnyCache
11th April 10, 12:52 PM
I think the extremes feed each other (PUN INTENDED HA I KILL ME). The unattainable ideals help nudge people toward just giving the fuck up and ending up on peopleofwalmart.com

DAYoung
11th April 10, 02:53 PM
If you want a hug, JC, you only have to say so. We're here for you.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
11th April 10, 03:46 PM
Without naming names, there this asian kid on the forum who smokes dope and eats burgers all day.

Tell him that's unhealthy....even if he remains skinny.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/lulanne.png

i maintain this body on hamburgers and mexican food
p.s. i'm hispanic you fucking white boy

Cullion
11th April 10, 03:50 PM
You're as hispanic as 'Emilio Estevez' you precious little emo.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
11th April 10, 03:52 PM
i only meant racially

SoulMechanic
11th April 10, 04:04 PM
I think some women need to be told they are too skinny. Lots of women look better with an extra 10 or 15.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_01/nigellaES0409_468x614.jpg'

I would like to test her aerobic fitness. Yes I would.

You truly are my brother from a different mother.

Harpy
11th April 10, 05:43 PM
Dr Young. What the heck was that? Other than your personal anecdote about your bet with sugar this was not one of your most topical articles. I think that boat set sail in 2002.

I've just finished my breakfast of green tea and a slice of Burgen slathered with Nutella. I can live with plump.

Robot Jesus
11th April 10, 05:48 PM
Only if you're still trapped in a picked-on adolescent's GI-joe revenge fantasy.

Beauty is tremendously important.

I think some women need to be told they're fat.


I used to know a girl who's mother told her she was fat and basically tied her to a treadmill when she was 14. now some might call this abuse and decry what it must have done for her self esteem. others might point out that today her self esteem is quite high owing to the fact that she has to keep men at bay with a pointed stick.

Robot Jesus
11th April 10, 05:50 PM
[IMG] i'm hispanic you fucking white boy


this reminded me of when you used to pretend to be an Asian girl going out with Sirc. how long ago was that?

HappyOldGuy
11th April 10, 05:50 PM
Dr Young. What the heck was that? Other than your personal anecdote about your bet with sugar this was not one of your most topical articles. I think that boat set sail in 2002.

I've just finished my breakfast of green tea and a slice of Burgen slathered with Nutella. I can live with plump.

Don't be sensitive lily. Big girls are getting love in this thread.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
11th April 10, 08:40 PM
this reminded me of when you used to pretend to be an Asian girl going out with Sirc. how long ago was that?

Three or four years now, shit. Are you trying to imply that isn't me?

nihilist
12th April 10, 12:31 AM
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_01/nigellaES0409_468x614.jpg'

I would hit that so hard you'd need a crowbar to pry me out.

nihilist
12th April 10, 12:32 AM
And that goes for the girl too.

Cullion
12th April 10, 05:43 AM
I don't really see what the fascination is.

http://www.shrewdmammal.com/wp-content/uploads/NigellaLawson_FD61/Nigella_Lawson_thumb.jpg

She probably isn't interested in sex, she just thinks about food and getting her picture taken all the time:-

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PHZqh4-kEMI/STg-oC_7jpI/AAAAAAAAAPg/6iMGfWzMVMg/s400/Nigella_051228031830247_wideweb__300x293.jpg

Besides, you and HoG wouldn't want to have to talk to her for long. She's pretty right wing. Her father and brother are both senior figures in Conservative politics in the UK. Look how nationalistic she is, for example:-

http://www.superchefblog.com/images/nigellalawson_muffin.png

bob
12th April 10, 05:45 AM
English Muffin Top:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_04/lawson2410_468x396.jpg

Harpy
12th April 10, 06:55 AM
I take it Cullion is being sarcastic...
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95404&page=2

She's not healthy persay bit I think she has a healthier attitude towards food compared to Ms Moss.

Cullion
12th April 10, 07:16 AM
I was serious when I said she was _amazing_ 15 years ago. To be fair to Nigella in that last picture where she looks bad, a lot of people underestimate her age because (at least with all her makeup on) she has an extremely youthful and attractive face, but she's actually 50.

For a woman who apparently eats whatever she wants and isn't very interested in working out, she's still in astonishing form. Until her early 40s she was much sexier than most women in their early 20s even with no makeup and figure-revealing tight clothes.

Most men would be delighted to be married to somebody who stayed bikinilicious to the age of 40 and made it to 50 in her shape. She's extremely highly educated too.

nihilist
12th April 10, 12:21 PM
It would figure that Cullion would start talking about politics when the subject is pussy.

HappyOldGuy
12th April 10, 12:48 PM
I take it Cullion is being sarcastic...
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95404&page=2

She's not healthy persay bit I think she has a healthier attitude towards food compared to Ms Moss.

What in the name of god does that clusterfuck have to do with the eminently doable Ms Lawson?

Harpy
12th April 10, 05:19 PM
What in the name of god does that clusterfuck have to do with the eminently doable Ms Lawson?

Cullion styles himself as a connoisseur of the womanly form in all its stages of maturity (or immaturity).

Cullion
12th April 10, 05:27 PM
Did you just call me a paedophile ?

You're reading an awful lot into my insistence that you dress as a schoolgirl.

Phrost
12th April 10, 05:34 PM
Only if you're still trapped in a picked-on adolescent's GI-joe revenge fantasy.

Beauty is tremendously important.


My perspective is of a happily married man.

Of course obesity is ugly, at the moment at least. At one point it was a sign of wealth, therefore superior breeding, therefore beauty. None of those things correspond today, and it's now a sign of poverty, if not financial then a poverty of judgment, discipline, and perhaps even hygiene.

But if you're reasonably well groomed and dressed, a few extra pounds doesn't really matter to me personally; I'm not trying to fuck you.

Cullion
12th April 10, 05:39 PM
How fat would you let your wife get before you introduced her to Doctor Shame?

HappyOldGuy
12th April 10, 06:26 PM
Cullion styles himself as a connoisseur of the womanly form in all its stages of maturity (or immaturity).
Either your link or my browser is pointing at some silly bullshido man drama that has nothing to do with the female form.

Moar picks of zaftig brunettes with sultry voices and impeccable culinary skills plzkhthx.

Harpy
12th April 10, 06:52 PM
Oops! Hahaha...HoG, I was on the iPhone and must have copied and pasted the BS.net address instead of this:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_03/nigellaMOS1005_468x728.jpg

nihilist
12th April 10, 08:18 PM
DAYAM!

Ajamil
12th April 10, 11:50 PM
Do we need a Peter Paul Rubens appreciation thread?

DAYoung
13th April 10, 01:27 AM
Yes.

Steve
13th April 10, 02:10 AM
Could we have just quoted some Aristotle and be done with this thread already? Seems to me we could.

EDIT: oops forgot the ;p

DAYoung
13th April 10, 02:33 AM
Tsk, tsk.

You owe me a Tim-Tam, Steve.

Steve
13th April 10, 02:50 AM
I put in the ;p, didn't I?

I don't eat sweets or foods that are of worthless calories in general. I have a very particular view point on food, in fact (if you have forgot). (http://www.sociocide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53924)

DAYoung
13th April 10, 03:07 AM
I got the ';', mate.

But you still owe me a Tim-Tam. Just 'cause.

Steve
13th April 10, 03:13 AM
Actually, I do have something to send you. Not Tim-Tams.

Cullion
13th April 10, 03:14 AM
Catherine Zeta Jones is a big girl too.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00121/F_200612_december30_121000a.jpg

DAYoung
13th April 10, 03:19 AM
Save the Wales.

Cullion
13th April 10, 04:23 AM
I'm not sure how you'd cope with a big Welsh girl Damon. They can get very carried away.

FickleFingerOfFate
13th April 10, 04:24 AM
Save the Wales.


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/FickleFingerOfFate/Wales_flag_large.jpg

Harpy
13th April 10, 05:35 PM
Britney Spears releases unairbrushed pictures of herself to compare with the digitally-altered product:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/1039358/spears-shows-off-flaws-in-un-airbrushed-photos

Not quite sure what the point is, if she's willing to reveal the truth then why not include in her contract that the photos to be used must be unaltered?

Cullion
13th April 10, 05:49 PM
Because they wouldn't sell as much merchandise if the ads looked like that, but she wants to make a statement with a one-off article.

Harpy
13th April 10, 05:58 PM
A statement to whom exactly? Her fans? What's the message "I look like this but I allow my image to be altered so that mass media can pimp me out. I see myself as a 'role model' but would take the $$ over standing up for the truth".

Ads to me are fantasy and something pretty to look at but the more you see them, the more you start measuring yourself up to them. It's different for men, I really don't believe you (yes, you Cullion) understand.

Ajamil
13th April 10, 06:00 PM
http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/img/blog/blog140410_britney.jpg

They forgot to mention one PS alteration: cameltoe reduction.

Also check out the Beyonce gif at the webpage. (http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=633229&showcomments=true) The flab winking in and out is hypnotising.

And Lily, if you don't think men measure themselves up to the actors and models we see, I say you are being sexist. Does it impact us socially as much? I wouldn't think so, but only because our culture has a history of judging a man's status less by his physique than by occupation/wealth/achievement.

Cullion
13th April 10, 06:20 PM
A statement to whom exactly? Her fans? What's the message "I look like this but I allow my image to be altered so that mass media can pimp me out. I see myself as a 'role model' but would take the $$ over standing up for the truth".

Well, yeah.

I didn't say Britney wasn't a stupid whore.

Harpy
13th April 10, 06:25 PM
I actually don't mind seeing proper models who are barely airbrushed.


And Lily, if you don't think men measure themselves up to the actors and models we see, I say you are being sexist. Not sexist, just putting it into perspective. Of course men measure themselves up and I think they're heading down the same path as women (at a slower rate).

You know what, the Britney and Beyonce pics are fine as originals just with a need to adjust lighting. I would prefer seeing that rather than the grossly enhanced pics.

Cullion
13th April 10, 06:25 PM
And Lily, if you don't think men measure themselves up to the actors and models we see, I say you are being sexist.

I don't think most men do, or at least not as much or with the degree of anxiety it seems to cause in young women.

Most straight men I know consider bodybuilding and other male beautification cults to be a gay thing, or at least a sign of closeted homosexuality.

The fashion industry does seem to be largely run by gay men and strange, bitter older women.

Zendetta
13th April 10, 06:29 PM
LOTS of young guys inthe the US are abusing steroids these days.

Cullion
13th April 10, 06:33 PM
Are they doing it because they want to be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or because they want a six pack?

The people who've talked about doing steroids on sociocide and bullshido were all obsessed with atheletic boundaries, rather than bodybuilding competitions, but of course a martial arts website and it's sister site are going to be skewed.

If one of my friends said he was going on the juice to get rid of his love handles and beef up his pecs I'd tell him he was a faggot.

Harpy
13th April 10, 06:34 PM
LOTS of young guys inthe the US are abusing steroids these days.

Seems counter-fashion trend for males. Where do you think the pressure to roid up is coming from?

Zendetta
13th April 10, 06:35 PM
It seems to be a mix of the predictable "jock looking for an edge" as well as the disturbing "douchebag who wants a 'reality TV' body".

Ajamil
13th April 10, 06:36 PM
You know what, the Britney and Beyonce pics are fine as originals just with a need to adjust lighting. I would prefer seeing that rather than the grossly enhanced pics.I agree. I know I used the word "flab," but in reality she's wearing tight shorts - unless they're bordering on anorexic you would expect them to dig into the flesh of a 28-yr-old.

What I find funny is the average woman I see is quite nice looking, with a good number what I would call beautiful. It's only when measured up to these stylized pics that I would even think of seeing "flaws." If I were to meet any of these celebs in the flesh and compare them to the "beautiful" women, I wonder how many would actually look worse than the celebs.

It's also interesting to note that some of the gallery comments are saying the "before" pics have been shopped to look worse than they actually do. Stupid sensationalist journalism.

Harpy
13th April 10, 06:46 PM
as well as the disturbing "douchebag who wants a 'reality TV' body".

Hmmm, never considered that but now you bring it up I can definitely see that reality tv may be one of the more current 'trend setting' media for body image.

Anyone seen Heidi Montag's new face and body after going under the knife?
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-infashion/2010-01-13_132214.jpg

Cullion
13th April 10, 06:46 PM
disturbing "douchebag who wants a 'reality TV' body".

All the straight men I know regard those dudes as exhibiting a messed-up form of closeted homosexuality. Maybe it's a purely British viewpoint.

Zendetta
13th April 10, 06:54 PM
All the straight men I know regard those dudes as exhibiting a messed-up form of closeted homosexuality.

I am certainly not going to try to refute that position.

Ajamil
13th April 10, 06:55 PM
They look quite a bit less douchey when viewed in a mirror.

FickleFingerOfFate
13th April 10, 07:16 PM
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/5/5/128860393531477540.jpg

Harpy
13th April 10, 07:30 PM
All the straight men I know regard those dudes as exhibiting a messed-up form of closeted homosexuality. Maybe it's a purely British viewpoint.

The guys I used to train with, most of my male friends, my brother, my husband...they're all into looking good and are all body-conscious. They actually have respect for guys who 'take care of themselves' (I'm not talking face cream and roids though).

What's gay about that?

Truculent Sheep
13th April 10, 09:36 PM
I used to know a girl who's mother told her she was fat and basically tied her to a treadmill when she was 14. now some might call this abuse and decry what it must have done for her self esteem. others might point out that today her self esteem is quite high owing to the fact that she has to keep men at bay with a pointed stick.

The mother was a twat. End of.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
13th April 10, 10:47 PM
The fashion industry does seem to be largely run by gay men and strange, bitter older women.

There's a few big houses that might fit that stereotype, like when Dior Homme had the world's biggest poof Hedi Slimane as its designer, but by and lage that isn't any more true than saying any other industry is run largely by money hungry fat cats apathetic to the plight of the proletariat.

Robot Jesus
13th April 10, 11:53 PM
well her daughter isn't skinny now, just hot as hell. I didn't know her then, but I take it that it was constructive criticism.

bob
13th April 10, 11:54 PM
The guys I used to train with, most of my male friends, my brother, my husband...they're all into looking good and are all body-conscious. They actually have respect for guys who 'take care of themselves' (I'm not talking face cream and roids though).

What's gay about that?

I'm pretty sure I remember you implying your husband was a sometime habituee of closet-land.

HappyOldGuy
13th April 10, 11:57 PM
Anyone seen Heidi Montag's new face and body after going under the knife?

Heidi is hella disturbing. She used to be kinda pretty even if she wasn't my type. But she's spent the last year, hundreds of thousands of dollars and untold suffering to look like Joan Rivers. It's like old broads trying to look young and hot is the new young and hot, and it's creepy as fuck.

Harpy
14th April 10, 03:36 AM
^agree. She was a pretty girl. Maybe the face lift is a pre-emptive measure given that she so young? She looks scary though.

bornsceptic - no, that was me just trying make him think he was touched as a child. Other than his love of designer undies, hair products, oil of olay, more shoes and clothes than me (and a thing for rubbing massage oil over his post-workout body), he's straight.

Lebell
14th April 10, 04:45 AM
weaklings.

the recepy for a good figure is being like me: POOR.
now a lot of fellow poor people fuck it up: they eat unhealthy cheap crap which make em fat. (lolol poor but fat! lolol).

i use my poorness as a lifestyle: i don't have a car.
i don't take busses.
i walk or bycicle.
i buy cheap healthy food on market days, i eat meat 2,3 times a week if im lucky, and it tastes the best when i finally eat some meat.

instead of elevators i take stairs, i worked in construction (lifting bricks up and down all day long).

so: want to have a good figure?
get poor.

Ajamil
14th April 10, 09:35 AM
Funny, I do it the same way. I'll even be getting a bike now that my job is less than 5 miles away and not across a river.

Cullion
14th April 10, 10:22 AM
There's a few big houses that might fit that stereotype, like when Dior Homme had the world's biggest poof Hedi Slimane as its designer, but by and lage that isn't any more true than saying any other industry is run largely by money hungry fat cats apathetic to the plight of the proletariat.

But this is largely true.

I'm confused, are you agreeing with me, or agreeing with me whilst saying 'you can't say that shit out loud bro', or not agreeing with me?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
14th April 10, 01:19 PM
Somewhere in the middle. There's definitely a larger % of fashion designers who are gay than average people who are gay, and in true queen fashion they're always drawing attention to themselves with futuristic drag queen clothing. But there's also more than enough straight men or young lesbians or asexual freaks designing clothes to make generalizations like


The fashion industry does seem to be largely run by gay men and strange, bitter older women.

just plain ol stupid. It sounds more like you once saw a Gareth Pugh show and decided that fashion must be pretty gay if it's going to put that shit on the runway.

Cullion
14th April 10, 01:48 PM
It's mostly from watching TV interviews with fashion designers and fashion reporters and knowing 1 person who worked in a fashion house.

Truculent Sheep
14th April 10, 02:47 PM
well her daughter isn't skinny now, just hot as hell. I didn't know her then, but I take it that it was constructive criticism.

Or as it is known in less BMI-obsessed circles, 'Child Abuse'.

Cullion
14th April 10, 03:09 PM
The guys I used to train with, most of my male friends, my brother, my husband...they're all into looking good and are all body-conscious. They actually have respect for guys who 'take care of themselves' (I'm not talking face cream and roids though).

What's gay about that?

All the kissing, mutual masturbation and anal.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
14th April 10, 05:05 PM
It's mostly from watching TV interviews with fashion designers and fashion reporters and knowing 1 person who worked in a fashion house.

The avant-garde runway stuff tends to attract big ol fags because they can put rentboy shit like cut up and translucent shirts or leather pants and call it art. A lot of the sober, wearable stuff comes from men and women who aren't particularly unusual. It's like any other industry, small businesses run by normal people actually make up the largest percentage of the market while a few kooks running the biggest names skew the laymen's perspective.

HappyOldGuy
14th April 10, 05:10 PM
Everything I know about fashion I learned from project runway.

Tim Gunn is totally straight. I know cause he made me put on a dress before he would fuck me.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
14th April 10, 05:19 PM
So? Cullion did the same thing to me but I don't consider him straight.

Cullion
14th April 10, 05:30 PM
That was not just any dress, that was my mother's wedding dress. I was planning a future.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
14th April 10, 05:36 PM
I was wondering why you'd give me such a big dress.

KO'd N DOA
19th April 10, 04:03 PM
As I see it, the debate is guided by age. At 10, I could easily tell you what was fat. At 16, I could tell you what was fat, but it was different criteria from when I was young. That standard changed in my 20's, and again in my 30's....and one day I'll be like those old guys at the mall ogling anything that goes by - even 600lbers in stretchy pants in those fatster carts.

FickleFingerOfFate
19th April 10, 09:34 PM
- even 600lbers in stretchy pants in those fatster carts.


Step away from the slippery slope...

Harpy
19th April 10, 10:37 PM
Is that 600lb including the motorized cart?

Feryk
20th April 10, 11:49 AM
As I see it, the debate is guided by age. At 10, I could easily tell you what was fat. At 16, I could tell you what was fat, but it was different criteria from when I was young. That standard changed in my 20's, and again in my 30's....and one day I'll be like those old guys at the mall ogling anything that goes by - even 600lbers in stretchy pants in those fatster carts.


Well...at least you will know in that moment that you have lived too long. Most people never really figure it out.

KO'd N DOA
20th April 10, 12:17 PM
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That would be 600, without the machine...