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Ajamil
3rd March 10, 12:28 PM
Get on the bus, NoB! We're immortalizing the undead Pres. by putting his visage on the $50 bill! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/03/ronald-reagan-on-50-bill_n_483787.html)



RALEIGH, N.C. — A U.S. congressman from North Carolina wants the $50 bill redrawn to feature the face of former President Ronald Reagan.
Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry wants Congress to tell the U.S Treasury to replace former President Ulysses S. Grant on the bill. McHenry announced his bill Tuesday. He has 13 Republican co-sponsors.
Grant was a Union general during the Civil War who led the North to victory and later became the nation's 18th president.
McHenry said Reagan transformed the nation's political and economic thinking and argued that "every generation needs its own heroes."
One of McHenry's Republican primary opponents, Scott Keadle, said he admires Reagan, too. But he accused McHenry of pandering to voters with the bill instead of focusing his work on the bad economy.

Grant is out - all the drunkard did was win a war and flounce around the White House, but Reagan...Reagan is an icon to half of our country. Reagan - the actor - is the epitome of anyone can be president.

Actually I might support this unless a good case is made for Grant. I mean, love him or hate him, Reagan did have a very effective presidency, while I hear almost nothing of what Grant did while president. I'll see how his wiki defense is.

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 12:36 PM
Uhh, uh-huh, yeah Uhh, uh-huh, yeah
It's all about the Gippers, Baby
Uhh, uh-huh, yeah Uhh, uh-huh, yeah

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
3rd March 10, 12:46 PM
I don't like Grant being on the fifty. I really don't like the idea of Reagan on the fifty.

Ajamil
3rd March 10, 12:49 PM
So far I have Grant killed American citizens to win his war. Reagan did no such thing to win the Cold War.

Grant changed his birth name. What is he hiding??

Early military career had him spending way too much time with horses. Possible zoophile.


"I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day, regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation."He doesn't support our troops.

The Jews, as a class, violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department, and also Department orders, are hereby expelled from the Department (comprising areas of Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee), Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi), and Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky)).Hates Jews.

When urgent telegrams from state leaders begged for help to put down the waves of violence by paramilitary groups surrounding elections, Grant's Attorney General, Edwards Pierrepont (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_Pierrepont), replied that "the whole public is tired of these annual autumnal outbreaks in the South," saying that state militias should handle the problems, not the Army.Weak on terrorism.

He seems to have done quite a bit for civil rights, but everyone knows those didn't exist until the 60s with Martin Luther King Jr.

He also stopped an inflation bill, but Reagan is still the better known conservative.



In addition to the $15,500,000 arbitration award, the [TReaty of Washington] settled the following desputes with the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) and Canada:

Ended immediate threat of war with the United Kingdom.
Settled border dispute between U.S. and Canada.
Settled disputes over fishing rights in the North Pacific. The treaty triggered a movement for countries to seek alternatives to declaring war through arbitration and the codification of international law. These principles would be the motivating influences for further peace keeping institutions such as the Hague Conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_%281899_and_1907%29), the League of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations), the World Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice), and eventually the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations). The renowned scholar in international law, John Bassett Moorein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bassett_Moore), hailed the Treaty of Washington as "the greatest treaty of actual and immediate arbitration the world has ever seen."Was one of the first and most well-known failures at international law.


It was not until 1958 that Congress, believing it inappropriate that a former President or his wife might be poverty-stricken, passed a bill granting them a pension, still in effect today.Didn't plan properly for retirement. Had the govt. bail him out.

Honestly the guy should be booted - these were the GOOD sections of his article!

mrblackmagic
3rd March 10, 12:53 PM
People are starting to realize how awesome Grover Cleveland was, we may as well put him on the 50.

Zendetta
3rd March 10, 12:56 PM
According to Thoma Friedman, Reagan killed America.

Out here in Cali there are some folks that want to rename a local mountain "Mount Reagan".

It's current name is "Mount Diablo". Draw your own conclusions.

jkdbuck76
3rd March 10, 12:59 PM
Nah! We need William H. Taft on the fifty. But they'll have to make the bill bigger.

WarPhalange
3rd March 10, 01:27 PM
It's a good thing I know you're not mentally retarded, Arjuna, otherwise I might have thought you were being serious about it being a good idea.

Give money to the people who already have money and magically the people who don't have money will get some too!

Yeah, brilliant. He should be put on the penny and then we should have the penny stop being produced all together. And then we should all take a dump on his grave and punch his wife.

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 01:34 PM
I don't like Grant being on the fifty. I really don't like the idea of Reagan on the fifty.
You are a pizza delivery boy.
Like you have even SEEN a fitty.

HappyOldGuy
3rd March 10, 02:07 PM
According to Thoma Friedman, Reagan killed America.

Out here in Cali there are some folks that want to rename a local mountain "Mount Reagan".

It's current name is "Mount Diablo". Draw your own conclusions.
I think we should split the difference and call it 'Mount Reagan Was the Devil'

Meh, I despise Ronnie, but Grant is on a fairly short list of presidents that were even shittier than he was. I think we should use this as a negotiating chip, 'You guys can have Reagan on the fifty if we get a public option.'

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
3rd March 10, 02:30 PM
You are a pizza delivery boy.
Like you have even SEEN a fitty.

my shoes are worth more than your computer

Ajamil
3rd March 10, 02:41 PM
It's a good thing I know you're not mentally retarded, Arjuna, otherwise I might have thought you were being serious about it being a good idea.

Give money to the people who already have money and magically the people who don't have money will get some too!

Yeah, brilliant. He should be put on the penny and then we should have the penny stop being produced all together. And then we should all take a dump on his grave and punch his wife. I kind of am serious. I think Reagen is a bigger symbol of our nation than Grant is. I think he achieved great things for his political party. I think many in our nation see him as one of our greatest presidents. I think most regard Grant as one of our worst.

That said, just because I don't think socialism will work doesn't mean I don't like it. I can't stand how Reagan dropped so many social programs, and I agree with you in your faulting of his economic theory.

Edit: If it makes you feel better, I bet we could argue for the removal of Hamilton too. Roosevelt isn't on any currency, he should take the five. Both of them, I mean - just put one name and have a split picture with them doing gang signs for T. and F.D.

I'd say Kennedy has a run in the billing, but we really don't know how he was going to turn out, and I wonder if a lot of his honor is pity for being assassinated.

2nd edit: One more reason for the swap: Reagan had attempts on his life, but no one could put the Ronald down. That puts him above Lincoln and Kennedy, and Grant drank himself to death, so that a big step down.

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 02:48 PM
my shoes are worth more than your computer
That's because kid's sizes always cost more.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
3rd March 10, 02:50 PM
i only wear kid's size clothes
my shoes are MAN sized

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 02:52 PM
i only wear kid's size clothes
my shoes are MAN sized

They are bronzed booties, aren't they?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
3rd March 10, 04:03 PM
$300 designer sneakers (from europe (that your wife bought me (with your money) after we fucked)

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 04:14 PM
My wife's not Bulgarian

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 04:26 PM
That's cause you don't earn enough.
Why how much did the customs and import fees cost you to get her shipped over?

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 04:38 PM
SHE onlty weight 100 lbs. She is an angel and can flight herself.

Really?
So I guess you have her chained down with silver or something?

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 04:43 PM
NO, THAt is WOLVERINES YOU LIMP DICK. NOT ANGLES>

ANGELS YOU CHAIN DOWN WITH LOVE AND PLENTIFUL WANG GOOD TIMES.

"I know, I've never brought one of my Angels up from the Garden, before!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuRSYjng_fo)

WarPhalange
3rd March 10, 04:56 PM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/89/Reaganomics.jpg

Lights Out
3rd March 10, 05:26 PM
I'd really like to see a bill with Carter on it... no, wait, Nixon, Nixon would be even better.

EuropIan
3rd March 10, 05:59 PM
Reagan was Nixon Super Sayan lv2.

He cleverly hid his gold fro with a wig

Spade: The Real Snake
3rd March 10, 06:06 PM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/89/Reaganomics.jpg

Point to the Physicist in the photo*.










*hint, he's mixing their drinks.

Lights Out
3rd March 10, 06:11 PM
Reagan was Nixon Super Sayan lv2.

He cleverly hid his gold fro with a wig

In Nixon's defense* I'd say that Reagan faced more firendly times for his stint.

That or he had the charm Nixon lacked, or both.

*I never beleived I would ever defend Nixon...

boondock lee
4th March 10, 12:59 AM
ummm.... now I is no fancy historian or something but wasn't reagan involved in the iran-contra affairwhich is like really fucking bad? YOu know something about selling weapons to Iran ( WHO ARE SO SCAry) and giving the cash to support terrorism?

Which kinda makes Watergate seem like nothing in comparison...

Lights Out
4th March 10, 06:51 AM
Mmmm, far be it from me to praise Reagan, but it is impossible to be the president of the USA and not fuck up at some point or another. in the best case scenario, your fuck ups won't be considered as such until years into the future, when the development of the events leave better room for interpretation.

I don't think Reagan beleived that would eventually backfire, and considered it helping USA's interests at the time.

Bottom line is, I don't think Reagan was the devil his detractors think he was.

He was an über-capitalist and american imperialist, with all the virtues and flaws that entails.

WarPhalange
4th March 10, 09:30 AM
I don't think Reagan beleived that would eventually backfire, and considered it helping USA's interests at the time.

No shit?

When's the last time you had a President do something that didn't further the USA's interest at the time, at least in his mind? The point is the ends don't justify the means.

Mas
4th March 10, 09:41 AM
Edit: If it makes you feel better, I bet we could argue for the removal of Hamilton too. Roosevelt isn't on any currency, he should take the five. Both of them, I mean - just put one name and have a split picture with them doing gang signs for T. and F.D.

I'd say Kennedy has a run in the billing, but we really don't know how he was going to turn out, and I wonder if a lot of his honor is pity for being assassinated.

2nd edit: One more reason for the swap: Reagan had attempts on his life, but no one could put the Ronald down. That puts him above Lincoln and Kennedy, and Grant drank himself to death, so that a big step down.

HAMILTON STAYS.

Why no moneyface for John Adams the Elder?

That's right: cause he's ugly.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th March 10, 09:54 AM
$300 designer sneakers (from europe (that your wife bought me (with your money) after we fucked)

You getting my 9 yr. old's "hand me downs" =/= buying them for you

Kiko
4th March 10, 12:18 PM
God Bless Ronald Wilson Reagan!

Ben Franklin was pretty kickass too. I'm not sure about the exchange rate here.

mrblackmagic
4th March 10, 04:55 PM
I forgot. Cleveland was so awesome. They put his fat ass on the 1000. The only bill big enough to hold it.


http://threesixty360.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/usdollar1000front.jpg





I think everybody can agree. For a commie, FDR would be good choice for the 50.

EuropIan
4th March 10, 05:00 PM
I forgot. Cleveland was so awesome. They put his fat ass on the 1000. The only bill big enough to hold it.


http://threesixty360.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/usdollar1000front.jpg


I think everybody can agree. For a commie, FDR would be good choice for the 50.
Come inflation time, Taft could probably fit on the million dollar bill.

Maybe.

Lights Out
4th March 10, 06:08 PM
No shit?

When's the last time you had a President do something that didn't further the USA's interest at the time, at least in his mind? The point is the ends don't justify the means.

What I meant is that it is easy to acuse people of lack of foresight whith the perspective that 20 years or more into the future give.

I'm no expert at American history, but I have the impression that Reagan was one of the presidents more keen on expanding USA influence, be it directly or surreptitiously. He had the power and the will to use it, with no shame or qualms about it.

I don't think he could see how his actions would backfire decades on. If he would have acted the same in that case, it's up to debate.

Not condoning his actions, though, but I beleive he had strong motivations for them, and at least he seemd like he knew what he was doing.

The same cannot be said about Bush Jr.

Spade: The Real Snake
4th March 10, 06:40 PM
Grover Cleveland.
Puttin' babies inta bitchez in da White House, y'all

EuropIan
5th March 10, 04:56 PM
What I meant is that it is easy to acuse people of lack of foresight whith the perspective that 20 years or more into the future give.

I'm no expert at American history, but I have the impression that Reagan was one of the presidents more keen on expanding USA influence, be it directly or surreptitiously. He had the power and the will to use it, with no shame or qualms about it.

I don't think he could see how his actions would backfire decades on. If he would have acted the same in that case, it's up to debate.

Not condoning his actions, though, but I beleive he had strong motivations for them, and at least he seemd like he knew what he was doing.

The same cannot be said about Bush Jr.
He had strong motivations, the problem with and a result of these strong motivations was that Nixon believed the ends justifies the means. He proved this by instigating horrible and bloody civil wars in South America to stop what he thought was dangerous communist encroachment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_in_Guerrilla_Warfare

Lights Out
5th March 10, 05:40 PM
He had strong motivations, the problem with and a result of these strong motivations was that Nixon believed the ends justifies the means. He proved this by instigating horrible and bloody civil wars in South America to stop what he thought was dangerous communist encroachment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_in_Guerrilla_Warfare

As I said, i'm not condoning his actions. Nixon took it too far, and Reagan knew who he could fuck and who he couldn't.

I'll explain. I beleive that the general population of the USA has... matured? not, not exactly the word, has grow more conscious about the rest of the world in the recent decades, as compared to the eighties.

Honeslty, who gave a fuck about the lives of a bunch of illiterate south american peasants as compared to fighting communism back then? Not Reagan and not the majority of the american population.

Nixon broke the american law and thus, pissed on its citizens, Reagan pissed all over the southern continent while keeping america clean.

I beleive Reagan represents the peak in american prowress, when being shamelessly greedy was not only not looked down on, but encouraged. Reagan armwrestled USA's archnemesis and won.

In a sense, I beleive Reagan represents the strong face of America in a time when it was clear who were the good guys and who were the bad guys.

Generally speaking people dislike shades of grey and prefer things that are presented to them in black and white. And that's what Reagan era was: a black and white landscape with no shades of grey.

I'm not surprised about the Reagan love in this era when black and white are not as clear and even the very basics of capitalism are being questioned.

People tend to retarct to childish mindsets (black and white) in times of economical and moral crisis (they often go hand by hand) such as this one.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it is my impression that Reagan faced little oposition within the USA about his actions on South America.

HappyOldGuy
5th March 10, 06:50 PM
Black and white is better than poop yellow with snack cakes.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
6th March 10, 01:05 PM
You getting my 9 yr. old's "hand me downs" =/= buying them for you

your son wears some balla shoes

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
6th March 10, 01:07 PM
real talk

Spade: The Real Snake
6th March 10, 01:19 PM
your son wears some balla shoes
actually, he does

Cullion
6th March 10, 01:40 PM
Reagan started out as a Democrat you know.

Cullion
6th March 10, 02:10 PM
Reagan's economy policy saw a huge peak in unemployment in 1982 which then reduced throughout the rest of his presidency. Relative to the Carter government, Reagan's presidency saw lower average unemployment rates, lower inflation, higher GDP growth (although neither of these last two are very trustworthy statistics) and lower tax rates.

Basically, like Thatcher, he tried to put the country through a period of intense temporary pain to sweep away the damage caused by the prior left-wing administration.

This usually, by necessity, begins with the liquidation of big-union and public sector 'makework' or unsustainable working terms and conditions.

This is _always_ a painful process and it usually falls hardest on those who don't have much to cushion them. It's going to have to be done brutally in the UK soon and I don't relish the thought.

Responsible and thoughtful right wingers ought to devote more energy to cushioning these shocks for the poorest.

However, he failed to control spending and saw the deficit balloon (much of it due to the vast military spending he was using to try and break the USSR's back economically), and appointing Greenspan to the Fed was a huge mistake (Volker did a good job before him).

He was certainly better than Carter, and he still had the cold war to deal with. However, his version of economic laissez-faire was pretty corporatist and militaristic and ultimately got the country into a lot of debt.

I've seen a lot worse, but he was a flawed military industrial complex spokesperson. He got the US out of Carter's mess and saw off the USSR, but did it at great long-term expense with some horrible shocks for the poorest along the way. I'm not sure if his record could've been improved upon though.

Zendetta
6th March 10, 11:30 PM
You left out the Astrology and the Alzheimer's.

Hedley LaMarr
7th March 10, 04:00 PM
Put Polk on the 50.

Ajamil
7th March 10, 05:14 PM
Don't make me post the song, Dunkel. I still use him as a write in.

mrblackmagic
7th March 10, 06:12 PM
Put Polk on the 50.

Downside: genocide.

Upside: America as we know it today.

He's got my vote.

Hedley LaMarr
7th March 10, 09:18 PM
Don't make me post the song, Dunkel. I still use him as a write in.
Go ahead, make my day.

Ajamil
7th March 10, 09:56 PM
nGCuDDAPggw

YT seems to be cracking down on studio recordings, but here's one from myspace (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=26619422).