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Matsufubu
26th August 09, 08:52 PM
I saw this a couple of nights ago with my girlfriend. Overall it's okay but far from Tarantino's best and I have mixed feelings about it.

The film is divided up into 'scenes', in the usual Tarantino way. The film starts promisingly with a 20 minute scene featuring the film's main 'baddie' - the Nazi 'Jew Hunter', and a French farmer. Great dialogue, real tension, powerful drama...one of the best scenes I've seen for a long time; Tarantino at his best. I was very hopeful at this stage.

From then on we learn about the other main protagonists: the French girl with a desire for revenge, Brad Pitt's character, and his band of 'Inglourious Basterds' - a gang of Jewish commandos waging a guerilla war of terror on German troops. You'd have thought that the film being named after this 'Dirty Dozen' rip-off would mean the film was all about them, but they don't really feature as heavily as you might think.

There's three scenes that stand out as really good cinema in this film: the opening scene with the farmer; the bar scene; and the penultimate scene in the cinema. Most of the rest are quite forgettable; at two and a half hours long this film could have done with some more forceful editing - it's at least half an hour too long. For example, the Mike Myers cameo was funny but belonged in an Austin Powers movie, not this. It's almost as if Taranino just decided that editing was too much hassle, so just bung the whole lot in. Too much waffle.

A major bugbear I had with this film was the violence and gore. Now don't get me wrong, I am not averse to violence in films; I've been watching Aliens/Predator/Die Hard, and their ilk since I was 12. I know that in a Tarantino film you're going to get violence and blood. Many films have had graphic and realistic depictions of injury and viscera and haven't bothered me. I loved Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and rather liked the Kill Bill movies.
No, my problem here was the unnecessarily gruesome scenes of scalping and mutilation that had absolutely no purpose other than to revel in the torture and gore. I mean, the 'storming the beach' scene from Saving Private Ryan had realistic blood and guts, but it had a purpose - to show you the gritty, horrific realities of war. The Friday 13th films had excessive gore, but it's so over the top you can't help but laugh, and that's really all those films are about: gross-out horror. I can only presume that the gore in 'Inglourious Basterds' is Eli Roth's influence given his 'Hostel' films. So the problem isn't the gore and violence itself, rather that it's excessively detailed and HAS NO PURPOSE. It's the equivalent of chucking a bit of hardcore porn into the film: yes it might titillate some people, but it adds nothing to the film itself and is there purely to get cheap views.

Also, the final actions of the Jew Hunter Nazi didn't quite sit right with me. I don't believe that his actions and character development in the film thus far would lead to his actions in the end.

Don't get me wrong; I did actually quite like the film. It has genuinely funny moments, good jokes and some quality scenes. My gripes are that the film is general disjointed, too long and excessively graphic. Brad Pitt is mediocre, Christoph Waltz is excellent, and everyone else is okay.

Overall 6/10. Better editing and less self-indulgence could have scored a 7.5.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
26th August 09, 11:10 PM
Re: Editing, I felt the opposite way. It seemed like he was trying to fit too much into "only" two and a half hours, so some things like that black dude didn't get the proper development.

jvjim
26th August 09, 11:37 PM
I feel this is probably the best Tarantino film yet. It features his always great writing, but also shows an great improvement in cinematography and storytelling. I'm not a big Tarantino fan though.

theotherserge
27th August 09, 12:06 AM
funny, I really felt that way about "Kill Bill pt 2": that it was just overtly violent in a disgusting way and way, way too overindulgent in its dialouge. Made me like Kill Bill pt1 less, and I did like it. I was happy that I rented pt2 so I could just fast fwd thru the onerous scenes with David Carridine and Uma. The guy is a very good writer, but he's no Kubrick when it comes to "ordinary people taking in an interesting way"

The edgy white-guy thing just doesn't work for me at all. Him, in his own film, going on and on about "dead nigger this/that" just rubs me the wrong way. I'm actually surprised he didn't do the film with the Nazis as the protagonists, what could be more Hollywood gauche? eh?

I look forward to renting this one.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
27th August 09, 12:10 AM
I'm actually surprised he didn't do the film with the Nazis as the protagonists, what could be more Hollywood gauche? eh?

been waiting for this movie/video game for a while

bob
27th August 09, 01:24 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074452/

f4n4n
27th August 09, 06:35 AM
I liked it, for a lot of reasons, the fact that they keep the languages and only provided subtitles makes you feel like you are in there (I'm surprised how similar French and Portuguese are, hardly needed the subtitles for the French). I like the characters, they are a nice balance between serious (shoshona) and funny (the Brad Pitt and over painted Hitler). At no point the humour is too heavy to lose the drama.
And the Jew Hunter, as character and actor, awesome, worth the movie alone.

In regards of the violence, this is a difficult one, since we only "see" one scene of Nazi violence and on the other hand we have this extreme display from the "victim" side. This is debatable, but I think if fits and for the viewer who can put it in to the context it is well put.

The cinematography is good with parts of awesome (The talking shoshona during the burning cinema, the scene in the house at the beginning and the one in the bar) I almost felt it was too much to pack in the time but he did a good job.
And the playing with images/symbols is also incredible (the milk theme during the restaurant).

I say very good. The best Tarantino? I don't know, but far up there.

Shotgun Christening
27th August 09, 06:53 AM
been waiting for this movie/video game for a while


Have you seen Fatherland? Older movie but Germans play Pro and Antagonist in this one.

EuropIan
27th August 09, 10:07 AM
I saw it with Zendetta & his crew..

I liked the hyperviolence, the way he managed to weave tarantinoesque dialogue together in three(possibly four) languages.

Antagonist was awesome.

Tarantino can't do a movie without it being in acts. I think he finally realized it.

"The Bear Jew" was a concept that made me lol.

Funniest scene was the one where he poked fun at just how monolingual Americans are (ariwaderchi!).

Some storylines were underdeveloped.

rocketsurgeon
27th August 09, 10:34 AM
The little things were there, like the quick shot completely zoomed in on the buckle of the high heel at the end. This girl's life was going to depend completely on the shoe. Tarantino's use of that kind of shot makes watching his movies like talking to a brilliant old friend, familiar yet impressive.

EuropIan
27th August 09, 10:38 AM
The little things were there, like the quick shot completely zoomed in on the buckle of the high heel at the end. This girl's life was going to depend completely on the shoe. Tarantino's use of that kind of shot makes watching his movies like talking to a brilliant old friend, familiar yet impressive.
No, he did that shot because Tarantino is a foot fetishcist(sp?)

f4n4n
27th August 09, 10:42 AM
^^ Yeah, what was with the naked feet in death proof?

EuropIan
27th August 09, 10:51 AM
Deathproof was the most obvious one... Go back through his other movies, becomes pretty apparent which body part he prefers

Spade: The Real Snake
27th August 09, 11:34 AM
The BEST Tarrantino would be Jackie Brown, which is also a story he didn't create (did the screenplay adaption I think), as it was based on an Elmore Leonard novel. Great cast, good pacing and most importantly:

He didn't use it to make a parody of himself which he does in most other Tarrantino movies. He homages himself far too often.

EuropIan
27th August 09, 11:40 AM
His cameo in Basterds is brief and barely noticable.

Mostly because he doesn't say anyhting

KO'd N DOA
27th August 09, 02:24 PM
So did the basterd find his dad or not?

Matsufubu
27th August 09, 02:58 PM
The Guardian's review: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/aug/19/inglourious-basterds-review-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino

The Daily Telegraph's review: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/6060344/Inglourious-Basterds-review.html

Others:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-basterds21-2009aug21,0,1767289.story

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/film-review-inglourious-basterds-1003974829.story

All saying the same thing: too indulgent and not enough focus. The point of the Mike Myers scene is...? The point of introducing the British spy is...? Diane Kruger's role is necessary why...? Etc, etc, etc. If Tarantino had stopped adding more and more pointless peripherals and focused on his main characters and their development it would have been a much better film. What was good was great, but there was just too much padding and waffle. I cared about two characters: the Jew Hunter and the French girl. Everybody else could live, die, get abducted by aliens or whatever and I wouldn't have cared.

Still better than most of the tripe that's been out this summer. Perhaps that's why it seems better than it really is?

OZZ
27th August 09, 04:36 PM
Hopefully get out to see this while I am up north next week..
Not too revved about it, but I'm a Tarantino fan and I'll stick by him. The guy's the most important filmmaker of this generation - whether people want to admit it or not. I think a lot of the hate that people spew off about him is just jealousy..the guy rose up from video store clerk/movie geek to become one of the most celebrated filmmakers of all time.
My best friend is a wannabe actor who's been struggling and doing commercials and student films for the past ten years and he's always bad mouthing Tarantino saying he stole his roomate's script and all this other shit..whatever.
In the end jealousy gets you nowhere. So just enjoy his fucking movies already.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
27th August 09, 05:14 PM
The guy's the most important filmmaker of this generation - whether people want to admit it or not. I think a lot of the hate that people spew off about him is just jealousy..

First you say that Jimi got worse over the years before his death and now you come up with this shit?

Sun Wukong
27th August 09, 05:22 PM
Personally? I loved it. I'm back on the tarantino wagon I was riding after Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction.

Some of the horror movie genre stuff he tried to do really turned me off of him because it's all been done before and done better. I really hope he's finished with it.

RickTheCritic
27th August 09, 07:17 PM
The problem with the movie is with the "basterds". They tacked on to an otherwise good film. Although they are the title characters they are in less then 50% of the movie, to make things worse they barely contribute to the plot. If they were edited out as well as most of the Hitler scenes the only thing that would change is The Jew hunter would have been burned alive with the rest of the German high command instead of becoming a turn coat, which makes little sense since he choked out the actress for being a traitor a hour ago. The big shoot out wouldnt matter because they would die in the fire anyways.

It just seems the Basterds are there to provide ultaviolence and one really really good scene.

6/10

boondock lee
27th August 09, 10:44 PM
I planned on seeing it last weekend, but didn't :(

I'll try to see it this weekend.

It is doing well on RT.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inglourious_basterds/

Spade: The Real Snake
27th August 09, 11:36 PM
Anyone see the "original" Inglorious BastArds with Bo Svenson and Fred Williamson?

theotherserge
28th August 09, 01:05 AM
Anyone see the "original" Inglorious BastArds with Bo Svenson and Fred Williamson?
H0LY SHIT!!! I'd forgotten 'bout that! I think it'd make a
good double feature with Lee Majors in "The Norsemen" EPIC crap!

theotherserge
28th August 09, 01:16 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074452/
Fück jah!! Except they all eat it and Field Marshall Duvall gets the firing squad. We need a revisionist history flick. Like Nazi Wermacht troops protect an orphanage of Black kids from the Klan...something pointless like that.

bob
28th August 09, 05:17 AM
Selling a Nazi as even an antihero is difficult. Nazis just lend themselves to unfiltered villain status too easily. I blame the Nazis.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th August 09, 11:23 AM
Selling a Nazi as even an antihero is difficult. Nazis just lend themselves to unfiltered villain status too easily. I blame the Nazis.

I thought Ralph Fiennes did a fine job in Schindler's List.

Shawarma
28th August 09, 11:25 AM
Selling a Nazi as even an antihero is difficult. Nazis just lend themselves to unfiltered villain status too easily. I blame the Nazis.
I blame the nazi's inability to win the war.

EuropIan
28th August 09, 02:24 PM
I actually thought the Jewhunter was just that damned good to pull that off.

Ajamil
29th August 09, 12:56 AM
I blame the nazi's inability to win the war.

They're not evil, they're just losers, then?

bob
29th August 09, 01:15 AM
I blame the nazi's inability to win the war.

Damn straight. If you took them at 3 to 1 on in '39 you'd have been pissed.

socratic
29th August 09, 03:46 AM
I thought Ralph Fiennes did a fine job in Schindler's List.

Amon Goeth was not an antihero. Ever. Ever ever ever. Maybe you were watching a straight-to-video sequel.

resolve
2nd September 09, 01:39 AM
It has genuinely funny moments, good jokes and some quality scenes. My gripes are that the film is general disjointed, too long and excessively graphic.

Every Tarantino film ever made :-/

Shawarma
2nd September 09, 05:15 AM
They're not evil, they're just losers, then?
History is written by the victors.

bob
2nd September 09, 05:17 AM
And then rewritten by the Jews, amirite?

Shawarma
2nd September 09, 05:19 AM
That's amusing. Please do not move - a ZOG assault team will be along shortly to re-educate you.

Dark Helmet
2nd September 09, 10:58 PM
The first 10 minutes of the film at the farm house was some of the best acting I've scene In a long time. When the farmer gave-up on the family shocked me. I thought he was going to pull it off by fooling the Jewhunter but Tarantino didn't let the film do that.

Marc Spector
4th September 09, 01:48 PM
Gawrlommy.

Steve
4th September 09, 03:01 PM
One word sums it up: predictable.

Worst Tarantino film I've ever seen.

Tonuzaba
5th September 09, 04:26 PM
One word sums it up: predictable.

Worst Tarantino film I've ever seen.
If predictable contains me being thrilled all the time during Denis Menochet's and Christoph Waltz's dialogue even watching it the second time, then I love predictable.

Also, no movie containing graphic depiction of Nazi-scalping can be described as "worst" in any sense of the word.

Maybe, as the letters on Col. Hans Landa's uniform said: SD (strangely delightful)...
http://www.militaria-exchange.com/images/images/9217

OZZ
6th September 09, 10:54 AM
First you say that Jimi got worse over the years before his death and now you come up with this shit?

Your'e too young to have an opinion on Jimi and are probably one of the jealous basterds...


BTW I thought the movie was great. Not too excessive on the gore and great dialogue. Much better than Death Proof.

OZZ
6th September 09, 10:56 AM
His cameo in Basterds is brief and barely noticable.

Mostly because he doesn't say anyhting

I missed it..where was he in the film?

nihilist
6th September 09, 02:53 PM
I thought Ralph Fiennes did a fine job in Schindler's List.

I thought you were too busy making out during the film to appreciate the acting.

partyboy
6th September 09, 07:30 PM
saw it. liked it. want it on blu ray.

Spade: The Real Snake
7th September 09, 12:15 AM
I thought you were too busy making out during the film to appreciate the acting.
Is that where the hole in the bottom of the popcorn tub came from.

nihilist
7th September 09, 01:55 AM
Schindler's FIST.

Harpy
7th September 09, 01:58 AM
Life is Buttiful.

nihilist
7th September 09, 02:09 AM
Apt Poophole

partyboy
7th September 09, 02:44 AM
stfu, noobs. movie still rocked.

Kiko
7th September 09, 06:00 AM
Shaving Private Ryan?

No, wait... Shaving Ryan's... um.. NM...

Ajamil
7th September 09, 01:21 PM
A-cock-in-lips Now

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
8th September 09, 01:22 AM
Your'e too young to have an opinion on Jimi

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/jimi.jpg
I've heard more Hendrix concerts than Mitch Mitchell. The man only got better and better.


and are probably one of the jealous basterds...

What has QT done besides make decent movies? It takes more than being your favorite director to be the greatest director of our time.

EuropIan
8th September 09, 01:25 AM
Hopefully get out to see this while I am up north next week..
Not too revved about it, but I'm a Tarantino fan and I'll stick by him. The guy's the most important filmmaker of this generation - whether people want to admit it or not. I think a lot of the hate that people spew off about him is just jealousy..the guy rose up from video store clerk/movie geek to become one of the most celebrated filmmakers of all time.
My best friend is a wannabe actor who's been struggling and doing commercials and student films for the past ten years and he's always bad mouthing Tarantino saying he stole his roomate's script and all this other shit..whatever.
In the end jealousy gets you nowhere. So just enjoy his fucking movies already.
How can a man who basically just does formulaic homage flicks with a certain type of dialogue be the greatest director of our time?

He's good, not great.

nihilist
8th September 09, 09:46 AM
He didn't say "greatest director". That's a matter of opinion anyhoo.

His cinematography is original and inspired. It's not just about the homage/dialogue thing.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
8th September 09, 10:05 AM
The guy's the most important filmmaker of this generation

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 09, 12:24 PM
Considering we don't have many decent directors in this generation, it is faint praise at best.

Mike Judge, oddly enough, has put out some decent flicks, but the overall creation of the film isn't his calling card, merely his ability to peg disaffected characters.

Spike Jonze is touch and go and fucking Wild Things looks creepy as shit. Being John Malkovich was good first time around, less so each subsequent viewings.

Robert Rodriguez= Spy Kids and SharkBoy/LavaGirl. This negates his Mariachi trilogy and Sin City by way of cred.

Maybe Guillermo DelToro, maybe JJ Abrahms, maybe Zach Snyder, maybe Neil Marshall....soon. So far, legitimately the only director I could give the title to right now would be David Fincher. but he got all pussy with Benjamin Button and that Jodie Foster flick.. Aronofsky?...but the Fountain was just...I dunno.....I liked the way it looked, but it was too disjointed.

I would also offer Christopher Nolan, but some people are hoity-toity about Batman/Dark Knight. I liked Curon's Children of Men, but would his Harry Potter flick offset that? I would like to see how the Crank/Shooter cats progress throughout their career.

Suggestions?

EuropIan
8th September 09, 12:28 PM
Paul Thomas Anderson

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 09, 12:30 PM
Only have seen Boogie Nights.

Paul WS Anderson.

EuropIan
8th September 09, 12:38 PM
Only have seen Boogie Nights.


Magnolia is a bit long but brilliant.

There will be Blood is brilliant in acting and cinematography.


Paul WS Anderson.


# Resident Evil: Afterlife (2010) (pre-production) (rumored)

# Death Race (2008)
# AVP: Alien vs. Predator (2004)
... aka Alien vs. Predator (Germany) (USA: short title)
... aka AVP (USA: promotional abbreviation)
# Resident Evil (2002)
... aka Resident Evil (France) (Germany)
# The Sight (2000) (TV)

# Soldier (1998/I) (as Paul Anderson

wat? explain

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 09, 12:40 PM
Death Race.
Soldier.
AVP.
RESIDENT EVIL FLIX.
DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN???

EuropIan
8th September 09, 12:45 PM
Are you going to submit Michael Bay next?

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 09, 12:46 PM
Are you going to submit Michael Bay next?

Jerry Bruckheimer

EuropIan
8th September 09, 12:52 PM
Uwe Boll

Ajamil
8th September 09, 01:28 PM
Jim Henson?

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 09, 03:17 PM
There was a point where Kevin Smith might have made the list. He has brushes with greatness and makes an entertaining flick, but isn't "Director of his generation" quality yet.

OZZ
8th September 09, 06:28 PM
Never said he was the greatest - - said he was the most celebrated. In other words, his movies have recieved a lot of attention and and caused people to pay attention to things like*gasp* dialogue.. and , most importantly, he has shown that you can make a really good movie without a lot of money if the conversation is engaging enough and you have the right actors. His love for the nostalgic strikes a cord with a lot of people as well - and this is another thing that has helped him become as popular as he is. He's also been great at resurrecting actor's careers..which is a nice thing.
Greatest Director of our time? No, but definitely one of the most important. Hell, I like Scorcese and even Ridley Scott more than Quentin, but they are from a different generation. I think you have to give credit where credit is due. And I believe that Tarantino has brought some fresh ideas and original flash to the medium. Judging by the names bneing thrown out here right now..I don't see too much in the way of competition.
Hell, I loved The Dark Knight - but it's BATMAN for christ's sake. Its not like Nolan wrote an original screenplay like Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs.
Maybe Tarantino hasn't followed up these two films with anything comparable - but realistically, how could he? Tough acts to follow..

Spade: The Real Snake
8th September 09, 10:24 PM
Peter Jackson.

Ajamil
9th September 09, 12:11 AM
Sam Raimi

nihilist
9th September 09, 12:13 AM
Little Opie Cunningham.

OZZ
9th September 09, 10:05 AM
Peter Jackson.

Forgot about him..but he's been primarily aided by heavy cgc effects in his movies.
I like him though, especially after seeing District 9.

Spade: The Real Snake
9th September 09, 10:48 AM
Sam Raimi

Not of the same generation. Evil Dead = early 80's.



Little Opie Cunningham.

Same. Really first directing gig was Night Shift in the early 80's


Jackson began kicking it in the early 90s with Brain Dead and Heavenly Creatures....roughly around the same time as Tarrantino.

Ajamil
9th September 09, 11:17 AM
Ron Howard

Edit: Well dammit! What do you consider the cut-off for this generation of filmmakers? I'm wracking my brain just to come up with names of ANY directors so go easy on me.

Spade: The Real Snake
9th September 09, 11:26 AM
I am viewing "the generation" Tarrantino is in to be mid-90s through mid-2000's.

Raimi and Howard would be of the same generation and both had done tons of their own decent work prior to Tarrantino's first film ever being released.

EuropIan
9th September 09, 02:37 PM
Forgot about him..but he's been primarily aided by heavy cgc effects in his movies.
I like him though, especially after seeing District 9.
Executive producers do almost nothing

Spade: The Real Snake
9th September 09, 03:00 PM
Executive producers do almost nothing

Except make it possible for this film to be made.

Seriously, if it weren't for Jackson, District 9 would have been District NEIN!

OZZ
9th September 09, 03:31 PM
Sam Raimi, guys?Come on..
I like the guy, but Spider-Man , Evil Dead movies..Darkman...A Simple Plan...*choke*..
Not in the 'great' class in my opinion.He's a cult film great, but not an all-time great.
Spider-Man was pretty damn good, but again, not original material.

EuropIan
9th September 09, 03:41 PM
[
Quentin Tarantino...

Sam Raimi, guys?Come on..
I like the guy, but Spider-Man , Evil Dead movies..Darkman...A Simple Plan...*choke*..
Not in the 'great' class in my opinion.He's a cult film great, but not an all-time great.
Spider-Man was pretty damn good, but again, not original material.
underlined for cognitive dissonance

Spade: The Real Snake
9th September 09, 04:01 PM
The Gift was a decent film, albeit written by Billy Bob Thornton. I liked Raimi's version of The Quick and The Dead which featured a killer cast.

Raimi is responsible for not only one of the greatest horror characters of all time: Ash, but he is responsible for proving Blade wasn't a fluke and that you could make a decent movie with a Marvel character.

But still, a different generation then Tarrantino. If anything, I see Raimi as an influence on Tarrantino.

EuropIan
9th September 09, 04:03 PM
I wouldn't put it past QT to make an homage to Evil dead 2

Spade: The Real Snake
9th September 09, 04:13 PM
I wouldn't put it past QT to make an homage to Evil dead 2

If given his druthers, Tarrantino homages himself.

OZZ
9th September 09, 08:04 PM
I hated Blade. Another one that could have been much better..same with Darkman - that could have been such a cool movie, but it was just mediocre instead.
I think overall Raimi has disappointed me more than anything over the years. But I still think he's a hell of a filmmaker.

OZZ
9th September 09, 08:05 PM
Executive producers do almost nothing

Well, so do you - but we tolerate you anyways.

Spade: The Real Snake
9th September 09, 09:00 PM
I hated Blade. Another one that could have been much better..
Now, you are saying this from a 2009 vantage point, with the privilege of several well-made Marvel films.
But remember, back in 1997ish, the stink of the Matt Sallinger Captain America, Dolph Lundgren Punisher and the shelved Roger Corman Fantastic Four still fresh on your unwashed pecker.
Remember how awesome Blade was and how it pretty much paved the way for Marvel to quit fucking around with their properties.



same with Darkman - that could have been such a cool movie, but it was just mediocre instead.
Liam Fucking Neesen and like a 10 or 15 million dollar budget?
The effects were pretty damned good for the time and I still enjoy watching it.
Granted it was cheesey, but I think it was meant to be pulpy and cheesey.



I think overall Raimi has disappointed me more than anything over the years. But I still think he's a hell of a filmmaker.
I think Raimi isn't afraid to take chances. He has done several different genres of film and it makes him unperdictable.
For the love of the game?
REALY????

Ajamil
9th September 09, 10:14 PM
..same with Darkman - that could have been such a cool movie, but it was just mediocre instead.

http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/images/LiamNeeson_Darkman.jpg
BURN IN HELL, DURANT!

OZZ
10th September 09, 03:33 PM
I just remember being so hyped for Darkman and going to see it on opening night..the commercials were so fuckin' cool!! Then I just remember thinking ..'fuck this is cheesy' and leaving the theatre disappointed.
In retrospect, knowing what I know now about Sam Raimi and his style of filmmaking..I would likely appreciate it more now than I did then. I have never watched it since that night in the theatre.
Maybe I should rent it tonight...
The sequel with Jeff Fahey looked really bad from what I saw of it one night on tv, but I don't think Raimi had anything to do with that one.

Ajamil
10th September 09, 10:30 PM
There were two or three sequels, actually - they all needed moar Neeson.

OZZ
23rd September 09, 09:50 PM
i know this thread is dead and buried, but i wanted to follow up on the conversation regarding Darkman..
I had trouble finding it, but I just watched it and you know what - I really enjoyed it. I guess I am watching it from a much different perspective than I did when I entered the theatre some 10 years ago (or however long it has been) , but I am glad I watched it again. Exciting, fun and good special effects for its time.
Thread derail complete!

Shawarma
24th September 09, 03:49 PM
Blade was IMO a cool movie - I loved the vampires exploding into cinders and the goth faggotry was well done.

Not as well done as in The Crow, of course, but still.

socratic
25th September 09, 05:58 AM
Never said he was the greatest - - said he was the most celebrated. In other words, his movies have recieved a lot of attention and and caused people to pay attention to things like*gasp* dialogue.. and , most importantly, he has shown that you can make a really good movie without a lot of money if the conversation is engaging enough and you have the right actors. You also just described Kevin Smith.

I'd like to see some more films by Alex Proyas. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Proyas ) He did The Crow, Dark City, I Robot and Knowing. Pretty solid (I Robot wasn't exactly amazing but it wasn't a stinking turd either... I found it quite appealing at the time, for an action flick) director all around. Should definitely have his name on The List Of Directors Who Made Shit In The 90s Who Don't Suck.

socratic
25th September 09, 06:00 AM
I think maybe really the thing that's paved the way for Marvel films is the X-men films, as crappy as they are adaption-wise. These films really got Marvel Comics and its characters visible to the movie-going audience. After that it was Iron Man, which is really the seminal film [since it was a Marvel in-house production] and now we're looking at the Avengers (:D :D :D :D :D)

Re: Inglourious Basterds; I was actually super-duper pleasantly surprised by it. I thought it was really good; I expected just a ton of blood on the screen (and I got it!) but the acting, dialogue and plot were way above my expectations. I haven't seen Jackie Brown but I'd seriously consider putting Inglourious Basterds up there with Pulp Fiction and Reservior Dogs as "The Must-See Tarantino films". I'm a little ambivilent on the Kill Bill films (I think I had expectations that were too high) but I really enjoyed this. Very very clever. 3.5/4 Stars.

Spade: The Real Snake
25th September 09, 11:41 AM
I still stick with Blade paved the way for other Marvel films.
It is the first one to actually be taken seriously and showed Marvel could equal DC.

Ajamil
25th September 09, 02:56 PM
The problem I have with Blade being the seminal Marvel flick is that too few people know that Blade was a Marvel character before the movies came out, or even after I bet you'd have a hard time finding people that connect the two.

socratic
26th September 09, 05:30 AM
I only knew Blade was a Marvel when I got the sum totality of Civil War and a Blade vs Wolverine comic (which was awesome BTW) came with it.

The X-men + Hulk everyone knew what they were about. I really liked the newer Hulk, btw, at least compared to the older Hulk movies. It wasn't even Bana's fault the Ang Lee Hulk was shit, it was Ang Lee's fault.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th September 09, 12:57 PM
The Hulk.

Hmmm.

Where do we factor The Hulk TV show into this equation?

Ajamil
26th September 09, 01:24 PM
It was a smash?

OZZ
26th September 09, 06:55 PM
The problem I have with Blade being the seminal Marvel flick is that too few people know that Blade was a Marvel character before the movies came out, or even after I bet you'd have a hard time finding people that connect the two.

Yeah, he was a fringe character before the film...I showed a collection of the old B&W Blade stories from the' Vampire Tales' magazines I have to a kid i know and he kind of sneered that it was 'a lot different than the movie'..like it was soooo sub par for today ..fucking stupid kids.

Kiko
15th September 10, 08:54 AM
Finally saw IB with the family. We loved it! And to think we used to watch Disney flicks together....

Tonuzaba
15th September 10, 05:56 PM
Great!

My kids are too small for it yet, but I'm looking forward... :-)

Also great that you've re-conquered the thread named I.B. for I.B. after all the comics stuff... :-)

Kiko
16th September 10, 07:37 PM
Gotta get Kill Bill 2 soon. Yes, my kids are both girls, btw...

Tonuzaba
17th September 10, 10:44 AM
My wife doesn't like to watch movies more than once. I am going to cry.
Back when I lived with wife, she used to fall asleep after a few minutes of any movie, so I could watch it again and again and she could never say she already saw it.

From this point of view, nothing changed: I can still watch movies as often as I like now... :-)

mrblackmagic
17th September 10, 06:59 PM
I only watch it up to the Bear-Jew scene and then I look for something else on t.v. I don't know why.

Spade: The Real Snake
17th September 10, 07:36 PM
I only watch it up to the Bear-Jew scene and then I look for something else on t.v. I don't know why.

cuz the Shoshana and Marcel characters are boring

Tonuzaba
18th September 10, 01:48 PM
I was seriously expecting more gory scenes and more detailed action of the Basterds' joyride, too.

I am weird.

But hey, when's the next time somebody's going to shoot watchable scenes of a made up Jewish payback commando?

Adouglasmhor
21st September 10, 01:28 AM
My brother got me Quel maledetto treno blindato,/Inglorious Bastards for my Birthday yesterday, he wrote "NO BRAD PITT" on the wrapper in marker.

Kein Haar
21st September 10, 01:58 AM
I liked it, for a lot of reasons, the fact that they keep the languages and only provided subtitles makes you feel like you are in there (I'm surprised how similar French and Portuguese are, hardly needed the subtitles for the French). I like the characters, they are a nice balance between serious (shoshona) and funny (the Brad Pitt and over painted Hitler). At no point the humour is too heavy to lose the drama.
And the Jew Hunter, as character and actor, awesome, worth the movie alone.

In regards of the violence, this is a difficult one, since we only "see" one scene of Nazi violence and on the other hand we have this extreme display from the "victim" side. This is debatable, but I think if fits and for the viewer who can put it in to the context it is well put.

The cinematography is good with parts of awesome (The talking shoshona during the burning cinema, the scene in the house at the beginning and the one in the bar) I almost felt it was too much to pack in the time but he did a good job.
And the playing with images/symbols is also incredible (the milk theme during the restaurant).

I say very good. The best Tarantino? I don't know, but far up there.


That's right! You would know portugese, because of your girlfriend.

Wait...where is she from again??