PDA

View Full Version : Let's Analyse PETA ads



Harpy
16th July 09, 05:30 PM
Go!

http://www.ramblinprose.com/wp-content/uploads/peta.jpg

Kiko
16th July 09, 05:32 PM
Shame the fine print isn't more prominent than the blatant crap. One thing they say that I can agree with, one of the tame reasonable things.

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 05:32 PM
You just destroyed my lust affair with DVT.

I hope you are proud of yourself. Not even despoiling by marilyn manson had done that.

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:34 PM
What is it with american soft-porn celebs and batshit insane animal rights groups ?

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:35 PM
Not even despoiling by marilyn manson had done that.

To be honest, Marliyn probably just got her to dress up as a nun and made her watch whilst he was fellated by a midget dressed in a KKK robe.

I'm pretty sure that physically she's still a virgin.

Kiko
16th July 09, 05:36 PM
What is it with american soft-porn celebs and batshit insane animal rights groups ?

The latter thinks they need to use the former to get attention.

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 05:36 PM
To be honest, Marliyn probably just got her to dress up as a nun and made her watch whilst he was fellated by a midget dressed in a KKK robe.

I've seen her as a nun. I can't really blame him.

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:39 PM
Oh, I forgot to analyse the advert.

It's a scene of a stripped down expensive hooker acting out a classroom seduction scene with a father-figure that's rendered supposedly 'tasteful' by the use of period costume and high quality photography. Playing with latent paedophile tendencies to shock and sexually provoke at the same time.

This is morally repugnant as a mass advertising campaign and Von Teese is a whore for doing it.

Way to go Peta.

Harpy
16th July 09, 05:41 PM
What? You guys tend to lambast PETA but what's wrong with this ad? It's a very relevant topic and people need to hear it. It promotes people buying their pets from shelters rather than supporting the breeding industry as well as addresses the issue of overpopulation of animals such as dogs and cats due to irresponsible breeders and owners!!!

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 05:42 PM
Oh, I forgot to analyse the advert.

It's a scene of a stripped down expensive hooker acting out a classroom seduction scene with a father-figure that's rendered supposedly 'tasteful' by the use of period costume and high quality photography. Playing with latent paedophile tendencies to shock and sexually provoke at the same time.

This is morally repugnant as a mass advertising campaign and Von Teese is a whore for doing it.

Way to go Peta.

You forgot to talk about where her foot was. Apparently animal rights fans like to stomp on mens junk with stiletto heels.

Right lily?

Zendetta
16th July 09, 05:43 PM
Great thread!

More Slutty Girls Refusing to Wear Fur, please!

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:44 PM
What? You guys tend to lambast PETA but what's wrong with this ad? It's a very relevant topic and people need to hear it. It promotes people buying their pets from shelters rather than supporting the breeding industry as well as addresses the issue of overpopulation of animals such as dogs and cats due to irresponsible breeders and owners!!!

Unfortunately, it does so using paedophile imagery, which in a way I'm thankful for because it highlights the moral vacuousness and bankruptcy of getting all upset about puppies at a time when families are being made homeless.

Harpy
16th July 09, 05:44 PM
Argh, HOG! She's just playing on her character as well as making a comment that people need to pay attention (hence the ball-stepping).

Cullion - you get a D

Kiko
16th July 09, 05:47 PM
No. PETA gets an F.

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 05:50 PM
No. PETA gets an F.

My lovemuffin get's an A as usual. PETA is not the ASPCA, who could probably get a donation out of me with this ad campaign. PETA are a bunch of hypocritical lying scumbags who burn animal shelters that destroy unwanted animals and then turn around and do the exact same thing themselves.

Harpy
16th July 09, 05:50 PM
http://www.toingks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kurdi-chicks.jpg

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:50 PM
Nobody needs to pay attention to somebody cheap enough to marry Marilyn Manson.

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:51 PM
http://www.toingks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kurdi-chicks.jpg

Why is the airhead in the photo equating 'eating meat' with 'living in a cage' ?

Has the poor educationally disadvantaged little sex toy not heard of 'freerange' ?

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 05:52 PM
Why is the airhead in the photo equating 'eating meat' with 'living in a cage' ?


That's right, you haven't been to see my basement yet, have you.

Cullion
16th July 09, 05:54 PM
You dirty old man.

Harpy
16th July 09, 05:55 PM
Unfortunately, it does so using paedophile imagery, which in a way I'm thankful for because it highlights the moral vacuousness and bankruptcy of getting all upset about puppies at a time when families are being made homeless.

You cannot be serious Cullion. PETA isn't asking the government for handouts. Yes, human families are going homeless but are you telling me that it leaves no room for compassion for animals?

You do realise that many families that no longer can afford to feed their pets (members of their family goddamit) abandon them? Therefore the PETA ad featuring Dita couldn't come at a better time.

You're such a bastard some times.

Harpy
16th July 09, 05:57 PM
Why is the airhead in the photo equating 'eating meat' with 'living in a cage' ?

Has the poor educationally disadvantaged little sex toy not heard of 'freerange' ?

Are you trolling? You know exactly what this ad stands for. Not all egss are free-range and hopefully this will make people think a little and encourage them to support a more ethical treatment of animals and hopefully drive the battery-hen industry into the ground.

Kiko
16th July 09, 05:58 PM
You want an ad that gets the point across? Try this...

Iu_JqNdp2As
And look... they're not terrorists!!

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:01 PM
Lily, these adverts are appalling.

From a pragmatic perspective, as HoG and Kiko pointed out, it really isn't even clear what Peta are trying to persuade us to do in the first advert.

Does the average Peta member actually think it's ok to castrate healthy animals to turn them into acceptable domestic toys?

If not, the second advert is even dumber.

Look, they're trying to make a stupid point by assuming the audience are stupid enough to be swayed by sexual imagery so unsubtle and dominant that it actually obscures the point they're trying to promote.

And the sexual imagery in the first picture is totally unsuitable to be viewed by children in the key influencing age for parents thinking of buying pets.

This is a retarded advertising campaign trying to sell a retarded product. Fail.

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:03 PM
Are you trolling?

No.



You know exactly what this ad stands for.

It uses the term 'vegetarian' in the advert itself. If somebody as intelligent as me is confused this stands no chance of reaching the ordinary populace.

Kiko
16th July 09, 06:03 PM
That's true. PETA doesn't advocate animals as pets, so that makes the first ad a ruse to recruit pet owners who already KNOW (or should know) about spay/neuter programs and adoption.

Zendetta
16th July 09, 06:04 PM
You know exactly what this ad stands for.

Sooo.. sexism is OK, then?

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:06 PM
You cannot be serious Cullion. PETA isn't asking the government for handouts. Yes, human families are going homeless but are you telling me that it leaves no room for compassion for animals?

I'm telling you that the people who funded these adverts must think it was the most important thing they could devote their resources to right now, which I consider to be beyond neurotic in our current circumstances.



You do realise that many families that no longer can afford to feed their pets (members of their family goddamit) abandon them? Therefore the PETA ad featuring Dita couldn't come at a better time.

That's the one with the tiny subscript under the unsubtle aging teacher/stripped schoolgirl-whore motif?



You're such a bastard some times.

I make no apologies for honesty. I own a cat from a refuge. These adverts are stupid.

Harpy
16th July 09, 06:08 PM
Cullion - okay I concede some of the points to you but you haven't exactly backed up your comment about 'the homeless'.

It just seems that PETA has gotten off on the wrong foot with some people and meat-eaters (nothing wrong with you) seem to enjoy applying their intelligence to break down any attempts by PETA to get something right. No one is forcing you to be vegetarian. If PETA somehow implies that it's 'cruel' to eat meat, you don't need to get so defensive but you might want to realise that there are many people who feel this way and they make up a significant cross-section of society in developed nations.

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:08 PM
Sooo.. sexism is OK, then?

To be fair, the ad shows Dita in a dominant position, like she's about to make that fumbling old man give her an A whether he likes it or not <mops brow>.. but that's not the point.

Harpy
16th July 09, 06:09 PM
I'm telling you that the people who funded these adverts must think it was the most important thing they could devote their resources to right now, which I consider to be beyond neurotic in our current circumstances.



That is a highly arrogant opinion Cullion but no one seems to be flaming you for it. Everyone has a different set of values and priorities. If you feel so strongly about homeless families, what are you doing to help the situation?

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 06:16 PM
It just seems that PETA has gotten off on the wrong foot with some people and meat-eaters

Yeah, by assaulting people and blowing shit up. You make it sound like we don't like PETA because they are vegetarian. Most of us are a little more bothered because they are terrorist nutbags.

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:17 PM
Cullion - okay I concede some of the points to you but you haven't exactly backed up your comment about 'the homeless'.

You've got to try and appreciate the massive gulf in perception between a person who won't eat animal flesh because they feel it's immoral and a person who happily will. In the context of being the kind of person who sees a cow or a pheasant and think 'hmm.. dinner' well funded advertising campaigns intended to tug at the heart strings (or in this case, the penis) seem like a massively neurotic demonstration of poor social priorities.


No one is forcing you to be vegetarian.

The second advert did, using a clumsy misconception of real world livestock farming juxtaposed with a sexy girl. That's like me trying to persuade you to eat meat by showing you a photograph of a pork chop hanging off a tanned, muscular firefighter's boner, titled 'devour the pork' and small print about smallholding farmer's livelihoods and how human teeth and intestines are adapted for an ominverous rather than herbivorous diet.

That would be pretty cheap and stupid, right ?

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:17 PM
That is a highly arrogant opinion Cullion but no one seems to be flaming you for it. Everyone has a different set of values and priorities. If you feel so strongly about homeless families, what are you doing to help the situation?

We can talk about that by PM if you want.

HappyOldGuy
16th July 09, 06:19 PM
He's trying to find housing for them, and putting them to sleep if he can't place them in a week.

Harpy
16th July 09, 06:31 PM
We can talk about that by PM if you want.

You know I'm only annoyed because I was going to go nude for PETA right?

Zendetta
16th July 09, 06:31 PM
To be fair, the ad shows Dita in a dominant position, like she's about to make that fumbling old man give her an A whether he likes it or not <mops brow>.. but that's not the point.

No, I meant the one that implied it was respectful of women to refer to them as "chicks".


The second advert did, using a clumsy misconception of real world livestock farming juxtaposed with a sexy girl. That's like me trying to persuade you to eat meat by showing you a photograph of a pork chop hanging off a tanned, muscular firefighter's boner, titled 'devour the pork' and small print about smallholding farmer's livelihoods and how human teeth and intestines are adapted for an ominverous rather than herbivorous diet.

That would be pretty cheap and stupid, right ?

Actually, that would be BEYOND AWESOME.


He's trying to find housing for them, and putting them to sleep if he can't place them in a week.

Don't forget the Spay and Neuter Pogrom!

Cullion
16th July 09, 06:32 PM
You know I'm only annoyed because I was going to go nude for PETA right?

I consider this an unfair tactic in debate. Besides, just think how much more greatful the homeless of your city would be.

Harpy
16th July 09, 06:38 PM
Ha! You presume too much. I'm going to support both the Homeless cause as well as the no-Fur (or animal based materials) campaign with a nude 'I'd rather go Homeless and Starve Naked than wear Fur or Eat Meat' ad.

When you get some time, PM me your response to my accusation of your arrogance.

Harpy
16th July 09, 06:44 PM
Oh...and David Boreanaz says don't chain your dogs *swoon*:

http://whatsontv.co.uk/blogs/tvspy/files/2008/07/davidboreanaz300.jpg

Steve
16th July 09, 06:58 PM
http://whatsontv.co.uk/blogs/tvspy/files/2008/07/davidboreanaz300.jpg

That is fucking terrifying:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/forstevee/WTFDOG.jpg

IT'S GOING TO EAT MY BABY!

Sometimes you should just step away from the sepia effect...

socratic
16th July 09, 10:22 PM
Cullion - okay I concede some of the points to you but you haven't exactly backed up your comment about 'the homeless'.

It just seems that PETA has gotten off on the wrong foot with some people and meat-eaters (nothing wrong with you) seem to enjoy applying their intelligence to break down any attempts by PETA to get something right. No one is forcing you to be vegetarian. If PETA somehow implies that it's 'cruel' to eat meat, you don't need to get so defensive but you might want to realise that there are many people who feel this way and they make up a significant cross-section of society in developed nations.

So you think it's okay if I tell you vegetarianism is morally bankrupt, hypocritical, unhealthy and stupid, yet expect you to not retort? Okay then. Vegetarianism is morally bankrupt, hypocritical, unhealthy and stupid, all vegetarians are stupid, and you're getting stupider the longer you are one. If you say anything in response you are being arrogant. Now I'll hire Dita Von Teese to get mostly-naked and bathe in a tub full of steak and sausages for a photoshoot with a caption about how much she loves meat. You aren't allowed to criticise this and if you do you're being unfair to the omnivore social demographic.

Doritosaurus Chex
16th July 09, 10:56 PM
They died so you could eat:

http://www.wildlifebritain.com/images/pht/wood_mouse_cr.jpg

http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/rabbit1.jpg

Wheat is Murder

http://www.freefoto.com/images/07/28/07_28_3---Combine-Harvester_web.jpg

Spade: The Real Snake
16th July 09, 11:25 PM
I'd bang Dita Von Teese with a buckskin condom.

Ajamil
17th July 09, 12:01 AM
That's true. PETA doesn't advocate animals as pets, so that makes the first ad a ruse to recruit pet owners who already KNOW (or should know) about spay/neuter programs and adoption.

This is what confused me the most. I've never heard Peta advocate spaying and neutering. Must be cause they were the British branch.


I'm telling you that the people who funded these adverts must think it was the most important thing they could devote their resources to right now, which I consider to be beyond neurotic in our current circumstances.
Can you see where I would think the two problems are interrelated, and that both are ultimately working on the same problem - empathy and sympathy - that is much harder to state on a poster or call to action for? Thus saying we should work on one and not the other is silly if people would muster more motivation and energy for one and not the other?

That said, the blatant sex is stupid.

honesty
17th July 09, 03:10 AM
Cullion - okay I concede some of the points to you but you haven't exactly backed up your comment about 'the homeless'.

It just seems that PETA has gotten off on the wrong foot with some people and meat-eaters (nothing wrong with you) seem to enjoy applying their intelligence to break down any attempts by PETA to get something right. No one is forcing you to be vegetarian. If PETA somehow implies that it's 'cruel' to eat meat, you don't need to get so defensive but you might want to realise that there are many people who feel this way and they make up a significant cross-section of society in developed nations.

Significant? Isn't only 3% of the population of modern western society vegetarian? 3% is not a significant cross section of society that think its cruel to eat meat. Its a fringe.

Virus
17th July 09, 05:14 AM
Well, it depends on how the Lilz defines "significant" but 3% is about 7 million in the US. About 7% are in England.

socratic
17th July 09, 05:34 AM
Virus, I hope you know that not only was Hilter a veggie but no Space Marine ever gets to become a Terminator on a diet of tofu meat-lookalikes.

taijiamn
17th July 09, 06:31 AM
...support a more ethical treatment of animals ...

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about game hunting? I realize that the toll on animals is much smaller, but do you think it's unethical to hunt game for food?

EuropIan
17th July 09, 06:50 AM
Virus, I hope you know that not only was Hilter a veggie but no Space Marine ever gets to become a Terminator on a diet of tofu meat-lookalikes.
1st company.

*breathes from inhaler, adjusts glasses*


Oh yeah Lily, saying PETA is misunderstood is like saying Hamas is misunderstood.

And yes that is a valid comparison.

Virus
17th July 09, 07:58 AM
They eat synthetic gruel.

EuropIan
17th July 09, 08:01 AM
^Only at the fortress monestary.

The rest of the time they can eat whatever.

Virus
17th July 09, 08:06 AM
I'm thinking of posting my recipe for synthetic gruel in NOM NOM NOM.

Ajamil
17th July 09, 08:11 AM
Virus, I hope you know that not only was Hilter a veggie but no Space Marine ever gets to become a Terminator on a diet of tofu meat-lookalikes.
Needs more Shaw.


The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.


The Devil's Disciple



When a man of normal habits is ill, everyone hastens to assure him that he is going to recover. When a vegetarian is ill (which fortunately very seldom happens), everyone assures him that he is going to die, and that they told him so, and that it serves him right. They implore him to take at least a little gravy, so as to give himself a chance of lasting out the night.


Saturday Review, May 21, 1898



... It seems to me, looking at myself, that I am a remarkably superior person, when you compare me with other writers, journalists, and dramatists; and I am perfectly content to put this down to my abstinence from meat. That is the simple and modest ground on which we should base our non-meat diet. . . ."



Henderson: So be a good fellow and tell me how you succeeded in remaining so youthful.
Shaw: I don't. I look my age; and I am my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you expect from people who eat corpses and drink spirits?


"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?"


When a man wants to murder a tiger, it's called sport; when the tiger wants to murder him it's called ferocity. - The Revolutionists Handbook




Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity; and fashion will drive them to acquire any custom. - Killing for Sport (Prefaces)




... Darwin popularized Evolution generally, as well as making his own special contribution to it. Now the general conception of Evolution provides the humanitarian with a scientific basis, because it establishes the fundamental equality of all living things. It makes the killing of an animal murder in exactly the same sense as the killing of a man is murder. is . . . this sense of the kinship of all forms of life is all that needed to make Evolution not only a conceivable theory, but an inspiring one. St Anthony was ripe for the Evolution theory when he preached to the fishes, and St Francis when he called the birds his little brothers. Our vanity, and our snobbish conception of Godhead as being, like earthly king- ship, a supreme class distinction instead of the rock on which Equality is built, has led us to insist on God offering us special terms by placing us apart from and above all the rest of his creatures. Evolution took that conceit out of us; and now, though we may kill a flea without the smallest remorse, we at all events know that we are killing our cousin. No doubt it shocks the flea when the creature that an almighty Celestial Flea created expressly for the food of fleas, destroys the jumping lord of creation with his sharp and enormous thumbnail; but no flea will ever be so foolish as to preach that in slaying fleas Man is applying a method of Natural Selection which will finally evolve a flea so swift that no man can catch him, and so hardy of onstitution that Insect Powder will have no more effect on him than strychnine on an elephant. - Preface to Back to Methuselah

Zendetta
17th July 09, 12:37 PM
Buddy of mine was vegan. Broke his foot in china. Foot wouldn't heal. Told Doctor he was vegan. Doctor was all "WTF??!??! eat some goddam eggs, you gwailo idiot!"

He ate eggs and broken foot healed fine. No longer vegan, foot is healthy.

Vegatarianism is meh, veganism is the culinary equivalent of uptight Victorian sexual morality: hating yourself for being human.

taijiamn
17th July 09, 01:01 PM
Now the general conception of Evolution provides the humanitarian with a scientific basis, because it establishes the fundamental equality of all living things. It makes the killing of an animal murder in exactly the same sense as the killing of a man is murder



Shouldn't this be the other way around? The murder of a man is the same as the killing of an animal? If animals kill each other with no special designation or punishment, and man and animal are equal in all things, wouldn't that mean there should be no punishment/guilt for killing a man, not there should be punishment/guilt for killing an animal?

Japuma
17th July 09, 02:19 PM
Mmm Mmmmmm Sweet sweet endangered Chilean Sea Bass:
http://img.timeinc.net/recipes/i/recipes/ck/01/12/sea-bass-ck-521692-l.jpg

Is it bad that when I look at this picture all I can see is savory tender veal chops?
http://liberationbc.org/files/veal.jpg

Kiko
17th July 09, 03:24 PM
*catches up on thread while eating half a roast beef wedge*

Cullion
17th July 09, 04:44 PM
I'm thinking of posting my recipe for synthetic gruel in NOM NOM NOM.

You already did. 'Tahini stew' I think you called it. But you didn't fool me.

Virus
17th July 09, 05:40 PM
Buddy of mine was vegan. Broke his foot in china. Foot wouldn't heal. Told Doctor he was vegan. Doctor was all "WTF??!??! eat some goddam eggs, you gwailo idiot!"

He ate eggs and broken foot healed fine. No longer vegan, foot is healthy.

Vegatarianism is meh, veganism is the culinary equivalent of uptight Victorian sexual morality: hating yourself for being human.

I'm afraid anecdotes aren't worth anything.

Cullion
17th July 09, 05:54 PM
I would only go vegetarian for grade AAA poontang.

Women of that class would never sleep with a man that weak willed.

Cullion
17th July 09, 06:05 PM
She'd know.

EuropIan
17th July 09, 06:09 PM
You are downplaying the power of lying when it comes to gaining access to the sacred temple?

Cullion
17th July 09, 06:14 PM
You are downplaying the power of lying when it comes to gaining access to the sacred temple?

No. I'm pointing out the flawed strategy of attempting to impress a woman by trying really hard to comply with her publicly espoused stances and opinions. You're starting from a position of submission and weakness and thereby making it all the less likely despite thinking you're being 'nice'.

And actually, you're not, you're being submissive and phoney, and the triple-A's can tell.

EuropIan
17th July 09, 06:18 PM
So lie big and not like a pussy.

Cullion
17th July 09, 06:20 PM
Look at the broader psychological dynamic this way, Ian;

Why isn't she lying to impress you ?

You don't really believe that being very, very attractive lowers a woman's sex drive do you ?

That's the centre of this gordian knot.

EuropIan
17th July 09, 06:26 PM
Look at the broader psychological dynamic this way, Ian;

1. Why isn't she lying to impress you ?

2. You don't really believe that being very, very attractive lowers a woman's sex drive do you ?

That's the centre of this gordian knot.
1. Gender and sex roles have a hand in Why the opposite is more common.

2. No, but they have more options.

Cullion
17th July 09, 06:35 PM
1. Gender and sex roles have a hand in Why the opposite is more common.

Only if you allow it.



2. No, but they have more options.

If you go in believing that you aren't good enough to be with them so you need to lie, you're getting off to the wrong start.

EuropIan
17th July 09, 06:39 PM
1. Only if you allow it.

2. If you go in believing that you aren't good enough to be with them so you need to lie, you're getting off to the wrong start.
1. I agree. I feel that inter-gender interactions has become less polarized than before

2. I am not defending the need to lie but the efficiacy of lying.

Cullion
17th July 09, 06:53 PM
1. I agree. I feel that inter-gender interactions has become less polarized than before

It's all in the mind. Part of the interaction between two prospective partners has always involved testing one another. I think an approach where you're thinking in terms of how you can appear to become more like them just makes you seem weak.



2. I am not defending the need to lie but the efficiacy of lying.

In my experience it's not that effective except for the most short term flings, and lying in a way that makes you appear submissive is usually a massive mistake even in this context.

Some of the biggest surprises I've had in terms of women I actually thought might be 'out of my league' on the classical looks/wit axis have come when they've initiated things after I've either ignored them or been friendly whilst refusing to engage with their flirtatious demeanor.

This isn't to say that 'treat em mean keep em keen' is true (well it is, but only for the ones with massive self-esteem issues), but I think the general principle of not being weak-willed holds.

You can be friendly and warm without giving off signals of weakness certainly, but setting off to construct a false impression that you share one of her interests or causes is 180 degrees in the opposite direction to this.

Basically, faux-submissive bullshit works some of the time, for a night or three, but it's probably only working on the screwed up ones. If you're going to present a false persona to pick up a psychologically damaged woman with a desirable body, you're going to have a better success rate by being an asshole.
Or just paying for it.

EuropIan
17th July 09, 07:14 PM
It's all in the mind. Part of the interaction between two prospective partners has always involved testing one another. I think an approach where you're thinking in terms of how you can appear to become more like them just makes you seem weak.


I do not hold this stance, stop forcing me to defend it.




In my experience it's not that effective except for the most short term flings, and lying in a way that makes you appear submissive is usually a massive mistake even in this context.

Some of the biggest surprises I've had in terms of women I actually thought might be 'out of my league' on the classical looks/wit axis have come when they've initiated things after I've either ignored them or been friendly whilst refusing to engage with their flirtatious demeanor.

This isn't to say that 'treat em mean keep em keen' is true (well it is, but only for the ones with massive self-esteem issues), but I think the general principle of not being weak-willed holds.

You can be friendly and warm without giving off signals of weakness certainly, but setting off to construct a false impression that you share one of her interests or causes is 180 degrees in the opposite direction to this.

Basically, faux-submissive bullshit works some of the time, for a night or three, but it's probably only working on the screwed up ones. If you're going to present a false persona to pick up a psychologically damaged woman with a desirable body, you're going to have a better success rate by being an asshole.
Or just paying for it.

I was merely espousing the value of the lie for short term gains, ie. mating and then leaving. Not for building relationships.

In regards to NoB's hypopathetical AAA Vegan Hottie, I would probably lie about something minor ("these vegan dishes are pretty good") if only to open a conversation and then talk about something else.

Cullion
17th July 09, 07:17 PM
I do not hold this stance, stop forcing me to defend it.

You always have the option of saying 'actually, you're right'.



I was merely espousing the value of the lie for short term gains, ie. mating and then leaving. Not for building relationships.

Well, the triple As are by definition mentally stable and perceptive, so even then, it's dicey.



In regards to NoB's hypopathetical AAA Vegan Hottie, I would probably lie about something minor ("these vegan dishes are pretty good") if only to open a conversation and then talk about something else.

So that's what that fucking quiche/pie thing with tomato sauce, a pastry lid and no meat in it was all about. You can tell me by PM if you want, but who were you hitting on there?

EuropIan
17th July 09, 07:24 PM
You always have the option of saying 'actually, you're right'.


That's only an option for those who can not see strawmen when they appear.




Well, the triple As are by definition mentally stable and perceptive, so even then, it's dicey.


tru dat, but the lie's I'm talking about are cute enough for you to get away with it.



So that's what that fucking quiche/pie thing with tomato sauce, a pastry lid and no meat in it was all about. You can tell me by PM if you want, but who were you hitting on there?
You're British, you can not think about pies without meat. Is it true pies were coal miner's food?

(I use that dish for IRL trawling )

Cullion
17th July 09, 07:28 PM
That's only an option for those who can not see strawmen when they appear.

Hey now, you were the one defending NoB's use of the 'I'll pretend I'm vegetarian to get a triple-A' strategy.



tru dat, but the lie's I'm talking about are cute enough for you to get away with it.

But what is she getting away with ?

I dunt believe u.



You're British, you can not think about pies without meat. Is it true pies were coal miner's food?

I think you're thinking of pasties, which were what cornish tin-miners used to take for lunch.

Kiko
17th July 09, 07:34 PM
I think you're thinking of pasties, which were what cornish tin-miners used to take for lunch.



http://www.bridalwave.tv/pasties.jpg


In the mines??? Whatever for?

EuropIan
17th July 09, 07:36 PM
Hey now, you were the one defending NoB's use of the 'I'll pretend I'm vegetarian to get a triple-A' strategy.

I was defending lying



But what is she getting away with ?

I dunt believe u.

You are too focussed on the "getting away with" and too little on the being cute part.

Cullion
17th July 09, 07:39 PM
You may be cute enough to get away with pasties now, but wait until you're my age.

Kiko
17th July 09, 07:41 PM
You must be talking to Ian....

And the trick in getting away with them has less to do with cuteness than tassel control ;)

Cullion
17th July 09, 07:42 PM
pics or gtfo!

EuropIan
17th July 09, 07:43 PM
Could you teach me Teh Re4L tassel Control?

(Kiko has won. Rep must be given.)

Kiko
17th July 09, 07:46 PM
Believe it or not, it's mostly in the shoulders.

Pics? Use your imaginations or STFU!

EuropIan
17th July 09, 07:47 PM
Believe it or not, it's mostly in the shoulders.

Pics? Use your imaginations or STFU!
Awesome! Now I can manipulate 2 genders!

Kiko
17th July 09, 07:49 PM
Awesome! Now I can manipulate 2 genders!

These?
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/gallery/couples2004/14barbie.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist!

EuropIan
17th July 09, 07:52 PM
Neutral genders still elude me.

socratic
18th July 09, 05:18 AM
Buddy of mine was vegan. Broke his foot in china. Foot wouldn't heal. Told Doctor he was vegan. Doctor was all "WTF??!??! eat some goddam eggs, you gwailo idiot!"

He ate eggs and broken foot healed fine. No longer vegan, foot is healthy.

Vegatarianism is meh, veganism is the culinary equivalent of uptight Victorian sexual morality: hating yourself for being human.

Which is funny because China has a long history of religious vegetarianism. That said trying to find a vegetarian meal in China is harder than you'd think. The best spot was probably Xi'an, in the Muslim quarter of all places.


I'm afraid anecdotes aren't worth anything.

Neither are vegetarians. :D

Cullion
18th July 09, 08:38 AM
Which is funny because China has a long history of religious vegetarianism. That said trying to find a vegetarian meal in China is harder than you'd think. The best spot was probably Xi'an, in the Muslim quarter of all places.

Vegetarians can eat eggs. It's vegans like his friend who can't.

Ajamil
18th July 09, 10:04 AM
We have discovered that there are more subgroups than just vegetarians and vegans. Joy.

EuropIan
18th July 09, 10:13 AM
There are also "vegetarians"(snicker) who eat fish.

Cullion
18th July 09, 10:20 AM
They call themselves pescatarians here. I know three, they do it because they think it's healthier (they're women who think it helps them not get fat), not because of any emotional objection to killing animals.

socratic
19th July 09, 03:44 AM
They call themselves pescatarians here. I know three, they do it because they think it's healthier (they're women who think it helps them not get fat), not because of any emotional objection to killing animals.

That's because morals are for fucking pussies and communists.

Kiko
19th July 09, 05:29 AM
But but... Fish are animalz!! I bet they all live in FISHKILL!

socratic
19th July 09, 05:32 AM
But but... Fish are animalz!! I bet they all live in FISHKILL!

Not anymore, Fishkill got overfished.

DAYoung
19th July 09, 06:42 AM
By the way, thanks for the birthday photos, Kiko.

Great tassels. Very impressive control. And I approve heartily of your new haircut.

socratic
19th July 09, 06:55 AM
By the way, thanks for the birthday photos, Kiko.

Great tassels. Very impressive control. And I approve heartily of your new haircut.

I'm telling your wife.

DAYoung
19th July 09, 06:59 AM
I'm telling your wife.

Why tell my wife that Kiko had a haircut?

Are you saying something's wrong with my wife's haircut?

WHY ARE YOU INSULTING MY WIFE?

Kiko
19th July 09, 07:17 AM
*winks at DAY* Any time, Birthday Boy!

socratic
19th July 09, 07:29 AM
Why tell my wife that Kiko had a haircut?

Are you saying something's wrong with my wife's haircut?

WHY ARE YOU INSULTING MY WIFE?

Goddamn, get your wife some scissors or something.

I'm insulting your broad because that's how I roll, homie.

Kein Haar
19th July 09, 09:51 AM
I think you're thinking of pasties, which were what cornish tin-miners used to take for lunch.

Also an export to the U.S. peculiar to the copper miners of Wisconsin and Michigan.

Cullion
19th July 09, 09:56 AM
Were many of them descended from Cornish immigrants ?

Kein Haar
19th July 09, 10:02 AM
Area is actually known for Scandinavians (Finns in particular) follwed closely by Germans.

Though now that I look....

Here ya go...Cornish.

http://books.google.com/books?id=4iCQ6sPTikwC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=copper+mine+michigan+cornish&source=bl&ots=IXvxEppN1g&sig=waZAkR_cWjlR6vzwiLXfnOSL2Oc&hl=en&ei=vTVjSuveOOK_tgf7jsH2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2

Cullion
19th July 09, 10:41 AM
Do they have superstitions about leaving the crust behind for the 'knockers' ?

I think you call them Tommy Knockers in the US.

Kein Haar
19th July 09, 10:51 AM
Apparently. But this is the first I've heard of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker_(folklore)

Ajamil
19th July 09, 01:04 PM
That's a real superstition? I thought King made it up - too much credit given.

honesty
19th July 09, 03:40 PM
There was also the other reason for leaving the crust, it was the but they held, so got impregnated with all the nasty shit from mining from off their hands.

Harpy
19th July 09, 11:49 PM
North Carolina woman buys and rescues 5-legged puppy from a New York freak show manager:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/839387/five-legged-dog-saved-from-freak-show

She has renamed the puppy 'Lilly' and it is scheduled to have surgery to remove the extra leg this month.

FriendlyFire
20th July 09, 12:39 AM
She has renamed the puppy 'Lilly' and it is scheduled to have surgery to remove the extra leg this month.
That is extremely offensive, like fixing someone because they are 'gay' or 'black'. Moltov her house please.

socratic
20th July 09, 12:47 AM
That is extremely offensive, like fixing someone because they are 'gay' or 'black'. Moltov her house please.

Molotov? What, now you hate slavs too? The fuck is wrong with you!?

Spade: The Real Snake
20th July 09, 10:17 AM
North Carolina woman buys and rescues 5-legged puppy from a New York freak show manager:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/839387/five-legged-dog-saved-from-freak-show

She has renamed the puppy 'Lilly' and it is scheduled to have surgery to remove the extra leg this month.

That was a male puppy and it looks like that dog's "Fifth Leg" will be going the way of your "Third Leg"....eh Lily?

Kiko
20th July 09, 06:45 PM
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-peta-protester-leather-birkenstocks.jpg?w=354&h=304

Darkenedaqua
21st July 09, 02:57 AM
Didn't PETA also say that it's better to drink beer than milk?

danniboi07
27th July 09, 01:57 PM
Yeah, by assaulting people and blowing shit up. You make it sound like we don't like PETA because they are vegetarian. Most of us are a little more bothered because they are terrorist nutbags.

Nah, the ALF are terrorists. PETA simply supports them financially. Perhaps in more ways.


At any rate, in a sad sorry attempt to get this thread back on topic I found that image googling "PETA Ads" yields way too many pages of NSFW ads. Occasionaly Paul McCartney would pop up, but this thread ain't worth the office awkwardness.