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Cullion
28th March 09, 09:48 PM
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The first thing that struck me about this video was 'failure of leadership'.

The police chief involved in firing him is talking about 'respecting him as a person'. To my mind he clearly didn't. If he respected him, he would have had a face to face talk about physical fitness many, many years ago.

And if he really respected him, as his superior, he would've gone along with him and motivated him (or got a superior lower down the chain, who was known to have a good attitude to PT) until he saw some good habits taking hold.

He would have told him he needed to cut down on the cola and donuts, and get his ass to some kind of sport a couple of times a week. I do not believe this guy ballooned to that state of physical corpulence in a matter of months, or even a couple of years.


As it was, it seems like this guy made it through whatever academy, was apparently considered a good cop for some years, and everybody around him just sorta turned a blind eye to the fact that he was morphing into a very, very obese version of his former self. This just seems like a massive, massive failure of leadership.

What I've read about SFG's experience of his police academy suggests that such deterioration is anathema to the culture of his state/local police department.

Your thoughts pls.

GuiltySpark
28th March 09, 10:12 PM
If he respected him, he would have had a face to face talk about physical fitness many, many years ago.
How do you know he didn't?


And if he really respected him, as his superior, he would've gone along with him and motivated him (or got a superior lower down the chain, who was known to have a good attitude to PT) until he saw some good habits taking hold
Yes and know. The man wasn't an 18year old police recruit, he's an adult.
I agree that a leader must 'lead from the front' and lead by example but police officers are professionals. They shouldn't have to have their hand held. The catian should say you're out of shape, improve your physical fitness or face disciplinary action.
The police force may be understaffed and can't affored to take another police officer just to act as a running coach, the cop should take it on himself to fix his condition.

You can't tell if the captian had any private conversations with him, if any of his team leaders or peers had conversations with him either. The obese cop could have been told to loose weight and basically said ya whatever I'll lawyer up good luck firing me. Hard to tell the history behind the story.

Ka-Bar
28th March 09, 10:42 PM
Being a good cop has much less to do with physical condition than you'd expect. Most of your time is spent dealing with citizens and doing paperwork. Being street smart, observant, a good psychologist, organized, knowledgeable about laws and muni codes, a good report writer and professional are the most important things.

Trouble is, when shit hits the fan, all that other stuff goes out the window and being in good physical condition is the most important thing in the world next to marksmanship and tactics.

CoffeeFan
28th March 09, 11:15 PM
I don't mind a cop whose a bit on the portly side but that guy was huge He could barely stand!

Spade: The Real Snake
28th March 09, 11:19 PM
The local department has a physical fitness exam for testing to be assigned to the academy for recruits, but no ongoing fitness requirements.

The exam does not have an age or gender sliding scale, all recruits are judged equally on a weighted time/point system, but one the oral boards are completed, and officers are assigned and graduate from the academy, the requirement seems to lapse.

The department has discussed instituting ongoing fitness level requirements, but tends to get resistance from the rank and file.

HappyOldGuy
28th March 09, 11:28 PM
If this was a new policy, then they should have given the guy a chance to lose the weight, but other than that, I'm lacking in empathy.

jubei33
28th March 09, 11:35 PM
I thought he was going to eat that baby. Slap some mustard, two slices of bread...mMmMm chef boyardee never had it so good.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th March 09, 11:38 PM
I liked how you kinda dangled the baby at 1:20 with one hand while using to other
haul ham off the ground.

bob
28th March 09, 11:41 PM
The local department has a physical fitness exam for testing to be assigned to the academy for recruits, but no ongoing fitness requirements.

The exam does not have an age or gender sliding scale, all recruits are judged equally on a weighted time/point system, but one the oral boards are completed, and officers are assigned and graduate from the academy, the requirement seems to lapse.

The department has discussed instituting ongoing fitness level requirements, but tends to get resistance from the rank and file.

This is the essential point. Plenty of jobs use the fitness requirement mainly as a filter because they get so many applications. If they were half way serious they'd have regular re-tests.

Also, I'm betting John Candy there had disciplinary problems extending beyond his taco intake.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th March 09, 11:51 PM
This is the essential point. Plenty of jobs use the fitness requirement mainly as a filter because they get so many applications. If they were half way serious they'd have regular re-tests.

Easily half of them don't pass the written, so they never get to the PT.

Half don't accumulate the necessary points to allow for the oral boards.

After the oral boards, the board determines the best candidate<s> to send to the academy.


Also, I'm betting John Candy there had disciplinary problems extending beyond his taco intake

Probably, but I think that would have come out.
It would be easier to get a mutual agreement for disciplinary actions then the obvious:
YOU TOO FAT!

Kein Haar
29th March 09, 06:43 AM
It's dick-heads like him who force departments to create policies, where there once was common-sense understanding of proper behavior.

We have one such asshole. There are multiple "Chris clauses". Things we used to do with the understanding that it could only be tolerated to a restrained and disciplined degree....then he goes and takes advantage of the leniency and fucks it up for everyone.

Fuck fatty. That's the kind of dude who'll go and make life more difficult for the portly, but functional, guys because now, NOW, there's a CRACK-DOWN on fitness....where there used to be the unwritten understanding: "Don't become an embarassing fat-ass both for yourself and our collective reputation."

mrm1775
29th March 09, 03:30 PM
The local department has a physical fitness exam for testing to be assigned to the academy for recruits, but no ongoing fitness requirements.

The exam does not have an age or gender sliding scale, all recruits are judged equally on a weighted time/point system, but one the oral boards are completed, and officers are assigned and graduate from the academy, the requirement seems to lapse.

The department has discussed instituting ongoing fitness level requirements, but tends to get resistance from the rank and file.Ours has ongoing fitness standards. They aren't very high, but everyone regardless of gender or age has to meet them.

Cullion
29th March 09, 03:46 PM
GuiltySpark raises an excellent point. It simply hadn't occurred to me that somebody in a job with basic fitness standards, when politely talked to by their boss at the point where they're going past 'portly' or 'husky' into 'has trouble getting up from the toilet unassisted' simply reacts by saying 'ah fuck you, I'll get legal over this'.

Of course, I do think this officer should be discharged. I take the point that police officers, except maybe officers involved in SWAT team work or things like that, don't need to be highly atheletic to do their job well, but they still have to be able run after and restrain people as part of their job.

It just puzzles me that this local police department didn't have some kind of simple annual fitness test to catch this early. Corrective discipline works better the earlier it is applied.

SFGOON
29th March 09, 04:00 PM
My department has a $6,000 annual bonus for those who can perform basic calisthenics on par with a guy who "works out" every other week at 24 Hour Fitness and can jog a six minute mile pace for more than 15 minutes.

Police are typically heavily unionized and firing people seems to be pretty hard.

But - fatty there? He's just collecting a paycheck. If he sits down, I promise you he falls the fuck asleep. Sleep apnea and an inability to fuel his massive corpse with sufficent oxygen in the sitting position make him virtually worthless.

I bet he's got a nice little hidey-hole where he goes during his shift to nap in his car. Imagine getting in a fight and needing backup when you realize - oh fuck, it's Parent.

Better hope he can get there fast enough to sit on the fucker. Or that he's hungry enough to eat him - if he even wakes up for the call.


STFU n00b.

I know, I know.

Spade: The Real Snake
29th March 09, 04:20 PM
Ours has ongoing fitness standards. They aren't very high, but everyone regardless of gender or age has to meet them.

They fuck and fart around with the concept, usually when testing for new recruits is scheduled, but the concept is either ignored and nobody shows, or it dies a painful death within a month.

I would say about half of the officers can pass the same test as the recruits, and half could not.

HappyOldGuy
29th March 09, 04:26 PM
can jog a six minute mile pace for more than 15 minutes.


That's not trivial.

Cullion
29th March 09, 05:02 PM
Yeah, I caught that too. A 6 minute mile pace for 9 minutes gets you into training for the Parachute Regiment in the UK as a reasonably atheletic 18 year old male. Are you sure you weren't talking kilometers or meaning a 9 minute mile pace?

A 9 minute pace is a healthy jog that isn't quite good enough for any branch of the UK regular army except for some rear-echelon stuff, or leaders in their 40s and beyond who aren't expected to be humping gear up and down hills and sprinting around in the front line.

If your figures are right, that's a fucking serious police department if they're expecting guys in their 30s and 40s to be able to make it. It's certainly not a jog.

Cullion
29th March 09, 05:08 PM
BTW HOG, I was wrong about our BMI standards in that other thread where you called me on it. It's 25, and over 25 means you get a brief bodyfat exam and as long as your bodyfat percentage isn't past the boundary where they think you're just so unatheletic that the physical test might hurt you and get them sued, then you just take the running/pushups/situps test and have to pass by the usual standards.

SFGOON
29th March 09, 06:44 PM
I meant a ten minute mile pace - six miles per hour. Durrrdurrrrrdurrr.


STFU n00b

I know, I know.

Equipoise
29th March 09, 08:37 PM
What's earned him the discharge is not being able to perform the duties of an officer. This guy is going to claim the EEOC discrimination aspect however he's going to have to demonstrate a thyroid or other such medical condition for that to stick. Furthermore, employers have to make a reasonable attempt to accommodate those with a disability, they do not however have to create a new position or compromise their business to do so.

Two other issues are the firearms safety violations and inability to qualify.

Fat officers are worthless and they do get hammered. An officer doesn't have to be SWAT/CST material but that video is ridiculous.

To the OP, how is this the brass' fault? That's ridiculous.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
29th March 09, 11:51 PM
due to new regulations police uniforms will no longer be available in sizes above XL.

mrm1775
30th March 09, 01:11 AM
due to new regulations police uniforms will no longer be available in sizes above XL.
I know some Samoan cops who are in great shape and wear an XXL.

Do they get an exemption?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
30th March 09, 01:13 AM
That's stupid, Samoans don't wear the same clothes as people. You think I'd fit into a leprechaun's XL? Don't answer that question.

mrm1775
30th March 09, 01:47 AM
That's stupid, Samoans don't wear the same clothes as people. You think I'd fit into a leprechaun's XL? Don't answer that question.
So, what is your username on Stormfront, anyway?:hitlerdance:

WarPhalange
30th March 09, 01:55 AM
I've never seen a Samoan who couldn't kick my ass, and then eat it afterwards.

Spade: The Real Snake
30th March 09, 08:04 AM
I've never seen a Samoan who couldn't kick my ass, and then eat it afterwards.

Faggot, this isn't a gay Samoan date site.

If you want your salad tossed with a little poi, go try another site.

Shawarma
30th March 09, 08:24 AM
Shut up Snake, posting things like "Samoan gay dating" is bound to make our googleads adverts overflow with islander assramming.

Neildo
30th March 09, 08:51 AM
actually i think you guys broke it

http://neildato.googlepages.com/Screenshot.png

nothing at all!

Spade: The Real Snake
30th March 09, 09:31 AM
Shut up Snake, posting things like "Samoan gay dating" is bound to make our googleads adverts overflow with islander assramming.

Blame the Salad Tossing Poops.

this is what I got:
http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CI7M8qaBioWTexDYBRhPMghu1nLJ4jbB8w

WarPhalange
30th March 09, 06:46 PM
actually i think you guys broke it

http://neildato.googlepages.com/Screenshot.png

nothing at all!

You were looking for license plate porn?

Neildo
30th March 09, 06:50 PM
for that thread the french guy started in the DMV about funny licence plates. i had seen a picture of that plate before but didn't save it and couldn't find it. there's a bunch of hilarious license plates from europe that i've seen too but found nothing. so disappointed.

there's that funny picture of that nigerian with the NSX scam that got the registration number 'ID-10t' but couldn't find the other one. would have been funny.

also, that search yielded no weird results at all. i was surprised.

still no ad up there either. i think the weirder our topics get, the harder it is for googleads to find new stuff.

Wounded Ronin
30th March 09, 07:18 PM
I bet he's got a nice little hidey-hole where he goes during his shift to nap in his car. Imagine getting in a fight and needing backup when you realize - oh fuck, it's Parent.



Holy fuck, what a thought.

Did you ever watch those old Western films where sometimes when the cowboys get into firefights with indians or bandits, they create some improvised cover by having their horse lie down, and then they bench their rifles on the horse while using the horse belly as cover?

Dark Helmet
30th March 09, 08:44 PM
for that thread the french guy started in the DMV about funny licence plates. i had seen a picture of that plate before but didn't save it and couldn't find it. there's a bunch of hilarious license plates from europe that i've seen too but found nothing. so disappointed.


Fuck you! I'm not french!

Ka-Bar
30th March 09, 09:01 PM
You were looking for license plate porn?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3400576292_1e256442b5.jpg

Neildo
30th March 09, 09:20 PM
Fuck you! I'm not french!

haha i used to work with a bunch of guys from montreal and i always imagine your posts with a montreal accent. it's great.

Dark Helmet
30th March 09, 09:39 PM
f_dip2dBbgw

Neildo
30th March 09, 10:13 PM
oui, exactement

GuiltySpark
3rd April 09, 11:56 AM
GuiltySpark raises an excellent point. It simply hadn't occurred to me that somebody in a job with basic fitness standards, when politely talked to by their boss at the point where they're going past 'portly' or 'husky' into 'has trouble getting up from the toilet unassisted' simply reacts by saying 'ah fuck you, I'll get legal over this'.

You would not believe the amount of paperwork, red tape and bullshit management has to go through at times to discipline (or get rid of) someone for physical fitness reasons.
Even in the military which is probably one of thee most physically demanding jobs, it's fucking hard to punt people for shit like that. I've seen a female recruit smashing a kevlar helmet off of her knee becase she didn't like running and wanted to go home. I've caught another recruit stuffing her face FULL of chocolate bars to make herself sicso she she wouldnt have to work out. People intentionally hurting themselves. People faking injuries only to go out ancing at the bar at night.

You would think if you caught a member of X organization going to the hospital getting a note saying they can't work for a week because of an injury then catching them dancing at a bar or doing gymnastics you would have good grouns to fire them.
Nope.

When someone is smart enough to learn about 'the system' they can find all kinds of loop holes and back doors out of tting in shit, it's incredable. There are people out there that get away with absolutely crazy shit because the system is geared towards protecting their human rights at the cost of reason and common sense.

In 95% of my experience the major offenders are female.

Equipoise
4th April 09, 09:36 AM
We have lots of guys that'll call out sick thereby screwing the rest of the platoon. I can't stand that crap. Then they come back the next tour and look perfectly normal. These are also the same sandbagging individuals who manage to stop two cars a month and might have an arrest to put on their monthly stat sheets.

Cullion
4th April 09, 10:30 AM
'Platoon'? 'Tour'?

You're a cop, right?

I think you want to be in the military. Why don't you join the reserves or something like that ?

Equipoise
4th April 09, 07:33 PM
'Platoon'? 'Tour'?

You're a cop, right?

I think you want to be in the military. Why don't you join the reserves or something like that ?

You forget to realize that the police fashioned after the military. So we do use tours of duty and platoons as descriptors. We also have Corporals, Sargents, Lieutenants and so forth.

SFGOON
4th April 09, 08:27 PM
That's funny, in the Army we had sergeants. Why do you have fish as your supervisors?

Wounded Ronin
4th April 09, 10:04 PM
In 95% of my experience the major offenders are female.

So if the hardcore females aren't in the military, then where the hell are they?

GuiltySpark
4th April 09, 10:33 PM
So if the hardcore females aren't in the military, then where the hell are they?

I'm not sure. I'm just saying in my experience 95% of the soliders I've seen either faking injuries or trying to get out of work/physical tasks have been female.

Equipoise
5th April 09, 10:18 AM
That's funny, in the Army we had sergeants. Why do you have fish as your supervisors?

Blame the automatic spell check for that.

Kein Haar
5th April 09, 01:36 PM
He's a guinea greaseball. He was thinking Sargento cheese.

Cullion
5th April 09, 02:17 PM
That's racist.

Equipoise
5th April 09, 02:40 PM
Don't you mean "culturalist" ? I mean I guess I could fill in the "other" block on standardized forms.

Sargento cheese sucks. It always has this waxy taste to it.

HappyOldGuy
5th April 09, 03:34 PM
Sargento cheese sucks. It always has this waxy taste to it.

Thank you. Any guinea eating sargento is probably putting it white bread with mayoniase.

Spade: The Real Snake
6th April 09, 10:11 AM
That's racist.
That is like the summoning card for TheLordHumongous

GuiltySpark
6th April 09, 10:43 AM
That is like the summoning card for TheLordHumongous

LOL

Cullion
6th April 09, 02:13 PM
Don't you mean "culturalist" ? I mean I guess I could fill in the "other" block on standardized forms.

No, I meant racist. Everybody knows that guineas aren't really whi..

I mean, yeah, I see what you mean.