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Phrost
26th March 09, 07:03 PM
I'll start:

A progressive tax isn't such a bad thing and the argument that the wealthy benefit most from a stable society is pretty accurate.

Truculent Sheep
26th March 09, 07:05 PM
The public aren't always complete fucking morons and can sometimes be correct.

Zendetta
26th March 09, 07:07 PM
I'm game:

"Equality" is a metaphysical idea.

-and-

we do need ways to keep Guns out of the hands of people crazier than myself.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th March 09, 07:17 PM
The concept of the legalization of domestic partnerships can only serve to stabilize many situations currently ignored by common law and can create opportunities for growth within the private sector, such as health care, now currently being funded by the government.

Zendetta
26th March 09, 07:28 PM
Planning to minister Gay Weddings, arn't you, Reverend Plissken?

elipson
26th March 09, 07:30 PM
The "meritocratic" aspect of capitalism is subverted by certain personal freedoms, such as the freedom to bestow unearned wealth/power/influence on the children of people who genuinely worked hard to get what they have in life.

Absolute personal freedom therefore distorts any attempt at an ideal capitalist society in which we all live the life we deserve.

Therefore, any society must make a choice between personal freedom and acheiving a genuine capitalist system based on meritocracy.

(and I lean towards the freedom side of this question)

Cullion
26th March 09, 07:39 PM
However stupid or lazy a person might be, I still don't want them to starve to death.

I can be a 'tard too, but I was blessed with very kindly and responsible parents, a decent memory and modest knack for mathematical/scientific puzzle solving that has meant I've been gainfully employed most of my adult life. I grew up in a rural blue collar community where I've seen many, many examples of people being unemployed through no fault of their own given the social contacts and talents they were born with. People being unemployed through endemic idleness was something I only encountered in adulthood when living in the shitty parts of big cities.

An awful lot of my Libertarianism is directed upwards rather than downwards. Stuff like this bailout makes me much, much angrier than any sly petty crime or welfare fraud I see from people at the bottom of the pile.

I think I'm mostly politically motivated by trying to protect ordinary people from what I see as slick and well-connected criminals, rather than being angry with the everyday laziness and stupidity we all get frustrated by (and I know I'm capable of myself).

WarPhalange
26th March 09, 09:22 PM
Government is usually much less efficient than the free market (i.e. the Free Market isn't that evil). For example, bail-out fever has people going "WTF" while CEO's still take our money from us.

HappyOldGuy
26th March 09, 09:54 PM
I don't really have an ideology so much, so I'll say.

Barack is off to an extremely mediocre start.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th March 09, 10:15 PM
Planning to minister Gay Weddings, arn't you, Reverend Plissken?
Did you finally propose to NOB?

Zendetta
26th March 09, 10:18 PM
I have some NOB related propositions, but they relate more to funerals than to weddings.

Spade: The Real Snake
26th March 09, 11:00 PM
I must spread some things around first.

3moose1
26th March 09, 11:21 PM
I don't really have an ideology so much, so I'll say.

Barack is off to an extremely mediocre start.

Agreed on all counts. For the prodigal son, he's less prodigal, and more...20 year old still living in his mom's basement. Goes to school and has a job...but is still in his mom's basement.

Also, I don't give a flying fuck if gay people want to get married. I really, truly do not. I don't give it any thought, at all.

rw4th
26th March 09, 11:39 PM
I like my socialized medicine.

nihilist
26th March 09, 11:47 PM
I think the nine billion dollars spent annually on prosecuting and incarcerating marijuana offenses/offenders is a good use of my tax dollars.

DAYoung
27th March 09, 02:05 AM
You cannot derive an 'ought' from an 'is'. There is always an 'if' involved (e.g. 'If you want X...', 'If you care about Y...', 'If you value Z...').

Put another way, there is no great metaphysical anchor for the ship of state or polis.

Sun Wukong
27th March 09, 02:08 AM
I believe in both the death penalty and the expeditious use of corporal punishment.

bob
27th March 09, 03:44 AM
I believe in both the death penalty and the expeditious use of corporal punishment.

I support the death penalty in theory but oppose it because I don't trust anyone to implement it.

I admit that a disturbing proportion of environmentalists are sheep with borderline personality disorders.

I have a sneaking respect for Brock Lesnar.

DAYoung
27th March 09, 03:50 AM
With the exception of the Classical Athenian polis, the majority of the civilisations or states I esteem are capitalist.

WarPhalange
27th March 09, 03:54 AM
My views on the death penalty (henceforth referred to as "DP" hurr hurr) have changed a lot over the years. Right now, I think that it would only be worth while if it were administered efficiently, i.e. no waiting 30 years because of appeals. This, of course, would violate the Constitution and hell, it's happened in the past that people turned out to be innocent. So it's just irresponsible to kill someone off like that.

On the other hand, I would much rather take the death penalty than live in prison forever. Actually, I think that if I got so much as 5 years or more, I'd rather just off myself. I'd go insane living in a cage, even if I went to a fairly mellow prison, without the raving murderers. And I'd definitely rather die than do life in prison. So, I'd like to have that option on the table at least. Hanging myself by my underwear isn't easy, and pissing off the biggest guy I can find only guarantees incomprehensible pain, not death.

bob
27th March 09, 03:59 AM
I'd go insane living in a cage, even if I went to a fairly mellow prison, without the raving murderers.

This from a guy who never leaves his bedroom.

Robot Jesus
27th March 09, 04:47 AM
I'm not really sold on the idea of legalizeing meth and heroin; yes people should be free to live their own lives, but the argument could be made that after that first hit they are no longer free.

I would like to see some accurate numbers on addiction rates, but that will never happen.

Steve
27th March 09, 05:06 AM
I wish I really cared. International and even national politics are boring.

Edited for caveat: A civil war or a war on US soil would be something.

Sun Wukong
27th March 09, 05:36 AM
I believe in the power of hybrid government, and would like to see the electoral college disbanded in favor of election by popular vote.

I enjoy target shooting very much and still have nearly every single piece of military paraphernalia and uniform from my term in the US Army (except my ID tags and warm weather BDU hat).

I feel the tax burden of every day citizens is too high.

I really really like playing the stock market daily and enjoy CNBC despite the underlying political rhetoric. If a day goes by when I don't make a stock transaction, I feel like I missed out though I really hate gambling.

In Louisiana I rarely voted for local Democrat politicians because I felt most of them (the Dem. politico's in Louisiana) were too dishonest to trust.

I wish Micheal Moore wasn't on my team.

I admire Henry Kissinger and wish he was on my team.

bob
27th March 09, 05:53 AM
Maybe you should try batting for the other team?

Sun Wukong
27th March 09, 05:56 AM
Maybe you should try batting for the other team?

Currently, not a chance in hell.

jkdbuck76
27th March 09, 07:00 AM
Not everybody should own a gun.

Our family was on social security when I was young....stepdad died and left Mom with 4 kids. It helped out well.

But as I get older, I get angrier and angrier about Social Security because I really think despite all the money we dump into it, it will not be there when we get old.

kracker
27th March 09, 09:35 AM
A number of cops aren't assholes who abuse their power

While I mostly agree with him, Alex Jones can sometimes come off as a raving lunatic even to me.

EuropIan
27th March 09, 10:34 AM
More people should own guns where I live.

Zendetta
27th March 09, 11:27 AM
I think Rachel Maddow is strangely hot.

I also share Ketchen's admiration for Kissinger. I deeply admire Vladimir Putin and sorta wish he was my dictator instead of, you know, Smiley Smartguy.

Maybe we would be better off being ruled by an enlightened aristocracy than by the lowest common denominator of the hoi polloi, ie "democracy".

nihilist
27th March 09, 11:59 AM
I would hit Maddow in a New York minute.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th March 09, 12:02 PM
I would hit Maddow in a New York minute.
Hit as in punch, yes.

Hit as in dip wick, no.

HappyOldGuy
27th March 09, 12:06 PM
Hit as in punch, yes.

Hit as in dip wick, no.

It is against my political ideology to refuse to share my man love with members of the lesbian gender.

But I think I could make an exception for her.

nihilist
27th March 09, 12:31 PM
I have a thing for tomboys.

It's a character flaw.

Kein Haar
27th March 09, 12:32 PM
This from a guy who never leaves his bedroom.

I lafft out lowd for reelz.

KO'd N DOA
27th March 09, 12:36 PM
My career and life's work is in the field of sustainable development...even though I increasingly vomit inside my mouth when I am obligated to give it lip service in order to collect my pay, keep Mrs KO happy, Bank, Tithe, and go back to work on Monday.

I guess I have a job as an actor...

mrblackmagic
27th March 09, 03:31 PM
Federal money for schools and public works. Let's be realistic the local govs and to a greater extent, people aren't going to look after themselves.

elipson
27th March 09, 04:37 PM
The burned hand teaches best.

Sometimes compassion requires letting people hurt themselves so they stop doing it in the future. This is both unfortunate and necessary.

Shawarma
27th March 09, 07:33 PM
I'm do not consider myself a racial bigot but I've fucking hated every Gypsy I've met.

I do not consider myself a hater of Muslims but a good 1/3rd of Muslims I meet happen to be total asshats.

I'm in favour of law enforcement - except when it applies to me, personally.

I am not in favour of an ultra free market society but I have little understanding of economics to base my opinion on.

Owning a gun for self defense is completely understandable, depending on how shitty your neighbourhood is.

I've been to worse places than Britain.

Cullion
28th March 09, 07:25 AM
I admire Henry Kissinger and wish he was on my team.

Is he really on a team ?

Arhetton
28th March 09, 10:47 AM
stupid people might have a place in modern society.

FickleFingerOfFate
28th March 09, 11:01 AM
I believe that American adolescents are needy, self-righteous, and suffer from a delusion of entitlement.

Most of the problem children I am familiar with, would have benefitted greatly from a modest amount of corporal punishment while in their formative years,

or, an epic asskicking now.

My 12 year old son has no knowledge or evidence of my feelings on this, and,

hopefully,

never will.

Shawarma
28th March 09, 11:17 AM
You're a horrible father. Quick, take the belt to him NOW before he grows up and can kick your feeble old ass!

Cullion
28th March 09, 11:25 AM
My 12 year old son has no knowledge or evidence of my feelings on this, and,

hopefully,

never will.

Why?

HappyOldGuy
28th March 09, 11:28 AM
You're a horrible father. Quick, take the belt to him NOW before he grows up and can kick your feeble old ass!

FFS has that covered.

He enrolled his son in chun classes.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th March 09, 11:34 AM
He enrolled his son in chun classes.

So FFF =/= FickleFingerofFate
FFF= FoomFoomFoom?

theotherserge
28th March 09, 12:14 PM
erm, goddamn your eyes! idiots. I came here to try and avoid more godforsaken Chunnery discussions.

ergo, to the thread: think we should all speak Esperanto.

HappyOldGuy
28th March 09, 12:16 PM
erm, goddamn your eyes! idiots. I came here to try and avoid more godforsaken Chunnery discussions.

ergo, to the thread: think we should all speak Esperanto.

I love it when an innocent bystander stumbles into a punch.

*foom* *foom* *foom*

Spade: The Real Snake
28th March 09, 12:35 PM
Back away from theother +foom+foom+foom+theotherserge, sir
*FOOOOOM*FOOOOOOOM*FOOOOOooooOOOOOooOOOOOM*

Shawarma
28th March 09, 12:39 PM
Also: I realise that the threat of the death penalty isn't much of a deterrent for criminals. I still like it.

theotherserge
28th March 09, 01:11 PM
Also: I realise that the threat of the death penalty isn't much of a deterrent for criminals. I still like it.
Especially if we kill the Chunners

FickleFingerOfFate
28th March 09, 01:37 PM
Why?

I would like to think I can raise him with a set of values that will allow him to reach a state of independance without having to explore the punitive options.

Not that he doesn't piss me off from time to time, but not at the level that requires more than simple consequences (no TV / PS3 / electronics for the weekend).

I believe that children who reach the "I need a beatdown" stage, were not penalized properly for the lesser offences, thereby escalating the improper behavior to unmanagable levels.

I don't claim to have all of the answers. I am fumbling my way through it as I go.

FickleFingerOfFate
28th March 09, 01:39 PM
FFS has that covered.

He enrolled his son in chun classes.

No,

he did Karate for 2 years, and now is on the Jr. High Wrestling team.



Kiai, Bitches!

Cullion
28th March 09, 02:41 PM
I would like to think I can raise him with a set of values that will allow him to reach a state of independance without having to explore the punitive options.

Not that he doesn't piss me off from time to time, but not at the level that requires more than simple consequences (no TV / PS3 / electronics for the weekend).

I believe that children who reach the "I need a beatdown" stage, were not penalized properly for the lesser offences, thereby escalating the improper behavior to unmanagable levels.

I don't claim to have all of the answers. I am fumbling my way through it as I go.

Best explanation I've heard yet. I've spanked my kids before, in situations where they've been about to do something foolish and extremely dangerous. Most of the time I just use a stern tone in my voice, but rarely shout.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
28th March 09, 02:55 PM
I have a thing for tomboys.

seconded
i want to try dating a girl that's crazy taller too

mrm1775
28th March 09, 09:19 PM
While I oppose the death penalty on moral grounds, I acknowledge that in some environments (places like Iraq and Afghanistan) it may be the only way to see that justice is done.

Adopting some form of universal healthcare would not be a step toward socialism.

rw4th
29th March 09, 10:18 AM
In theory I believe in the death penalty; in my opinion some people, through their actions, just forfeit their right to live. However in practice I do not think it should be used for the following reasons:

1- The system is not perfect and innocent people do sometimes get convicted
2- It is not an effective deterrent to anything

I credit Penn & Teller for changing my mind on this issue.

Quikfeet509
29th March 09, 11:47 AM
If we the taxpayers are going to subsidize everyone's healthcare, then we should be able to triage that care based off of how involved a person is with their own care (after the age of 18).


People should have the choice to decide how they live and die - the rest of us shouldn't have to subsidize it with our money (taxpayers) and our time (healthcare workers).

3moose1
29th March 09, 02:49 PM
I believe that American adolescents are needy, self-righteous, and suffer from a delusion of entitlement.

Most of the problem children I am familiar with, would have benefitted greatly from a modest amount of corporal punishment while in their formative years,

or, an epic asskicking now.

My 12 year old son has no knowledge or evidence of my feelings on this, and,

hopefully,

never will.

I agree with the whole adolescents and entitlement part. I hate it, and i hate teenagers because of it.

Yes, i know i'm a still a teenager, but i don't have that self-entitlement defect about me. Every time i've wanted something, i've worked for it. Fuck, i've been working since i was 14.

On the basis of punishment, I'm glad my parents used force. They didn't beat the ever loving fuck out of me, but i sure thought they would at the time.

Looking back, they only ever used a belt, once. I rarely got spanked, but those rare times were quite enough to keep me in line.

HappyOldGuy
29th March 09, 02:50 PM
If we the taxpayers are going to subsidize everyone's healthcare, then we should be able to triage that care based off of how involved a person is with their own care (after the age of 18).


People should have the choice to decide how they live and die - the rest of us shouldn't have to subsidize it with our money (taxpayers) and our time (healthcare workers).

I'm thinking you're unclear on the OP concept.

Quikfeet509
29th March 09, 08:08 PM
I'm thinking you're unclear on the OP concept.


Not really since I used to be a hippie acupuncturist that did daily qigong.



But in the present, despite the fact that the lazy-obese-smoking-I'm-entitled-to-all-the-healthcare-I-want-for-free demographic annoys the piss out of me, there are many times when bad things happen to this group that probably isn't their fault.

Shawarma
30th March 09, 07:37 AM
Why did you stop being an acupuncturist?

Quikfeet509
30th March 09, 12:08 PM
Why did you stop being an acupuncturist?



Money. My wife is also an acupuncturist so if we were both practicing, we would be competing for patients.


While I do miss it, it's okay since anesthesia is KEWL.

Shawarma
30th March 09, 12:51 PM
Can you hook a brotha up?

Quikfeet509
30th March 09, 05:07 PM
What, do you want an epidural?

FickleFingerOfFate
30th March 09, 07:09 PM
Midol.

theotherserge
30th March 09, 10:09 PM
Though I detest welfare in principle, I sure do benefit from how it keeps stupid-ass, unmotivated fucktards off my jobsite.

mrblackmagic
31st March 09, 04:48 PM
The burned hand teaches best.

Sometimes compassion requires letting people hurt themselves so they stop doing it in the future. This is both unfortunate and necessary.

The flip side. People want more for nothing. If they don't get it, then they feel like they are cheated out of what they are owed. Arming myself for the ensuing chaos is well out of my means at present.

Kein Haar
1st April 09, 10:45 AM
No.