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Lebell
25th March 09, 12:18 PM
For years i was content existing in the lower regions of society, i don't need a lot of money since i have no family to support nor do i have expesive hobbies or desires.
But with my 30th birthday coming up i felt like im not using my full potential and it might be a good idea to start some kind of education to improve my chances on getting better jobs and do more fullfilling work.
Yeah, im in that phase in my life, it has to be fullfilling and meaningful.

So i learned there are some projects funded by the government that help you pick an education and even fiancially aid you, so you only have to pay like 50% of your school fees.
I found out how exactly this works and made an appointment with some sort of bureau.
That was today.

Enter the cozy little world of feminine Dutch desktop nazi's...
First of all i come in and i only see women working there...not a good sign in my book.
The contactperson turns out to be a woman: a short scrawny 53 year old with a shy impression about her.

We sit down in her office and she goes:' so...welcome let me tell you a little bit about what we do here...'

FIFTEEN GODDAMN minutes of fairy crap about learning and educating yourslf while staying in your own strength (what the FUCK?!) and grwing as a human being she FINALLY asks me what im here for.

Well, i introduce myself, explain my situation, my motivation to opt for funded education, my educational background etc.

She's sitting there nodding at me and i can tell she's not really listening.
She asks me: so what do you hae in mind.
Hah!
I present to her the programs i want to do, dates of entries, the costs and the estimated time of a succesfull completement of these programs.

She says: That's not how we work...
Me: oh? How do you work?

She: Well, how do you know you'll get a job after you finished this study?
Me: Did you study?
She: its not about me..
Me: is that a no?
She: no, i did study.
Me: when you started did you know in advance you'd get a job?
She: thats different.
Me:Indeed, you had the oportunity to study at the ' normal' age so you got fully funded, im not so lucky so not even do i get fully funded but i also have to prove this program will get me a job...

She then said: I am experiencing a bit of resistance from you now...
Me: Well yeah, im a bit dissapointed, you guys offer this opportunity, here i am with a concrete plan and costs etc and you give me this.
She: i feel that the flow is out of this conversation...
Me: excuse me?
She: the flow is out of the conversation, its not flowing anymore...
Me: ?!

She: so anyway, here's how we work...she gets out this RETARDED flowchart with arrows and colors and starts explaining how i can have an orientation talk, then an assasment talk, then we'll just browse around to see what im comfortable with...

I told her i wasnt so retarded that i needed colorfull objects to explain to me a procedure.
The whole time i was ALLOWED to speak her non verbal body language was like this: arms crossed, leaning backwards and sighing.

At this point i realised they werent here for me, a lowerclass guy trying to work his way up in life.

Me: sorry madam but i have a problem with your non verbal communication, could you at least pretend to care about what i have to say, after all its your job right?
She: again..im not feeling the flow in this conversation...
Me: yeah i know what you mean now...

Me: Could you tell me more about your company?
She: i already did.
Me: no not really, you just expained how you work towards the people that come to you looking for an education.
How many people do you have working here?
How many people do you help on a yearly basis?

She told me that they had over 1500 people a year.
I then asked her how many of those 1500 completed a higher level education succesfully.
She: ehr...i dont know...
Me: does anyone?
She: no we dont keep records of those kind of thingies..
Me: thingies?! so you're making a nice pay out of talking people like me ' helping' them to get a funded education but you don't have to come up with yearly figures?
Wow...interesting job you got there...

She says: why are you being hostile?
Me: because im getting bullshitted.
You say you offer this service, but you offer shit.I have come here with a very concrete realistic and workable plan, I have provided all the contacts the info timetables everything and instead of working with that you only talk about doing procedures, this and that talk.
So tell me, here i am, this is my plan can you help me yes or no?

She said: Well...if you can motivate you can get a job in the sector/area of your education after you finished it, then yes it might work.
Me: no problem at all, if you'd like i go home right now and email it to you within 2 hours.
She: yeah but thats not how it works....
Me: Why not?
She: * whole story again about several conversations, learning within your own strengths yadda yadda*

Epiphany struck...

Me:So how much do you get from the government each time you'd see me?
She: a certain amount of money...
Me: oooooohhhhhh.....so thats it...?
Me: tell me , how much?
She: about 800 to 1000 euros depending on what background you have.
Me: could it be that its not very profitable for your company to have people like me come in, motivated and with their own plan, isnt it much better to ' guide' someone for weeks with an hourrate like that?

She:i think thats a very cynical view of you.
Me: so you'll help me without the whole procedure mill then and give me green light to enter this course with funding?
She: no, i cant do that.

At that point i slightly lost my politeness, you have to understand, without her permission i would have to pay it all by myself, i cant afford such an amount, if i do it her way im fucked, i cant enroll for this semester and have to wait for another whole friggin year.

All this time i was simply asking: hey, i want to improve my worth as an employee and educate myself, the government pays you guys so why so difficult?

It's a fucking industry and they get rich on programs designed to help people.
It's fucking disgusting, in this country it isnt about actually being motivated and willing to work, its all about goddamn talking about vague women stuff and how that makes you feel.

Im seriously thinking about applying for a green card sometimes, this country drives me insane.

Feryk
25th March 09, 12:33 PM
Welcome to bureaucracy. Sorry you had that experience, but you were smart enough to figure out what was behind the bullshit.

What is so important about enrolling THIS semester? Seems to me that if playing this idiotic game is what it will take to save you thousands of euros and get you the education you require, it would be worth going through all the bullshit.

Lebell
25th March 09, 12:41 PM
yeah but its not how i work.

I cant deal with all the crap i had to go through.
These ' companies' are just a bunch of dumb bitches having teatime, people walk in they go: oh you're in need of help and secretly fill their pockets.

I cant deal with smalltalk, if i want smalltalk ill go to a bar and shoot the shit.

Holland is fucking horrible for it, these kind of jobs are the domain of young women who sort off fill up their time until their pencilneck boyfriends knock them up or the horrible types who believe their own communist crap about lifting up the lower classes.

I'd like to see who really owns these companies.
Maybe ill become a freelance journalist insteadand get to the bottom of this.

I'd love to have a guy in front of me, i could have been more up front, eventhough i was angry i realise im intimidating to people so i sort off kept it civil.

if it was a guy i'd just say: what kind of fucking moron do you think i am if you honestly believe im not aware of the bullshit you're trying to pull here?

the woman became nervous enough already, so you know...

Feryk
25th March 09, 12:51 PM
I've had that too. When you are larger, and get annoyed, smaller people blow it out of proportion pretty quickly.

She was probably afraid you were going to go postal.

In the end, though, she has want you want. That means you play her game, or she takes her cookies and goes home. Unless you can find another way to get funding?

Lebell
25th March 09, 12:59 PM
I've had that too. When you are larger, and get annoyed, smaller people blow it out of proportion pretty quickly.

She was probably afraid you were going to go postal.

In the end, though, she has want you want. That means you play her game, or she takes her cookies and goes home. Unless you can find another way to get funding?

I've contacted one of the most prominent Arabists of my country and we're emailing back and forth as we speak.
Looks i got some other options left.
Costly but not as much as the initial damage would have been.

About your comment about little people blowing it out of proportions: definately true.
If i react irritated to someone they'll usually do this, then i get REALLY pissed off.
Actually this happened right after my meeting, i was going home and stopped in the citycenter, i was still in a WTF just happened?! mood and i needed a ciggy.

Sure enough this junky guy walks up to me and asks me for a cigarette.
I always give, never money but other things ill always share with people even less fortunate then me.
(religious thingy)
So im fetching him the cigarette and he puts his arm on mine and says: you good?
that irritates me, but i reply: yeah man.
so you stay good right? and he sorta squeeshed my arm.
Then i snapped and pushed him a bit and said: you touch my goddamn arm one more time and i fcking rip your head off!
Then he called out my name....this was a guy i grewup with, i didnt even recognise him.
i asked him what happened to him.
he said: heroine.

jesus fucking christ what a day.

Shawarma
25th March 09, 01:21 PM
Oh yeah, get that green card. Paying about six times what you'd have to in your flat dyke-filled country for college sounds just awesome.

Jump through their bullshit hoops with a smile and collect your free college money. Understand that beureacracy is pretty much unavoidable if you want to extort your government for free money.

Robot Jesus
25th March 09, 02:41 PM
many post secondary institutions offer a self directed thesis course, you could theoreticly write this these on the corruption in this program. you would need to speak with someone in a post secondary institution about this and get it green lighted. the easyest way I can think of would be to regester as an open studies student, find the apropreate proffesor and pitch the idea.

Spade: The Real Snake
25th March 09, 02:53 PM
This is karmic payback for all the "LOL LEZBO KROTTY KULT" threads you started on BS.

ICY
25th March 09, 02:58 PM
Speak to your MP. In person. With a smile and full documentation of this bullshit.

Lebell
25th March 09, 03:17 PM
Well i already have the email from that arabist in which he stated they actually need more people who can master that language.
It's an idea to see where i can go to make some complaint.

I bet if some journalist would make a article about it many people would come up with similar complaints.

Lebell
25th March 09, 03:22 PM
What annoys me to the Nth degree is that when a guy wants to actually do something people make it difficult.

I dont know how things are done in the USA or other parts but overhere i meet people who study the most weird things.

Some time ago i got invited to a lecture by a group of people, the lecture will be about if and how historical Jesus was, prominent speakers etc.

So i discussed the subject a bit with those people who organised it: students who study world religions.
They said they didnt know about christianity.
I was amazed.

Turns out that over here if you study World religions you actually dont have to know much about the religions, just the effect they have in social and cultural behaviours.

WHAT THE FUCK.

and the worst part is those faggots get a uni degree and twice my salary when those snotnosed pricks go on a jobhunt.

imagine the incompetence of it all: you study world religions without the actually context of those religions.

it's like: hai im a car mechanic!
oh cool! could you have a look at mine it doesnt work properly!
LOLZ i dont need to know that, i only have to know that a car goes vroom vroom!


fucking retards...

ICY
25th March 09, 03:27 PM
If the parliament is in session, that's the best time. Figure out who the minister responsible for this shit is and try and talk to that person. Wait at some point between the legistlature and that guy's office, some place he has to walk by at some point. Then, ambush him with your story and tell him that you'd rather not go to the press, but that's the next step.

Lebell
25th March 09, 03:29 PM
If the parliament is in session, that's the best time. Figure out who the minister responsible for this shit is and try and talk to that person. Wait at some point between the legistlature and that guy's office, some place he has to walk by at some point. Then, ambush him with your story and tell him that you'd rather not go to the press, but that's the next step.

Ehr...are you serious?

There's no way i could even get into the building.

You know?

War on terror and shit?
I'd be on my mouth with 3 security guys on my back if i'd make a funny move over there.

bob
25th March 09, 03:37 PM
That conversation would have been so much funnier if I'd been watching the subtitles of the Dutch translation for some reason.

ICY
25th March 09, 03:49 PM
Ehr...are you serious?

There's no way i could even get into the building.

You know?

War on terror and shit?
I'd be on my mouth with 3 security guys on my back if i'd make a funny move over there.

That sucks. Isn't the legistlature a public building?

Anyway, try and make an appointment, in that case, much as that probably won't work.

HappyOldGuy
25th March 09, 04:01 PM
What annoys me to the Nth degree is that when a guy wants to actually do something people make it difficult.

I dont know how things are done in the USA or other parts but overhere i meet people who study the most weird things.

Some time ago i got invited to a lecture by a group of people, the lecture will be about if and how historical Jesus was, prominent speakers etc.

So i discussed the subject a bit with those people who organised it: students who study world religions.
They said they didnt know about christianity.
I was amazed.

Turns out that over here if you study World religions you actually dont have to know much about the religions, just the effect they have in social and cultural behaviours.

WHAT THE FUCK.

and the worst part is those faggots get a uni degree and twice my salary when those snotnosed pricks go on a jobhunt.

imagine the incompetence of it all: you study world religions without the actually context of those religions.

it's like: hai im a car mechanic!
oh cool! could you have a look at mine it doesnt work properly!
LOLZ i dont need to know that, i only have to know that a car goes vroom vroom!


fucking retards...

There are many different disciplines that deal with religion. There are multiple branches of philosophy, theology, comparative religion, anthropology, and sociology of religion.

IOW you are pretty much bitching that your dentist can't help you with your heart condition.

Lebell
25th March 09, 04:40 PM
There are many different disciplines that deal with religion. There are multiple branches of philosophy, theology, comparative religion, anthropology, and sociology of religion.

IOW you are pretty much bitching that your dentist can't help you with your heart condition.

No.
If you study the world religions you should at least know basic stuff.
Their knowledge was very very poor.

Harpy
25th March 09, 04:52 PM
wtf is an 'Arabist'?

HappyOldGuy
25th March 09, 04:52 PM
No.
If you study the world religions you should at least know basic stuff.
Their knowledge was very very poor.

Because you said so?

The typical pattern for many of those disciplines is to be deep in one particular religion and/or one particular theoretical framework. That's what they know. That's what they write about, and that's what they teach. Other than the comparative religion approach, it's pretty unusual for religious studies folks to pursue breadth for the sake of breadth.

Lebell
25th March 09, 05:02 PM
wtf is an 'Arabist'?

Someone who's specialised in the arabic language aswell as the cultures and religions within the arabic world.
perhaps in English they have a different term for this.


HappyOldGuy,

Ok, interesting point but i strongly feel that studying should be about a person really studying some subject, ofcourse you can't know evrey tiny detail when you're subject is vast and wide but man...

we were talking about the interpretation of the role of Judas within gospels and texts and they barely knew what i was talking about.
Come on, at least know the basics.

I had the same thing with history, ive had talks with history students who didnt know basic things that i happened to know because im a history enthoushiast.
i wouldnt even dare to call myself a amateur.

A study should be a study not some professional expertise.
That way the knowledge scatters and nobody knows shit about anything.

do you understand how i mean that?
you know, my english and all.. :-s

bob
25th March 09, 05:06 PM
A dentist may not know how to treat your heart but they do have to study it in a fair degree of depth.

Harpy
25th March 09, 05:24 PM
Lebell - can't you just take a loan from the bank for college fees?

By the way, would you care to detail your plan to us as you relayed them to the woman at the government agency? Maybe someone can come up with another avenue for you to try.

Spade: The Real Snake
25th March 09, 05:26 PM
With what, his houseboat as security collateral?

Would YOU loan him money?

Lebell
25th March 09, 05:35 PM
the main turn i'd like this thread to take is that society is increasingly getting more feminin.

It has nothing to do with things like being capable or what is effective, it's suddenly about ' how it makes you feel' and more bullcrap.

This kind of fairy stuff will hollow educational systems and society as a whole.
I'm not saying a masculine society is all that, hell no, but let's stick with reasonable approach.

The way i see my society is like some intellectual wasteland filled with desktop zombies who have feelingchecks and after they go home round 5 they switch on the tv so they can be told what to cook and what to eat and how to decorate a cosey home and how Oprah feels about the latest books.

If you're a retard in the privacy of your own home, fine with me, but if this retardedness gets mixed up on the job then it gets scary.

This woman was in function, i came up with my own plan/suggestion and provided all the additional info i could imagine she would need.
If i were in her position i'd think: hey! this guy is motivated! lets see if we can work with his suggestions.

she didnt even listen, she started talking about the procedures like some drone and was totally unable to think outside of her box.

I reminded her that procedures are there for the people and what she did was putting the procedures over me.

Like posted before she also said things like: i dont feel the conversation flowing anymore...
You don't say crap like that when you're a professional!
It scares me.

Professional people using hippy crap from some sort of new age management workshop...i mean... where does it end?

Those people waving kristals over your head and telling you to come back next week because the planetary allignments will be better?!

bob
25th March 09, 05:40 PM
Is it a feminine trait to try to overservice people while you're on the govt. payroll?

Lebell
25th March 09, 05:42 PM
Lebell - can't you just take a loan from the bank for college fees?

By the way, would you care to detail your plan to us as you relayed them to the woman at the government agency? Maybe someone can come up with another avenue for you to try.

loans wouldnt be an option.

my plan was this: i wanted to start a 15 lesson course of basic modern standard arabic.
Lessons of 2 hours and 2 hours a day homestudy (4 days a week homestudy,1 evening course, times 15)

Course hosted by the university over here with a legitimate certificate.

Now ofcourse this course is just a beginning.
BUT by completing this course i strike 2 birds with one stone: the course is relatively cheap, so if i would fuck up i and the funding wouldnt lose that much money.
second: by completing it succesfully i also have my status needed to join the proper module of arabic language, provided by the same university.
That one i would get a scolarshipsloan for as it would make me a normal regualr student.
They'd only have to cough up the beginner course.
But no...

The woman said: how do you know you can get a job?!
i dont see it working.
she was overall negative about my own plan.
i was flabbergasted.
So like i said earlier i emailed this prominent arabist guy and he replied saying they actually need people who master arabic.

In short this agency or however i have to call them are in fact an enterprise not interested in me having a quick decision and actionplan, instead they want to coach me getting government pays.
They want to milk me.

get it?
its fucking low.

Zendetta
25th March 09, 05:45 PM
the main turn i'd like this thread to take is that society is increasingly getting more feminin.

LOL.

Well, since your whole screed was an ode to unhinged emotional display rather than stoic reserve, I'd say that:
A) you are right

- and -

B) you are part of the problem.

Quit whining and learn to control your emotions like the rest of us men.

Lebell
25th March 09, 05:46 PM
Is it a feminine trait to try to overservice people while you're on the govt. payroll?

exactly.
this whole thing stinks.
im inclined to get to the bottom of this.
as far as i understand they are commercial agency's, i can contact them for free.
then if i sign something im officially ' coached' by them, they on their turn contact the department of the government concerned with educations etc, and they get a pay for each hour they ' coach' me.

maybe i should give up crap like studying, go girly, talk a lot and start my own bullshit company.

somehow i suspect this sector is very well protected between a few companies.

Zendetta
25th March 09, 05:47 PM
oh, and: LOL, SOCIALIZM

Lebell
25th March 09, 05:48 PM
LOL.

Well, since your whole screed was an ode to unhinged emotional display rather than stoic reserve, I'd say that:
A) you are right

- and -

B) you are part of the problem.

Quit whining and learn to control your emotions like the rest of us men.

im not so much whining, im trying to explain the situation, and am curious if people from other western countries have noticed or experienced similar things.

oh, and when was the last time you brought me flowers?

HappyOldGuy
25th March 09, 05:50 PM
they on their turn contact the department of the government concerned with educations etc, and they get a pay for each hour they ' coach' me.


So if I've got this right, a for profit company servicing a government contract is making sure they get paid...but you realized halfway through that they are a secret front for the lesbian karate cult and freaked out and triangled their receptionist?

bob
25th March 09, 05:52 PM
http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/lesbians.jpg

Lebell
25th March 09, 05:54 PM
So if I've got this right, a for profit company servicing a government contract is making sure they get paid...but you realized halfway through that they are a secret front for the lesbian karate cult and freaked out and triangled their receptionist?

actually their receptionist was totally hot...nice figure, reddish hair, green eyes...i'd totally do her.

the woman i talked with was weird, really scrawny and very condescending.
when i wanted to talk about my idea or wanted to ask something she'd say: we'll get to that, just hear me out now..

when she said that she closed her eyes and sorta lowered her voice as you'd talk to a kid.

infuriating!

HappyOldGuy
25th March 09, 05:58 PM
actually their receptionist was totally hot...nice figure, reddish hair, green eyes...i'd totally do her.


Obviously, that's why you had to rescue her from the cult before they sacrificed her.

jubei33
25th March 09, 07:19 PM
so, you're asking someone for money for college and are pissed they have policies: oh its a femmi-nazi plot!

but hey good luck
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Cullion
25th March 09, 09:26 PM
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Just because.

Lebell
26th March 09, 07:16 AM
so, you're asking someone for money for college and are pissed they have policies: oh its a femmi-nazi plot!

but hey good luck


You should read more carefully.

EuropIan
26th March 09, 09:30 AM
we are becoming wrong gender in more places.

Truculent Sheep
26th March 09, 09:41 AM
It definitely is too bureaucratic and impractical, a sort of educational clip joint. More to the point, it's a bit silly to ask if someone can get a job with a degree they haven't got yet, especially considering all the computer programmers, engineers and scientists I've met who are working as taxi drivers or at McDonald's.

Slag off Lebell as much as you want, but do remember that his taxes have gone into funding this mess, so perhaps he is entitled to some value for money?

KO'd N DOA
26th March 09, 10:56 AM
im not so much whining, im trying to explain the situation, and am curious if people from other western countries have noticed or experienced similar things.


After Uni there were not many jobs, so I went looking to programs at the Unemployment office, who had just changed the name to the Employment office, and they all got so bitchy that I hadn't read the memo on the name change. (The government, not a private firm outsourced.)

I had a horrible experience similar to yours, minus the redhead secretary.
(condenced version) I filled out a lengthy form, complete with salary expectations, ideal job functions etc.
Her: Studies have shown that University graduates have unrealistic
expectations that society somehow owes them. Go flip burgers.
Me: Do you have a degree?
Her: Yes a masters degree.
Me: What field?
Her: Sociology
Me: I could train my pet cat to get that, I ment a REAL degree.
Her: You are spoiled and unemployable.
Me: I could do your job, better than you, and you know it.
Her: This is going nowhere...I am going to have to ask you to leave.
Me: There's no employment here anyways.

I was escorted out. Two month later I got hired, no thanks to the Unemployment office, and I went in to tell her, how I got hired entry level in my career, no thanks to her, and especially how I got my expected pay.

HappyOldGuy
26th March 09, 11:02 AM
Slag off Lebell as much as you want, but do remember that his taxes have gone into funding this mess, so perhaps he is entitled to some value for money?

The ones got nuthin ta do with the other.

But just so you unbunch your panties, let me explain how the slagging was actually helping lebell. He was complaining about being forced to follow a process that he didn't think was an efficient way to service his needs. Being dutch, he wasn't considering his partners needs. He wants money. They want money. Both of them can only get what they want if they work together and follow the established process.

Or to put it in sociocide speak. No bang bang without the licky licky.

Truculent Sheep
26th March 09, 11:25 AM
The ones got nuthin ta do with the other.

Yes they do.


But just so you unbunch your panties,.

Stop projecting your latent transvestism onto me.


let me explain how the slagging was actually helping lebell. He was complaining about being forced to follow a process that he didn't think was an efficient way to service his needs. Being dutch, he wasn't considering his partners needs. He wants money. They want money. Both of them can only get what they want if they work together and follow the established process.

Or to put it in sociocide speak. No bang bang without the licky licky.

Err, no. Because the process isn't giving him what he needs, is both statist and inefficient and requires him to go through all levels of absurdity just to get something he is in fact entitled to.

Lebell
26th March 09, 02:14 PM
1)It definitely is too bureaucratic and impractical, a sort of educational clip joint. More to the point, it's a bit silly to ask if someone can get a job with a degree they haven't got yet, especially considering all the computer programmers, engineers and scientists I've met who are working as taxi drivers or at McDonald's.

2)Slag off Lebell as much as you want, but do remember that his taxes have gone into funding this mess, so perhaps he is entitled to some value for money?

1) Yes exactly, if you're 18 and off to Uni nobody is bitching about what study you're going to do, wondering if you might get a job in that specific field.
Because im trying to get an upgraded education on a later age not only do i have to pay more (im ok with that) but somehow i have to defend or proof something what is virtually impossible to do.
How the hell can i convince them ill be guaranteed to have a job after im done?!

I'm not exactly spoiled, ive always taken every shitty job i could find if there was nothing to my liking.

2) The way i look at it, it's a government policy to offer this, as a citizen im entitled and privileged to use this service, i mean, its a pretty sweet deal.
But at least give me a chance, like this its like offering a present in a package you cant open.

Lebell
26th March 09, 02:17 PM
The ones got nuthin ta do with the other.

But just so you unbunch your panties, let me explain how the slagging was actually helping lebell. He was complaining about being forced to follow a process that he didn't think was an efficient way to service his needs. Being dutch, he wasn't considering his partners needs. He wants money. They want money. Both of them can only get what they want if they work together and follow the established process.

Or to put it in sociocide speak. No bang bang without the licky licky.

actually i already tried that aswell: at one point after i made the point about their money thingy i suggested we'd work something out and both of us would be happy.
they made sure i could enroll in time and i'd show up for some additional ' coaching' so they could make their hours.
(preferrably coaching the receptionists brain out..ghehe)

but no dice.

coz the company is run by hippy new age womenfolk.

HappyOldGuy
26th March 09, 02:22 PM
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Zendetta
26th March 09, 02:28 PM
Lebell: you are not (completely) wrong.

BUT you probably need professional help from a psychologist.

THis is not a "You so Krazee!" compliment, this is a "You Got Issues" Red Flag.

Lebell
26th March 09, 02:31 PM
Lebell: you are not (completely) wrong.

BUT you probably need professional help from a psychologist.

THis is not a "You so Krazee!" compliment, this is a "You Got Issues" Red Flag.

What kind of issues would you say?

Zendetta
26th March 09, 02:51 PM
The short list would be issues with women and an inability to control your emotional responses under stress.

But hey, I'm not a shrink.

bob
26th March 09, 02:55 PM
You're a counter jumper Lebell and I can respect that.

But formalised education of any kind involves jumping through administrative hoops, more so when someone else is footing the bill.

Remember the white man's great gift to civilization is not the steam engine or digital computing or internet dating. It's learning how to queue in an orderly fashion.

Lebell
27th March 09, 06:28 AM
pffffffff.....ok...first of all i don't have issues with women or with my emotions under stress.
sometimes a guy doesnt have issues, he's just impatient and doesnt want to put up with with shit.
simple as that.

Bornsceptic, yeah well you know, i wish it could be more simple, more effective.
originally procedures and all were designed to help people, nowadays the procedures overrule the people.

it's easy to see except for the hordes of dumbfucks making money out of the procedures.

i really feel society sucks and is going downhill because of attitudes and people like that.

Harpy
27th March 09, 06:29 AM
Lebell - where does all this analysis leave you? Still without the ability or funds to go ahead with your plans and education.

Do what you need to get a start, prove them wrong, build your self-worth, don't be a victim.

Lebell
27th March 09, 06:56 AM
well duh...im already busy with tht Lilai.

the thread is about what the fuck is wrong with todays society?!
i crave a nuclear holocaust.