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elipson
15th March 09, 10:57 PM
I just wanted to steal Krackers thunder.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/03/15/que-policeprotest.html

A rally to protest police brutality. How ironic.

Of course such events are sure to attract nothing but the most law-biding and peaceful members of any city.

Spade: The Real Snake
15th March 09, 11:00 PM
Quick alert Lord Humongous for appropriate outrage.

Robot Jesus
16th March 09, 12:43 AM
and knave for cheerleading

Phrost
16th March 09, 12:24 PM
We all should be outraged at police brutality. The problem is when your outrage becomes irrational, and you make yourself and your cause substantially easier to marginalize.

Shawarma
16th March 09, 01:01 PM
Phrost has just Rodney Kinged the correct.

Harpy
16th March 09, 04:21 PM
Agree with Phrost, who says protests can't be peaceful yet still bring a strong clear message?

Part of the news article:

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'Television footage showed some people throwing rocks at businesses, including hotels.'

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'Protesters were shown to be clutching their faces because of tear gas released by police'

elipson
16th March 09, 04:34 PM
I'm totally ok with police tear gassing people who think smashing someone elses windows serves the greater social good.

Actually, I'd be ok with the police hand-cuffing those people and then handing them over to the victims of said window breaking and allow them to come to an "agreement".

Harpy
16th March 09, 04:39 PM
Elipson - when you say 'agreement', do you mean a proper discussion as to reparation for damage to property outside of court or something more violent?

I find it funny how some rioters (as opposed to 'protestors') will get really dramatic as soon as they spot a TV camera. "Ouch, a rubber bullet pinged off my head", "oh noez pepper spray up my noze".

HappyOldGuy
16th March 09, 05:30 PM
I find it funny how some rioters (as opposed to 'protestors') will get really dramatic as soon as they spot a TV camera. "Ouch, a rubber bullet pinged off my head", "oh noez pepper spray up my noze".

Well, sometime yes. Sometimes no.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/03/14/2009-03-14_us_activist_tristan_anderson_hanging_by_.html

I have alot of common friends with this guy. Lots of folks are pretty fucked up.

EuropIan
16th March 09, 05:32 PM
People are dumb sometimes.
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elipson
16th March 09, 05:44 PM
elipson - when you say 'agreement', do you mean a proper discussion as to reparation for damage to property outside of court or something more violent?
Either/or. That's why I put agreement in quotations - its definition may be open to interpretation.

kracker
16th March 09, 05:51 PM
Police tend to ack like a bunch of violent thugs when they get called on being a bunch of violent thugs. That being said, this kind of bullshit just gives police more liscence to get violent and hurt people for no good reaon. Unless there is a very specific instance that demands attention and will be ignored otherwise (ie Oscar Grant) smashing windows solves nothing and just makes you look like an asshole.

Dark Helmet
16th March 09, 06:02 PM
It's sad state of affairs when the individuals who have something to actually say are drowned out by the noise of the minority


I think the police in this instance acted within reason in their approach to controlling the rioters and I found they did quite well considering who they faced.


Apparently things started going bad when the protest march decided to go into different directions along the route of the protest march. Then sometime around then that's when the city's "Squeegees" which is a euphemism for street punks decide to start shit.With one riot last May after a Canadians lost against Boston.

Dark Helmet
16th March 09, 06:18 PM
I think I should point out that Montreal is a 'riot'. They've been rioting in this city for some reason or another for the past 150 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_the_Parliament_Buildings_in_Montreal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Hill_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Williams_Computer_Riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Stanley_Cup_Finals


When you might have some insight into this city when Cops want to in-act a law that prevents people from walking around with bandannas covering their faces.
http://www.sociocide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51968&highlight=montreal

nihilist
17th March 09, 12:54 AM
I think that when the cops wear masks like that then it shows that their heart is in the right place.

mrm1775
17th March 09, 03:30 AM
I think that when the cops wear masks like that then it shows that their heart is in the right place.They're nomex masks. European rioters have a reputation for throwing molotov cocktails.

Montreal police spokesman Ian Lafrenière said many of those arrested were carrying sticks or stones.

Two officers were slightly injured. Some of the protesters were tossing fireworks, police said.

Television footage showed some people throwing rocks at businesses, including hotels. Protesters were shown to be clutching their faces because of tear gas released by police.
So they are protesting police brutality by breaking people's stuff and trying to start fights with the police? Makes sense.

GuiltySpark
17th March 09, 11:28 PM
Mmmm, anti-riot cavalry.

TheLordHumungus
17th March 09, 11:46 PM
"Ouch, a rubber bullet pinged off my head"

Wow, you have obviosly never been hit with a rubber bullet. They tend not to just ping. Especially if you're unlucky enough to get hit in the head.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4272/rubberbullet.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4138/rubberbullet2.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/276/rubberbullets3.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1011/rubberbullets4.jpg

TheLordHumungus
17th March 09, 11:48 PM
Quick alert Lord Humongous for appropriate outrage.

And the name is spelled Humungus.

GuiltySpark
17th March 09, 11:59 PM
Wow, you have obviosly never been hit with a rubber bullet. They tend not to just ping. Especially if you're unlucky enough to get hit in the head.



Better a rubber bullet than a jacketed hollow point though.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 12:09 AM
I can't argue that. Still would prefer neither.

mrm1775
18th March 09, 01:19 AM
Let's see:

Discussion of authority?
Check.

Kracker?
Check.

Humungous?
Check.

Something is still missing...




Of course!
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1166/deadhorse1.jpg

Now the thread can continue.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 01:34 AM
I know, I saw my name mentioned and still got here this late.

Fear not though, I've no intention of of arguing the injustice that is police authority. If the sheep are satisfied with their chosen shepherds, I see no reason to rehash shit I've already discussed at great length.

I was just astounded at the idea that rubber bullets harmlessly 'ping' off ppl's heads. I've seen the aftermath of nonlethal force too often to dismiss it as harmless.

Harpy
18th March 09, 06:47 AM
Lord H, you know I have a soft spot for you but I just don't understand what you would like the police to do in the face of rioting protesters who are damaging public property. I'd say tear gas, a few whacks with a baton and some rubber bullets to the head are a pretty good response to subdue them.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 10:17 AM
Again, my views on what the response of police should be, or whether they should be out there at all, will cause a shitstorm in this thread that I currently have neither the time nor inclination to deal with.

I'm limiting my comments here to stating that 'rubber bullets' are not the humane means of crowd control they're so often portrayed as. Even The Lancet has weighed in on the issue. (http://news.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news-2/Rubber-bullets-not-safe-for-crowd-control-7996-1/) And even most police recognize you're not supposed to fire them at the head, as that is pretty likely to kill someone.

There's also the fact that when you fire into a crowd of protesters, you injure the ones who aren't committing any crimes as well. That's like saying that the answer to a hostage situation in a home is to burn the place down.

Kein Haar
18th March 09, 10:46 AM
Lily,

You call in the Hells Angels. They'll promise not to stab anyone this time.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 10:58 AM
If he's not charging you with anything you neither have to respond to Kein nor answer any of his questions.

Kein Haar
18th March 09, 11:04 AM
Is it like the movies, where if a couple of squirrely young-men on a road trip (probably involved in some hair-brained scheme) get their wallets stolen by some prostitutes, you'll allow them to wash dishes once they sheepishly discover that they have no money?

Or you do you just bounce the bejeesus out of them?

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 11:11 AM
Either way, I promise not to bother you or your colleagues with it. I know you're too busy shaking down said prostitutes for sexual favors in return for looking the other way.

Think you're too good to pay like all the other johns? Cheapskate.

Spade: The Real Snake
18th March 09, 11:59 AM
Lily,

You call in the Hells Angels. They'll promise not to stab anyone this time.

Mick Jagger disagrees.

Zendetta
18th March 09, 12:10 PM
Wow, you have obviosly never been hit with a rubber bullet. They tend not to just ping. Especially if you're unlucky enough to get hit in the head.

While that is indeed pretty gnarly, I hope you know that in a Real Police State they would have been shot in the back of the head with a hollow-point and left to rot in a ditch.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 12:13 PM
Yeah man. If things could be worse, you're obviously not in a repressive state.

Zendetta
18th March 09, 12:17 PM
No, more like you have no fucking idea what a real repressive state looks and feels like.

Oh, wait, you've been to Cuba, where Labor Unions are outlawed and homosexuality is a crime punishable by prison time. Maybe you should move there so you can get out from under the Man's thumb.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 12:22 PM
Any place where unions are powerless and homosexuals have to fear for their lives makes me think of life under Reagan (or down south), so no thanks.

Spade: The Real Snake
18th March 09, 12:49 PM
No, more like you have no fucking idea what a real repressive state looks and feels like.

Oh, wait, you've been to Cuba, where Labor Unions are outlawed and homosexuality is a crime punishable by prison time. Maybe you should move there so you can get out from under the Man's thumb.

You mean Rage Against The Machine lied to me and Cuba isn't the wonderful socialist paradise they stated?

Kein Haar
18th March 09, 12:51 PM
If you have to ask that question, I'm not sure you've been raging hard enough.

Zendetta
18th March 09, 01:17 PM
Any place where unions are powerless and homosexuals have to fear for their lives makes me think of life under Reagan (or down south), so no thanks.

You have too much of a sense of humor to be that big of an idiot, so you must be trolling.

Sorry to hear that your memebership in the HomoSexual Union (Local Assfuckers 655) was rerstricted under RWR.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 01:30 PM
S'cool. Still better than being a scab Assfucker. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8926/scab.jpg

elipson
18th March 09, 01:36 PM
So its better to be chained to a union than chained to a company?

It seems to me that Unions tends to be more fascist than the companies they are fighting. Managers don't go around beating up ppl for quiting there work or working for the competitor.

Great model society. Do as we say; or else.

Spade: The Real Snake
18th March 09, 02:46 PM
S'cool. Still better than being a scab Assfucker. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8926/scab.jpg

Anything that uses the "pissing Calvin" logo deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule.

HappyOldGuy
18th March 09, 09:56 PM
So its better to be chained to a union than chained to a company?

It seems to me that Unions tends to be more fascist than the companies they are fighting. Managers don't go around beating up ppl for quiting there work or working for the competitor.

Great model society. Do as we say; or else.

err (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carnegie/sfeature/mh_blue.html)

Harpy
18th March 09, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by The Lord Humungous:
There's also the fact that when you fire into a crowd of protesters, you injure the ones who aren't committing any crimes as well. That's like saying that the answer to a hostage situation in a home is to burn the place down.

Different situations (with different risks) so please don't try that argument with me. There is a world of difference between rubber bullets/tear gas/riot gear and burning a house down with human beings in it.

As to 'firing rubber bullets' into a crowd of protestors. As long as the cowards who act as criminals hide amongst the protestors, as long as factions of the protestors protest their innocence while hiding these cowards, as long as a single person may be motivated to follow in the footsteps of these criminals, the police have every right to fire rubber bullets/tear to disperse and subdue the protestors until they can find their targets. There is little time in situations such as these for the police to act before they are swarmed, attacked, more property is damaged, innocent bystanders may be hurt etc.

No one is saying one doesn't have the right to protest peacefully.


Lily,
You call in the Hells Angels. They'll promise not to stab anyone this time.
What?

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 11:48 PM
Anything that uses the "pissing Calvin" logo deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule.

Nah, bro. That's a young Hoffa. He does strongly resemble Calvin though.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 11:56 PM
Different situations (with different risks) so please don't try that argument with me. There is a world of difference between rubber bullets/tear gas/riot gear and burning a house down with human beings in it.

As to 'firing rubber bullets' into a crowd of protestors. As long as the cowards who act as criminals hide amongst the protestors, as long as factions of the protestors protest their innocence while hiding these cowards, as long as a single person may be motivated to follow in the footsteps of these criminals, the police have every right to fire rubber bullets/tear to disperse and subdue the protestors until they can find their targets. There is little time in situations such as these for the police to act before they are swarmed, attacked, more property is damaged, innocent bystanders may be hurt etc.

No one is saying one doesn't have the right to protest peacefully.

Problem is, all the police have to do is plant a couple undercover officers in the crowd. The undercovers behave in such a way as to allow the police to break up the whole protest.

Or the police allege that a few individuals were causing a disturbance and shut down the whole gathering.

Protests tend to be ineffective if they can be shut down simply because 10 out of 500 ppl misbehave.

Oh, and because of the bowel disrupting fear I inspire in his little piggy mind, Kein thinks I must be a badass outlaw biker. That's why the Hell's Angels comment was made.

TheLordHumungus
18th March 09, 11:59 PM
err (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carnegie/sfeature/mh_blue.html)

Oh the irony of it. Those fuckers are union now.


n July 2003, Pinkerton's was acquired along with longtime rival, the William J. Burns Detective Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Burns) (founded in 1910), by Securitas AB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitas_AB) to create Securitas Security Services USA, Inc., one of the largest security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_guard) companies in the world. Securitas, and several other major security companies, are now under union organization through the SEIU (Services Employees International Union), ironically bringing Pinkerton under labor organization, which it had been used so fervently to disrupt only decades earlier.

Zendetta
19th March 09, 12:03 AM
lol, pwnt

mrm1775
19th March 09, 02:40 AM
If he's not charging you with anything you neither have to respond to Kein nor answer any of his questions.Will you stop talking to me once I get my badge too?

Because I can't wait!

Neildo
19th March 09, 02:51 AM
wow, unionized security? i should look into working south of te border.

Securitas up here just downsized. closed a dispatch station here, and routed all calls to montreal. makes dispatches and response times longer, it's terrible.

glad i don't work for that company. ew.

Kein Haar
19th March 09, 07:37 AM
Oh, and because of the bowel disrupting fear I inspire in his little piggy mind, Kein thinks I must be a badass outlaw biker. That's why the Hell's Angels comment was made.

Fixed:


Oh, and because of the bowel disrupting fear I have of all the people who aren't actually out to get me, I like to imply my association with bad-ass outlaw bikers.

kracker
19th March 09, 08:52 AM
Lily,

You call in the Hells Angels. They'll promise not to stab anyone this time.

I'm pretty sure they kill less civilians annually than cops so actually that's not a bad idea. Also, unlike cops, the HA know that if they screw up enough they'll end up in jail.

Spade: The Real Snake
19th March 09, 09:40 AM
Nah, bro. That's a young Hoffa. He does strongly resemble Calvin though.

then bury the fucking lot of them in the end zone.

Kein Haar
19th March 09, 01:25 PM
I'm pretty sure they kill less civilians annually than cops so actually that's not a bad idea. Also, unlike cops, the HA know that if they screw up enough they'll end up in jail.

Do you have a newsletter to which I could subsribe?

TheLordHumungus
19th March 09, 01:58 PM
Do you have a newsletter to which I could subsribe?
In return Kein would be happy to send you a subscription to his favorite magazine.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5923/strmtrpr.jpg

Fearless Ukemi
19th March 09, 02:15 PM
I'm pretty sure they kill less civilians annually than cops so actually that's not a bad idea. Also, unlike cops, the HA know that if they screw up enough they'll end up in jail.


QFMR

MR = Mental Retardation

Spade: The Real Snake
19th March 09, 02:32 PM
In return Kein would be happy to send you a subscription to his favorite magazine.

http://tonova.typepad.com/thesuddencurve/images/llargediversity.jpg

elipson
19th March 09, 04:44 PM
I'm pretty sure they kill less civilians annually than cops so actually that's not a bad idea. Also, unlike cops, the HA know that if they screw up enough they'll end up in jail.

I would love to see your sources of this. I'm sure I could dig up my own, but I'll let you take the glory.

Also, if you could include the HA's involvement in drug crime its secondary effects on society and the resulting increase in crime/violence, that would be great as well.

elipson
19th March 09, 05:12 PM
Let me get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Biker_war#cite_note-0
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bikergangs/

150 deaths in 8 years. We will assume for now that the deaths were split evenly among both sides, so thats 75 deaths in 8 years attributed to the HA. in just Quebec.

socratic
19th March 09, 05:36 PM
So its better to be chained to a union than chained to a company?

It seems to me that Unions tends to be more fascist than the companies they are fighting. Managers don't go around beating up ppl for quiting there work or working for the competitor.

Great model society. Do as we say; or else.

Eh, Teacher's Unions negotiate wages and other working conditions at least on our side of the pond. They're kinda necessary for that, even if most teachers just view all the protesting as a great way to lose a day's wage. I'm sure most unions have this agenda somewhere in their minds, so I don't think most workers can do without them just yet.

As for the Hell's Angels... Snake made a good point. You guys remember that time the Hell's Angels killed the hippy movement by killing a hippy at a Rolling Stones Concert? (Ironically, he was being beaten to death whilst 'Sympathy for the Devil' was playing)

I would take a police state over an organised-crime state any fuckin' day of the week. If you'll kindly look at Mexico and Russia, you'll see that mafiatocracies suck major ass.

elipson
19th March 09, 05:58 PM
I remember a few years ago here in BC when the Government employees union initiated a strike for the support workers in government institutions. Janitors and practising nurses and the such.

At the same time, the employees of the actual Union were preparing to serve strike notice.

My experience with unions is that they typically protect the lazy and corrupt by making them difficult to fire, while at the same time imposing restrictions upon the workers who don't suck. Not all unions are like this, but not all employers are bastards either.

KO'd N DOA
23rd March 09, 03:41 PM
The "anti police violance protesters" do this every year... the grafitti was really sub-par than normal (we are a government subsidized people after all, and art is heavily funded) and the damage not at all convincing that they really wanted to spark the cops into a frenzy.

Right Across the road from my work, a cop supervised for a few hours a 'protester' to paint over his "art" which as I said was really of a very poor quality, given what my taxes fund.

Next year I will try to be a correspondant for this. Hope we try to take that Cartier span bridge like a few years back - now that was police brutality!!!