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kracker
27th February 09, 11:42 AM
http://www.tooshocking.com/videos/6041/Fans_Get_Even_With_Riot_Police

4 police beat the crap out of a guy running across the field using obviously unnecessary force. This in itself is not news. The news is that they actually got a severe reprimand for it. Not from the injustice system but just good old fashioned public outrage. Notice how quickly order is restored when they are chased away. Also notice how they scatter like cowards and leave their friend to face the music all by himself. This is what happens when police push too hard for too long with no consequences.

SFGOON
27th February 09, 12:03 PM
I love how bored the announcer sounds.

"Now ve can see how ze fans are, yes zey are beating de poleezman. His companions have fled and zey are beating ze one. The weferee has yellow-carded ze man in ze business suit. Ze match, she is brought to you my DeGaul's Crossiants. Ze poleezman may be dead. Ah no! He is in 'orrible pain. ZE referee has now yellow-carded a ten year old boy for striking ze dying offizer with his own baton. We zuzpekt ze offizer has taken a dive. Ze weferee has red-carded ze officer for taking a dive. He is expelled from ze match. He is wefusing to get up and leave. His friends have returned to escort him from the field. He wefuses. Zey begin to beat him zome more. Ze fans are becoming upset....."

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 12:03 PM
I must have missed the "Beating the crap out of a guy" part of the video.

Zendetta
27th February 09, 12:17 PM
Yay the system works. Now STFU already.

SFGOON
27th February 09, 12:20 PM
There's no justice like mob justice. Especially when that mob is Italian (or someting) and drunk off fortified wine and le futboll.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 12:24 PM
Why did the video end before the inevitable tear gassing and releasing of the attack dogs?

SFGOON
27th February 09, 12:36 PM
There are other ways. Like when I wear a hidden mike and cam so that when they file a false complain against me, I sue them for slander. And win.

Alternatively:

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GuiltySpark
27th February 09, 01:26 PM
Scatter like cowards =)

No doubt in the same situation Kracker and 3 of his friends would have stood shoulder to shoulder spartan style and fought the overwhelming crowd for 7 days and 7 nights.

I wonder how many heads the Italian carabarnari cracked afterwards, I would have enjoyed watching th police put rounds into the crowd.

kracker
27th February 09, 01:34 PM
I must have missed the "Beating the crap out of a guy" part of the video.

It's at the beginning where they hold the guy down and smack him with nightsticks.

kracker
27th February 09, 01:36 PM
Scatter like cowards =)

No doubt in the same situation Kracker and 3 of his friends would have stood shoulder to shoulder spartan style and fought the overwhelming crowd for 7 days and 7 nights.
.

I don't claim to be superior to anyone else. Cops expect us to treat them like God, as though they are such superior beings to us lowly citizens. They, as it transpires, are just as cowardly as anyone else, willing to act all tough only when they outnumber and outgun.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 01:43 PM
It's at the beginning where they hold the guy down and smack him with nightsticks.

I saw a couple of pokes and jabs while they were restraining the IDIOT WHO CHOSE TO RUN ONTO A SOCCER PITCH WHILE A MATCH WAS GOING ON.

HappyOldGuy
27th February 09, 01:44 PM
If you think what the cops did to that guy is a beating, you're a pussy.

GuiltySpark
27th February 09, 01:58 PM
I don't claim to be superior to anyone else. Cops expect us to treat them like God, as though they are such superior beings to us lowly citizens. They, as it transpires, are just as cowardly as anyone else, willing to act all tough only when they outnumber and outgun.
When you're 7000 miles away watching a video of something like that and you call 4 police officers for their behavior when facing a crowd of what, a hundred? a coward, you're judging them from a superior-like-attitude.

Have you ever been in that situation? Of course you haven't. You're a psyche student you said? Have you ever studied about the mid brain, fight or flight and all that? Are you actually taking that in school Kracker? This is all stuff you should be keenly aware of.
I have a feeling you would call a police officer a coward if they pissed or shit their pants in a firefight or intense situation like that.

It may work in video games when your small team of 4 guys take on a whole fortress but in the real world, police or military, generally 3 on 1 odds is what you're shooting for. 10 on 1 even better. You can start talking about cowards and hounor and shit but remember there is fantasy land and real life. Guess which is which.

Not a single person on this forum would act different.

Considering a lot of what you say I'm starting to really doubt the claims you've thrown out about your schooling man.


Happyoldguy is bang on, if you think thats a beating then you've never been in a fight.

elipson
27th February 09, 02:12 PM
You call that a fucking beating?

Holy shit you're a pussy.

Get a job as a bouncer or security guard for a while. Unless your character is so weak that you're afraid you will be corrupted by such a DIRTY job.

kracker
27th February 09, 02:26 PM
When you're 7000 miles away watching a video of something like that and you call 4 police officers for their behavior when facing a crowd of what, a hundred? a coward, you're judging them from a superior-like-attitude.

Have you ever been in that situation? Of course you haven't. You're a psyche student you said? Have you ever studied about the mid brain, fight or flight and all that? Are you actually taking that in school Kracker? This is all stuff you should be keenly aware of.
I have a feeling you would call a police officer a coward if they pissed or shit their pants in a firefight or intense situation like that.

It may work in video games when your small team of 4 guys take on a whole fortress but in the real world, police or military, generally 3 on 1 odds is what you're shooting for. 10 on 1 even better. You can start talking about cowards and hounor and shit but remember there is fantasy land and real life. Guess which is which.

Not a single person on this forum would act different.

Considering a lot of what you say I'm starting to really doubt the claims you've thrown out about your schooling man.


Happyoldguy is bang on, if you think thats a beating then you've never been in a fight.

Hell I'd shit my pants and run too if 100 people were chasing me. I never denied it so how am I showing a superior attitude? Cops like to perpetuate the ideal that they are omnipotant, I don't.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 02:28 PM
Cops like to perpetuate the ideal that they are omnipotant, I don't.

Omnipotence and tactics use to get your weak mind to crack and confess to the crimes they suspect you of committing are not the same.

GuiltySpark
27th February 09, 02:42 PM
Hell I'd shit my pants and run too if 100 people were chasing me. I never denied it so how am I showing a superior attitude? Cops like to perpetuate the ideal that they are omnipotant, I don't.

Because ultimately when shit hits the fan cops by nature of their job are going to be standing between that pissed off crowd and you.

I'm being cliche and ripping off grossman like every other douch but police officers are sheepdogs. You're a sheep. Some other people out there are wolves.

Sheep don't like sheep dogs. They think their a nussiance and would rather them not be around. Annoying, bark a lot, get in the way, try and keep order in the flock when sheep just wanna wander around. They like to go through life pretending there are no wolves.

Thing is there ARE wolves and when a pack of wolves start trying to circle a flock of sheep all those frightened sheep go from disliking the stupid annoying sheep dog to trying to hide behind them.

Aphid Jones
27th February 09, 03:20 PM
I'd trust police officers over a mob any day. That you imply the reverse, Kracker, makes me question your sanity.

elipson
27th February 09, 03:42 PM
I very much believe that Kracker would be one of the wolves, or at least a very aggressive sheep.

Kein Haar
27th February 09, 04:06 PM
Is the problem that they were "held accountable"?

I would think Kracker and co. would be more interested in that which they aren't held accountable for.

Cullion
27th February 09, 04:16 PM
I'm not expert, but I don't think the police were giving that guy a punishment beating.

i) They knew perfectly well they were on camera. It was a televised soccer match and they were on the pitch.

ii) The blows delivered didn't look like they had the big wind-up of somebody trying to deliver damage. They looked like they were jabbing at him to get him to move the way they wanted as they got him restrained.

iii) If you've ever seen what an out of control European soccer crowd is capable of, and you were the cops, you'd be on edge too.

kracker
27th February 09, 04:30 PM
If you think what the cops did to that guy is a beating, you're a pussy.

I care about my fellow human beings. Excuse me for having a pulse. Could it have been worse? For sure. Was it in any way warranted or necessary? Not a chance.

kracker
27th February 09, 04:36 PM
You call that a fucking beating?

Holy shit you're a pussy.

Get a job as a bouncer or security guard for a while. Unless your character is so weak that you're afraid you will be corrupted by such a DIRTY job.

I wouldn't be corrupted by a dirty job. I'd make an awesome cop if there were no such thing as arrest quotas. Bouncer and security guard is very different but I'd still make every effort to live and let live unless it was absolutely necessary.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 04:39 PM
I wouldn't be corrupted by a dirty job. I'd make an awesome cop if there were no such thing as arrest quotas.

Do you understand the concept of "arrest quota" isn't a magical fucking number that pops out of thin air?

Cullion
27th February 09, 04:42 PM
I do agree that arrest quotas can lead to bad policing. Britain was policed best when most policing was preventative, in the form of community patrols.

elipson
27th February 09, 04:43 PM
Was it in any way warranted or necessary? Not a chance.

Was WHAT warranted???? They held him down and poked him with the baton a few times! That's hardly enough to get a reaction from someone when they are fighting with you.

Anyone else here think that kracker is an only child? Because anyone with a brother KNOWS what an actual beating is.

HappyOldGuy
27th February 09, 04:53 PM
I care about my fellow human beings. Excuse me for having a pulse. Could it have been worse? For sure. Was it in any way warranted or necessary? Not a chance.

How exactly do you suggest police get a rowdy drunk in position to put the cuffs on without exerting so much force that it offends your delicate sensibilities.

kracker
27th February 09, 04:55 PM
Because ultimately when shit hits the fan cops by nature of their job are going to be standing between that pissed off crowd and you.

I'm being cliche and ripping off grossman like every other douch but police officers are sheepdogs. You're a sheep. Some other people out there are wolves.

Sheep don't like sheep dogs. They think their a nussiance and would rather them not be around. Annoying, bark a lot, get in the way, try and keep order in the flock when sheep just wanna wander around. They like to go through life pretending there are no wolves.

Thing is there ARE wolves and when a pack of wolves start trying to circle a flock of sheep all those frightened sheep go from disliking the stupid annoying sheep dog to trying to hide behind them.

I didn't hurt anyone, why would the crowd want to get me. The crowd are not wolves. They were sheepdogs protecting a defeseless sheep from being ripped into by 4 wolves. Did anyone notice that once the police left the crowd didn't implode into an orgy of raping and killing each other.

Phrost
27th February 09, 04:59 PM
How exactly do you suggest police get a rowdy drunk in position to put the cuffs on without exerting so much force that it offends your delicate sensibilities.

The power of HOPE.

Turn in your DNC card.

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 04:59 PM
I didn't hurt anyone, why would the crowd want to get me. The crowd are not wolves. They were sheepdogs protecting a defeseless sheep from being ripped into by 4 wolves.

No the police were there to protect the players from the fans, which they did and admirably might I add.


Did anyone notice that once the police left the crowd didn't implode into an orgy of raping and killing each other
Yes.
Because riots always last 1 minute 36 seconds.

And feature multiple camera shot angles, neatly edited as this package was.

kracker
27th February 09, 04:59 PM
How exactly do you suggest police get a rowdy drunk in position to put the cuffs on without exerting so much force that it offends your delicate sensibilities.


I was at a football game with a streaker once. They just grabbed him and escorted him off the field. He was no threat to anyone, there was no need for batons.

kracker
27th February 09, 05:00 PM
No the police were there to protect the players from the fans, which they did and admirably might I add.
.

In case you didn't notice it was a player who threw the first flying knee.

HappyOldGuy
27th February 09, 05:13 PM
I was at a football game with a streaker once. They just grabbed him and escorted him off the field. He was no threat to anyone, there was no need for batons.

Well this one very blatantly didn't go quietly. So what should they do?

Spade: The Real Snake
27th February 09, 05:13 PM
In case you didn't notice it was a player who threw the first flying knee.

Convenient of you to ignore everyone else's posts.

And in case you didn't notice, fans have no business on the field.

If he wasn't trespassing, he wouldn't have caught the knee.

kracker
27th February 09, 05:33 PM
Convenient of you to ignore everyone else's posts.
.

What would you like to know? Who specifically did I ignore.

socratic
27th February 09, 05:41 PM
European football mobs are fucking nuts and will fuck you and anything that looks like you up, like the crazy fuckers they are.

That said, anyone who attacks a police officer has forfeited their life. Reason number 1: It's illegal. Reason number 2: It authorises the officer or his colleagues to utalise lethal force in defence.

Everyone should know better than to attack police officers. I just hope there was some serious teargassing of that lot.

Yeah, those guys forfeited their lives. And fuck that goalie too for attacking first. What the hell?

Shawarma
27th February 09, 06:00 PM
I wish to point something out. You, kracker, appear to believe that the guys rushing in to defend the streaker were motivated by social justice. What I saw was 1 or 2 guys who perhaps thought the police were a bit rough with the chap and about 20 guys who rushed in to join in the fun and stomp themselves some copper so they could brag about it later down at the local pub.

This is not social justice delivered unto The Man by The People, this is mob rule, cunt hooligan edition.

Note how a few guys take a single kick at the cop and then run away so's not to have to face the music. Assholes.

FriendlyFire
27th February 09, 07:03 PM
So a guy refuses to let himself be handcuffed, so they poke him. That deserves an attack from a mob? What the cops did won't even bruise a person. Kracker you are a lunatic.

elipson
27th February 09, 07:17 PM
Kracker. You are aware that fans sometimes run onto the field and attack players or referees at sports events, right?

You are aware of that right?

WarPhalange
27th February 09, 09:56 PM
http://www.tooshocking.com/videos/6041/Fans_Get_Even_With_Riot_Police

4 police beat the crap out of a guy running across the field using obviously unnecessary force. This in itself is not news. The news is that they actually got a severe reprimand for it. Not from the injustice system but just good old fashioned public outrage. Notice how quickly order is restored when they are chased away. Also notice how they scatter like cowards and leave their friend to face the music all by himself. This is what happens when police push too hard for too long with no consequences.

Awesome. Fuck all the other people that got hurt in the mob fight, a police man was slightly bruised!

sochin101
28th February 09, 10:29 AM
Kracker...

1] What country did this take place in?
2] When did this take place?
3] What teams were playing?
4] What is the record of both teams with regard to crowd violence in the last 10 years?
5] Did any of the players face action for assault?
6] Did you think the 'fan' was justified in invading the pitch armed with an improvised weapon?
7] After he was caught, why do you think the criminal resisted?

I ask these questions just to establish that you know what you're talking about, and you didn't just see a video and think "yezah, fu' the popo, mayne".

Cullion
28th February 09, 10:33 AM
Exactly. I don't think Kracker has any handle on what European soccer violence is really about.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th February 09, 10:58 AM
Can we start a round of "Ape Calls" to Kracker?

elipson
28th February 09, 02:44 PM
Kracker doesn't know what any kind of violence is all about.

He seems to think mobs of people are all disciplined law biding church goers who would never hurt a fly.

WarPhalange
28th February 09, 03:09 PM
Exactly. I don't think Kracker has any handle on what European soccer violence is really about.
When I lived in Poland I remember stories of "szalikowcy" -- literally "scarfers" -- who were fans that would wrap scarves around their faces during soccer games and incite riots essentially. Little shits who wanted to look tough, but not tough enough that they would be caught and punished for it. Do you understand this, Kracker? They would go there with the intent of starting a riot. It is easy enough to get really worked up over a soccer game in Europe, but when you egg people on, it's easy to have the shit hit the fan. Lots of people getting hurt.

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Notice the scarves wrapped around their mouths to prevent identification? Notice how the police are on the defensive? Notice how these people are intent on creating havoc without an actual goal?

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Spade: The Real Snake
28th February 09, 03:41 PM
Well, yeah...but in Poland they start riots in their own stadiums.

Marrt
28th February 09, 03:43 PM
Kracker...

1] What country did this take place in?
2] When did this take place?
3] What teams were playing?
4] What is the record of both teams with regard to crowd violence in the last 10 years?
5] Did any of the players face action for assault?
6] Did you think the 'fan' was justified in invading the pitch armed with an improvised weapon?
7] After he was caught, why do you think the criminal resisted?

I ask these questions just to establish that you know what you're talking about, and you didn't just see a video and think "yezah, fu' the popo, mayne".

Fuck... or just get the main part of the story right... like - they're security guards who work for Protectas which is printed across the backs of their jackets - not cops....

I think your blinkers are actually covering your eyes not just limiting your perspective.

WarPhalange
28th February 09, 03:44 PM
My second video was of Polaks starting a riot in Lithuania. :)

BTW, I guess I am missing something here, but what does the stadium they start it in have to do with anything?

HappyOldGuy
28th February 09, 03:48 PM
Fuck... or just get the main part of the story right... like - they're security guards who work for Protectas which is printed across the backs of their jackets - not cops....


So wait. You mean they are bouncers?

GuiltySpark
28th February 09, 03:51 PM
I'd love to be a riot cop and spend all day tasing and cracking the heads of those rioters.
In the second idea above I was praying the horse cops wound line up abreast and trample the crowd. What a bunch of Krackers.
At 6 minutes the one dude got trampled pretty good didn't have much fight left in him after that.

Marrt
28th February 09, 03:55 PM
So wait. You mean they are bouncers?

In essence yes, it was a "friendly" that was played in Geneva in 2004 between a Portuguese team and a Swiss team. The OP's clip was the newstory broadcast on Portuguese TV.

Spade: The Real Snake
28th February 09, 03:58 PM
BTW, I guess I am missing something here, but what does the stadium they start it in have to do with anything?

If you are going to riot, don't fuck up your own stadium....fuck up someone elses.

That's like going ice fishing and shitting your pants so you can have a warm place to sit.

EuropIan
28th February 09, 04:04 PM
Well, if the match is in your home town. The usual thing to do is to lure the opposing hooligans away from the stadium.

SFGOON
28th February 09, 04:37 PM
The title of this thread needs to be changed to something befitting the idiocy of the OP. Something like "Kracker is a misguided keyboard anarchist." And, this thread needs to be moved to CTC.

WarPhalange
28th February 09, 10:34 PM
If you are going to riot, don't fuck up your own stadium....fuck up someone elses.

That's like going ice fishing and shitting your pants so you can have a warm place to sit.

I never said these people are smart.