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Knave
25th February 09, 02:05 PM
Greetings.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/two_people_shot_on_st_charles.html


Motive unclear in Mardi Gras shooting on St. Charles Avenue parade route
by Laura Maggi, The Times-Picayune
Tuesday February 24, 2009, 9:05 PM

MICHAEL DeMOCKER / The Times-PicayuneOn Mardi Gras Day, 2009, Louis Lazone (L), 18, and Mark Brooks (R), 19, are escorted to central lock-up after being arrested on seven counts of attempted first degree murder following the shooting on St. Charles Avenue at Second Street which injured seven people, including a 20-month-old child.

Seven people, including a toddler, were injured in a Mardi Gras afternoon shooting along the St. Charles Avenue parade route, as truck floats passed just yards away.

The shootings happened about 1:40 p.m. near the intersection of St. Charles with Second Street, on the opposite side of the neutral ground as the passing floats. Two alleged shooters were quickly apprehended by New Orleans Police Department officers who had been stationed along the route and were able to chase them on foot.

Police had no motive for why the shooting broke out in broad daylight as revelers crowded the streets. Not long after the shooting, Deputy Chief Kirk Bouyelas said it appeared that the victims were all bystanders.

"The important thing to note is that the officers were here at the scene and quick to respond," Bouyelas said.
Police Chief Warren Riley Comment on Parade Shooting

Of the seven victims, two were listed in serious condition late Tuesday. They are both men around 20 who were shot in the abdomen, according to Jeb Tate with New Orleans EMS.

The five others suffered less serious wounds, according to police and EMS. They include a 20-month-old boy with a graze wound to the back; a 17-year-old girl shot in the thigh; a 50-year-old woman shot in the elbow; a 15-year-old boy with a graze wound to his back and a 30-year-old man with a graze wound to the thigh.

Several people near the scene reported hearing the "pop, pop, pop" of multiple gunshots. Agnes White said she hid behind the trunk of a large tree at the corner as police officers ran by on the sidewalk.

Dr. Jim Parry, 41, a surgeon, was with his two children on ladders catching beads from passing truck floats when he heard the shots. He turned around, saw a man lying in the middle of the street and ran to provide assistance. The man had been shot in the abdomen.

"He kept asking me, 'Was I shot? Was I shot?'ยค" Parry said.

Eventually the paramedics arrived and took over for the Air Force reservist, who will be deployed to Afghanistan this summer.

"Damn, this is more dangerous than Afghanistan," he said.

Uptown resident Beau Beals, 45, was outside a house party on St. Charles Avenue just a block away from the shooting.

Beals, who was standing in front of an iron fence with other parade goers, said he saw a group of young men in front of the Hedgewood Surgical Center at 2427 St. Charles, facing the crowd on the neutral ground. That's when he heard about nine pops and saw smoke. Moments later, he noticed a man lying in the street.

Upon hearing all the commotion, NOPD officer Sabrina Richardson, who had been hired to provide security at the party Beals was attending, pushed some of the people inside of the house and bolted outdoors to the scene, he said. Beals and other party attendees tossed children over a metal fence to get them to safety.

Not long after the shooting, people went back to focusing on the parade, he said.

"There was an ambulance that was picking up a guy off the street and people didn't even stop vying for throws," Beals said.

By early Tuesday evening, police booked the two suspects, who were apprehended at Carondelet and Second streets. Bouyelas said three guns were taken from the two men, identified as 20-year-old Mark Brooks and 18-year-old Louis Lazone. Each was booked with seven counts of attempted first-degree murder.
Michael DeMocker / The Times-PicayunePolice look for shell casings next to a car where a man was shot multiple times around 8 p.m. at a gas station on Canal Street at North Galvez.

Later in the evening, police reported three other shootings: a man shot in the hip in the 900 block of North Tonti Street, a woman shot in the side in the 2600 block of Josephine Street and a man shot multiple times inside of a vehicle at Canal and North Galvez streets.

Richardson, a public information officer, said the victims from Tonti and Josephine streets were both taken to the hospital and their wounds were classified as non-fatal. She could not provide the condition of the third victim.


IMO, this goes back to my rant about people who have nothing to lose. These guys have extensive criminal records (at age 18 and 20 btw) and I guarantee they had extensive juvenile records as well. But nothing is done to juveniles in this country except in the most heinous of crimes. Everyone is so worried about the ill effects of putting a teenager through five months of boot camp for breaking the law, as if that's even really some kind of punishment, that people tend to forget about the ill effects of just slapping these kids on the wrist to the point that they think it's all a joke.

And we can only hope that the police didn't rough them up too much after chasing the dipshits down lest the families of these "victims" of police brutality see the potential for settlement checks.

Meh.

Sun Wukong
25th February 09, 02:17 PM
Dude, have you ever lived anywhere near New Orleans? Urban youth crimes are insanely common place.

There just aren't enough positive role models for those kids to look up to. It's not an issue of not punishing them hard enough, it's an issue of being raised surrounded by people with no moral or ethical integrity offering appealing solutions to their problems.

You're blaming this shit on the juvenile courts, but the real under-lying foes here are far more complicated. Besides, juvenile court in the state of Louisiana aren't exactly known for giving slaps on the wrist unless you happen to know the judge, prosecutor or local police= which usually means you're white and privileged. That state is fucking corrupt as hell.

No good role models, a crap economy, no good way out of the shit they were born into. If you aren't gifted academically, or athletically you don't have a chance if you're born in a bad neighborhood in N.O.

Spade: The Real Snake
25th February 09, 02:23 PM
I blame George W. Bush, somehow.

HappyOldGuy
25th February 09, 02:42 PM
You have no fucking idea how hilarious the notion that incarceration makes kids less criminal is to someone who has worked in YA.

Zendetta
25th February 09, 02:51 PM
You have no fucking idea how hilarious the notion that incarceration makes kids less criminal is to someone who has worked in YA.

well sure, if you let 'em out!

HappyOldGuy
25th February 09, 03:26 PM
well sure, if you let 'em out!
Seriously, in a purely efficient system, you would just shoot them instead.

Think for a second about junior high. Think about the nastiest, most vicious bully in your junior high. Turn him up a notch or three. Now imagine you are locked in a facility with a hundred like that, 24 hours a day, with minimal supervision, for a year or two. During the most formative years of your life.

What comes out isn't corrected, it's permanently broken. Now some kids are already that way, and you have to do something with them, but the notion that we should lock up kids who commit minor crimes because that is how you make them not commit crimes is fucking batshit insane.

Edit: that was for OP's benefit, I'm sure zen knows this.

Spade: The Real Snake
25th February 09, 03:33 PM
Seriously, in a purely efficient system, you would just shoot them instead.

Think for a second about junior high. Think about the nastiest, most vicious bully in your junior high. Turn him up a notch or three. Now imagine you are locked in a facility with a hundred like that, 24 hours a day, with minimal supervision, for a year or two. During the most formative years of your life.

What comes out isn't corrected, it's permanently broken. Now some kids are already that way, and you have to do something with them, but the notion that we should lock up kids who commit minor crimes because that is how you make them not commit crimes is fucking batshit insane.

Edit: that was for OP's benefit, I'm sure zen knows this.


add some Closed Circuit PPV and we might have a deal

Zendetta
25th February 09, 04:29 PM
Seriously, in a purely efficient system...

Did you work for California Youth Authority? Sweet Jeebus, what a flaming goatfuck.

You are totally right about it being prep school for predators.

Robot Jesus
25th February 09, 04:37 PM
but, but, if you beat people they become better citizens:(

HappyOldGuy
25th February 09, 04:43 PM
Did you work for California Youth Authority? Sweet Jeebus, what a flaming goatfuck.

You are totally right about it being prep school for predators.
I worked for a company that ran private facilities with contracts including the CYA.

I thought I could help people.

I got better.

WarPhalange
25th February 09, 11:53 PM
Everyone is so worried about the ill effects of putting a teenager through five months of boot camp for breaking the law, as if that's even really some kind of punishment, that people tend to forget about the ill effects of just slapping these kids on the wrist to the point that they think it's all a joke.

You're right for once. 5 months of bootcamp would have stopped them from being psychopathic killers and instead turned them into the future business leaders of America.

The problem here isn't people that are afraid to punish their kids, it's people who are too stupid to connect the fucking dots.

I don't know if you know this, if you can understand this, but people don't become ruthless killers because they got away with stealing change from a car or shoplifting a DVD.

Phrost
25th February 09, 11:56 PM
Juvenile crime is the fault of shitty parenting. Shitty parenting is the fault of people who shouldn't have children.

Let's follow this to its logical conclusion.

HappyOldGuy
26th February 09, 12:01 AM
Juvenile crime is the fault of shitty parenting. Shitty parenting is the fault of people who shouldn't have children.

Let's follow this to its logical conclusion.

If you've got the crystal ball, I've got the shears.

WarPhalange
26th February 09, 12:28 AM
Juvenile crime is the fault of shitty parenting. Shitty parenting is the fault of people who shouldn't have children.

Let's follow this to its logical conclusion.

This is a lot more sound than saying "Punishment for young kids is not harsh. Two young kids just shot a bunch of people. Therefore, harsher punishments would have stopped those two kids from shooting a bunch of people."

There is no way you can make a conclusion from those two premises. You'd first have to show real evidence proving that harsher crimes actually stop juveniles from committing crimes.

mrblackmagic
26th February 09, 05:56 PM
A person who shoots into a crowd of people in broad daylight, with literally hundreds of witnesses around is more than just the product of bad parenting.

SW has teh correct.

SFGOON
27th February 09, 11:09 AM
If you've got the crystal ball, I've got the shears.

If you've got the free STD clinic, I've got the teratogen(s.)



Mutants! M'bleh heh heh heh heh!

Cullion
4th March 09, 09:06 AM
Juvenile crime is the fault of shitty parenting. Shitty parenting is the fault of people who shouldn't have children.

Let's follow this to its logical conclusion.

You want to genetically screen people for low IQ, predisposition to violent behaviour or substance abuse and then sterilise people who score too low before allowing them to collect welfare?

WarPhalange
4th March 09, 02:03 PM
No, but a simple "can you adequately take care of the child?" would be great. The proof would have to be stable income, or at least probable income in the case of a business owner. That by itself already shows that the child will probably be fed, and having a stable job means that the parent(s) have some sort of sense or responsibility.

My mom works at McDonald's for minimum wage. She told me how a few days ago she was taking her lunch break in her car and someone walks up to her and asks if she gets free drinks for working there. After saying that she does, the lady says she'd never work at McDonald's because it's a shitty job. My mom asks if the lady has a job. No, she doesn't. Guess who pays for her to stay alive?

Similarly, my parents' friend has a son who has a kid. He works construction where he can find it. She doesn't work at all. Hasn't finished High-School. She doesn't cook. She literally has nothing to do all day, but she still won't find a job. Is that a sign of a good parent? How about this: she doesn't want to get the child (who is several years old now) vaccinated because people used to live their entire lives without any vaccinations and they were fine.

I don't think people should be screened based on genetics or even IQ, but on responsibility and being able to provide the child with even the most basic needs. A job by itself isn't a good indicator of this, because there are rich shitty parents all the time, but you're a lot more likely to have a kid with a shitty life if s/he is born to a family that has deadbeat parents who don't work or can't keep a job and meals aren't regular. Look at the screening you have to go through to adopt a child. There is absolutely nothing like that in place for naturally having a child.

The problem is we can't enforce this in any way. The people who are deadbeats won't give a fuck about the law anyway. What, a fine? They get foodstamps. What can you possibly take away from them? Forced abortions? Mandatory birth-control? How? Taking the kid away by force? Very barbaric and would never be accepted by anybody; I'm sure even Phrost wouldn't agree to it.

HappyOldGuy
4th March 09, 02:10 PM
My mom works at McDonald's for minimum wage.

So what you're saying is you should never have been born?

WarPhalange
4th March 09, 02:26 PM
My dad has a job that brings in about $50k/year.

Zendetta
4th March 09, 03:30 PM
BTW, Planned Parenthood has its roots in the Eugenics Movement.

Jus' sayin'.

WarPhalange
4th March 09, 03:39 PM
Yup. Wasn't it targeted towards black people?


In any case, doesn't mean it's a bad thing now that it's been re-educated.

HappyOldGuy
4th March 09, 03:40 PM
BTW, Planned Parenthood has its roots in the Eugenics Movement.

Jus' sayin'.

The ACLU grew out of the communist party.

[Yeah, bring it bitches]

TM
4th March 09, 03:45 PM
Thanks for creeping me out Zendetta.

For me in the final analysis you are what you make of yourself. Adversity should be a hardening tool, not an excuse for abhorant behavior, ie. if someone treats you horribly and you go out and do it to someone else rather than use it as an example of how not to be you're a dickweed with no character.

Zendetta
4th March 09, 07:19 PM
Yup. Wasn't it targeted towards black people?

Not so much black people as feeble-minded hillbillies. But they probably experienced "mission creep".