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Spade: The Real Snake
8th January 09, 02:20 PM
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/fresh-greens/2009/01/06/california-may-ban-big-screen-tvs.html

California May Ban Big Screen TVs


State legislators in California are drafting regulations that may prevent California retailers from selling power-sucking big screen TVs by 2011. It's a move that, according to EcoGeek, may eliminate plasma screen TVs from the market there, as they're less efficient than LCDs (though, inch-for-inch, both TVs are more efficient than cathode ray TVs - they're just bigger). Retailers are upset that the regulations would send customers to neighboring states, or online, for purchases.

Says the LA TIMES:

The consumer electronics industry opposes the regulations, expected to pass in mid-2009, and claims that they could remove some TVs from store shelves and slightly boost sticker prices.
But the California Energy Commission is looking for ways to relieve the strain on the power grid. Officials say the standards, once fully in place, would reduce the state's annual energy needs by an amount equivalent to the power consumed by 86,400 homes.

During a peak viewing time when most sets are on, such as the Super Bowl, TVs in the state collectively suck up the equivalent of 40% of the power generated by the San Onofre nuclear power station running at full capacity. Televisions account for about 10% of the average Californian's monthly household electricity bill.


Tim Haab of Environmental Economics, takes issue with a claim that the California economy would be boosted by the move. "How will the economy be boosted? By raising the price on TVs? By decreasing the sales of new TVs? I'm missing something. I don't know, but my economic senses always tingle when I see claims that new regulation will boost economic growth. The logic seems flawed to me."


Jaymi Heimbuch of TreeHugger thinks the regulations would help consumers make choices - if you can even call the result of this "choice": "The new rules would go a long way in helping consumers make energy efficient choices - they'd be the only choices available."


Meanwhile, Hank Green of EcoGeek, believes that consumer should pay for their eco-unfriendly choices: "Really, if you want your entire living room wall to be a television screen...you should be willing to pay a few extra dollars for it."
Hard to believe there hasn't been more of a fuss from consumers about this yet. Plenty of other appliances have tough energy standards, but we're certainly more sensitive about our home theaters. Should California be able to restrict consumers' choices for the good of the grid?

Knave
8th January 09, 02:29 PM
Greetings.


"Really, if you want your entire living room wall to be a television screen...you should be willing to pay a few extra dollars for it."

My entire living room wall is already a "television screen" and it cost me alot less than those puny 50" LCDs or plasmas.

sochin101
8th January 09, 02:41 PM
[email protected] dumbass reactionary tree huggers.

Sharp make 1 solar panel for every LCD panel they produce. Carbon Neutrality in it's purest form.

LCD tvs use less juice than the old CRT type, so maybe the treehuggers should start lobbying to give everyone a flatscreen.
Along with medicinal maryjane and free karma intections.

fes_fsa
8th January 09, 02:58 PM
god this is idiotic... when people try to get the local or federal government to regulate a legal luxury purchased by private consumers. some people just don't think.

and what about poor people? poor people can only afford shitty TVs and this law will leave them without entertainment.

on a sidenote, sochin: they're making it a standard to put an LCD in every apartment of my in-law's apartment complex.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th January 09, 03:01 PM
god this is idiotic... when people try to get the local or federal government to regulate a legal luxury purchased by private consumers. some people just don't think.

and what about poor people? poor people can only afford shitty TVs and this law will leave them without entertainment.

on a sidenote, sochin: they're making it a standard to put an LCD in every apartment of my in-law's apartment complex.


We give the poor little street urchins our old cathode ray tube TVs and force them to buy the GUBBERMINTS digital set top box.

Like Ebeneezer Scrooge throwing a coin to buy the biggest goose in all of London.

WarPhalange
8th January 09, 03:04 PM
There's no telling what kind of technology we'll have by 2011. Look at how much more efficient cell phones are now than some 5 years ago. It could very well be a useless move, which would be the best-case scenario of this. Worst case would be stores going out of business because they can't sell any good TV's.

fes_fsa
8th January 09, 03:05 PM
if this ban passes... i know what I'M investing in....

Steve
8th January 09, 03:05 PM
Yeah, they did that last year in a complex near where I work: Each unit comes with a 42" HD tv.

And yes, I know I don't live in CA. Sucks to be you guys. <3

fes_fsa
8th January 09, 03:06 PM
i don't have to go out of state to buy anything. i've got 4 LCD's in my house. 2 of them are computer screens.

Spade: The Real Snake
8th January 09, 03:10 PM
I will age myself here:

I was in college in 1991 and my "Emerging Technologies" professor was discussing the revolutionary concepts of:

~having an encyclopedia on a CD sized disc

~ having a satellite dish the size of a pizza pan on top of your TV to pull in ALL the channels those huge dishes in the backyards get

~ having a TV with three times the resolution, equal to a 35mm photo, of current TVs

all were supposed to be in place no later then 1995, if the US could work out the resolution ratios with Japan and Europe as the idea was to be able to watch programs from all over the world, NTSC and PAL be damned.

jubei33
8th January 09, 03:55 PM
one of my professors wanted bubble memory to be the hot thing by 2010. still waiting and there's still time.

fes_fsa
8th January 09, 04:01 PM
bubble memory.... like in comics?

Robot Jesus
8th January 09, 04:46 PM
why would anyone buy a plasma now anyway?

Spade: The Real Snake
8th January 09, 04:49 PM
The line of reasoning *used* to be they have a greater definition of true black, but I don't know anymore if this is the case.

Truculent Sheep
9th January 09, 07:11 AM
There's something else being missed here: the more flatscreens are bought, the cheaper and more efficiently they will be produced as money is pumped into R&D. This could bring secondary benefits in the form of spin-off technologies, but would also ensure that the TVs would be less and less damaging to the environment, maybe even carbon neutral. So we all get HD TV and the ecology loons get to shut up - it's good news all round.

sochin101
9th January 09, 07:57 AM
why would anyone buy a plasma now anyway?


The line of reasoning *used* to be they have a greater definition of true black, but I don't know anymore if this is the case.

Pains me to say it, but Aardvarks is right.

Because LCD is back-lit, you can't get a true black, and the dark tones can look 'muddy', purists say plasma is better.
There are LED backlights now, which are better than standard backlight stuff.

The main reason plasma sells: Plasma's a lot cheaper than LCD, inch for inch.

Spade: The Real Snake
9th January 09, 08:17 AM
There's something else being missed here: the more flatscreens are bought, the cheaper and more efficiently they will be produced as money is pumped into R&D. This could bring secondary benefits in the form of spin-off technologies, but would also ensure that the TVs would be less and less damaging to the environment, maybe even carbon neutral. So we all get HD TV and the ecology loons get to shut up - it's good news all round.



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billy sol hurok
9th January 09, 08:43 AM
There's something else being missed here: the more flatscreens are bought, the cheaper and more efficiently they will be produced as money is pumped into R&D. This could bring secondary benefits in the form of spin-off technologies, but would also ensure that the TVs would be less and less damaging to the environment, maybe even carbon neutral. So we all get HD TV and the ecology loons get to shut up - it's good news all round.

Yes, or the same logic works the other way, if I may advocate for the devil here. Just like greenies like high gas prices (they help stimulate R&D for new energy sources), they also like overpricing of current display technology so that OLEDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode) will develop faster.

Truculent Sheep
9th January 09, 06:02 PM
Yes, or the same logic works the other way, if I may advocate for the devil here. Just like greenies like high gas prices (they help stimulate R&D for new energy sources), they also like overpricing of current display technology so that OLEDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode) will develop faster.

The problem with this approach is that it causes stagnation, or even regression. After all, why bother spending money on R&D if you're making loads of money in order to make up for paying lots of tax? Similar problems emerge from high petrol prices and congestion charges in the UK - it stops things getting better, and often limits things like driving to the rich, who incidentally often tend to be environmentalists...

Robot Jesus
9th January 09, 06:19 PM
Pains me to say it, but Aardvarks is right.

Because LCD is back-lit, you can't get a true black, and the dark tones can look 'muddy', purists say plasma is better.
There are LED backlights now, which are better than standard backlight stuff.

The main reason plasma sells: Plasma's a lot cheaper than LCD, inch for inch.


granted, but plasma loses a quarter of its colour and brightness in the first year.

a purist may be satisfied with slightly higher quality for a brief period of time, but most people wouldn't be.

Spade: The Real Snake
10th January 09, 07:49 AM
Plasma sounds cooler.

billy sol hurok
10th January 09, 08:43 AM
No, Glad_We_Killed_Jebus sounds cooler.

sochin101
10th January 09, 10:39 AM
Plasma is widely available, and cheap...

Like judo.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th January 09, 10:02 AM
and small boobs?

EuropIan
11th January 09, 10:54 AM
and small boobs?
Of variable quality?

Equipoise
11th January 09, 01:46 PM
Could you imagine the headlines of having to arrest somebody for failure to relinquish their large screen tv..... a completely legal possession in the United States? Imagine if the situation escalated to the point of having to use force against the individual for the arrest? wtf.

Wounded Ronin
11th January 09, 02:34 PM
If power is so scarce in California why don't they just raise the cost of power to European levels so that nobody wants to run a large TV?

Equipoise
11th January 09, 03:22 PM
You could always sell a solar setup with the tv for an extra charge. That'd make the eco-terrorists happy.

Spade: The Real Snake
11th January 09, 09:27 PM
How about wind turbines?

There is plenty of blow-hards in California to power that.

EuropIan
14th January 09, 07:24 AM
How about wind turbines?

There is plenty of blow-hards in California to power that.
Nah, blowhards suck, so it equals out.

Equipoise
14th January 09, 10:52 AM
Couldn't you just turn the turbine around then to still harness the energy of smug?

Spade: The Real Snake
14th January 09, 11:08 AM
KALYFOURNYUH: harnessing the energy of self-importance

Plasma
14th January 09, 08:58 PM
Plasma sounds cooler.

Aw, do you have a man-crush on me?


No, Glad_We_Killed_Jebus sounds cooler.


its Proud We Killed Jesus, and I am thinking of making that my permanent user name on Bullshido.

Equipoise
14th January 09, 09:18 PM
Great... you can then deify you're own fragile ego and champion assholery.