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fes_fsa
8th January 09, 01:48 PM
Kulongoski to pursue mileage tax
By Hasso Hering
Albany Democrat-Herald A year ago, the Oregon Department of Transportation announced it had demonstrated that a new way to pay for roads — via a mileage tax and satellite technology — could work.

Now Gov. Ted Kulongoski says he’d like the legislature to take the next step.

As part of a transportation-related bill he has filed for the 2009 legislative session, the governor says he plans to recommend “a path to transition away from the gas tax as the central funding source for transportation.”

What that means is explained on the governor’s website:

“As Oregonians drive less and demand more fuel-efficient vehicles, it is increasingly important that the state find a new way, other than the gas tax, to finance our transportation system.”

According to the policies he has outlined online, Kulongoski proposes to continue the work of the special task force that came up with and tested the idea of a mileage tax to replace the gas tax.

The governor wants the task force “to partner with auto manufacturers to refine technology that would enable Oregonians to pay for the transportation system based on how many miles they drive.”

The online outline adds: “The governor is committed to ensuring that rural Oregon is not adversely affected and that privacy concerns are addressed.”

When the task force’s study and test were in the news in 2006 and 2007, critics worried that the technology could be used to track where vehicles go, not just how far they travel, and that this information would somehow be stored by the government.

In more than one interview with the Democrat-Herald and others, James Whitty, the ODOT official in charge of the project, tried to assure the public that tracking people’s travels was not in the plans.

The task force’s final report came out in November 2007. It was based largely on a field test in which about 300 motorists in the Portland area and two service stations took part over

10 months, ending in March 2007.

A GPS-based system kept track of the in-state mileage driven by the volunteers. When they bought fuel, a device in their vehicles was read, and they paid 1.2 cents a mile and got a refund of the state gas tax of 24 cents a gallon.

The final report detailed the technical aspects of the program. It also stressed the issue of privacy.

“The concept requires no transmission of vehicle travel locations, either in real time or of travel history,” the report said. “Accordingly, no travel location points are stored within the vehicle or transmitted elsewhere. Thus there can be no ‘tracking’ of vehicle movements.”

Also, the report said, under the Oregon concept of the program, “ODOT would have no involvement in developing the on-vehicle devices, installing them in vehicles, maintaining them or having any other access to them except, perhaps, in situations involving tampering or similar fee evasion activities.”

Equipment for the Oregon test was developed at Oregon State University.

Whitty said last year it might take about $20 million to establish that the mileage tax is commercially viable. Eventually, GPS devices would have to start being built into cars, and fueling stations would have to be similarly equipped.

The gas tax would stay in force — Kulongoski has proposed that it be raised 2 cents — for vehicles not equipped to pay the mileage tax.
link (http://www.dhonline.com/articles/2008/12/28/news/local/1aaa02_road.txt)


no point buying an electric car if they're going to tax you on the number of miles you drive. and they already tax gaseline for cars so a gas powered car would be getting double taxed. best to just stay at home i guess. any company that has to truck in supplies or has a delivery service will have to raise their prices to pay for the extra tax.


what's next? air?

Aphid Jones
8th January 09, 03:09 PM
0 justification for this except funding the transportation system; at least they're honest about it.

Oh and it's Obama's fault because he's a Democrat.

WarPhalange
8th January 09, 03:13 PM
Cool, give me my 1MPG car back since it doesn't matter how many gallons I go through apparently, just how far it gets me. That means I can take my tank down to Safeway every day.

lant3rn
8th January 09, 03:18 PM
You really want the gobernment tracking you where ever you go?

jkdbuck76
8th January 09, 05:07 PM
Mileage tax? Fuck them and may they all burn in fucking hell forever.

Cullion
8th January 09, 06:58 PM
we have to let the government track us with satellite technology for the environment!

lollolololol morons

MrBadGuy
8th January 09, 07:21 PM
I'll drive backwards; then THEY'LL pay ME!

HappyOldGuy
8th January 09, 07:37 PM
we have to let the government track us with satellite technology for the environment!

lollolololol morons

While this is indeed a#1 retarded, we're already going to give way more access for max facebook convenience.

It's sad when this isn't the stupidest privacy giveaway.

TM
8th January 09, 07:37 PM
"They want to tax thingy? Not thingy!"

Arhetton
8th January 09, 09:28 PM
theres already a mileage tax.

its called a fuel tax.

morons.

If people drive hybrids, you just increase the tax on whatever the hell they are using as fuel (biodiesel, electricity, etc). Of course that would have adverse effects you'd want to think about and maybe its not worth doing.

Maybe an omnipotent satellite tracking system for every car in the god damn country isn't worth doing either.

Dark Helmet
8th January 09, 09:39 PM
I'll drive backwards; then THEY'LL pay ME!
It didn't work for Ferris Bueller .What makes you think it would work for you?

RaiNnyX4
8th January 09, 10:05 PM
It didn't work for Ferris Bueller .What makes you think it would work for you?

Everything in movies is FAKE. So this will totally work in real life.

WarPhalange
9th January 09, 01:19 AM
Yeah, looks like the reasoning behind that is pretty solid. I'd say it has a good chance of working. Worst-case scenario is you get mileage credit that you can use to drive forward at a later time if you choose.

Dagon Akujin
9th January 09, 09:06 AM
“a path to transition away from the gas tax as the central funding source for transportation.”

El Oh El Oh El!




“a new way, other than the gas tax, ”


El Oh Effing El! Yeah right! Like they'll get rid of it once they instate something new.



replace

OH you guys are killing me!




tracking people’s travels was not in the plans.

Yet.





“requires no transmission of vehicle travel locations"

Requires?




The gas tax would stay in force — Kulongoski has proposed that it be raised 2 cents — for vehicles *** ******** ** *** *** ******* ***.
Fixed it for what they really mean.

Dagon Akujin
9th January 09, 09:08 AM
Hey, I have a better amazing government idea. Let's install cameras in every person's house, along with an imobilizing electric tazer device. There will be no plans to spy on people and it won't require that anybody is watched. It will help the government monitor emergencies only, or protect you if you are being attacked. What a great idea!

MrBadGuy
9th January 09, 10:20 AM
Do motorcyles only have to pay half the tax? (Since they only use 2 wheels?!)

MaverickZ
9th January 09, 11:17 AM
Taxes are good for you. Now bend over.

Cullion
10th January 09, 11:29 AM
we're already going to give way more access for max facebook convenience.

There are differences here. I can choose whether to post something on facebook or not.

I don't update facebook with the fact that somebody drove my car very slowly around the red light district for an hour and then stopped in a secluded country spot for 20 minutes.

I don't post 'Cullion is in a completely different city from the one he told his wife he was staying in for a conference, lol!' in my facebook status.

Even if I did, I wouldn't add thousands of low-ranking police officers, tax inspectors and local government employees and journalists with inside contacts as Facebook friends so that they could randomly trawl through this information to satisfy their curiosity.

Shawarma
10th January 09, 11:30 AM
You're clearly not getting the most out of your Fecesbook account.

HappyOldGuy
10th January 09, 12:21 PM
There are differences here. I can choose whether to post something on facebook or not.

I don't update facebook with the fact that somebody drove my car very slowly around the red light district for an hour and then stopped in a secluded country spot for 20 minutes.

I don't post 'Cullion is in a completely different city from the one he told his wife he was staying in for a conference, lol!' in my facebook status.

Even if I did, I wouldn't add thousands of low-ranking police officers, tax inspectors and local government employees and journalists with inside contacts as Facebook friends so that they could randomly trawl through this information to satisfy their curiosity.
Your kids will

http://www.phonemag.com/buddy-beacon-gps-friend-locator-opens-to-multiple-carriers-facebook-02970.php (http://www.mologogo.com/)

Dagon Akujin
10th January 09, 12:26 PM
I don't post 'Cullion is in a completely different city from the one he told his wife he was staying in for a conference, lol!' in my facebook status.


This has already been used in the states. All it takes is a lawyer to subpoena the information (if the information exists, it is NOT protected). It happened during divorce proceedings by using EZ-Pass toll-booth records to prove that husbands where in completely different places then where they said they were.

Yes, the courts will fuck your rights in the ass so that bitch can get more of your money and take custody of the kids. Why do you think they won't take this information asap?

Sun Wukong
10th January 09, 03:32 PM
We should put a tax on hopes and dreams. If every kid in america had to put a dime in a special tax box everytime they wanted to watch 10 minutes of any childrens programing on TV, we could put back some serious scratch. We could also make all Jr size basketballs coin operated and put turnstiles over every home plate in america; we could even change the rules of every game that in order to win you have to be the first to pitch in $1.05.

Sure, the kids with the wealthier parents will win more often, but isn't that what normally happens anyway?

See, child labor is abominable, but making kids pay to escape the daily tortures of being a kid in a fucked up world is ingenius. The key to national financial success is to make it fun to be part of the solution! AMIRITE????

Cullion
10th January 09, 06:31 PM
What's so bad about child labour?

Why do you want children to avoid work? what's noble about that?

3moose1
11th January 09, 03:03 AM
Yes, the courts will fuck your rights in the ass so that bitch can get more of your money and take custody of the kids. Why do you think they won't take this information asap?

and you're getting married...

WarPhalange
11th January 09, 05:25 AM
Something British.

Shut your god damned mouth! Didn't you Brits learn your lesson the first time? No fucking taxes!!!


Your kids will

http://www.phonemag.com/buddy-beacon-gps-friend-locator-opens-to-multiple-carriers-facebook-02970.php (http://www.mologogo.com/)

God dammit, they are ruining hide-and-seek for future generations!!

EuropIan
11th January 09, 05:31 AM
What's so bad about child labour?

Why do you want children to avoid work? what's noble about that?
Your hatred for the Welch is commendable.

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/741/137874.JPG

WarPhalange
11th January 09, 05:33 AM
Looks like you found a good use for zombies. I think they already did that in Shawn of the Dead, though.

EuropIan
11th January 09, 05:34 AM
Your hatred of the Welch is also commendable

WarPhalange
11th January 09, 05:35 AM
The kid on the right reminds me of MJS.

Cullion
11th January 09, 07:01 AM
Why do you call them 'Welch' ?

EuropIan
11th January 09, 07:03 AM
Because I was thinking about grape juice, apparently

Kiko
11th January 09, 07:37 AM
Our brilliant non-elected governor is throwing a whole pile of taxes at us which he says are avoidable since the things being taxed are 'optional'. The list includes SHOES.

Let him run around barefoot in Albany!!

3moose1
11th January 09, 01:19 PM
Jesus, and i thought Granholm was bad...

Shawarma
12th January 09, 06:06 AM
Welch. Mmmm....
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/images/_raquel-welch-012.jpg