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Crazyman
29th December 08, 05:57 PM
Greetings sociocide! Greetings! While responding to some retarded youtube comments I was challenged to a debate by an apologist. So anyway let the lulz begin!

My argument: In numbers chapter 31 (just read the whole chapter it's only a page or two) the jews capture a city. Moses tells them to kill anyone who either has a dick or has put a dick inside them (dudes and non virgin women). The jews do this and then take the virgin women for themselves so that they can have hot teen on middle aged jew sex... err I mean rape. Finally they offer some of the virgin's up as a human sacrafice to God. All while this is happening God just sits idle and does nothing.

My arguement is that a real God would have stepped in to stop this atrocity, and only a made up God would let this happen. Therefore the God of the bible does not exist.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
29th December 08, 05:59 PM
That sounds pretty consistent with OT God.

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:03 PM
That's a retarded argument. You're argument is based on the premise that God is always kindly and unwilling to sacrifice human life to fulfill his mysterious goals. He does it all the time in the Old Testament.

Basically this 'real' god you've made up is a strawman that's always nice to everybody. It's bullshit.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 06:13 PM
So you are pointing out that a religeous texts might be contradictory.

Ok.
So?

nihilist
29th December 08, 06:14 PM
His argument is that a *real* god would help His/Her creations.

Are you off your meds today, Cullion?

MEGALEF
29th December 08, 06:19 PM
I don't see the point of attempting to reason about god and the bible. Using logic to try and break into the illogical loop of faith just doesn't work.

"God exists cuz God said so in the Bible"

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 06:21 PM
His argument is that a *real* god would help His/Her creations.



Says who?

The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies.

Crazyman
29th December 08, 06:23 PM
That's a retarded argument. You're argument is based on the premise that God is always kindly and unwilling to sacrifice human life to fulfill his mysterious goals. He does it all the time in the Old Testament.

Basically this 'real' god you've made up is a strawman that's always nice to everybody. It's bullshit.

That's not a strawman. I don't think you even know what a strawman is. How is a "real" god a misrepresentation of a christian arguement in order to make it easier to defeat?

Also I love your kneejerk reaction that God doesn't always have to be nice. I guess he can be a giant murderous asshole too. Is a God good because he does the right deeds, or are deeds good because God does them? I say a true God is good because he does only good. Others say that whatever God does no matter how evil it appears must be good because God (who is all good) did them. By that criteria if satan were God, then Satan would be good because everything satan does must be good since satan is all good. Anybody and anything (no matter how evil they appeared) would be holy under that criteria.

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 06:28 PM
Yay, atheist retards and Israel all in one day. There are still 8 hours left before midnight, can we cover abortion and gun control again too?

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:28 PM
His argument is that a *real* god would help His/Her creations.

Are you off your meds today, Cullion?

I'm pointing out that that's a whiney faggot argument to make.

He's made up his own idea of what he would like a God to be and then he's attacking somebody else's conception of God by saying 'hey, that can't be right, it's not like how I think God ought to act'.

You can see that's absurd, no?

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:30 PM
Sorry Crazyman, you're an idiot.

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 06:31 PM
God is real and he is a real asshole. That is becoming my stance more and more instead of "There is no God". I'm seeing that God isn't necessarily cruel, but bored. I can totally see where he's coming from. What would you do if you were omnipotent and immortal? It's like playing the same damn video game all the time. After a while you get bored playing it the "right" way and start goofing off. This is what he is doing to us. Trying to figure out just how stupid we are.

So in conclusion, laugh at God and humanity via online comic strips, courtesy of Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal (http://www.smbc-comics.com/)

In spoiler tags to save space.


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nihilist
29th December 08, 06:31 PM
Cullion, You are wrong in this instance.

An all-powerful being would have no use for vengeance or anger.

You are welcome to argue against this point if you wish.

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:35 PM
Why not? That's an absurd assumption to make. Stop imputing human values to something that is by definition beyond human reason.

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 06:36 PM
Cullion, You are wrong in this instance.

An all-powerful being would have no use for vengeance or anger.

You are welcome to argue against this point if you wish.

I agree with Cullion. An omnipotent being would in fact have infinite anger.

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:39 PM
Well, it could do whatever it felt like. This 'if God existed he'd be nice all the time' is an absurd strawman.

If you want to argue against the existance of God, keep it logical.

Crazyman
29th December 08, 06:39 PM
We're talking about genocide and rape here. Stop acting as if I'm complaining that God made it hot and my ice cream melted.

nihilist
29th December 08, 06:40 PM
Yes and he would also have infinite self-control.

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 06:40 PM
If there's a God, then how come your face is so ugly?

nihilist
29th December 08, 06:42 PM
Well, it could do whatever it felt like. This 'if God existed he'd be nice all the time' is an absurd strawman.

If you want to argue against the existence of God, keep it logical.

What are the reasons an all powerful being would be bothered by misdeeds of that which it set forth?

Let's start there.

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 06:43 PM
We're talking about genocide and rape here. Stop acting as if I'm complaining that God made it hot and my ice cream melted.

Pretty much every religion ever has said that those are gods favorite hobbies.

Seriously dude. You are arguing that horses cannot exist because a horse would have to have antlers.

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:45 PM
It could have any reason at all. You can't infer anything about the preferences or behaviour of a being that by it's very definition defies human reason, so you're wasting your time.

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:46 PM
HoG gets it.

Cullion
29th December 08, 06:48 PM
Crazyman is still a fule tho

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 06:49 PM
That means you can't logically disprove the existence of God, only that of a specific God, such as Zeus or YHWH or whatever. In principle God could exist because square and down. It's beyond human reasoning, of course!

jvjim
29th December 08, 06:55 PM
Crazyman is crazydumb.

Crazyman
29th December 08, 06:55 PM
Why not? That's an absurd assumption to make. Stop imputing human values to something that is by definition beyond human reason.
If your God was named altarboyfucker, and he fucked altarboys up the ass every day you'd be making the same exact argument in defense of that God. Therefore your arguement fails miserably.

nihilist
29th December 08, 06:57 PM
It could have any reason at all. You can't infer anything about the preferences or behaviour of a being that by it's very definition defies human reason, so you're wasting your time.

You are hedging.

jvjim
29th December 08, 06:57 PM
If your God was named altarboyfucker, and he fucked altarboys up the ass every day you'd be making the same exact argument in defense of that God. Therefore your arguement fails miserably.

What the fuck would that have to do with the existance of that god?

jvjim
29th December 08, 07:00 PM
I mean, God doesn't logically exist because there's no proof of his existance. It has nothing to do with the hypocrisy found in such a God's disciples' descriptions of said God.

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 07:02 PM
You are hedging.

I think he's shrubbing, or possibly raised bed grassing.

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 07:05 PM
I mean, God doesn't logically exist because there's no proof of his existance. It has nothing to do with the hypocrisy found in such a God's disciples' descriptions of said God.
Well, when we are ready for the advanced class, we will cover the fact that there is no objective proof of his existence. However most believers rely on subjective experiential proof.

Which proves that not only is god an evil fucker. He is exactly the kind of evil fucker who personally invites everyone to the best party ever held and doesn't tell you.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 07:06 PM
You are hedging.
Do I understand this right?


Which proves that not only is god an evil fucker. He is exactly the kind of evil fucker who personally invites everyone to the best party ever held and doesn't tell you.

Didn't you get the memo?

nihilist
29th December 08, 07:09 PM
You guys keep jumping over the premise.

jvjim
29th December 08, 07:10 PM
Well, when we are ready for the advanced class, we will cover the fact that there is no objective proof of his existence. However most believers rely on subjective experiential proof.

Which proves that not only is god an evil fucker. He is exactly the kind of evil fucker who personally invites everyone to the best party ever held and doesn't tell you.

I mean, I realize their are advanced models, such as those used by Godel, to "prove" God's existance. But; one, those are difficult to understand in any meaningful way; and two, aren't really relevant to the debate we're having here right?

Crazyman
29th December 08, 07:10 PM
Pretty much every religion ever has said that those are gods favorite hobbies.

Seriously dude. You are arguing that horses cannot exist because a horse would have to have antlers.

Well that is all dependant on what your definition of a God is. Not to mention that many religions claim that their God is perfect and good all the while he rapes and kills everybody. It's a bit like saying your horse has antlers four feet wide one second and then saying he walked into a cave opening that was one and a half feet wide the next. It's obvious that you are bullshitting and you have no horse. It's also obvious that religions are bullshitting and there God is imaginary.

jvjim
29th December 08, 07:12 PM
You guys keep jumping over the premise.

OK, to make sure I understand it: 1) The Jeudo-Christian God cannot exist becasue there exists descriptions of that God being malevolent in certain religious texts?

-AND-

2) You like the cock?

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 07:17 PM
I mean, I realize their are advanced models, such as those used by Godel, to "prove" God's existance. But; one, those are difficult to understand in any meaningful way; and two, aren't really relevant to the debate we're having here right?

Not what I'm talking about. The compelling argument for someone who has had a direct experience of the divine is their direct experience. Since all perceptions of reality have to be filtered through our senses, our sense data has to be assumed to be accurate.

But that argument is only compelling for them. The rest of us just saw them smile.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 07:18 PM
you can not take the bible literally.

nihilist
29th December 08, 07:20 PM
The premise is that there are no compelling reasons for an omnipotent being to act like trailer trash.

If you want to argue against that premise then you have to argue at odds and in context with that premise.

jvjim
29th December 08, 07:24 PM
The premise is that there are no compelling reasons for an omnipotent being to act like trailer trash.

If you want to argue against that premise then you have to argue at odds and in context with that premise.

Well, I am trailer trash and my God is a god of vengance and horror and broken down Trans Ams you put your rakes and shit in when it rains.

nihilist
29th December 08, 07:27 PM
You are practically making Crazyman's argument for him.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 07:30 PM
no he exists cuz good stuff.

Crazyman
29th December 08, 07:31 PM
If that is how you feel then you are no better than someone who worships "Altarboyfucker". Also the people that challenged me to a debate would never take the knee jerk response that you are taking. They will try to argue that I've taken Numbers 31 out of context, and that God is indeed good because he does good.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 07:32 PM
Wait what?

You are not getting it.

wow.

nihilist
29th December 08, 07:33 PM
I'm embarrassed for the shoddy skills of my fellow board members.

This is a sad time indeed for Sociocide.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 07:34 PM
Buttsecks.

jvjim
29th December 08, 07:35 PM
I'm embarrassed for the shoddy skills of my fellow board members.

This is a sad time indeed for Sociocide.

Christ you can just be the biggest douche in the universe sometimes.

Cullion
29th December 08, 07:41 PM
If that is how you feel then you are no better than someone who worships "Altarboyfucker". Also the people that challenged me to a debate would never take the knee jerk response that you are taking. They will try to argue that I've taken Numbers 31 out of context, and that God is indeed good because he does good.

Your whole line of argument is flawed. Theirs is too, but that doesn't make you any smarter.

Cullion
29th December 08, 07:46 PM
The premise is that there are no compelling reasons for an omnipotent being to act like trailer trash.

If you want to argue against that premise then you have to argue at odds and in context with that premise.

I think you're playing. That's ok, I'll play along.

There are no compelling reasons for an omnipotent being not to act like Trailer Trash. You're essentially expressing bafflement that an omnipotent being doesn't follow a consistent moral code that a modern liberal can understand or approve of.

Well, God says: 'bite me faggot, do as a I say not as a I do, don't expect to understand any of it, because it's beyond your mortal mind, and if you're real fucking lucky you might not spend an enternity screaming and frying in a giant cave full of demons. Oh, you think Dr. Phil thinks this is unbalanced and psychotic and not how some affluent baby-boomers think I should act cuz death and war and no buttsex? Fuck you, you're going to hell'.

And your best argument to disprove his existence is 'b.. but that can't be true, b.. because it wouldn't be fair'.

Well, boo fucking hoo.

Here endeth the lesson.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/content/images/2007/03/07/stained_glass_close_400x300.jpg

jvjim
29th December 08, 07:49 PM
I think you're playing. That's ok, I'll play along.

There are no compelling reasons for an omnipotent being not to act like Trailer Trash. You're essentially expressing bafflement that an omnipotent being doesn't follow a consistent moral code that a modern liberal can understand or approve of.

Well, God says: 'bite me faggot, do as a I say not as a I do, don't expect to understand any of it, because it's beyond your mortal mind, and if you're real fucking lucky you might not spend an enternity screaming and frying in a giant cave full of demons. Oh, you think Dr. Phil thinks this is unbalanced and psychotic and not how some affluent baby-boomers think I should act cuz death and war and no buttsex? Fuck you, you're going to hell'.

PRAISE JESUS!!!

Oh wait.... you almost got me.

nihilist
29th December 08, 07:50 PM
There are no compelling reasons for an omnipotent being not to act like Trailer Trash. You're essentially expressing bafflement that an omnipotent being doesn't follow a consistent moral code that a modern liberal can understand or approve of.


Vengeance anger and jealousy are inversely proportionate to one's wisdom and intelligence. Are you arguing that the possibility that the ruler of all that is is a tard? Is that what infinite wisdom produces?

Aphid Jones
29th December 08, 07:53 PM
This thread fails.

Crazyman
29th December 08, 07:53 PM
Your arguement boils down to the exact same thing. For you God is a King and rule by law is correct. Therefore the king (God) can kill as many people as he wants, since he is above the law (or the human ideas of right and wrong in God's case). So by your logic the King (God) is not guilty of murder.

In my world however there is rule of law. Not even Kings are above the law. Also if the bible is to be believed God cannot be above human ideas of right and wrong since we ate from the tree of knowledge, and gained his very sense of right and wrong.

Cullion
29th December 08, 07:58 PM
Vengeance anger and jealousy are inversely proportionate to one's wisdom and intelligence.

No they aren't. You and I are much less intelligent and wordly wise than most world leaders, and they start all the wars.

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:00 PM
In my world however there is rule of law. Not even Kings are above the law. Also if the bible is to be believed God cannot be above human ideas of right and wrong since we ate from the tree of knowledge, and gained his very sense of right and wrong.

You still don't get it, do you ?

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:00 PM
Apparently All discussions concerning what infinite knowlede, power and wisdom can produce is irrelevant because as Cullion puts it: "God iz beond yur kumprenshon and he deos whut ever he wants.

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 08:02 PM
No they aren't. You and I are much less intelligent and wordly wise than most world leaders, and they start all the wars.

You actually said that with a straight face? World leaders don't get where they are because they are smart.

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:04 PM
No they aren't. You and I are much less intelligent and wordly wise than most world leaders, and they start all the wars.

You fail once again. Wars are about gaining power and control and the most intelligent people in the world do not use their wisdom and brain power to torture and kill.

That is the domain of people like Bush & Co.

Aphid Jones
29th December 08, 08:04 PM
In my world however there is rule of law. Not even Kings are above the law.
Middle Earth?

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:05 PM
Sorry Poops, but you'd be much less intelligient than most of them too. Even if you really wanted to, you wouldn't be able to manuever yourself into the leadership of a small European country. None of us here likely could.

Infering morality from intelligence is really dumb. I'm amazed Reese did it and that's why I think he's playing.

The Bankers who just made billions looting the public treasury? Smarter than most of us too. Just not real nice guys.

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:06 PM
Cullion's just being purposely obtuse.

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:06 PM
You fail once again. Wars are about gaining power and control and the most intelligent people in the world do not use their wisdom and brain power to torture and kill.

That is the domain of people like Bush & Co.

Bush's inner circle of advisors are both smarter, and less principled, than you. So are many fortune 500 CEOs. It doesn't matter if they aren't as smart as Einstein. They are smarter that us. This is just a fact of life you will have to accept no matter how painful it is.

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 08:07 PM
Sorry Poops, but you'd be much less intelligient than most of them too. Even if you really wanted to, you wouldn't be able to manuever yourself into the leadership of a small European country. None of us here likely could.

What does that have to do with intelligence? Do you think someone like Feynman could have done that? Perhaps Tesla or Edison?

Aphid Jones
29th December 08, 08:09 PM
Would I get in trouble if I spammed this thread with Hip-Hop lyrics?

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:13 PM
What does that have to do with intelligence?

Manipulation of entire population and maneuvering against other cut-throat sonsofbitches attempting the same, getting away with absurd shit and being applauded for it? Yes that takes brains. Intelligence and morality are two seperate traits.


Do you think someone like Feynman could have done that? Perhaps Tesla or Edison?

You've fallen into the trap of Geek-hero worship. They all just worked for the kind of people I'm talking about.

Do you accept the premise that there are at least some people smarter than you who are less principled than you?

Hand on heart, do you?

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:18 PM
Bush's inner circle of advisors are both smarter, and less principled, than you. So are many fortune 500 CEOs. It doesn't matter if they aren't as smart as Einstein. They are smarter that us. This is just a fact of life you will have to accept no matter how painful it is.

What is the impetus for a supposed God to create imperfect creatures for the purpose of watching them struggle and suffer?

Are you suggesting that God was buggered as a child and has some underlying neuroses?

Aphid Jones
29th December 08, 08:20 PM
Are we talking about Judaic demiurges only?


What that nigga want God?
Word up, look out for the cops (Wu-Tang five finger shit)
(Cash Rules) Word up, two for fives over here baby
Word up, two for fives them niggaz got garbage down the way, word up
KnowhatI'msayin?
(Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M. get...)
Yeah, check this ol fly shit out
Word up
(Cash Rules Everything Around Me) Take you on a natural joint
(C.R.E.A.M. get the money) Here we here we go
(dolla dolla bill y'all) Check this shit, yo!

I grew up on the crime side, the New York Times side
Staying alive was no jive
At second hands, moms bounced on old men
So then we moved to Shaolin land
A young youth, yo rockin the gold tooth, 'Lo goose
Only way, I begin to gee off was drug loot
And let's start it like this son, rollin with this one
And that one, pullin out gats for fun
But it was just a dream for the teen, who was a fiend
Started smokin woolies at sixteen
And running up in gates, and doing hits for high stakes
Making my way on fire escapes
No question I would speed, for cracks and weed
The combination made my eyes bleed
No question I would flow off, and try to get the dough all
Sticking up white boys in ball courts
My life got no better, same damn 'Lo sweater
Times is ruff and tuff like leather
Figured out I went the wrong route
So I got with a sick ass click and went all out
Catchin keys from across seas
Rollin in MPV's, every week we made forty G's
Yo nigga respect mine, or anger the tech nine
Ch-chick-POW! Move from the gate now

Cash, Rules, Everything, Around, Me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all

It's been twenty-two long hard years of still strugglin
Survival got me buggin, but I'm alive on arrival
I peep at the shape of the streets
And stay awake to the ways of the world cause shit is deep
A man with a dream with plans to make C.R.E.A.M.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck sellin drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacin -- going up state's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so ruff
But as the world turns I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
Everyday I escape from Jakes givin chase, sellin base
Smokin bones in the staircase
Though I don't know why I chose to smoke sess
I guess that's the time when I'm not depressed
But I'm still depressed, and I ask what's it worth?
Ready to give up so I seek the Old Earth
Who explained working hard may help you maintain
to learn to overcome the heartaches and pain
We got stickup kids, corrupt cops, and crack rocks
and stray shots, all on the block that stays hot
Leave it up to me while I be living proof
To kick the truth to the young black youth
But shorty's running wild smokin sess drinkin beer
And ain't trying to hear what I'm kickin in his ear
Neglected, but now, but yo, it gots to be accepted
That what? That life is hectic

Niggas gots to do what they gotta do, to get a bill
YaknowhatI'msayin?
Cuz we can't just get by no more
Word up, we gotta get over, straight up and down

Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M.
get the money
Dolla dolla bill y'aauhhhaaaauhhhhahhhauhhhhll, YEAH

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:20 PM
BTW, The wisdom, knowledge and power of the creator of the universe has to be at least 49% greater than your average CEO.

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:21 PM
What is the impetus for a supposed God to create imperfect creatures for the purpose of watching them struggle and suffer?

epic lulz?

Crazyman
29th December 08, 08:23 PM
Hey cullion, simply saying "You still don't get it do you?" is not a refutation of my point. You fail miserably.

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:24 PM
epic lulz?


That is the domain of Satan.

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:27 PM
Are we talking about Judaic demiurges only?


What that nigga want God?
Word up, look out for the cops (Wu-Tang five finger shit)
(Cash Rules) Word up, two for fives over here baby
Word up, two for fives them niggaz got garbage down the way, word up
KnowhatI'msayin?
(Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M. get...)
Yeah, check this ol fly shit out
Word up
(Cash Rules Everything Around Me) Take you on a natural joint
(C.R.E.A.M. get the money) Here we here we go
(dolla dolla bill y'all) Check this shit, yo!

I grew up on the crime side, the New York Times side
Staying alive was no jive
At second hands, moms bounced on old men
So then we moved to Shaolin land
A young youth, yo rockin the gold tooth, 'Lo goose
Only way, I begin to gee off was drug loot
And let's start it like this son, rollin with this one
And that one, pullin out gats for fun
But it was just a dream for the teen, who was a fiend
Started smokin woolies at sixteen
And running up in gates, and doing hits for high stakes
Making my way on fire escapes
No question I would speed, for cracks and weed
The combination made my eyes bleed
No question I would flow off, and try to get the dough all
Sticking up white boys in ball courts
My life got no better, same damn 'Lo sweater
Times is ruff and tuff like leather
Figured out I went the wrong route
So I got with a sick ass click and went all out
Catchin keys from across seas
Rollin in MPV's, every week we made forty G's
Yo nigga respect mine, or anger the tech nine
Ch-chick-POW! Move from the gate now

Cash, Rules, Everything, Around, Me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all

It's been twenty-two long hard years of still strugglin
Survival got me buggin, but I'm alive on arrival
I peep at the shape of the streets
And stay awake to the ways of the world cause shit is deep
A man with a dream with plans to make C.R.E.A.M.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck sellin drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacin -- going up state's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so ruff
But as the world turns I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
Everyday I escape from Jakes givin chase, sellin base
Smokin bones in the staircase
Though I don't know why I chose to smoke sess
I guess that's the time when I'm not depressed
But I'm still depressed, and I ask what's it worth?
Ready to give up so I seek the Old Earth
Who explained working hard may help you maintain
to learn to overcome the heartaches and pain
We got stickup kids, corrupt cops, and crack rocks
and stray shots, all on the block that stays hot
Leave it up to me while I be living proof
To kick the truth to the young black youth
But shorty's running wild smokin sess drinkin beer
And ain't trying to hear what I'm kickin in his ear
Neglected, but now, but yo, it gots to be accepted
That what? That life is hectic

Niggas gots to do what they gotta do, to get a bill
YaknowhatI'msayin?
Cuz we can't just get by no more
Word up, we gotta get over, straight up and down

Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M.
get the money
Dolla dolla bill y'aauhhhaaaauhhhhahhhauhhhhll, YEAH

God would have no need for bitches, crack, hos, bling or disrespect, yo.

Aphid Jones
29th December 08, 08:27 PM
Hey cullion, simply saying "You still don't get it do you?" is not a refutation of my point. You fail miserably.
You're mis-characterizing his position, dawg.

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:27 PM
Hey cullion, simply saying "You still don't get it do you?" is not a refutation of my point. You fail miserably.

Look, the problem with your point is that you keep creating this image of the God you'd like to see exist, when it isn't the same as the one they believe in. There is no requirement for God to be consistent within the scope of human reason, none at all. You're simply creating your own image of God, pointing out that the one in the Bible doesn't conform to it and then thinking it's a logical proof. It isn't. I'm not going to explain this to you again.

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:29 PM
That is the domain of Satan.

The point being, why would do you expect God to be benign within your understanding, where were you ever promised that?

And you accept my point about intelligence not equating to benign behaviour, I hope.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 08:30 PM
BTW, The wisdom, knowledge and power of the creator of the universe has to be at least 49% greater than your average CEO.
He gets a racial bonus. It evens out

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:31 PM
There is no "proof" in this debate. all we're able to attain is probable likelihoods predicated on what our human minds know as "valid".

Aphid Jones
29th December 08, 08:33 PM
This is now a philosophical discussion, dammit!

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 08:36 PM
That is the domain of Satan.

What ancient judean town does your avatar live in. Cause I feel a conquerin coming on.

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:36 PM
The point being, why would do you expect God to be benign within your understanding, where were you ever promised that?

I don't expect God to be within my understanding; I simply don't expect Him to below it.





And you accept my point about intelligence not equating to benign behaviour, I hope.
Intelligence is not the only quality I would guess the supreme creator of the universe would possess. But saying that someone with more book smarts can also be an asshole is kind of a weak comparison. Give God some credit, after all he did design your mighty penis.

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:38 PM
This is now a philosophical discussion, dammit!

Really sorry about that.

Quick! someone make a "God is a huge asshole but I take more shits" joke.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 08:43 PM
God is a silly definition.

So?

nihilist
29th December 08, 08:46 PM
Let's call Him VOL.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 08:48 PM
why are you using letters?

Cullion
29th December 08, 08:49 PM
I don't expect God to be within my understanding; I simply don't expect Him to below it.

On what scale? How much like a well-therapized modern pacifist liberal who cares about starving children he is?

How closely he resembles that which a modern Christian aspires to be ?

How closely he resembles a Buddhist's idea of enlightenment ?

Tell me what God is supposed to be like Reese, and then we can use that to judge if the Bible, or any other religion, or even the concept of a God existing is true. B'cos that's what your argument boils down to.



Intelligence is not the only quality I would guess the supreme creator of the universe would possess. But saying that someone with more book smarts can also be an asshole is kind of a weak comparison. Give God some credit, after all he did design your mighty penis.

Well, you did choose to go down the path of assessing God on a self-created value scale. You could have turned to page 132 and examined the runes, but no, you chose page 149 where you take on the Troll face to face.

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 08:51 PM
I don't expect God to be within my understanding; I simply don't expect Him to below it.


To the limited extent that your ethics have any basis at all, they are based on maximizing human happiness/minimizing humans suffering.

Under what batfuck insane logic would that form the ethical basis for a being who created the entire universe.

EuropIan
29th December 08, 08:52 PM
Cullion, you can't understand that answer.

taijiamn
29th December 08, 09:00 PM
Isn't it supposed to be that God is just, not necessarily good?

And after the, I've forgotten who gets killed, turned away from God, they, karmicly i guess, get what's coming to them?

Cullion
29th December 08, 09:00 PM
Which answer Ian?

EuropIan
29th December 08, 09:03 PM
I'm saying the answer won't make sense

Cullion
29th December 08, 09:04 PM
The answer to what? Reese's concept of what God should be?

nihilist
29th December 08, 09:11 PM
To the limited extent that your ethics have any basis at all, they are based on maximizing human happiness/minimizing humans suffering.

Under what batfuck insane logic would that form the ethical basis for a being who created the entire universe.

While humans usually create things that work harmoniously together, they do create battlebots. Mostly because of their small penises.

I can't really see the creator of the universe having that small of a penis as to purposely create such pathetic battlebots such as us.

Anyway, who said anything about ethics? I am trying to find reasons why God would create such a bunch of fuckups. What possible purpose would he have for creating this land of misfit toys? The most obvious and probable answer is that we were not purposely created as we are now. There is no purpose. we just are.

The giant clusterfuck that supposing a God necessitates of having to postulate "why this why that " seems preposterous in comparison.

nihilist
29th December 08, 09:14 PM
I am not trying to "create a God" I am trying to throw out that which does not make sense in order to form some semblance of what is more probable. There's a difference.

nihilist
29th December 08, 09:16 PM
Simply yelling "U CANT NO GAWD" is unproductive.

I know that sounds ironic considering the premise, but fuck.

SFGOON
29th December 08, 09:19 PM
This thread fails.

Dammit, you beat me to it.

nihilist
29th December 08, 09:20 PM
There's still time to salvage it! (http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/rnr/973828533.html)

Cullion
29th December 08, 09:41 PM
I am not trying to "create a God" I am trying to throw out that which does not make sense in order to form some semblance of what is more probable. There's a difference.

You're creating a god based on subconcious prejudices without realising it.

The stuff that 'does not make sense' to you isn't derived from any definition of God other than your own.

Don't believe me?

How are you picking what does and doesn't make sense ?

Everything you describe is about how you'd expect a very smart and altruistic human to act. But why would you expect God to be like that ?

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 09:42 PM
The stuff that 'does not make sense' to you isn't derived from any definition of God other than your own.

So you are saying that Mathematics isn't real or doesn't have to be, even though these are overkill rigorous proofs?

Doritosaurus Chex
29th December 08, 09:45 PM
It looks like it always boils down to this:

http://www.upmyownass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/my-hair-is-a-bird-argument-invalid-386x449.jpg


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/dreadsdeego/windmill.jpg

HappyOldGuy
29th December 08, 09:47 PM
While humans usually create things that work harmoniously together, they do create battlebots. Mostly because of their small penises.

I can't really see the creator of the universe having that small of a penis as to purposely create such pathetic battlebots such as us.

Anyway, who said anything about ethics? I am trying to find reasons why God would create such a bunch of fuckups. What possible purpose would he have for creating this land of misfit toys? The most obvious and probable answer is that we were not purposely created as we are now. There is no purpose. we just are.

The giant clusterfuck that supposing a God necessitates of having to postulate "why this why that " seems preposterous in comparison.

Fine, so you have clearly proven that the set of all possible gods does not include the subset that act in ways that reese is able to understand. Thus is our understanding of god increased by 1 zimbabwean cents worth of wisdom.

Cullion
29th December 08, 09:47 PM
So you are saying that Mathematics isn't real or doesn't have to be, even though these are overkill rigorous proofs?

Not for God, no. That's implied by omnipotence. It allows the violation of logic.

nihilist
29th December 08, 09:57 PM
You're creating a god based on subconcious prejudices without realising it.

The stuff that 'does not make sense' to you isn't derived from any definition of God other than your own.

Don't believe me?

How are you picking what does and doesn't make sense ?

Everything you describe is about how you'd expect a very smart and altruistic human to act. But why would you expect God to be like that ?

I would expect a God to be infinitely more refined than one of Bush's cabinet members.

It has nothing to do with human altruism but rather enlightenment.

You won't be able to grasp this of course because you have obviously not attained the degree of higher consciousness that I have. As we raise our consciousness we have no need for petty struggles. And when I say "We" I am of course referring to God, Jesus, and myself.

Cullion
29th December 08, 10:05 PM
I would expect a God to be infinitely more refined than one of Bush's cabinet members.

What do you mean by 'refined' ? and why do you expect it of God?


It has nothing to do with human altruism but rather enlightenment.

What is it?

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 10:22 PM
You won't be able to grasp this of course because you have obviously not attained the degree of higher consciousness that I have. As we raise our consciousness we have no need for petty struggles. And when I say "We" I am of course referring to God, Jesus, and myself.

Who the fuck are you? Mother Teresa? Your only powers are to look old and watch children die.

MaverickZ
29th December 08, 10:44 PM
Your only powers are to look old and watch children die.
He's the Holy Ghost. So of course those are his powers.

Arhetton
29th December 08, 11:31 PM
heres a more sophisticated version of the argument the op made

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro

socractes pretty much pwned the god/s.

Yiktin Voxbane
29th December 08, 11:42 PM
n2UAh7jP9jk

nihilist
29th December 08, 11:50 PM
If I was all powerful...

That's something that you will never be endowed with.

Now go play with your Wii fit on your special yoga mat.

nihilist
29th December 08, 11:52 PM
What do you mean by 'refined' ? and why do you expect it of God?

As a self-respecting deity, I demand it of myself. Why would I think any less of God?




What is it?

It is like a finger, pointing away toward the moon.

nihilist
29th December 08, 11:54 PM
Who the fuck are you?

I am the Juggernaut, madam.

WarPhalange
29th December 08, 11:54 PM
Not for God, no. That's implied by omnipotence. It allows the violation of logic.

Okay, so if an idiot does something illogical, it's illogical, but if it's a deity doing the exact same thing, it can make that act logical?

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 12:00 AM
That's something that you will never be endowed with.


That may be the first time that NoB has heard that word in a sentence about himself.

I think you've restored his faith in a benevolent deity.

nihilist
30th December 08, 12:02 AM
What use has God for Human frailties?

Yiktin Voxbane
30th December 08, 12:10 AM
7KnGNOiFll4

nihilist
30th December 08, 12:12 AM
Nothing pisses God off more than when you hug a tree, because in Cullion's universe, God is a loose cannon who doesn't play by the rules.

nihilist
30th December 08, 12:18 AM
AN ACT OF GOD (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/18347862/detail.html#-)

nihilist
30th December 08, 12:36 AM
He was sick of people hugging it. If you are God, and you are going to injure someone, why not pick someone already injured, like a girl with cerebral palsy?

CULLION SAYS GOD CAN BE A PRAT CUZ HE DUZ NOT DO HUMUN STUFF AND DOESN'T AFRAED UF ENYTHING. (http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS283&=&q=TORNADO+DESTROYS+CHURCH&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f)

Lohff
30th December 08, 12:52 AM
Not for God, no. That's implied by omnipotence. It allows the violation of logic.
And thus makes this entire thread pointless as nobody could ever debate with you in a logical manner concerning the existence of god. Congratulations on creating the impenetrable argument.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 12:55 AM
This thread had nowhere to go but up after the OP.

Lohff
30th December 08, 12:57 AM
If you want to argue against the existance of God, keep it logical.
Looking back on this post, I find your position on this thread incredibly hypocritical. WE have to keep it logical, but YOU get to ignore logic because god does. Keep treading water.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 01:04 AM
Look, the problem with your point is that you keep creating this image of the God you'd like to see exist, when it isn't the same as the one they believe in. There is no requirement for God to be consistent within the scope of human reason, none at all. You're simply creating your own image of God, pointing out that the one in the Bible doesn't conform to it and then thinking it's a logical proof. It isn't. I'm not going to explain this to you again.

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how when adam ate from the tree of life we gained the exact sense of right and wrong, logic and reason that God has. So by the bible's own standards your calvinistic argument falls flat. If it doesn't make logical or moral sense to us then it shouldn't make logical or moral sense to God either.

Also your whole Calvinistic argument could be applied to any diety no matter how evil and nonsensical they seem to us. So why don't you worship all deities that are redeemed by your logic? If you don't treat them all equally you have a double standard. Your logic is flawed and only athiesm/agnosticism avoids this double standard.

nihilist
30th December 08, 01:05 AM
Cullion does not care about following rules. He just wants to wear the spurs in the debate.
Plus, his version of God gets to dodge bullets and defy logic and stuff.

Lohff
30th December 08, 01:10 AM
I find Cullion's arguments very sound. Disproving God's existence by pointing out that bad things happen to good people is not the way to go about it.

If there is a God, and he is a God of humans, guarantee he has some traits some might consider character flaws. Could he be a God of Humanity without them?
I think, then, that the OP's thoughts would have been better received had he limited his arguments to the Abrahamic views of god? From where I sit, if god doesn't exist, it makes sense given the world I witness from day to day. If he does exist, he seems to be a giant, flaming douchebag. Sound fair?

nihilist
30th December 08, 01:12 AM
I find Cullion's arguments very sound. Disproving God's existence by pointing out that bad things happen to good people is not the way to go about it.

If there is a God, and he is a God of humans, guarantee he has some traits some might consider character flaws. Could he be a God of Humanity without them?

Your right.
God Is less than spectacular.
He is Bipolar, He is insecure., He demands worship. He creates lousy excuses for lifeforms and then gets pissed when they under perform.

It's way more likely that God wears a tank top, drinks too much and acts as illogically as your uncle at one of your sleepovers.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 01:17 AM
That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how when adam ate from the tree of life we gained the exact sense of right and wrong, logic and reason that God has. So by the bible's own standards your calvinistic argument falls flat. If it doesn't make logical or moral sense to us then it shouldn't make logical or moral sense to God either.
That's what you are basing your argument on? You are more of a retard than I thought.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Leaving aside the plural problem, you fail at analogy versus equivalence.

Oh, and for being a biblical literalist douchebag of an atheist.

SFGOON
30th December 08, 01:19 AM
I have just rated this terrible thread as such. "Terrible."

You can do it too, by using the voter-box-thingy at the bottom left of the screen! Warn your friends!

nihilist
30th December 08, 01:25 AM
Are you kidding? People love this thread.

It's like a busload of children rocketing down a hill of despair towards certain death.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 01:31 AM
I have just rated this terrible thread as such. "Terrible."

You can do it too, by using the voter-box-thingy at the bottom left of the screen! Warn your friends!

I think you submitted us to Digg.

nihilist
30th December 08, 01:43 AM
All this trolling is making me thirsty.

SFGOON
30th December 08, 01:45 AM
Well, no. But I did just get this new testosterone analogue- something like a 2b-17a dimethyl androstan-17b- ol. Some shit like that (can't be bothered to look at my textbooks or the bottle.)

Any way, good shit. I took about 40 mg today and I can't stop beating off, nor do I want to. I highly recommend it.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 01:48 AM
That's what you are basing your argument on? You are more of a retard than I thought.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Leaving aside the plural problem, you fail at analogy versus equivalence.

Oh, and for being a biblical literalist douchebag of an atheist.

Yes, yes. Whenever the bible is right it's the literal word of God. But when it's wrong ZOMG! IT"Z UN ANULUGYTEEHEE!!!11ONE!!1

And if you think it's an analogy, then an analogy for what? Also where's your proof/evidence that it's an analogy?

SFGOON
30th December 08, 01:50 AM
Dude, you should totally forget about the bible and instead get some of that 2b-17a dimethyl androstan-17b- ol. I took about 40 mg today and I can't stop beating off, nor do I want to. I highly recommend it.

nihilist
30th December 08, 02:08 AM
I did some the other day and I swear I saw GOD.

bob
30th December 08, 02:08 AM
Y'know I saw that 3 star rating based on 2 voters and I thought to meself, "I bet someone rated it one star and then someone rated it 5 just to piss them off."

I think I've been hanging around you guys too long.

rw4th
30th December 08, 02:10 AM
Dude, you should totally forget about the bible and instead get some of that 2b-17a dimethyl androstan-17b- ol. I took about 40 mg today and I can't stop beating off, nor do I want to. I highly recommend it.

Sounds yummy, where can I get some?

rw4th
30th December 08, 02:14 AM
The next time a believer tries to engage you in debate, just point and laugh instead. Anything more is giving their infantile bronze age mythology more credibility then it deserves.

SFGOON
30th December 08, 02:17 AM
The next time a believer tries to engage you in debate, just point and laugh instead. Anything more is giving their infantile bronze age mythology more credibility than it deserves.

Fixed that for you, you imbecile. I think you owe your grammar school teachers a bullet in the rectum for stupiding you up.

I got the testosterosterone at the supplement store. Thanks to all the smart book I've been reading, I was able to tell it was good shit just by reading the chemical nomenclature.

Steve
30th December 08, 02:18 AM
Well, no. But I did just get this new testosterone analogue- something like a 2b-17a dimethyl androstan-17b- ol. Some shit like that (can't be bothered to look at my textbooks or the bottle.)

Any way, good shit. I took about 40 mg today and I can't stop beating off, nor do I want to. I highly recommend it.

Remember, pool on the 5th. And no, hand chalk isn't for that.

SFGOON
30th December 08, 02:21 AM
I'll try to make it, though the warden has been pretty cruel with the keychain lately. Also, I have a black eye for you all to admire.

Plus, I might still be beating off. Four methyl groups - that means it's good shit!

Steve
30th December 08, 02:22 AM
Bring your wife, pls. Then it will at least be quadruple date instead of you stealing all of our wominz.

Steve
30th December 08, 02:23 AM
And I'm assuming the black eye is from a different "beating." I hope.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 02:24 AM
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qHH-Pj2Umyc

rw4th
30th December 08, 02:37 AM
Fixed that for you, you imbecile. I think you owe your grammar school teachers a bullet in the rectum for stupiding you up.

I got the testosterosterone at the supplement store. Thanks to all the smart books I've been reading, I was able to tell it was good shit just by reading the chemical nomenclature.

Apparently you're mastery of basic of grammar isn't much better. I blame porn and video games for my problem, what's your excuse?

bob
30th December 08, 02:40 AM
Apparently your mastery of basic of grammar isn't much better. I blame porn and video games for my problem, what's your excuse?

SFGOON
30th December 08, 02:41 AM
OH YEAH?

xBeoreJr4Yc

WarPhalange
30th December 08, 02:41 AM
http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-OhSnap.jpg

rw4th
30th December 08, 02:44 AM
Apparently your mastery of basic of grammar isn't much better. I blame porn and video games for my problem, what's your excuse?


I blame the porn and having to type using only one hand.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:15 AM
When post-merger happens, we can easily send threads to Trollshido.

Consider that the silver lining on our post-merger experience.

jvjim
30th December 08, 03:19 AM
Threads like this aren't what threads are supposed to be like. Therefore, threads don't exist.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:30 AM
When the lala hits ya lyrics just splits ya
Head so hard, that ya hat can't fit ya
Either I'm witcha or against ya
Format venture, back through that maze I sent ya
Talkin to the rap inventor
Nigga wit the game tight, Bic that flame right
Spell my name right, B-I, Double-G, I-E
Iced out lights out, me and Ceasar Leo
Gettin head from some chick he know
See it's all about the cheddar, nobody do it better
Going back to Cali, strictly for the weather
Women, and the weed -- sticky green
No seeds bitch please, Poppa ain't soft
Dead up in the Hood, ain't no love lost
Got me mixed up, you drunk them licks up
Mad cause I got my dick sucked
and my balls licked, forfeit, the game is mine
I'ma spell my name one more time, check it
Its the, N-O, T-O, R-I, O
U-S, you just, lay down, slow
Recognize a real Don when you see Juan/one
Sippin on booze in the House of Blues

I'm going going, back back, to Cali Cali
I'm going going, back back, to Cali Cali

If I got to choose a coast I got to choose the East
I live out there, so don't go there
But that don't mean a nigga can't rest in the West
See some nice breasts in the West
Smoke some nice sess in the West, y'all niggaz is a mess
Thinkin I'm gon stop, givin L.A. props
All I got is beef with those that violate me
I shall annihilate thee
Case closed, suitcase filled with clothes
Linens and things, I begin things
People start to flash, 818's, 213's
313's, B.I.G.
Frequently floss hoes at Roscoe's
If I wanna squirt her, take her to Fatburger
Spend about a week on Venice Beach
Sippin Crist-o, with some freaks from Frisco

I'm going going, back back, to Cali Cali

I'm going going, back back, to Cali Cali

Cali got gunplay, models on the runway
Scream Biggie Biggie gimme One More Chance
I be whippin on the freeway, the NYC way
On the celly-celly with my homeboy Lance
Pass hash from left to right
Only got five blunts left to light, I'm set tonight
Paid a visit to Versace stores
Bet she suck until I ain't got no more, only in L.A.
Bust on bitches be-lly, rub it in they tummy
Lick it, say it's yummy, then fuck yo' man
Fuck your plan, is it to rock the Tri-State?
Almost gold, 5 G's at show gate
Or do you wanna see about seven digits
Fuck hoes exquisite, Cali, great place to visit

I'm going going, back back, to Cali Cali

jvjim
30th December 08, 03:36 AM
Rap is supposed to be true to the 'hood. That rap wasn't true to the 'hood. Therefore rap doesn't exist.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:37 AM
Rap is supposed to be true to the 'hood. That rap wasn't true to the 'hood. Therefore rap doesn't exist. I take it you won't be in line at the premier of Notorious.

Well, neither will I, but that's beside the point.

jvjim
30th December 08, 03:40 AM
THAT FAT BASTARD KILLED TUPAK SO HE CAN BURN IN HEL-! .....Damnit.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:45 AM
THAT FAT BASTARD KILLED TUPAK SO HE CAN BURN IN HEL-! .....Damnit.
So you believe the fucking po-po's story?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:53 AM
All you people watching this thread:

Crazyman, HOG, jubei, loff, Matt, MEGA, partyboy, taijiamn,

Unfortunately I ran out of glowsticks and the hour is near, so you should all disperse before the ones I gave you burn out and you're left alone in the dark with all the homosexuals and soap.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 05:57 AM
Rap is supposed to be true to the 'hood. That rap wasn't true to the 'hood. Therefore rap doesn't exist.

Strawman. Besides I already killed that little argument of cullion's by using his own bible. Not to mention the double standard he's guilty of.

jvjim
30th December 08, 06:14 AM
Dude your ENTIRE argument relies on an assumption that you have NO plan to dispell via another argument. Seriously, eat all the dicks.

Cullion
30th December 08, 06:20 AM
And thus makes this entire thread pointless as nobody could ever debate with you in a logical manner concerning the existence of god. Congratulations on creating the impenetrable argument.

Yes, actually they could. But not by discussing whether the properties attributed to God in an ancient book of legends were consistent.

You see, I don't believe in God either, I just think the argument followed was stupid so I forced my big hairy e-cock down it's throat.

Cullion
30th December 08, 06:23 AM
Your right.
God Is less than spectacular.
He is Bipolar, He is insecure., He demands worship. He creates lousy excuses for lifeforms and then gets pissed when they under perform.

It's way more likely that God wears a tank top, drinks too much and acts as illogically as your uncle at one of your sleepovers.

You can't disprove the existence of God by saying 'if he exists, then he's inconsistent and I don't like him'.
That's all the people arguing with me in this thread keep trying to say.

Lohff
30th December 08, 11:19 AM
Yes, actually they could. But not by discussing whether the properties attributed to God in an ancient book of legends were consistent.

You see, I don't believe in God either, I just think the argument followed was stupid so I forced my big hairy e-cock down it's throat.
Is it so surprising that the kid focuses his arguments on Christians, considering that is who he debates with? The inconsistency that exists between their concept of god and his inferred qualities from the world around us certainly says something about his existence as they define it.

Does god exist period is another bag of worms entirely. With that, I think I'll leave this thread alone before the talk of steroids, glowsticks, soap, and homosexuality collapses in on me.

taijiamn
30th December 08, 11:44 AM
You can't disprove the existence of God by saying 'if he exists, then he's inconsistent and I don't like him'.


If arguments like that worked, Bullshido would implode due to all the butthurt ninjers.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 11:55 AM
All you people watching this thread:

Crazyman, HOG, jubei, loff, Matt, MEGA, partyboy, taijiamn,

Unfortunately I ran out of glowsticks and the hour is near, so you should all disperse before the ones I gave you burn out and you're left alone in the dark with all the homosexuals and soap.

Err, I thought we were heading over to the afterparty at the leather bar.

I brought my chaps.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 11:57 AM
Strawman. Besides I already killed that little argument of cullion's by using his own bible. Not to mention the double standard he's guilty of.

Douchebag. If you had the reading comprehension god gave non retard first graders you would know that not a single poster in this thread believes in the bible. You are being abused by other atheists for making us look bad with super extra shitty arguments.

nihilist
30th December 08, 12:34 PM
You can't disprove the existence of God by saying 'if he exists, then he's inconsistent and I don't like him'.
That's all the people arguing with me in this thread keep trying to say.

Look up the word likely in the dictionary and see if it has anything to do with being absolute.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 12:43 PM
Strawman. Besides I already killed that little argument of cullion's by using his own bible. Not to mention the double standard he's guilty of.

What double standard? you are making too many presumptions. you could have made this about the bible being a contradictory mess of unrelated philosophies, and impossible strories but you didn't. You could have made this about the implausible nature of divinity, but you didn't. You could have this about the absolutely terrible understanding of the bible, christianity and judaism that so many people have today yet swear to be 100% god fearing informed christians, but you didn't.

No, your point was "God does bad things in the bible, ergo God doesn't exist." WTF is that noise?

You could have even tried to make the point that if God is such a terrible boogeyman, does it not make sense that the God of many christian's understanding simply does not exist. But again, you didn't.

Your opening argument sucks and your internet Kung Fu is still weak.

To me, this is one of the reasons why we atheists will never rise up together and get anything accomplished. All the religous community needs to do is get together (or just stay at home) and not think and they win; all they need is blind faith after all. They share a common bond of willful psychological enslavement to the hope that they are not alone and unloved on a tiny rock hurtling through space.

Atheists have to do something much, much harder; we have to be able to think for ourselves AND agree with each other on how to re-educate the people around us (if we even care to do that much) and we win. Most of us will probably just not do anything and just try to ignore all the dumb that society has to offer.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 12:50 PM
willful psychological enslavement

So melodramatic!

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 12:52 PM
So melodramatic!

I usually just call her sweetie.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 12:53 PM
So melodramatic!

how else would you describe it?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 12:54 PM
how else would you describe it?
Come on, Sun.

Enslavement?

Don't tell me you're going to misquote the DSM-V next...

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 12:56 PM
how else would you describe it?

adaptive

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 12:58 PM
how else would you describe it?
A choice, even if you think they're full of shit?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 01:00 PM
Although it is fun to lump all of the 94% of the population that are theists and agnostics together, maybe we're not all slaves to teh_Big Pray.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 01:04 PM
adaptive

...or desperate?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 01:05 PM
...or desperate?

Thesaurus taem!

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 01:09 PM
Back on topic:

Choose the sword, and you will join me
Choose the ball, and you join your mother... in death
You don't understand my words, but you must choose
So... come boy, choose life or death


The only man I hold wake for
Is the sky-blue Bally kid, in eighty-three, rocked Taylor's
My Memorex performed tape decks, my own phone sex
Watch out for Haiti bitches, I heard they throw hexes
Yo, Wu whole platoon is filled with rac-coons
Corner sittin wine niggaz sippin Apple Boone, this ain't no white cartoon
Cuz I be duckin crazy spades
The kid hold white shit, like blacks rock ashy legs
Why is the sky blue? Why is water wet?
Why did Judas rap to Romans while Jesus slept? Stand up
You're out of luck like two dogs stuck
Iron Man be sippin rum, out of Stanley Cups, unflammable
Noriega, aimin knives which stay windy in Chicago
spine-tingle, mind boggles
Kangols in rainbow colors, promoters try to hold dough
Give me mine before Po, wrap you up in so-and-so
I ran the Dark Ages, Constantine and great Henry the Eighth
Built with Ghengis Khan, the wreck suede wiley Don


I judge wisely, as if nothing ever surprise me
Loungin, between two pillars of ivory
I'm lively, my dome piece, is like building stones in Greece
my poems are deep from ancient tomes I speak
I'm overwhelmed, as my mind, roams the realm
My eyes the vision, memory is the film
Others act sub-tile, but they fragile above clouds
They act wild and couldn't budge a crowd
No matter how loud they get, though they growl and spit
Clutch they fists, and throw up signs like a Crip
And throw all types of fits
I leave em split, like ass cheeks and ragged pussy lips


Aiyyo, camoflouge chameleon, ninjas scaling your buildin
No time to grab the gun they already got your wife and children
A hit was sent, from the President, to rage your residence
Because you had secret evidence, and documents
On how they raped the continents, and it's the prominent
dominant Islamic, Asiatic black Hebrew
The year two thousand and two, the battle's filled with the Wu
Six million devils just died from the Bubonic Flu
Or the Ebola Virus, under the reign of King Cyrus
You can see the weakness of a man right through his iris
Un-loyal snakes get thrown in boilin lakes
of hot oil, it boils your skin, chickenheads gettin slim
like Olive Oil, only plant the seed deep inside fertile soil
Fortified with essential, vitamin and mineral
use the sky for a blanket, stuffing clouds inside my pillow
Rollin with the Lands, the tribe's a hundred and forty four thousand chosen
Protons, Electrons Always Cause Explosions.


The banks of G, all CREAM downs a vet
Money feed good, opposites off the set
It ain't hard to see, my seeds need God-degree
I got mouths to feed, unnecessary beef is more cows to breed
I'm on some tax free shit by any means
Whether bound to hit scheme or some counterfeit CREAM
I learned much from such with cons who run scams
Veterans got the game spiced like hams
And from that, sons are born and guns are drawn
Clips are fully loaded, and then blood floods the lawn
Disciplinary action was a fraction of strength
that made me truncate the limp on temp
with the stump, treat his hips like air pumps
RZA shaped the track, niggaz caught razor bumps
Scarred tryin to figure who invented
this unprecented, opium-scented, dark-tinted
Now watch me blow him out his shoes without clues
Cuz I won't hesitate to detonate, I'm short fuse.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 01:29 PM
Come on, Sun.

Enslavement?

Don't tell me you're going to misquote the DSM-V next...

No, I'm not going to reference the DSM-V. That thing is written for insurance companies for the most part anyway.

Ok, instead of enslavement I can use any other number of synonyms, but it all comes back to the same thing.

Some people cannot adequately live with their fears, their guilt, or their pained emotions so in an effort to cope they adopt an ideology, philosophy or set of beliefs that helps them alleviate their pain. More often than not in the West, this new set of ideas and beliefs comes from one of the major religions: judaism, christianity or islam.

More often that not, they do not chose their religion but rather it is thrust upon them by their parents who believe that if they don't fill their childs mind with these beliefs then they will suffer damnation and a worse existance. Those who do choose one of these religions are taught to rely upon it above all else. They are taught that nothing is greater than what their religion has to offer and that an omnipotent being is backing them up as long as they really, really believe.

These are shackles for the brain, that keep people from wandering thoughts that may cause them distress. It offers comfort but without understanding. The important lessons these religions have to teach could have been simply accomplished by explaining to people the nature of right and wrong. However, without the eminant threat of eternal damnation these people are lost to true salvation. The kind the comes with accepting your position in life and trying to make your corner of the world a better place. To die with dignified life, to achieve mundane divinity; the knowledge that you kept your virtues and led life according to higher principles.

Nothing is as liberating as knowing that you have lived without making terrible mistakes. People settle for fucking up and asking an empty room for forgiveness, but has that improved them? Have they really treated the disease of their mind or did they just kill the pain for awhile?

In my opinion, Karl Marx was right about at least one thing; religion is an addiction, an emotional escape.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 01:44 PM
In my opinion, Karl Marx was right about at least one thing; religion is an addiction, an emotional escape.

Which apparently works.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/Prevention/11866

Do no harm=don't knock peoples adaptive behaviors unless you have a more adaptive alternative. Which you don't. You have an aesthetic attachment to some notion of arbitrary truth. I have a similar one. However we are on pretty fucking shaky ethical grounds when we enforcing our aesthetic judgments on other people against their health and welfare.

Lohff
30th December 08, 02:01 PM
Which apparently works.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/Prevention/11866

Do no harm=don't knock peoples adaptive behaviors unless you have a more adaptive alternative. Which you don't. You have an aesthetic attachment to some notion of arbitrary truth. I have a similar one. However we are on pretty fucking shaky ethical grounds when we enforcing our aesthetic judgments on other people against their health and welfare.
Do you suggest inaction then? I can understand the utilitarian viewpoint you offer here, but is it truly unethical to attempt to spread the truth as you see it? Ultimately, doesn't the harm religion has caused/is causing/will cause outweigh the benefits it offers? Besides, it is illogical to force him to offer an alternative dogma because he doesn't agree with the current one. Just because he sees inconsistency with the current viewpoint, it doesn't follow that he has to present another one to replace it in order to be heard. It is almost a veiled ad hominem.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 02:08 PM
Do you suggest inaction then? I can understand the utilitarian viewpoint you offer here, but is it truly unethical to attempt to spread the truth as you see it? Ultimately, doesn't the harm religion has caused/is causing/will cause outweigh the benefits it offers? Besides, it is illogical to force him to offer an alternative dogma because he doesn't agree with the current one. Just because he sees inconsistency with the current viewpoint, it doesn't follow that he has to present another one to replace it in order to be heard. It is almost a veiled ad hominem.
I suggest deep introspection to ensure that one isn't making the blindly retarded dirt fucking common mistake of substituting anti-faith for faith the way the OP so obviously was.

If you are basing your claim to superiority on logic or science, then it behooves you to ensure that science and logic actually support your position.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 02:18 PM
Which apparently works.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/Prevention/11866

Do no harm=don't knock peoples adaptive behaviors unless you have a more adaptive alternative. Which you don't. You have an aesthetic attachment to some notion of arbitrary truth. I have a similar one. However we are on pretty fucking shaky ethical grounds when we enforcing our aesthetic judgments on other people against their health and welfare.

So because the masses are easily anesthetized and protected from themself by lying to them, I should condone it? No my friend, I don't think I can do that.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 02:20 PM
I suggest deep introspection to ensure that one isn't making the blindly retarded dirt fucking common mistake of substituting anti-faith for faith the way the OP so obviously was.

If you are basing your claim to superiority on logic or science, then it behooves you to ensure that science and logic actually support your position.

Well, the OP is probably new to this whole atheism game. It's not like we have an official handbook.

Lohff
30th December 08, 02:22 PM
My viewpoints on an omnipotent wizard in the sky are irrelevant. I simply made the point that one doesn't have to offer an alternative in order to critique the status quo. Just because I don't know the answer doesn't mean I can't say the current soup dejour is fucked up. So yes, logic does support my position.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 02:25 PM
In other words, you don't have to know how to make a sandwhich to know a turd sandwhich tastes like shit.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 02:30 PM
So because the masses are easily anesthetized and protected from themself by lying to them, I should condone it? No my friend, I don't think I can do that.

Not lying to yourself is not an option. In the words of the mighty Nicholson, "You can't handle the truth." You are a hairless ape, not a turing machine. You don't have a tool that was designed to find "the truth." You have a tool based on your visual senses that is hard wired to look for patterns. We have a variety of techniques developed over time to select the useful patterns, but none that are capable of determining the "truth" of metaphysical questions.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 02:35 PM
My viewpoints on an omnipotent wizard in the sky are irrelevant. I simply made the point that one doesn't have to offer an alternative in order to critique the status quo. Just because I don't know the answer doesn't mean I can't say the current soup dejour is fucked up. So yes, logic does support my position.

Make a logical argument and we'll talk.

Kiko
30th December 08, 02:40 PM
Not gonna read all this, only
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-will-not-play-apology-game.jpg

Lohff
30th December 08, 02:44 PM
Make a logical argument and we'll talk.
Already been done. Everything that needs to be said on the subject has. I believe religion is social control. Somtimes it works, somtimes it fails in a grisly manner. I don't know whether god exists, but if he does exist, much evidence indicates that he doesn't give a shit about any of us, so debate is purely academic.

And again, we don't have to provide a viable alternative to say religon and the current human ideation of god is bizarre. Savvy?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 02:56 PM
These are shackles for the brain, that keep people from wandering thoughts that may cause them distress
Not necessarily, though many do.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 02:58 PM
WHO THE FUCK RE-RAILED THIS THREAD BTW

Robot Jesus
30th December 08, 03:04 PM
I think the real problem with us atheists is that we are concerned with changing minds about god, what we should work on is changing peoples thoughts on gods followers.

yes the religious are diluted, but so are we just about other things. let the baby's have there bottles, we also have our own. but some people can't handle their bottles but still can hide behind the veil of religious justification. (read the whole argument before you call me raciest it applies to xtans and Buddhists to) currently the existence of the moderate Muslim emboldens and strengthens the jihadist. for it allows him to see the whole of his religion, paint it in his vision and see himself as a defender of a large people who are being attacked by secular forces. now if secular cultural forces and moderately religious forces where to work together the fanatic would be left out in the cold.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 03:06 PM
WHO THE FUCK RE-RAILED THIS THREAD BTW

I can in fact drive a 10 inch spike through a thread with my e-penis.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:13 PM
I think the real problem with us chickens is that we are concerned with changing minds about asps, what we should work on is changing peoples thoughts on asp fangs.

yes the asps are poisonous, but so are we just about other things. Let the asps have there venom, we also have our cockfighting foot razors. but some people can't handle their venom or razors but still can hide behind the veil of Octagonian justification. (read the whole argument before you call me raciest it applies to Asps and Chickens to) currently the existence of the moderate Asp emboldens and strengthens the Mecha-Asp. for it allows him to see the whole of his species, paint it in his vision and see himself as a defender of a large people who are being attacked by avian forces. now if avian cultural forces and moderately asp forces where to work together the Mecha-Asp would be left out in the cold.

TEST YOUR MIGHT.

Robot Jesus
30th December 08, 03:40 PM
http://www.laughinggame.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/42-youve-activated-my-trap-card.jpg

http://newhumanist.org.uk/images/CofE2.png

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:42 PM
Robot, if you want a real kick, check out the URL on your Church of England pic.

let's have a discussion on how Secular Humanism ruined the dream of the original Humanist movement.

Robot Jesus
30th December 08, 03:48 PM
I don't follow?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 03:49 PM
Your picture is hosted on a SH website, which reminded me of the topic.

Cullion
30th December 08, 04:14 PM
Is it so surprising that the kid focuses his arguments on Christians, considering that is who he debates with?

Here's the problem the kid has:

He's making himself look like a retard. The first Christian with an IQ above 120 who comes along to his little debate will rape him on the point I mentioned. Fast, hard and stylish. I'm just trying to give him a little tough love and tactical advice.

His argument is 'I don't understand the Yahweh, he seems inconsistent and harsh' will eventually be met by much more detailed, studied arguments explaining how he ought to shut the fuck up and bend over.



The inconsistency that exists between their concept of god and his inferred qualities from the world around us certainly says something about his existence as they define it.

He just sounds like he's whining to be honest. He's failing by arguing on their terms. He's trying to use the Bible to disprove the Bible against (an admittedly flawed) intellectual line of attack which much more intelligent men in their hundreds of thousands have spent centuries developing defences to.

If the poor dipshit had any brains, he'd be saying 'why should I care what a 2000 year old Legend says? Indiana Jones isn't real life' and take it from there.



Does god exist period is another bag of worms entirely.

Not really. I'd just rather we made a fool of him here before he went out there and showed the world the brown stain on the back of his jeans.

Sun Wukong
30th December 08, 04:26 PM
Not lying to yourself is not an option. In the words of the mighty Nicholson, "You can't handle the truth." You are a hairless ape, not a turing machine. You don't have a tool that was designed to find "the truth." You have a tool based on your visual senses that is hard wired to look for patterns. We have a variety of techniques developed over time to select the useful patterns, but none that are capable of determining the "truth" of metaphysical questions.

This, I think, you are quasi-incorrect about. No sixth sense need apply to this indelicate conundruum.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 04:27 PM
http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/good-immigration-argument.jpg

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/posters2/usa08.jpg


http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh80/45chel/cody.jpg

http://activistchat.com/images/Movie300Protest.jpg

Lohff
30th December 08, 04:36 PM
Not really. I'd just rather we made a fool of him here before he went out there and showed the world the brown stain on the back of his jeans.
Point taken.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 05:41 PM
Here's the problem the kid has:

He's making himself look like a retard. The first Christian with an IQ above 120 who comes along to his little debate will rape him on the point I mentioned. Fast, hard and stylish. I'm just trying to give him a little tough love and tactical advice.

His argument is 'I don't understand the Yahweh, he seems inconsistent and harsh' will eventually be met by much more detailed, studied arguments explaining how he ought to shut the fuck up and bend over.



He just sounds like he's whining to be honest. He's failing by arguing on their terms. He's trying to use the Bible to disprove the Bible against (an admittedly flawed) intellectual line of attack which much more intelligent men in their hundreds of thousands have spent centuries developing defences to.

If the poor dipshit had any brains, he'd be saying 'why should I care what a 2000 year old Legend says? Indiana Jones isn't real life' and take it from there.



Not really. I'd just rather we made a fool of him here before he went out there and showed the world the brown stain on the back of his jeans.

I don't think you have a proper understanding of what this thread was originally about. It was meant to start a debate with some dumbfuck apologists who challenged me directly on numbers 31. In their little minds there is absolutley no wrongdoing out of N31 at all. You say that the whole premise of my argument is flawed. I disagree because my double standard, and apple points (which you have not addressed) save it from the usual flaws. But I do agree that I could have picked a billion better arguments to start out with. I chose N31 simply because I wanted to watch the apologists try to bullshit their way out of the God of the bible doing something evil. You see in their little minds if God does something evil, then he doesn't exist. I was trying to convince them, instead of just troll the fuck out of them. Whether God performed evil acts in the bible was the entire point of disagreement between me and the apologists. I should have made the purpose of my thread clear but I assumed they wouldn't be e-pussies and back down from a challenge that they themselves started. They told me to go to anywhere and they'd debate me. I chose here because this is the only place where the thread wouldn't get locked due to flames.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 05:52 PM
I'd like to say agian that Cullion's whole Calvinistic argument of "We are just humans and can't know anything hur! hur!" (Whether that's his actual stance on the issue or not.) is defeated by the idea that that logic can be used to redeem any God no matter how ridiculous, and evil. So if a christian were to truly use that logic he'd have to worship every single God that the logic redeems. Otherwise he'd have a double standard.

Also I never meant to say that God doesn't conform to my views therefore he doesn't exist (but I guess I fucked that up). My point was that OT God is inconsistant with other parts of the bible. Inconsistancy = They made it up. Made up = imaginary. Imaginary = doesn't exist. I assumed people would understand this automatically but I guess not.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
30th December 08, 05:55 PM
Hey, Crazyman, how about you shut the fuck up? Did you ever think of that you faggot?

Crazyman
30th December 08, 05:57 PM
Can't argue agianst me, so you're just going to call names huh?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
30th December 08, 05:59 PM
No, but for the past eleven pages you've done nothing but repeat yourself. God is a dick and saying he's supposed to be nice does not disprove his existence. Hell, just arguing it probably means you're a jackass because no one but the hopelessly religious and the sorry trolls who pester them could possibly give a shit.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 06:10 PM
Did you even read my reply to cullion? I've already stated that, that is not my position. You and cullion are both being purposly obtuse, because you like to troll instead of have a regular discussion.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
30th December 08, 06:11 PM
Greetings sociocide! Greetings! While responding to some retarded youtube comments I was challenged to a debate by an apologist. So anyway let the lulz begin!

My argument: In numbers chapter 31 (just read the whole chapter it's only a page or two) the jews capture a city. Moses tells them to kill anyone who either has a dick or has put a dick inside them (dudes and non virgin women). The jews do this and then take the virgin women for themselves so that they can have hot teen on middle aged jew sex... err I mean rape. Finally they offer some of the virgin's up as a human sacrafice to God. All while this is happening God just sits idle and does nothing.

My arguement is that a real God would have stepped in to stop this atrocity, and only a made up God would let this happen. Therefore the God of the bible does not exist.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 06:28 PM
Touche' I should have said,"My argument is that if the God of the bible were consistant with other parts of the bible he'd never let this happen. Since he's inconsistant the bible is a BS story. My problem was I assumed nobody would be dumb enough to bring up an evil god existing since that goes beyond the premise of my argument, and what christianity claims [God is omnipowerfull, and omnigood].

In the heads of the apologists I was supposed to debate God is good, and Atheists are taking the bible out of context in order to make him look evil. To them an evil God isn't possible.

I think if the other side would have showed up you would have seen what I was trying to do here.

But oh well. This thread is a mess now, and they're not coming.

SFGOON
30th December 08, 06:33 PM
This thread would be more interesting if Crazyman had a salient point and wasn't bragging about arguing with catholics on youtube.

HappyOldGuy
30th December 08, 06:41 PM
Crazyman. Cullion and I don't agree on anything. Ever. But we both agree you are a retard. So you should consider that coming from the mouth of the mighty jehovah himself.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 06:45 PM
Touche' I should have said,"My argument is that if the God of the bible were consistant with other parts of the bible he'd never let this happen. Since he's inconsistant the bible is a BS story. My problem was I assumed nobody would be dumb enough to bring up an evil god existing since that goes beyond the premise of my argument, and what christianity claims [God is omnipowerfull, and omnigood].

But anyway I shouldn't have tried to debate christianity on it's own fucked up terms. The BS somehow spread to me and made me type shit that looks completely retarded. Verily, thou doth protect thy collar in vain, O youth; for the Wu and Tang be not within the realm of that with which thou canst fuck.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 06:53 PM
Crazyman. Cullion and I don't agree on anything. Ever. But we both agree you are a retard. So you should consider that coming from the mouth of the mighty jehovah himself.

I'm not a retard. You just both purposefully misunderstand me in order to troll.

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 06:59 PM
I'm not a retard. You just both purposefully misunderstand me in order to troll.
Go away. (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=81)

Crazyman
30th December 08, 07:12 PM
Go away. (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=81)

What does a martial arts site have to do with any of this?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 07:18 PM
What does a martial arts site have to do with any of this?
That's the religion section of MAP, where you belong.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 07:25 PM
I don't belong there. Last I checked I wasn't some unitarian hippy that likes to meld all religions together in a moronic way.

Besides if you really want me to go away just stop posting in this thread.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 07:26 PM
If nobody posts I'll have nothing to reply to. End of thread.

Or you could just keep talking and we can make this fucker 100 pages long. Sound good to you?

Aphid Jones
30th December 08, 07:33 PM
I don't belong there. Last I checked I wasn't some unitarian hippy that likes to meld all religions together in a moronic way.

Who are you talking about?

nihilist
30th December 08, 09:35 PM
OK, how bout this:

"Anyone can set a bush on fire, therefore GOD DOESN'T EXIST!"

bob
30th December 08, 09:37 PM
Setting Bush on fire would have been enough to prove the existence of God in my book.

nihilist
30th December 08, 09:48 PM
What convinced me, I think its when Peter's wife Mary got pregnant miraculously.

Crazyman
30th December 08, 10:50 PM
Who are you talking about?

I'm just generalizing. I'm talking about the type of people who meditate daily, drink herbal tea, think they can fight off a gunman with a sword, and like to blend all religions together in a faggoty fashion. They usually wear all black, have a magnet bracelet, and a tatoo in chinese lettering that quotes some gay bible passage.

Lohff
30th December 08, 11:03 PM
I'm just generalizing. I'm talking about the type of people who meditate daily, drink herbal tea, think they can fight off a gunman with a sword, and like to blend all religions together in a faggoty fashion. They usually wear all black, have a magnet bracelet, and a tatoo in chinese lettering that quotes some gay bible passage.
My brief descent into ad hominem: Dude, do you realize how incredibly douchey and elitist you come across in this thread? You come here to brag about how you put down religious folk on youtube. So what? You've made a couple of decent points regarding the christian ideation of god, but many of the posters here are not arguing on those terms. The simple fact of the matter is this: Your arguments only work if one assumes that god is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient. Some religions make no claim that this is true. If god exists, he may well have created the world and then buggered off to go play yahtzee while we suffer. It sucks. It is inconsistent. He's a fuckwad if it is true. But your "proof" leads much to be desired.

Look, I've tried to help you out on this thread, but you need to let this shit go.

SFGOON
30th December 08, 11:05 PM
In other words, you're too stupid to play with the big boys just yet. What's worse, your tinker toys have gone neglected these past few hours. You should go ameliorate that, right after your nap.

Yiktin Voxbane
30th December 08, 11:06 PM
5lvU-DislkI

nihilist
30th December 08, 11:10 PM
I didn't know he was a systema master!

SFGOON
30th December 08, 11:23 PM
SHUT-UPPA-YOU-FACE.

Sun Wukong
31st December 08, 12:10 AM
Hey, Crazyman, how about you shut the fuck up? Did you ever think of that you faggot?

Hey kid, what crawled up your snooch?

Sun Wukong
31st December 08, 12:14 AM
I'm just generalizing. I'm talking about the type of people who meditate daily, drink herbal tea, think they can fight off a gunman with a sword, and like to blend all religions together in a faggoty fashion. They usually wear all black, have a magnet bracelet, and a tatoo in chinese lettering that quotes some gay bible passage.

I drink hearbal tea...


Maybe it's the booze talking, but you know what? The internet is really, really judgemental. maybe we all just come on here to be judgemental. ... The internet is the NWO religion.

nihilist
31st December 08, 12:25 AM
SHUT-UPPA-YOU-FACE.
GOON, Oh, hai...how long have you been standing there? (blinks eyes innocently)

Sun Wukong
31st December 08, 12:30 AM
5lvU-DislkI

It's even worse watching that if you've actually been to one of those things. let alone, a LOT of those things.

Oh the humanity.

nihilist
31st December 08, 12:35 AM
Is that a confession?

Aphid Jones
31st December 08, 01:36 AM
I'm just generalizing. I'm talking about the type of people who meditate daily, drink herbal tea, think they can fight off a gunman with a sword, and like to blend all religions together in a faggoty fashion. They usually wear all black, have a magnet bracelet, and a tatoo in chinese lettering that quotes some gay bible passage.

You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find someone with a bible quote IN CHINESE tattooed on their body.

In fact, I think you're simply recalling the morning when you woke up after a hard night of drinking with "And he spilleth his seed" tattooed in Cantonese on your left asscheek.

rw4th
31st December 08, 02:49 AM
I didn't know he was a systema master!

Nah, if he was using systema there would be more leather whips, man boobs, and homoerotic subtext.

nihilist
31st December 08, 03:23 AM
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1014/atheistbusks7.jpg

Aphid Jones
31st December 08, 03:48 AM
http://www.epicurean-traveler.com/articles/Vatican_Lucy_Gordan/Lucy%20Gordan%20Vatican%20Photos/Christian-Tour-Bus.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2676207721_09401c07fb.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/2565961868_f06825d9c1.jpg

http://www.travel-images.com/phil45.jpg
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/images/bus-ad1.jpg

http://podcast.shirenetworknews.net/2007/10.01/0000/London_Bus_1.jpg


YEW LEWS

and yes, I DID try to find a Scientology one. Apparently they don't believe in buses.

Sun Wukong
31st December 08, 04:42 AM
You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find someone with a bible quote IN CHINESE tattooed on their body.

In fact, I think you're simply recalling the morning when you woke up after a hard night of drinking with "And he spilleth his seed" tattooed in Cantonese on your left asscheek.

You know, funny thing after hanging out in the chinese community... alot of those asian character tattoos actually don't say what people think they say and extremely often the character is craptacularly incorrectly drawn to the point it looked like a child did it.

NOT TO FUTURE TATTOOED PERSONS: Do NOT trust someone to write something on you permanently in a language you are not fluent in.

Jim_Jude
31st December 08, 05:51 AM
Says who?

The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies.

... yeah, & he's unchanging. That god could go fuck himself, if it even existed...

Jim_Jude
31st December 08, 06:01 AM
That's not a strawman. I don't think you even know what a strawman is. How is a "real" god a misrepresentation of a christian arguement in order to make it easier to defeat?

Also I love your kneejerk reaction that God doesn't always have to be nice. I guess he can be a giant murderous asshole too. Is a God good because he does the right deeds, or are deeds good because God does them? I say a true God is good because he does only good. Others say that whatever God does no matter how evil it appears must be good because God (who is all good) did them. By that criteria if satan were God, then Satan would be good because everything satan does must be good since satan is all good. Anybody and anything (no matter how evil they appeared) would be holy under that criteria.

Hmmm.... Strong VS Weak Divine Command Theory. What a Conundrum!

EVIL IS GOOD!!!

hX2H3ArHXN8

EuropIan
31st December 08, 06:03 AM
I don't think you have a proper understanding of what this thread was originally about. It was meant to start a debate with some dumbfuck apologists who challenged me directly on numbers 31. In their little minds there is absolutley no wrongdoing out of N31 at all. You say that the whole premise of my argument is flawed. I disagree because my double standard, and apple points (which you have not addressed) save it from the usual flaws. But I do agree that I could have picked a billion better arguments to start out with. I chose N31 simply because I wanted to watch the apologists try to bullshit their way out of the God of the bible doing something evil. You see in their little minds if God does something evil, then he doesn't exist. I was trying to convince them, instead of just troll the fuck out of them. Whether God performed evil acts in the bible was the entire point of disagreement between me and the apologists. I should have made the purpose of my thread clear but I assumed they wouldn't be e-pussies and back down from a challenge that they themselves started. They told me to go to anywhere and they'd debate me. I chose here because this is the only place where the thread wouldn't get locked due to flames.
So what you did was google "bible contradictions"?



You would be better of with "why do good things happen to bad people?"

We are being meanies, I know. But you have to realize you started with a strawman. We don't take kindly to men made of straw.

You. Can. Not. Take. The. Bible. Literally.

Jim_Jude
31st December 08, 06:16 AM
NOT TO FUTURE TATTOOED PERSONS: Do NOT trust someone to write something on you permanently in a language you are not fluent in.

A friend of mine actually got a "Beef with Broccoli" tattoo. Fucking heeelarious! I didn't have the balls to do it with him, I totally chickened out.

Crazyman
31st December 08, 06:34 AM
Your arguments only work if one assumes that god is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient. Some religions make no claim that this is true. If god exists, he may well have created the world and then buggered off to go play yahtzee while we suffer. It sucks. It is inconsistent. He's a fuckwad if it is true. But your "proof" leads much to be desired.

Look, I've tried to help you out on this thread, but you need to let this shit go.

One of my pet peeves is when fucktards think that deism and christianity are one in the same, and then argue based on that false premise. (I'm not calling you one of those people at all. I'm just saying it's annoying.)

Normally I'd just forget about the whole mess but several people here have been assholes to me, so I feel like sticking around just out of spite.

Crazyman
31st December 08, 06:37 AM
In other words, you're too stupid to play with the big boys just yet. What's worse, your tinker toys have gone neglected these past few hours. You should go ameliorate that, right after your nap.

You are not the big boys. You are small clique of random people on the internet. The big boys have jobs at colleges, teaching other people.

Crazyman
31st December 08, 06:40 AM
I drink hearbal tea...


Maybe it's the booze talking, but you know what? The internet is really, really judgemental. maybe we all just come on here to be judgemental. ... The internet is the NWO religion.

Don't take any offence. There's nothing wrong with drinking herbal tea. As long as you don't think it will cure ebola and aids like they do.

Crazyman
31st December 08, 06:46 AM
You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find someone with a bible quote IN CHINESE tattooed on their body.

In fact, I think I'm simply reminded of the morning when I woke up after a hard night of drinking with "And he spilleth his seed" tattooed in Cantonese on my left asscheek.

I've actually met someone with a tatoo like that (it was on their arm and it said noone can judge me but God). Yes people are that fucking stupid.

Crazyman
31st December 08, 07:11 AM
So what you did was google "bible contradictions"?



You would be better of with "why do good things happen to bad people?"

We are being meanies, I know. But you have to realize you started with a strawman. We don't take kindly to men made of straw.

You. Can. Not. Take. The. Bible. Literally.

I've read all of the ot and most of the nt. Even as a christian I rejected revelations so I never read that part. I'm not the sort of person that memorizes every single bible passage. Numbers 31 just always stuck in my head for making my heart sink a mile as a christian.

I was too busy trying to aurgue on the religious people's own premise's to even realize that I had typed up a moronic strawman. When hog posted trying to point out the strawman his attitude made me think he was being a dense douche on purpose just to troll me.

I frown on people that take the bible as one giant metaphor just to save it from itself one second, and then take another part literally just to suit there own bigotry. I'm not going to allow that type of two faced cop out from believers. That's why I reject the idea of metaphors in the bible. (unless of course they are blatant metaphors)

Cullion
31st December 08, 07:45 AM
Crazyman. Cullion and I don't agree on anything. Ever.

Well, I thought we saw eye to eye on some points when it comes to cookery.

Kiko
31st December 08, 07:46 AM
I think we can all agree that trying to bring youtube idiots to this site would not be a very good thing for more than 2 minutes.

Aphid Jones
31st December 08, 02:10 PM
I've read all of the ot and most of the nt. Even as a christian I rejected revelations so I never read that part. I'm not the sort of person that memorizes every single bible passage. Numbers 31 just always stuck in my head for making my heart sink a mile as a christian.

I was too busy trying to aurgue on the religious people's own premise's to even realize that I had typed up a moronic strawman. When hog posted trying to point out the strawman his attitude made me think he was being a dense douche on purpose just to troll me.

I frown on people that take the bible as one giant metaphor just to save it from itself one second, and then take another part literally just to suit there own bigotry. I'm not going to allow that type of two faced cop out from believers. That's why I reject the idea of metaphors in the bible. (unless of course they are blatant metaphors)
So this thread has just been ANOTHER Catholic School Angst Thread?

Dammit, I should have known.