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patfromlogan
11th August 03, 10:43 AM
Isn't cut and paste wonderful? This is from a much larger article

http://www.mindprod.com/bush911.html

and I think it raised some good questions about Bush. The author, in the beginning of the piece does say that "The only way I can make sense of them is if I presume George Bush Jr. himself was behind the 911 attacks. This sounds so utterly preposterous, I want to dismiss it, yet I can find no other way of explaining the facts." To me at least he doesn't come off as a conspiracy nut case. The article has lots of links, some of which I've read.

"And as I tried to explain, probably incoherently, to Vargas some time ago, I am the son of a Navy officer who, as the top ranked Navy officer in Vietnam, was fired by the Pentagon for telling them the truth. So I know from my family's personal history how they lie and how they treat honest men, so it is perhaps too easy for me to "fall" for these theories. Oh, Vargas, if you're reading this, I got a cool "My dad is a Vietnam Vet" patch to put on my "patched up" karate uniform. Neat, huh? I have several gi's, black for Kempo, plain white for Karate, Kyokushin character'd white gi, black Kajukenbo patched gi, and an old gi with various patches so I can swagger around looking like the old karate fuck who's been there and done that.



Bush Jr. read a children's story aloud about a pet goat throughout the entire unfolding of 9-11. There were four hijacked planes, two towers hit, and he still kept reading the story. He did not monitor what was going on. He did not order any action. He did not even get himself to a safe location. I know this story is true because I have him on video tape. I bought a copy of the video showing this from Vision TV. Nero played the violin while Rome burned. Bush Jr. read a children's story while New York burned.

Now how do you interpret this?

I agree there are many ways to interpret his inaction, but it seems every possible interpretation should be sufficient to impeach Bush Jr.. Unfortunately, that fact alone is insufficient for impeachment. We have to determine which particular explanation actually applies.


Bush Jr. was the only man in the western world who did not know what was going on. His handlers kept him in the dark.

Bush Jr. was just a figurehead, so it was not necessary for him to stop reading. Nor did those truly in charge really need him when he finally did stop. Getting him to read a children's story helped occupy him and keep him out of the way.

Bush Jr. was so clueless that he though the two tower hits were both accidents caused by inexperienced hijacker pilots and that there was nothing to be done about the other two hijackings. This is the explanation he gave to Jordan, a school child, when Jordan asked about it later.

Bush Jr. was stoned/drunk/hungover. He was in no shape to deal with the crisis, so his people took him out of the loop. In the video, you can see Andy Card not even waiting for a response from Bush Jr. when he tells him of the second tower hit.

Bush Jr. was just freaked like a deer in the headlights. He just did not know what to do so he effectively hid in the bathroom to avoid doing anything. If you can't stand the heat, Mr. President, get out of the kitchen, to quote Harry S. Truman.

Bush Jr. knew this was all coming and was going to let it happen as a pretext for a war on whomever he damn well pleased. He knew he was in no personal danger. It was all pre-arranged. He could then invade Afghanistan, Iraq or any other oil-rich country on a 9-11 revenge pretext.

Bush Jr., or rather his people, planned the attack. So he knew he personally was in no danger. bin Laden was on the CIA payroll and was seen by the French secret service meeting with CIA bigwigs 72 days prior to 9-11 in a hospital, reported in the Paris newspaper Le Figaro before 9-11.

Bush Jr. was attempting to inspire children to sharpen their reading skills about goats, which was more important than the new Gommorah, New York City, in flames. As all good fundamentalist Christians know, it had, after all, been prophesised."

And please, if you do respond to this topic, try not to say:

1 Patfromlogan is unpatriotic/big doo doo/asshole etc.. Personal attacks don't count, other than the first person to get personal is a big doo doo.

2 America love it or leave it type crap. I happen to love my county (other than Florida in the summer, why anyone lives there is beyond me).

3 Conspiracy theories are crap. They may or may not be, the questions raised by the author will remain unchallenged by this type of statement.

Osiris
11th August 03, 11:19 AM
I thought he was on airforce one?

Freddy
12th August 03, 04:54 PM
Patfromlogan and Osiris (or anyone else interested) I am willing to trade you some video tapes in the future. No its not conspriracy theory tapes. They have some good tapes from that "Frontline" ducumentry series/show from PBS in Buffalo, New York. Theres plenty of evidence and interview from people like military oficers, members of government and former CIA members etc. I have this tape about the Trilateral Commision, The Bildeberg (sorry about spelling) and the national treasury in the U.S. and how its connected to big business etc. Really interesting stuff.




"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
Anton LaVey made me say it!

Freddy
12th August 03, 04:57 PM
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/






"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
Anton LaVey made me say it!

patfromlogan
12th August 03, 05:43 PM
Nah, he wasn't on AF1 until much later. He was told while he was in the limo heading to Booker El. according to several sources. the quotes here are from:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

"Official accounts, including the words of Bush himself, say Bush was first told of what was happening in New York City after he arrived at the school. [Telegraph, 12/16/01, CBS, 9/11/02]"

There is plenty of people who say this is bs.

"US Navy Captain Deborah Loewer, the director of the White House Situation Room, was traveling in the motorcade when she received a message from an assistant back in Washington about the first crash. Loewer said that as soon as the car arrived at Booker, she ran quickly over to Bush. "It's a very good thing the Secret Service knows who I am," Loewer later said. She told Bush that an aircraft had "impacted the World Trade Center. This is all we know."

To quote the lying fuck himself, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it." [White House, 12/4/01] He is either an idiot or just lying. The first crash was NOT on tv.

The real question here is why his handlers let him say this, and why they let him say it again. It is total crap and there is every news report and every witness at Booker El that can refute it. Ofcourse in the land of the brave and home of the brave, our independent new media has chosen to ignore the crap and never question Bush.

Anyhow, Card told him about the second atttack (about 9:05AM) and he went on reading to the children. Sarasota is close to two AF bases and they provided NO fighters to escort AF1 when they got around to leaving. While VP Dicky was hustled to an underground shelter, Bush sat around Booker El. There had been threats made to him in Sarasota and threats made to AF1. They left the school eventually and made it off the tarmac by 9:55.

Some of the network's sites on the web have changed the story to make it look better, like Bush actually responded and some sort of emergency plan was enacted. It seems clear, though, that this is just crap.

None of this makes sense to me. Read the articles if you are interested in learning more.



Edited by - patfromlogan on August 12 2003 17:44:53

Osiris
12th August 03, 08:03 PM
"To quote the lying fuck himself, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it." [White House, 12/4/01] He is either an idiot or just lying. The first crash was NOT on tv."

Where does he say it was the first plane?

Deadpan Scientist
12th August 03, 08:27 PM
the first crash was on tv. the tape came in after the second one had already crashed.

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Osiris
12th August 03, 08:50 PM
Really? I only saw the second.

patfromlogan
12th August 03, 08:55 PM
Brand: The point is that Bush was talking about the first crash-the question that was put to him was when did he learn of the attack. The second was filmed and shown pretty much live, as I recall. I think that the actual crash of the first plane was not shown until 9/12. It was from a crew of snail eating surrender monkeys (French) that were doing a documentary on NY firefighters. I included more of the article in response to O, below.

Osiris: "Bush's own recollection of the first crash only complicates the picture. Less than two months after the attacks, Bush made the preposterous claim that he had watched the first attack as it happened on live television. This is the seventh different account of how Bush learned about the first crash (in his limousine, from Loewer, from Card, from Rove, from Gottesman, from Rice, from television). On December 4, 2001, Bush was asked: "How did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?" Bush replied, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it." [White House, 12/4/01]

There was no film footage of the first attack until at least the following day, and Bush didn't have access to a television until 15 or so minutes later. [Washington Times, 10/7/02] The Boston Herald later noted, "Think about that. Bush's remark implies he saw the first plane hit the tower. But we all know that video of the first plane hitting did not surface until the next day. Could Bush have meant he saw the second plane hit - which many Americans witnessed? No, because he said that he was in the classroom when Card whispered in his ear that a second plane hit." [Boston Herald, 10/22/02]"

http://emperor.vwh.net/bushvideo/scsb.bush.mov is a link to a PRO Bush video that shows him being told about the second attack by Card. His lack of reaction is notable. There is a video that has his face shot in close but I didn't save the link. If I have time I'll find it.

By the way, as I type I'm playing Chante France
28K : National : Paris, France

La première radio sans pub, tous les tubes de la chanson française. 100% french songs, variety & pop, from 80's until now, without commercials and it is just TOO hip. Much better than hearing Stairway to Heaven and Firebird for the zillionth time.

So Freddy, what do you want to trade for tapes? I'm warning you, my wife made me get rid of the porno, now all I could copy that might be good would be live Grateful Dead or some jazz I copied off of NPR specials (Miles and Louis).

Osiris
12th August 03, 09:01 PM
Ok, thx for clearing that up.

Deadpan Scientist
12th August 03, 09:17 PM
I wouldn't put it past bush to say the first plane instead of the second plane. The guy can't speak in public. He messes up speeches that are on teleprompters right in front of him...

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aaronboyd2: Or you could quote ME quoting Freaky Friday
aaronboyd2: I LOOK LIKE THE CRYPT KEEPER

FingerorMoon?
12th August 03, 10:38 PM
I love conspiracy theories.

The planes were remote controlled, psychically driven by aliens.

Akuma
13th August 03, 01:32 AM
Unfortunately, conspiracies are ALWAYS present in every government in the world. Take a look at my country!

Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and defense secretary Angelo Reyes ORDERED one of the AFP's (Armed Forces of the Philippines) special agents to BOMB ONE OF THE MOSQUES in Southern Mindanao and blame it on the MILF to justify it's war on terror and in the process, US government will give monetary aid to the government which will just be placed in the hands of corrupt officals' pockets.

Another conspiracy, the AFP IS THE ONE SELLING GUNS AND BULLETS to the rebels! That's why there was a 'coup de tat' last 3 weeks to reform the government and it's lies.

Just imagine how you would feel to know that your own bullets are the one's killing you and your fellow soldiers in the battle field. And now president Fuckapagal Arroyo is doing everything in her power to blame it on potential rivals for the presidency and she's even ordering the ISAFP (Intelligence Service of the AFP) to plant evidences on the Estradas and Sen. Honasan. And before Bush's state visit, she's giving orders to 'cover-up' squatters areas which abound the country with billboards so the President Bush won't notice! Imagine That! She's nothing more than a LIAR!

And yes, there are conspiracies everywhere.

I will flame Fatality Gay until he dies of Cancer, AIDS, SARS and terrorism.

Deadpan Scientist
13th August 03, 02:04 AM
too bad no one cares about your country. i don't even care enough to capitalize any words in my response to you.

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aaronboyd2: Or you could quote ME quoting Freaky Friday
aaronboyd2: I LOOK LIKE THE CRYPT KEEPER

Akuma
13th August 03, 03:30 AM
Too bad. I don't I care about your bitchiness.

I will flame Fatality Gay until he dies of Cancer, AIDS, SARS and terrorism.

patfromlogan
13th August 03, 10:08 AM
Brand, are you trying to be funny? Why be so insulting? I've noticed that some people seem to rate countries like the one post that called the Phillipines the Mexico of Asia. What crap! I don't know much about the Phillipines (other than good martial arts-my teacher's teacher was Emperado...)but I've spent a lot of time in Mexico. Go see the movie Frida and get a hint of what that country has to offer. This cultural superiority is repulsive. All countries have different things to offer. This superiority shit reeks of facism. Fuck nazis. Fuck racism.

There (dusts hands), now FingerorMoon?, did you know that various state secrets are let out over time? And that the British files on the sinking of the Lusitania were let out some years ago? And that "most dastardly crime by a callous foe murdering innocent women, children and men, which should bring upon the whole German nation the execration of the whole civilised world" was actually a move devised by Winston Churchill in order to get the US into the war? There is a book all about it. Did you know the reason the US got into the Spanish/American war, the sinking of the USS Maine is now thought to be bullshit? Seems that modern analysis of the damage shows that the explosion come from inside the ship, not a mine planted by the evil Spanish. People can dismiss conspiracy theories all they like, they just better not read much about the history of war and the use of propaganda.

This type of shit goes back to atleast the Romans and is going on today. A recent example of manipulation/bullshit/crapola/propaganda is Jessica the fighting blondie from West Virginy, the babies being killed by Iraqis in Gulf War 1, the statue coming down, and so forth and so on, ad nauseum.

Freddy
13th August 03, 03:05 PM
patfromlogan- "I'm warning you, my wife made me get rid of the porno, now all I could copy that might be good would be live Grateful Dead or some jazz I copied off of NPR specials (Miles and Louis)."
Shucks!!! No porno!???!
Seriously I will send you what ever is good (or whatever I can dig up at home). If you have any good info. just let me know.
Did you actually see the Grateful Dead in concert? Dont tell me you were at Woodstock or something???




He He He





"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
Anton LaVey made me say it!

patfromlogan
13th August 03, 09:24 PM
When I was 17 me and a buddy were travelling all over the US and Canada and saw that the Dead were going to play. That was my first show, O'keefe Aud., Toronto, 1967. And no I didn't make Woodstock. Most of my early years were spent in Hawaii. I saw the Grateful Dead ten times, and as they say, "there's nothing like a Grateful Dead concert!"

FingerorMoon?
13th August 03, 10:48 PM
You misunderstood me Pat.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I LOVE conspiracy theories. I've read a ton of them, including some you mention.

http://www.disinfo.com
Their 3 books:
You are being lied to
Everything you know is wrong
Abuse your Illusions
are great for anyone who loves this stuff.

Its not very often you get a definitive answer though. The whole 'Jessica the fighting blonde' (I like that) is a good recent one. While it seems it all may be bullshit, no can prove it one way or the other.

patfromlogan
15th August 03, 10:24 AM
Oh, ok, sorry, and I do like disinfo., just read the part about


Kennedy, The Mob and Marilyn Monroe
Chuck Giancana's Double Cross (New York: Warner Books, 1992) is a dazzling biography, of sorts, depicts the life of Chicago mob boss Sam "Momo" Giancana, and his political ties, which included an unusually close relationship with the Kennedy family that ended up going sour.

Whata complex web they weave, when first they set out to deceive...

Freddy
15th August 03, 02:39 PM
Yu saw the Grateful Dead 10 times!!! Holy smoke! Admit it your an addict! A real concert junky!




"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
Anton LaVey made me say it!

Deadpan Scientist
17th August 03, 06:37 PM
Too bad. I don't I care about your bitchiness.


Too bad you can't punctuate a sentence correctly&

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aaronboyd2: Or you could quote ME quoting Freaky Friday
aaronboyd2: I LOOK LIKE THE CRYPT KEEPER

Deadpan Scientist
17th August 03, 07:06 PM
Brand, are you trying to be funny? Why be so insulting?

The truth can hurt, just ask kungfoolss how many people are hurt by what he says.



I've spent a lot of time in Mexico.

Cheap whores and booze, that must be why you "spend a lot of time" there



Go see the movie Frida and get a hint of what that country has to offer. This cultural superiority is repulsive.

Your stupidity is repulsive.



All countries have different things to offer.

Lets put this into perspective shall we, because this argument comes up in a debate we are all familiar with, the TMA vs MMA debate. In the united states, all countries are represented, and a citizen of the USA need only take a drive into a large city to find food, art, music, and theatre from across the globe. All in an environment relively free from crime(especially when compared to say, Mexico). We have a high standard of living(40% of mexicans live below the poverty line), and lower unemployment(the unemployment rate for the philipines is 10.2% according to the cia world factbook). The USA is better in every way, because we are economically superior, militarily superior, and we have the cultures of everyone that lives here.



This superiority shit reeks of facism. Fuck nazis. Fuck racism.

Seems like you think you're superior to the nazi's. A little hypocritical, don't you think.


"What the fuck is your problem with the Nazi's you insensitive prick?"-Deus Ex Machina

Your(patfromlogan) argument is a slippery slope, if one way of thinking is superior to another and should be wiped out, then that will eventually leave a single set of beliefs, and anyone that disagrees will be crushed.

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aaronboyd2: Or you could quote ME quoting Freaky Friday
aaronboyd2: I LOOK LIKE THE CRYPT KEEPER

patfromlogan
17th August 03, 11:30 PM
"The truth can hurt, just ask kungfoolss how many people are hurt by what he says." Gee, Brand, now you are modelling yourself after Kungfools? The guy that has been discredited and dis'd so many times and so well. The individual that has been "owned" so many times and so well. You have to be trying to be funny. You have to be trying to pull my leg. You can't be this obtuse.

Thinking we should respect other cultures and countries is a slippery slope that "that will eventually leave a single set of beliefs, and anyone that disagrees will be crushed." WTF?

Uh, you are a college student? Shit your logic is good enough, you'd better go for advanced degrees because you don't show enough common sense to make it outside of academia.

Note I'm trying not to respond to "Your stupidity is repulsive." Why ask why? Are you being funny like Boyd? Once again, I think you are pulling my leg, you can't be this dumb. Well my kid just got back from the Lokota/Sioux Pineridge res. where she spent a week building homes so I go listen to her stories 'cause she is way more interesting...............

Deadpan Scientist
18th August 03, 12:05 AM
Thinking we should respect other cultures and countries is a slippery slope that "that will eventually leave a single set of beliefs, and anyone that disagrees will be crushed." WTF?

I said that in response to your "Fuck Nazi's" comment. Your moral relativity doesn't seem to be consistent. We should respect all cultures and countries? Why don't you respect Nazi's? You're basically saying that it's ok to completely discount and attempt to destroy a way of thinking. When does it stop? Who gets to decide what way of thinking is correct?




Uh, you are a college student?

Yes, at a top 50 national university.



Shit your logic is good enough,

Thanks



you'd better go for advanced degrees because you don't show enough common sense to make it outside of academia.

I don't see anything here that makes me think I'm lacking in common sense. In fact, I see how your thought process is inconsistent. (BTW, I will be obtaining a masters degree this may. (Combined BS/MS in Biochemistry)



Note I'm trying not to respond to "Your stupidity is repulsive." Why ask why?

I'm only half joking. I find it funny that you tell me to watch a hollywood produced movie expose me to mexican culture. I live in a state that is over 50% mexican. I'd have to be walking around blindfolded and earplugged(?) to not experience mexican culture.




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aaronboyd2: Or you could quote ME quoting Freaky Friday
aaronboyd2: I LOOK LIKE THE CRYPT KEEPER

Deadpan Scientist
18th August 03, 12:06 AM
And tell your daughter I'm glad she's back from the slave labor camp you sent her to.

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aaronboyd2: Or you could quote ME quoting Freaky Friday
aaronboyd2: I LOOK LIKE THE CRYPT KEEPER

patfromlogan
18th August 03, 01:12 PM
Why do you reduce this to such a dumb level? "cheap whores and booze" maybe the reason you would go to Mexico, and perhaps that's why your conceptions are so weird. Do you ever read Mcdonald's Travis McGee books? He has a great description of disgustingly rich repulsive American boaters drinking and fucking teenage Mexican whores in one of his books. It just depends which road you see yourself on, Brand. Personally I've never had any sex with whores ever, I mean I was a hippie and we thought the 'swingers' and disco and all that stuff horrible, why would we go to a whore? Friendly women weren't all that hard to find, atleast in my youth (pre herpes, aids, warts, stds, etc etc) But like a was saying, there's a high road and a low road...

Now I'm not sure why I bother, maybe I just can't stand ignorance. I hope I made it clear that I love the U.S. (try to actually read that other post!), that said, I think blind cheer leading is ridiculous. One thing I know something about is health care. Here are a few facts:

1 U.S. has the most expensive health care costs on the planet. Roughly twice the amounts (@ $5000/per capita) of the average costs of the rest of the developed countries.

2 The U.S. is the ONLY dev. country that doesn't supply some sort of health care to all it's citizens. Around 50 mil are uninsured here.

3 The U.S. has higher infant mortality than EVERY country in Europe, and many Asian countries.

Now, those are just plain facts. We can all shout together USA! USA! USA! and perhaps the thinking process will be drownded out. I have other links that you would profit immeasurably from reading. Maybe if I offer to pay you $25 you'd read 'em? I could give you a quizz and pay pal you if you pass.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1020303,00.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/cohen1228.html

and while we read stories about the pet goat, the Japanese have made the winner of the 1986 Kentucky Derby and the 1987 Breeders' Cup Classic, Ferdinand, into pet food.