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Anna Kovacs
9th December 08, 10:38 PM
I guess I'll start off by saying that I liked the last punisher movie with Thomas Jane. It took it's time to get rolling but that always happens in "origin" stories. It's not one of my favorite movies but I still dug it.

I was skeptical when I saw that they had picked a new actor to play the punisher and that skepticism seems warrented now having seen the movie. The new punisher movie just didn't do it for me. I mean...it was ok...it was lots and lots of gratuitous violence and I'm down with that but overall it just felt like kind of a let-down. I actually felt ashamed and apologietic that I dragged a poor friend of mine to go see it with me.

I guess the most annoying thing was the soundtrack. I hate hate hate hated all the nu-metal crap they stuck in the movie. It was a total earache whenever that happened.

The main villain wasn't really all that villainous. He was basically an uglied up mobster peon and his crazy brother was more annoying then crazy. Seeing them get shot wasn't really all that fulfilling after watching hundreds of other guys bite it in much more creative ways.


If you're ok with a pretty terrible movie that has lots of gratuitous violence as the only motivating factor to continue watching it...please..go right ahead.

But frankly it's more of a download then a theatre watch imo.


The 2004 punisher played by thomas jane was more sympathetic, more human, and much more pleasant to look at.

The new guy seems to have basically been given all the appeal of an emotionally retarded teenage boy, and he ugly ,too.

Steve
9th December 08, 11:14 PM
Figured as much. What are your thoughts on the Dolph Lundgren version of the Punisher? I've always been a fan of his, not sp much based on his acting ability (obviously).

Anna Kovacs
9th December 08, 11:21 PM
I haven't seen that one in a long time, well...with the exception of I've rewatched the scene where he storms a dojo full of swordsmen and they all draw their swords and he mows them down in about 2 seconds with an m16. that scene is awesome.

I'd have to download it and watch it again to give an opinion

Steve
9th December 08, 11:26 PM
I've never seen it, hmm. Shit, I may have to DL it too, it's not on NetFlix. :(

CoffeeFan
10th December 08, 12:09 AM
The new one did look pretty bad, so I'll wait for netflix.

Here's a question: Did you enjoy it more then Daredevil or Ghost Rider?

Aphid Jones
10th December 08, 01:27 AM
Here's a question: Did you enjoy it more then Daredevil or Ghost Rider?
That's a Turd Sandwich vs. Giant Douche question.

Steve
10th December 08, 01:40 AM
That doesn't make it a valid question.

Leon S Kennedy
10th December 08, 02:23 AM
I thought the movie was fun to watch. Just a little generic. Felt more like this would be an episode from a Punisher TV series.

mrblackmagic
10th December 08, 03:29 AM
I loved it. Saw it for the second time yesterday. I always get a huge laugh out of the scene in the kitchen. Don't do drugs; always try to save face.

I did feel like something was missing. Like what happened to the Russian gang and the Irish gang at the end? Why didn't they explain McGinty to the uninitiated? You'd think most people would wonder why a black rasta would have and irish accent. I know they censored the violence so I guess I'll have to wait for the director's cut.

MrBadGuy
10th December 08, 09:54 AM
My favorite part was when the "Latin King" started talking WITH A FUCKING IRISH ACCENT. Have you ever heard spanish spoken with an irish accent?

Was it just me, or did all minorities have irish accents?

The acting was just horrible. I mean, I was expecting bad acting going into the movie. It's supposed to be a wham bam action movie, but man, it was just too bad.

Also, the punisher cries every 4 seconds. What a bitch.

Anna Kovacs
10th December 08, 11:41 AM
The new one did look pretty bad, so I'll wait for netflix.

Here's a question: Did you enjoy it more then Daredevil or Ghost Rider?

Yes, because the punisher had violence and violence is what I came for.

OZZ
10th December 08, 01:08 PM
As we discusssed on the other thread..I think the movie is going to be more popular with the readers of the MAX series because it is so true to these storylines.
But not likely a film that will find favor with casual movie fans.
I liked it.

Sun Wukong
10th December 08, 05:22 PM
blame the executive producer for the movies failures. she put in the lame numetal soundtrack and chopped out 20 minutes of footage AFTER the directors cut; whom was marginalized.

The exec producer also produced the 2004 punisher, which in itself means she's worthy of much loathing.

Sun Wukong
10th December 08, 05:27 PM
thomas jane was a shitty pick for the punisher. also, his dye job was shit.

mrblackmagic
10th December 08, 05:53 PM
I liked the songs by Pendulum and Justice....they're not nu-metal, nevermind.

Just for the uninitiated, the Punisher's home grown villians only come in two flavors: batshit insane and diehard batshit insane. The only super powered enemies the Punisher faced are hold overs from other series and the superheroes that they fought.

Excluding the Russian II, of course.

Sun Wukong
10th December 08, 06:06 PM
The Jane Thomas punisher was kind of a fag, the Dolf Lundgren punisher was too one dimensional (Dolf is incapable of showing any emotion at all other than apathy) and this punisher movie...

was gun porn?

mrblackmagic
10th December 08, 07:20 PM
The Punisher isn't exactly the Citizen Kane of comics either. I liked all of the movies, this last one the best.

OZZ
10th December 08, 09:40 PM
I cannot fathom why anyone likes the Dolph Lundgren version of The Punisher ..that one sucked rhino dicks, man. It was fucking terrible...
I watched it back in the 80's..maybe I missed something? I smoked a lot of dope in the 80's but I seem to recall that movie being pretty awful.
I mean, with a Russian who can barely act playing an American who is not easy to protray because so much of his expressiveness is through facial expressions and body language (Frank keeps the chit chat to a minimum, as any good Punisher fan knows)..how could it have possibly been any good?
I guess what I'm asking is - What was good about that particular version? Because it sure as hell wasn't his purple hair.

OZZ
10th December 08, 09:43 PM
blame the executive producer for the movies failures. she put in the lame numetal soundtrack and chopped out 20 minutes of footage AFTER the directors cut; whom was marginalized.

The exec producer also produced the 2004 punisher, which in itself means she's worthy of much loathing.

I have read a lot of bad shit about this woman..

Neildo
11th December 08, 04:07 AM
I cannot fathom why anyone likes the Dolph Lundgren version of The Punisher ..that one sucked rhino dicks, man. It was fucking terrible...
I watched it back in the 80's..maybe I missed something? I smoked a lot of dope in the 80's but I seem to recall that movie being pretty awful.
I mean, with a Russian who can barely act playing an American who is not easy to protray because so much of his expressiveness is through facial expressions and body language (Frank keeps the chit chat to a minimum, as any good Punisher fan knows)..how could it have possibly been any good?
I guess what I'm asking is - What was good about that particular version? Because it sure as hell wasn't his purple hair.

They fucked up his origin really bad but the end battle with the yakuza ninjas is great.

The Tom Jane punisher was pretty much a screenplay of volume 2 of the comics, except with more fucking with the origin.

i don't understand why they can't get that right. frank is a super badass ex-soldier whos family was killed by gangsters after witnessing a gang hit. how is that complicated?

Sun Wukong
11th December 08, 05:38 AM
I know right?

You killed the wrong dudes family in the park.

Not some big crazy uber slaughter like in the Jane version. They were there, and some dudes shot them all down to prevent witnesses.

It was short, sweet and simple.

Frank, goes super badass special forces mass murderer on their asses and the story practically writes itself after that.

The whole thing after that should look and feel like Sin City with Frank playing the part of Marv.

Why is that complicated?

mrblackmagic
11th December 08, 08:09 AM
I cannot fathom why anyone likes the Dolph Lundgren version of The Punisher ..that one sucked rhino dicks, man. It was fucking terrible...
I watched it back in the 80's..maybe I missed something? I smoked a lot of dope in the 80's but I seem to recall that movie being pretty awful.
I mean, with a Russian who can barely act playing an American who is not easy to protray because so much of his expressiveness is through facial expressions and body language (Frank keeps the chit chat to a minimum, as any good Punisher fan knows)..how could it have possibly been any good?
I guess what I'm asking is - What was good about that particular version? Because it sure as hell wasn't his purple hair.

I was 7 when I saw it.


I know right?

You killed the wrong dudes family in the park.

Not some big crazy uber slaughter like in the Jane version. They were there, and some dudes shot them all down to prevent witnesses.



That was one of the funnier parts of the movie.

Sun Wukong
11th December 08, 09:02 AM
That was one of the funnier parts of the movie.

Yeah, kinda not the point of a punisher movie though right?

In the jane version, the whole damn family is getting slaughtered outside and Frank's dad was all like, "let's get the shot gun, it's time to kick som ass son." Your aunt is getting her guts blasted all over the pavement along with the kids... and there was no emotion whatsoever going on until his kid gets aced.

The whole thing made no fucking sense.

Anna Kovacs
11th December 08, 09:55 AM
So I just watched my favorite scenes from the 2004 punisher and I'm completely struck by how much more classy it is. It's actually like a real movie.

I've never really read comic books but I did get the impression that War Zone is closer to the comics then the 04 movie but the 04 movie is just so much better as a stand-alone work.

Now I have to find time to watch the 80's one. if for no other reason then the dojo scene.

RaiNnyX4
11th December 08, 01:42 PM
So I just watched my favorite scenes from the 2004 punisher and I'm completely struck by how much more classy it is. It's actually like a real movie.

I've never really read comic books but I did get the impression that War Zone is closer to the comics then the 04 movie but the 04 movie is just so much better as a stand-alone work.

Now I have to find time to watch the 80's one. if for no other reason then the dojo scene.

I couldn't even get through half of the 2004 Punisher before shutting it off in disgust. I'm a huge fan of the Punisher and all, but I feel like even if I weren't, I still would've thought the movie sucked. It reeked of Hollywood bullshit. The new one sounds the same just with more gore and a shittier soundtrack.

mrblackmagic
12th December 08, 09:32 AM
Actually, the 04 Punisher movie drew from Punisher vol.2.

War Zone came from the Punisher Max series, which came afterwards

Neildo
14th December 08, 07:09 AM
I liked the new one. It just had some wtflol moments, that's all. like shooting the irish parkour guy with a rocket in midair. or walking down the street in full battle gear in broad daylight, and the cops not knowing where he is. or grandmas half head.

got his origin right this time, finally.

the only part i thought sucked was the fight with LBJ in the bathroom. punisher had a big fucking meat cleaver strapped to his leg, and he totally had the drop on him. and then he throws him at the wall of all things. should have thrown him out the nearest fucking window. also, frank castle would not use fucking beretta m93r's. he'd use a mac-10 before he even thought about picking up a beretta m93r. damnit.

http://neildato.googlepages.com/punisherlikeshis1911.JPG


regardless, best punisher movie yet.

Stick
15th December 08, 01:06 AM
I really want to see the director's cut of this movie.

That said, Ray Stevenson is the best Punisher yet, and frankly- not that it will happen- I'd want him to play the Punisher again... just with a better script.

Stevenson is the only one of the three guys to play the Punisher to actually look like he's ready, willing, and able to kill everyone in the room, and more than look it he was ready, willing, and able to kill everyone in the room.

Awesome stuff.

Sun Wukong
15th December 08, 01:15 AM
haven't seen this movie yet... will have to wait for DVD/BluRay...

Neil, when are you going to carry your ass down here so we can get sloshed, stoned and play video games til my wife files for divorce? One of the problems with always doing everything in Vancouver, is that I'm never at my own house and I feel so stifled by chinese family restraint. Mother in law at Van. condo... good woman... but not exactly inducing of relaxation and being worry free.

OZZ
15th December 08, 12:32 PM
I have to get out to BC to hang with you guys some time..I think we would have a blast. Maybe this spring..

Spade: The Real Snake
15th December 08, 03:35 PM
I haven't seen the new one but did see the Dolph and Tom Jane versions.

The new guy "looks" more like the Punisher...more grizzled, then Jane and Dolph. I didn't like the setting of the Jane version and hated Travolta as the villian and I didn't like the seeming religious undertones of the Dolph version...if memory serves.

I will say that Jane has a good respect for the comic medium, however and is tight with Steve Niles

OZZ
15th December 08, 05:30 PM
I actually liked the Jane version quite a bit until I read all the MAX storylines..then I hated it.

Neildo
15th December 08, 08:56 PM
Jane has 'the voice'. Sounds like what frank should sound like. Did the voiceover for the videogame, which i really enjoyed.

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Zendetta
15th December 08, 11:06 PM
worth saying: there is something about feeding a guy's face to piranhas or chroming his whole head that is, well, awesome.

Not a great game, but JEEZ, some serious brutality.

MaverickZ
21st December 08, 05:34 PM
Great movie. It really captured the feel of the MAX run. Both the character of Frank, the atmosphere of the movie, and the dialogue all seemed to pop right out of a comic book panel. I was very pleased with it. Except the comedic relief of that "Punisher taskforce" cop. Could have done without him. Otherwise, it was perfect.

Spade: The Real Snake
21st December 08, 08:58 PM
Except the comedic relief of that "Punisher taskforce" cop. Could have done without him. Otherwise, it was perfect.

Wait...so Detective Soap is in this?

Because he was from the Ennis run, if I'm not mistaken.

Like some useless cop that was put on the task of capturing the Punisher and is inept at it?

MaverickZ
21st December 08, 10:01 PM
That would describe the character perfectly. I don't remember him from the MAX comics, he must have been in Knights or some other one.

Sun Wukong
22nd December 08, 12:12 AM
I know I've been knocking Jane, but I have to say he's a fine actor. He just wasn't right for that role. Maybe it wasn't Jane, maybe it was the director and the script that just drove me fucking nuts.

Neildo
22nd December 08, 05:05 AM
Wait...so Detective Soap is in this?

Because he was from the Ennis run, if I'm not mistaken.

Like some useless cop that was put on the task of capturing the Punisher and is inept at it?

Yes, Det. Soap is in this. He is comic relief, and does his job just fine.

Shawarma
22nd December 08, 08:30 AM
worth saying: there is something about feeding a guy's face to piranhas or chroming his whole head that is, well, awesome.

Not a great game, but JEEZ, some serious brutality.
I thought it was absolutely marvelous. I thought the "score multiplier" thing was cool, gave you an impetus to not take any bullets as that broke your multiplier. I spent most of the game hiding behind a human shield for that reason.

And "Good worker....kept his nose to the grindstone" is one of the most awesome oneliners evar.

Spade: The Real Snake
22nd December 08, 10:59 AM
That would describe the character perfectly. I don't remember him from the MAX comics, he must have been in Knights or some other one.

He was in the same run as "Jane the Mouse", "Spacker Dave" and "Mr. Bumpo" all used in the Jane movie....I want to say early 1990s....

MaverickZ
22nd December 08, 08:58 PM
One thing I didn't expect though to be honest with you is Micro getting killed. That caught me off guard. I know it was in the comics, but still. Also, what a terrible terrible choice of actor.

mrblackmagic
22nd December 08, 10:41 PM
The Max series didn't have any recurring comedy relief so pulled both.

BTW, War Journal was the 90's run. Ennis' run with the Russian began in 2001.

AAAhmed46
23rd December 08, 10:44 PM
I guess I'll start off by saying that I liked the last punisher movie with Thomas Jane. It took it's time to get rolling but that always happens in "origin" stories. It's not one of my favorite movies but I still dug it.

I was skeptical when I saw that they had picked a new actor to play the punisher and that skepticism seems warrented now having seen the movie. The new punisher movie just didn't do it for me. I mean...it was ok...it was lots and lots of gratuitous violence and I'm down with that but overall it just felt like kind of a let-down. I actually felt ashamed and apologietic that I dragged a poor friend of mine to go see it with me.

I guess the most annoying thing was the soundtrack. I hate hate hate hated all the nu-metal crap they stuck in the movie. It was a total earache whenever that happened.

The main villain wasn't really all that villainous. He was basically an uglied up mobster peon and his crazy brother was more annoying then crazy. Seeing them get shot wasn't really all that fulfilling after watching hundreds of other guys bite it in much more creative ways.


If you're ok with a pretty terrible movie that has lots of gratuitous violence as the only motivating factor to continue watching it...please..go right ahead.

But frankly it's more of a download then a theatre watch imo.


The 2004 punisher played by thomas jane was more sympathetic, more human, and much more pleasant to look at.

The new guy seems to have basically been given all the appeal of an emotionally retarded teenage boy, and he ugly ,too.

While the 2004 punisher movie wasn't bad, and i agree it got more slack then it deserved..... it felt as if it was forcing you to feel sorry for him, it went out of it's way to make his families death look as horrific as possible.

Infact, i liked the 2004 punisher movie. (the body builder muscle guy who got stabbed was actually really stabbed accidently, and the guy continued the scene before getting treated. Lotsa muscle)

I would have liked it if his family got shot up like they did in the comic, simply the gangters are not personally motivated, tey didn't show too much brutality. THey just killed some people go got in the way.

Though it isn't as dramatic, it pushes that someone who close to you dying sucks, especially if they get KILLED. Because it's sucha common cliche in lots of movies and stories how a loved one gets killed, it doesn't affect the viewer as emotionally. When in reality, if that were to happen, if someone accidently dies, it still fucking sucks to you.

Okay so i wrote more then i wanted, but my point is that people expected a blood bath, and didn't get one.

I didn't mind, but everyone else did.




THe new punisher movie seems more true to punisher though, lots of people getting shot gratuitously.

Ing_Un_Podong
7th March 09, 07:36 PM
I actually missed a PUNISHER film, how can that be? Maybe no german version, is this a b movie?
Nevertheless, dloading right now.
Thanks Anna for making me accidently trip over this.

Neildo
7th March 09, 08:01 PM
i like the part when he shoots the dude with the thing. kapow splat lol

Spade: The Real Snake
7th March 09, 09:24 PM
I will be buying this on Blu Ray sight unseen

OZZ
11th March 09, 12:30 PM
I am actually shocked at how many people hate this movie. I've said it before and I'll say it again - this is as close as you can get to the MAX storlines within the context of film. The director made this movie FOR US (comic fans). Its great in that respect, and can easily cause me to overlook any flaws the film has.
I am willing to bet that Garth Ennis likes this version a hell of a lot more than the Thomas Jane version.
I had it downloaded a few days ago and I have already watched it twice, I also went to see it in the theatre.
Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I really liked it. About as true to the comic as you are going to get in a major film.

Zendetta
20th March 09, 05:36 PM
Netflix'd.

BTW, Annatrocity - your review of Rambo was spot-on: full-bodied wargasm!

Neildo
20th March 09, 08:03 PM
hell yeah dude.

Zendetta
22nd April 09, 06:31 PM
So, I finally got around to seeing this movie, and I gotta say it just about fucked the eyeballs right out of my head.

This is the kind of movie that causes castrated animals to spontaneously regrow their testicles.

Anybody who didn't LOVE this film was almost certainly raised by Communist Lesbians.

Not the cool kind of Gun-toting, Kick-You-In-The-Face, Naked Weapon Photos Killer Dyke like Kat. The bad kind that eats tofu and doesn't shave legs.

I think my favorite part was when the Punisher wasted McGinty's gang. You are expecting a drawn-out parkour fight; instead he blows one dude up with a rocket launcher and shoots McGinty in the knees. Hell yeah!

In conclusion, this Punisher could snap Thomas Jane in half, this movie owns the holy hell outta everything up to Rambo, and if you didn't like it, its because you are the Limp-Dicked Son of Lesbian Communists who made you feel Bad about being a Man.

OZZ
22nd July 09, 03:34 PM
Zen..you got it right this time, man. Any Punisher fan who has read and loved the MAX series with Garth Ennis' scripts should have a fucking shrine built for this movie..its great. My buddy in Toronto got the movie poster and laminated for me and I immediately found a place for it on my man cave wall next to my Scarface poster.
In case some of you younger folk don't know what a man cave is - its the one room you get to yourself in your house after you get married. The wife gets decorating trump in all areas but one - the man cave. It is usually a basement rec room. In my case its a basement rec room that also serves as a guest room (pull out couch) when need be. But I don't keep my good comics down there because of the humidity.
However, regarding the DVD version of Punisher :Warzone - I just picked up the 2 disc special edition and was a little disappointed to find that there is no extended version or deleted scenes. The extras are very regular, actually. Although there is a feature entitled 'Training to Become the Punisher' that is quite fun..could come in handy down the road if I decide to go apeshit insane one day.
I expected there to be a somewhat longer, perhaps even more violent (if that's possible) version on this dvd. I hope they aren't milking it and releasing a Director's cut later on..