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Artful Dentures
14th November 08, 03:43 PM
One of things that struck me about Ian Flemming literary James Bond was that he was a WWII RAF vet, and as such by the time we meet the 40 year old James Bond in the books we get a feeling that one way or another this is a guy who has been fighting a war for a very long time, first against the Nazi's then the Soviets.

One of the things I really like about the way they are dealing with Daniel Craig and this James Bond, is I get the same feeling.

He's not someone who just was born a super spy, but he's a soldier who is fighting a war.

And he has to make moral choices that he doesn't even have time to consider or he dies.

I won't talk about the plot details because in many ways they're irrelevant what. What I do want to talk about is the tone of the movie.

In my opinion Daniel Craig captures that almost shell shocked keep on fighting no matter what feeling that was never captured in the movies.

And it's amazing I can't wait to see what they do next.

I am glad the bad guy he shoots form the last movie gets away and doesn't panic at the opera scene I hope they bring him back as a Blofeldish type of super nemesis or something

Zendetta
14th November 08, 04:06 PM
I re-watched Casino Royalle last night. One of the best Bond Films, imo.

When he kills the african dud with the rear naked choke, you can see he has his hooks in. Gotta love that attention to detail and authenticity.

cyrijl
14th November 08, 04:09 PM
I just thought Casino started off great and then just went on too long. I hope Quantum has only one ending and not three like the last one.

WarPhalange
14th November 08, 04:41 PM
He's not someone who just was born a super spy, but he's a soldier who is fighting a war.

And he has to make moral choices that he doesn't even have time to consider or he dies.

So it's like Metal Gear Solid. Cool.

Tanhalen21
14th November 08, 07:14 PM
When he kills the african dud with the rear naked choke, you can see he has his hooks in.

This quote has made it into my signature.

Ajamil
15th November 08, 02:21 AM
i liked the new one - it really seemed to get the twists of a spy movie right while developing the new Bond further. I also found it rather refreshing to see that the femme figure in Casino is actually impacting the next movie - continuity FTW!

Phrost
15th November 08, 11:27 AM
Excellent movie. Yeah, it definitely seems like they rebooted SPECTRE too.

bob
15th November 08, 07:18 PM
I'm still trying to get over the fact that Daniel Craig looks about 10-15 years away from wearing a tied up handkerchief on his head and complaining about the damage to his lettuce patch.

Equipoise
15th November 08, 10:01 PM
Was that a Monty Python reference?

bob
15th November 08, 10:03 PM
Partially.

WarPhalange
15th November 08, 10:10 PM
There's just something about this guy's face I don't like. I don't know. He just doesn't have that "bond" look.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c9/300px-Bonds-6.jpg

He looks like he'd be better as a badguy.

EDIT: Oh, I got it. He doesn't have that "slickness" to him like the others. Kind of like noble blood mixed with car-salesman.

Artful Dentures
15th November 08, 10:22 PM
There's just something about this guy's face I don't like. I don't know. He just doesn't have that "bond" look.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c9/300px-Bonds-6.jpg

He looks like he'd be better as a badguy.

EDIT: Oh, I got it. He doesn't have that "slickness" to him like the others. Kind of like noble blood mixed with car-salesman.


That's actually why he's the closest to the book character than anyone else

Flemings Bond was a scary dude and the only thing that sperates him from the bad guys is who he works for

bob
15th November 08, 10:29 PM
As written, the Fleming Bond was a physically unimposing guy who was frequently outmuscled, scared and full of doubt. He was far from a superhero. In that respect the new Bond captures his vulnerability well (though that's as much writing as the acting). He was also smooth, debonair and a borderline alcoholic (who actually felt the ill effects of alcohol).

Craig's a good Bond, no doubt. I just wish he wouldn't make that cat's arse mouth so often.

Ajamil
16th November 08, 06:30 AM
Craig's a good Bond, no doubt. I just wish he wouldn't make that cat's arse mouth so often.

Seconded. It's like Matt Damon and his wrinkly, skin stretching smile.

Artful Dentures
16th November 08, 01:35 PM
As written, the Fleming Bond was a physically unimposing guy who was frequently outmuscled, scared and full of doubt. He was far from a superhero. In that respect the new Bond captures his vulnerability well (though that's as much writing as the acting). He was also smooth, debonair and a borderline alcoholic (who actually felt the ill effects of alcohol).

Craig's a good Bond, no doubt. I just wish he wouldn't make that cat's arse mouth so often.


I have to find my books and reread them but as I remember he was unremarkable looking - i.e. didn't stand out, which isn't the same things as physically unimposing. (although maybe I am misinterpreting what you mean)

Flemnig got the name James Bond from a book on birds as it was the Authors name and the most boring Flemming could think of.

And Craig gets his ass kicked and wins just like book bond does

WarPhalange
16th November 08, 02:03 PM
If you want a Bond that doesn't stand out, then the next one should have a receding hairline and a bit of a beer belly.

Have him do the same stunts, though. That would be pretty cool. Imagine all the stunts in this movie done by a middle aged overweight man.

Wounded Ronin
16th November 08, 02:13 PM
Firstly, you guys are all right that the most recent Bond is most like the novel character.

Secondly, did they give Bond back his Walther PPK? That's terrific and awesome. I always felt it was glib and cheap how in some of the Pierce Bronsan Bond films they quietly upgraded him to all these futuristic polymer handguns with bells and whistles when the character's trademark was the Walther PPK.

Neildo
16th November 08, 03:51 PM
Yeah they did. just for one scene, but it was definitely the PPK.

EuropIan
16th November 08, 03:54 PM
How is the villain?

Neildo
16th November 08, 03:58 PM
not telling.

Cullion
16th November 08, 04:33 PM
Firstly, you guys are all right that the most recent Bond is most like the novel character.

Agreed. Could be a touch more mysogynistic maybe,



Secondly, did they give Bond back his Walther PPK? That's terrific and awesome. I always felt it was glib and cheap how in some of the Pierce Bronsan Bond films they quietly upgraded him to all these futuristic polymer handguns with bells and whistles when the character's trademark was the Walther PPK.

I agree. Sure, they aren't making the Bond Films as mid-20th century cold war period pieces, but the Walther PPK is still made today, and if Bond is used to it and trusts it, there's no reason for him to ditch it.

EuropIan
16th November 08, 04:34 PM
not telling.
Great vs. not great

partyboy
16th November 08, 04:49 PM
just saw it, not a bad movie

bob
17th November 08, 06:00 AM
I have to find my books and reread them but as I remember he was unremarkable looking - i.e. didn't stand out, which isn't the same things as physically unimposing. (although maybe I am misinterpreting what you mean)



He was described as about 6 feet tall and 75kg. He could handle himself hand to hand but would run a mile before fighting someone much bigger or more skilled than himself (of which there were plenty), or more than one opponent.

Obviously that doesn't really fly for a modern action hero though.

partyboy
17th November 08, 10:30 AM
He was described as about 6 feet tall and 75kg. He could handle himself hand to hand but would run a mile before fighting someone much bigger or more skilled than himself (of which there were plenty), or more than one opponent.

Obviously that doesn't really fly for a modern action hero though.

RUN AWAY! RUN AWWWAAAYYYYYY!

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Halfrican
17th November 08, 01:37 PM
new villain did a great job, the plot felt a little insignificant compared to the usual bond stories, but that isn't his fault. He made an awesome scumbag.

mrblackmagic
17th November 08, 03:48 PM
I'm impressed that the new movies actually treats the 00 agent with a license to kill as an assassin like in the books not a fucking super spy.

Although, I do miss the larger than life villians from yester-years. Another casualty of gritty realism, I suppose.

Shawarma
17th November 08, 05:33 PM
Do you consider a superterrorist who invests money for other terrorists and then uses terrorism to increase his stock values as being gritty realism?

partyboy
17th November 08, 05:47 PM
guys, guys... there was a woman... drowned in OIL! ...and she was naked!

how cool is that?

mrblackmagic
18th November 08, 12:17 AM
Do you consider a superterrorist who invests money for other terrorists and then uses terrorism to increase his stock values as being gritty realism?

You just described Dick Cheney.


Seriously, He doesn't have metal teeth, a cat, or a criminal empire he created out of boredom.

cuatro76
1st December 08, 12:45 AM
I liked how they tied up the loose ends of the Vesper storyline while leaving the future wide open for the new bad guys.

Also the Craig/Dench dynamic is way better than the Brosnan/Dench dynamic. Dench's M now has more gravity to her as she attempts to keep Craig's loose canon Bond under control, never quite trusting him fully.

Artful Dentures
1st December 08, 09:09 AM
The glimpse of Dench's home life and the political difficulties of her job is very interesting and brings in a new element into the franchise that I like a lot.

RickTheCritic
2nd December 08, 08:59 PM
Decent movie but it didnt feel like a bond picture. The editing and cuts were very quick. In truth It felt like a borne movie with bad car chase scenes. I couldnt really enjoy the experience because it was over to quickly. This doesnt really matter because this movie is just set up for the SPECTRE reboot( I liked that about the movie).

"You must remember we have people everywhere"

cuatro76
3rd December 08, 01:47 AM
No doubt the Bond franchise needed to be rebooted and the Bourne movies were the template to base it on. Bourne does have better car chases. But Bond has Parkour chases!

RickTheCritic
3rd December 08, 09:46 AM
No doubt the Bond franchise needed to be rebooted and the Bourne movies were the template to base it on. Bourne does have better car chases. But Bond has Parkour chases!

The bond franchise was rebooted by Casino Royale, one of the best bond movies yet, I liked it better then all the Bourne movies combined. Quatum of Solace just dropped the ball, the plot was so so, the movie was to short making everything feel rushed and the villain was boring.

Phrost
3rd December 08, 12:52 PM
The villain wasn't the villain though; he was effectively just an avatar for the Quantum organization. And I'd like to think it was rushed because Bond was able to just walk through him, setting it up as contrast for the next film when he has to actually face Quantum's full force.

RickTheCritic
3rd December 08, 05:10 PM
The villain wasn't the villain though; he was effectively just an avatar for the Quantum organization. And I'd like to think it was rushed because Bond was able to just walk through him, setting it up as contrast for the next film when he has to actually face Quantum's full force.

agreed

Shawarma
17th December 08, 07:54 AM
This movie was messy, confusing and made little sense. I literally LOLed when I realised that QoS wanted to steal the water from Bolivia. Whoa, worthwhile shit there, homies, you just managed to steal the water from a bunch of dirt poor peasants in one of the poorest and most ridiculous countries in South America, and that's saying something, considering the neighbourhood.
I mean, they pretty much lifted the water stealing cattle rustler type plot from John Wayne movies.
And if QoS is supposed to be some kind of super corporation of profiteering moneymen, why did the bad guy du jour and his cronies all look like guys who suck dick in public lavatories for a fiver? I'd expect some hard, smooth corporate types, not southern european asspirates.

As for the action sequences: I FUCKING HATE this new-fangled shakycam method of shooting action scenes. It's supposed to make it more intense and engaging, instead it just confuses and pisses me off. Braveheart, another horribly overrated sack of shit, started this trend with its fucking battle scenes seemingly shot by an epileptic cameraman, which has sadly caught on since then.

Two good parts to this film: Good intro sequence and solid performances from M, Bond, the General and Mathis. Everything else was eminently forgettable.

Zendetta
17th December 08, 02:08 PM
You do know that water privatization is a major issue in south america right now, right?

I don't think it made the best Bond plot, but the issue is very current and, frankly, is already affecting many more people than Dr. Evil's Space Laser or the Nude Bomb.

WarPhalange
17th December 08, 02:09 PM
The villain wasn't the villain though; he was effectively just an avatar for the Quantum organization. And I'd like to think it was rushed because Bond was able to just walk through him, setting it up as contrast for the next film when he has to actually face Quantum's full force.

What the fuck. There is an organization calling itself "Quantum"?

Phrost
17th December 08, 02:45 PM
Well it beats S.P.E.C.T.R.E. or S.H.I.E.L.D.

WarPhalange
17th December 08, 02:50 PM
They should just name it H.A.R.D.O.N

partyboy
17th December 08, 02:51 PM
I'm anxiously awaiting a movie to have the Free American Government Geological Organization of Twisted Sisters...

WarPhalange
17th December 08, 02:53 PM
F = Federal
2nd G = Global
T = (against) Terrorists?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
17th December 08, 03:05 PM
police departments regularly call their anti-drug units stupid names like Team ICE or some bullshit. Get it, because they're going after meth? Names really are that stupid in real life.

Phrost
17th December 08, 03:25 PM
They should just be Enterprising Villains In League.

Kiko
17th December 08, 03:33 PM
CONTROL
KAOS

That is all!

polishillusion
26th December 08, 08:32 PM
Maddox hates it and so do I.

http://maddox.xmission.com

Neildo
26th December 08, 08:37 PM
wow. maddox. i totally forgot about him. good for lulz in um...2003?

Phrost
26th December 08, 08:57 PM
2003? Shit, try 2001.

polishillusion
26th December 08, 09:11 PM
2003? Shit, try 2001.

227,772,308 people think I'm right about everything.

WarPhalange
26th December 08, 09:16 PM
It's sad to see him try to cling on to his 15 minutes of fame.

polishillusion
26th December 08, 09:20 PM
It's sad to see him try to cling on to his 15 minutes of fame.

It's sadder to think of the millions he has made, as well as the fact that he had a best selling book, has a tv show in the works, and has one of the most popular web sites on the internet.

Very sad.

Tanhalen21
26th December 08, 09:21 PM
It's sadder to think of the millions he has made, as well as the fact that he had a best selling book, has a tv show in the works, and has one of the most popular web sites on the internet.

Very sad.
It's also quite sad that he has a Pollack so far up his ass that he is probably having trouble breathing.

polishillusion
26th December 08, 09:24 PM
It's also quite sad that he has a Pollack so far up his ass that he is probably having trouble breathing.

Very true.

Shawarma
26th December 08, 09:44 PM
Maddox? Thought he was dead. But I gotta say that I agree with everything he said in his review, especially the part about "Bolivia? Who gives a fuck about Bolivia. Go twart some plots to build giant lazorz on Mars instead, Mr. Bond."

Fuck realism, Bond is better cheesy.

Neildo
26th December 08, 10:00 PM
NO WAI I LIEKS TEH REALZM!! >:(

polishillusion
26th December 08, 10:09 PM
NO WAI I LIEKS TEH REALZM!! >:(

It's sad that they made it "more real then real" because they only had the bad guy doubling the price of water instead of tripling it like in real life.

kultist
11th January 09, 12:28 PM
Maddox? Thought he was dead. But I gotta say that I agree with everything he said in his review, especially the part about "Bolivia? Who gives a fuck about Bolivia. Go twart some plots to build giant lazorz on Mars instead, Mr. Bond."

Fuck realism, Bond is better cheesy.

You realise just how godawful the last "space lazor" bond was don't you? I'll take it apart in case you didn't and name just a few of the things wrong with it:

1) Crap gadgets. Invisible car. Glass shattering ring. Why does he need a glass shattering ring? Bond has a pistol and often a supressor, he could just shoot the damn stuff. If I remember right, the invisible car was used so he could park his car without the bad guys knowing he was in the wrong car park. Craig bond would have shot a henchman, stole his parking pass, dumped him somewhere and slapped that on his windscreen saving MI6 millions.

2) Stupid movie crutches nicked from the other Brosnan movies. Bond sleeps with mildly suspicious hot woman who then betrays him. Why, that seems gripping and exciting but I have a sense of deja vu, almost like the exact same thing already happened in The World Is Not Enough.

3) Insanely retarded plot. It could have been the plot for Austin Powers and you wouldn't have noticed. First, Bond kills some north korean, who through the magic of total fucking body transplants becomes someone else and has a magic fibre optic sleep machine that means he doesn't need to nap. What the fuck? He somehow manages to also be a famous scandinavian millionaire who appeared out of fucking nowhere with a hand in every pie, a secret ice castle, Air Force One and a giant sun lazer. Who is also Olympian in several sports. The sheer number of plot holes is stunning.

4) Stupid death traps. When they trap Haille Berry in the ice castle to die I can hear Scott Evil yelling "Dad, just shoot him! I'll go get my gun, we can do this together!". The spinning death lazer scene with all the ducking and doging is straight outta 1998. Neither of those come close to the girt sunbeam trying to fry bond in the rocket sled. Even assuming the rotatary mechanisms for that satelite were so slow that it could not have been sped up a little bit faster and fried bond, they could have just doubled the area of the beam. It would still have been strong enough to vapourize bond. Craig bond on the other hand would have had no time for that crap. Craig bond would have used a dead henchmans belt to tie the accellerator to the floor of the sled, took his uniform and returned to the Big Bad's sekret base while they tried to zap a seld with nothing in it.

Die another day was shockingly bad and never managed to move out of the ninetees. To say that the grittiness of Quantum should be scrapped to make way for more dreck like that is not a sensible opinion.

Shawarma
13th January 09, 07:39 AM
I'm talking about schlock from the good old days, not from the Piss Brosnan era of Bond-age. To be true, the series should probably have been axed before Brosnan came and removed the schlocky charm of the character with his wooden acting and boring-ass college professor voice.

Neildo
13th January 09, 08:04 AM
i liked brosnan as bond. better than dalton. hell, if he had a bit more charisma i'd say he was better than moore. connery trumps all of course. haven't seen the one with lazenby in it yet, that one is hard to find. he only did one though so he's probably crap. if brosnan had better gadgets and nemesis' then he'd have been a better bond, and goldeneye inspired the best game the N64 ever had on it. so there :p

Shawarma
13th January 09, 08:14 AM
Suck my giant space lazor, bitch, Brosnan is an atrocious actor and just doesn't have the superior smooveness that Moore displayed as Bond. Keanu Reeves could have played as good a Bond as Brosnan did.

And Dalton was actually a pretty good Bond, it's just that the plot of the movie he's remembered for was so grim and unpleasant (Bond's good friend fed to sharks, wife gangraped and killed, Bond goes on vicious vigilante killing spree) that it just wasn't very Bondy and isn't considered very good by most people. I agree - It was far too grim for Bond, which should be schlocky.

Artful Dentures
13th January 09, 09:53 AM
Why should bond be Schlocky?

Shawarma
13th January 09, 10:58 AM
For me, it's the niche it fills. I mean, you can get hard-chargin' gung-ho secret agent superhero sex machines on in just about every movie franchise but James Bond is the man you want when Dr. Deranged genetically engineers a giant cyborg space hamster to take over the world. Jason Bourne, Jack Bauer and all the other faggots can do all the other stuff, but thwarting outrageous world-domination plots while NEVER getting his awesome tuxedo dirty and being suave towards all the ladies, that's James Bonds fucking job.

Feryk
13th January 09, 11:22 AM
Keanu Reeves could have played as good a Bond as Brosnan did.


Pierce Brosnan should have you assraped for this.

Shawarma
13th January 09, 01:52 PM
Pierce Brosnan would do it himself and enjoy it.

kultist
14th January 09, 02:34 PM
For me, it's the niche it fills. I mean, you can get hard-chargin' gung-ho secret agent superhero sex machines on in just about every movie franchise but James Bond is the man you want when Dr. Deranged genetically engineers a giant cyborg space hamster to take over the world. Jason Bourne, Jack Bauer and all the other faggots can do all the other stuff, but thwarting outrageous world-domination plots while NEVER getting his awesome tuxedo dirty and being suave towards all the ladies, that's James Bonds fucking job.

Yeah, that was James Bond's job pre-Mike Myers. New times demand new heroes. Die Another Day is what happens when you let nostalgia take precedence over good filmaking.

Artful Dentures
14th January 09, 03:50 PM
The first half of die an other day right up until the invisible car was excellent.


The pacing and style of the sword fight scene was brilliantly executed.

Then the invisible car came

too bad

Feryk
14th January 09, 04:13 PM
Pierce Brosnan would do it himself and I would enjoy it.

Fixed

Zendetta
14th January 09, 04:24 PM
I think Sean Connery deserves his own thread.

Shawarma
14th January 09, 04:25 PM
Fixed
Well, that goes without saying.

EuropIan
27th January 09, 08:00 AM
I just watched this movie.

So this was the Bourne Identity 4, right?

And goddamnit that boat scene was atrocious.

EuropIan
27th January 09, 10:28 AM
Bond can do no wrong heathen! Britney will be the next Bond girl!
Well you are lucky, since it was Bourne not Bond.

kultist
29th January 09, 12:26 PM
Well you are lucky, since it was Bourne not Bond.

It wasn't between Bond and Bourne. It was between Bourne and glorified Powers. Yes, the fight scenes all look identical to Bourne fight scenes. This is not such a bad thing. Seriously, there have not been decent fight scenes in Bond since the days of You Only Live Twice, and that was by 60's standards.

Fight scenes in ninetees Bond films were dreadful. Especially the one where the asian chick starts TKD slapkicking a bunch of badguys and one hit KO's them all. No leg sweeps, no cool locks, no judo throws, no use of hands whatsoever, just a bunch of foot flicks with crap sound effects. Then in a bond 'comedy moment' telegraphed from two miles, one guy holds a gun to her head so Brosnan comes from behind and KOs him with a hook.

They were almost as bad as the gunfights, which involved bad guys who had all gone to the Imperial Stormtrooper Finishing School to an extent where it was almost unwatchable. Oh, and bullets sparking off absolutely everything that they hit to boot.

Yeah, QoS had a good few irritating things about it. Yeah, they should have asked the guys from Operation Flashpoint to do the fight coreography. Yeah, a few less chases would have been good. Yeah, the boat chase was guilty of the same damn lack of accuracy by badguys with machine guns that I just lambasted Brosnan films for. But the film was actually awesome. Besides Casino Royale, what Bond films of the last 2 decades or so were actually any better?

TheLordHumungus
29th January 09, 02:56 PM
It's also quite sad that he has a Pollack so far up his ass that he is probably having trouble breathing.

It's polak. Everyone spells that wrong. You don't see ppl messing up french, american, german, or italian.

TheLordHumungus
29th January 09, 03:01 PM
I think Sean Connery deserves his own thread.

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Hells yeah! What a REAL MAN! Women frustrating you with their words? Smack them bitches!!!1!

Zendetta
29th January 09, 03:03 PM
Seriously, there have not been decent fight scenes in Bond since the days of You Only Live Twice, and that was by 60's standards.


So, did you not see Casino Royale, or do you just not know enough about fighting to appreciate what you saw?

kultist
2nd February 09, 06:51 PM
So, did you not see Casino Royale, or do you just not know enough about fighting to appreciate what you saw?

Sorry, I had meant to include casino royale in that list, as the fight scenes were quite similar to quantum.

Shawarma
2nd February 09, 06:56 PM
I really dislike modern day fight scenes. All this shaky-cam "just like you are there" business that every movie's been whoring since Braveheart came out relly irritates me as do the sound effects which have, for some reason, become more exaggerated since the nineties to the point where it's now almost 70ies kung-fu schlock, except with ARGHS and OOFS and THUDS rather than WATAAAHs.

Bringing WATAAAAHs back would work wonders towards restoring the awesomity of mainstream action movie fight scenes. Or having Tony Jaa act in all of them.

kultist
3rd February 09, 09:17 PM
I really dislike modern day fight scenes. All this shaky-cam "just like you are there" business that every movie's been whoring since Braveheart came out relly irritates me as do the sound effects which have, for some reason, become more exaggerated since the nineties to the point where it's now almost 70ies kung-fu schlock, except with ARGHS and OOFS and THUDS rather than WATAAAHs.

Bringing WATAAAAHs back would work wonders towards restoring the awesomity of mainstream action movie fight scenes. Or having Tony Jaa act in all of them.

You have a point about shaky cam. It felt really annoying in quantum because there were decent fight scenes except you couldn't see shit.

Feryk
4th February 09, 01:22 PM
NOB lies. I felt like I was about to vomit. For me, those scenes really turn me off the movies. Still love Bond and Quantum, but the fight scenes were a definite minus.

Feryk
4th February 09, 02:47 PM
I saved that for Strawberry Fields. I am old. Not dead.

kultist
5th February 09, 09:48 PM
Hell, I like the fight scenes, they're really well made, they just have godawful camera work which makes them suck.

Shawarma
8th February 09, 01:27 PM
I liked the old fight scene where Connery beats up a guy in a moving elevator. Primitive, gritty and brutal and you could actually see what was going on.

Other than that, resurrect James Cagney and have him do stuff this awesome for all action movies:
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partyboy
8th February 09, 02:38 PM
classic... I still laugh at the kick to the face to get out of the arm bar

DAYoung
21st March 09, 05:26 PM
Watched it a couple of nights ago.

It's not quite as good as Casino Royale, but still excellent.

The overall pacing was incredible, the action gritty if not plausible, and Craig was - as always - a robust, striking, expressive hero.

They could've had a little more of the Bond in Bond; more of the character you find in the books (the Bond who debates East/West relations and is horrified by suicide You Only Live Twice, laments American ugliness in Live and Let Die, or feels slightly out of place in the gentlemen's club in, well, all of them).

But, all in all, very good.

bob
21st March 09, 07:54 PM
Needed more vulnerability. They're dangerously on the verge of turning him back into a superhero, which I thought they'd turned away from in Casino Royale.

DAYoung
21st March 09, 08:44 PM
Needed more vulnerability. They're dangerously on the verge of turning him back into a superhero, which I thought they'd turned away from in Casino Royale.

Yes, I agree.

Daniel Craig has a certain vulnerability to him - certainly more than Brosnan.

But the plot and character development needed more human drama, anxiety, loss, and so on.

(Of course, in the books, most observers don't see this. Only the readers, privy to Bond's mind, experience this.)

Neildo
21st March 09, 09:28 PM
oooh goody, dvdrips are coming. i hope they have subtitles this time.

bob
21st March 09, 09:29 PM
One aspect I did like was how Bond started on the path of a remorseless killer only to pull back just a little at the end. In most of the earlier movies Bond dispatched villains with a one liner and no second thought. At least with this one they made some effort to portray the effect it has on someone when they're forced to kill.

DAYoung
21st March 09, 11:35 PM
One aspect I did like was how Bond started on the path of a remorseless killer only to pull back just a little at the end. In most of the earlier movies Bond dispatched villains with a one liner and no second thought. At least with this one they made some effort to portray the effect it has on someone when they're forced to kill.

The very quick knife fight was quite arresting.

DAYoung
22nd March 09, 03:42 PM
You guys are ruining my afterglow with your negativity.

I imagine that's a common phrase for you.

bob
22nd March 09, 03:44 PM
"Uh, NOB, is that all?"

"QUITE RUINING MY AFTERGLOW!"

Feryk
23rd March 09, 11:58 AM
I thought that was every morning.

DAYoung
23rd March 09, 09:45 PM
Saw The Dark Knight.

Not bad. Ledger was good: a real, palpable transformation. But I wouldn't say it was a work of genius.

What appealed was the film as a whole: sound, lighting, pacing, plotting, and some of the characters (e.g. Dent worked, Rachel didn't). It was a well-produced....er...product.

Feryk
24th March 09, 02:16 PM
^???

partyboy
24th March 09, 02:33 PM
lol

Feryk
24th March 09, 03:22 PM
I don't count oral or missionary. I only count anal.

Hers or yours?

Feryk
24th March 09, 03:26 PM
NOB, keep this up and I'm sending your girl a congratulatory wedding present.

And you won't like it....or maybe you will.

DAYoung
24th March 09, 04:11 PM
^???

What.

Feryk
24th March 09, 05:45 PM
Wondering why you posted a review of The Dark Knight in a QoS thread?

DAYoung
24th March 09, 06:48 PM
Wondering why you posted a review of The Dark Knight in a QoS thread?

It was less an official review, and more a 'hey, we're having a conversation about films, I'll mention Dark Knight' moment.

EuropIan
25th March 09, 04:17 AM
It was less an official review, and more a 'hey, we're having a conversation about films, I'll mention Dark Knight' moment.
Rachel wasn't appealing to me because she couldn't convince me she was smart.

Maggie Gyllenhal is adorable though.

DAYoung
25th March 09, 04:28 AM
Maggie Gyllenhal is adorable though.

Absolutely.

Not Hollywood glamorous, but obscenely cute, sexy, quirky, and a little dorky (and, you know, not gym-buff, either).

I like cute, slightly awkward women. A bit dorky, yet irresistible, like me.

EuropIan
25th March 09, 04:33 AM
I do not want to ruin your ideal of maggie and show you the daily show interview.

DAYoung
25th March 09, 04:40 AM
I am Picard's palmed face.

EuropIan
25th March 09, 04:42 AM
I am Janeway's experimental hairdoo

bob
25th March 09, 04:48 AM
I am Janeway's experimental hairdoo

Which is coincidentally well suited to Lego recreation.

EuropIan
25th March 09, 04:52 AM
Which is coincidentally well suited to Lego recreation.
Which season?

bob
25th March 09, 04:55 AM
Any really.

But not as much as pretty much any Vulcan character you can name.

EuropIan
25th March 09, 04:57 AM
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