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Dennis Nist
9th May 08, 02:41 PM
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http://www.clipstr.com/videos/RiseOfRussianSkinheadsAndTheirBrutalAttacks/
http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1190938614/Russian_Skinheads_Attack_Random_People_on_the_Stre et (wtf music)


Where are you when you are needed?
I think the attacks exceed 100 just this year. And now they try too murder their victims too.

Steve
9th May 08, 04:07 PM
Russian nazis, eh? Stupid fucks.

Although this skinhead made my day:


See here how skinhead kills da fucking chav.
he doesn't actually kill him, just gives the dude what he deserves

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Found it because it was the top related video to the YouTube in the OP.

jubei33
9th May 08, 05:12 PM
who are they attacking? those Fucking nazis, they're wacky.

boondock lee
9th May 08, 06:14 PM
Fuck the Antifas, we need Fedor on this shit pronto. Only He can save Russia from the nazis.

http://www.calgarysun.com/images/blog_uploads/EmelianenkoFedor21.jpg

kungfujew
9th May 08, 06:26 PM
http://current.com/items/84906361_from_russia_with_hate

Here's an excellent short piece on the phenomenon.

Shawarma
9th May 08, 06:30 PM
Dude, the Russians side with the nazis in this case. There aren't many blacks, Arabs or asians for the skinheads to hate but there ARE the Caucasian immigrants, whom Slavs love to hate. I believe the Russian term for them translates to "Blackasses."

And you don't want the eastern european antifas to fight the skinheads. Because they'd get butchered. They're outnumbered 100 to 1. Kinda funny, seeing as how it's the exact opposite in western Europe.

socratic
9th May 08, 07:32 PM
That video is fucking disgusting.

A finer bunch of cowards, liars and idiots I have never seen. If there is a Hell, those fuckers are going to it.

Why has nothing been done about these attacks? Is the current regime really that useless, or do they side with the Nazis?

And why the fuck don't Russians realise Hitler tried to rape their country out of existence? If you asked each and every one of those Nazis what their grandfathers were doing in the 40s, they'd probably tell you their grandfather was killed by German forces.

Fuck, this shit makes me furious.

ICY
9th May 08, 07:38 PM
David Duke makes more money and gets a better reception in Russia than anywhere else.

Cullion
9th May 08, 07:45 PM
I'm amazed that anybody with half a brain finds this puzzling or complex.

Poor white gentiles feel threatened bcoz they're poor.

They want to feel like t3h man to overcome crushing boredom and feelings of low status.

Therefore they form a physically aggressive 'young broke white gentile' movement.
The ethnic group which they express the most anger towards, will be the one which locally presents the greatest apparent threat to their money earning or pussy-chasing prospects.


To be clear, this is not an endorsement of what they do. It is an explanation.

Any questions ?

The_Tao
9th May 08, 09:29 PM
Fuck the Antifas, we need Fedor on this shit pronto. Only He can save Russia from the nazis.

http://www.calgarysun.com/images/blog_uploads/EmelianenkoFedor21.jpg


Yes. Hell yes

Steve
9th May 08, 09:39 PM
I'm amazed that anybody with half a brain finds this puzzling or complex.

Poor white gentiles feel threatened bcoz they're poor.

They want to feel like t3h man to overcome crushing boredom and feelings of low status.

Therefore they form a physically aggressive 'young broke white gentile' movement.
The ethnic group which they express the most anger towards, will be the one which locally presents the greatest apparent threat to their money earning or pussy-chasing prospects.


To be clear, this is not an endorsement of what they do. It is an explanation.

Any questions ?

I'm glad I watched the podcast that kungfujew posted before I read your post. It gives me great pleasure to laugh at how stupid your "explanation" is.

Truculent Sheep
9th May 08, 10:06 PM
Ross Kemp + Russian Nazis = Scary Lulz

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kungfujew
9th May 08, 10:11 PM
Actually, Cullion's half right. The other half of the equation is that the right-wing skinhead and fascist groups are often propped up by the government itself. That way, come election season, the "opposition" to the government = crazy nazi types, thus the government looks all the better to what few sane people remain in the country.

Cullion
10th May 08, 05:24 AM
I'm glad I watched the podcast that kungfujew posted before I read your post. It gives me great pleasure to laugh at how stupid your "explanation" is.

I have more experience with far-right racist groups than you understand.

Cullion
10th May 08, 05:25 AM
How many people here have actually known a member of a racial facist movement in person ?

Multiple members? Gone for a beer with them ? Gradually talked them out of it ?

I have. No, I was never a member.

Cullion
10th May 08, 05:29 AM
Actually, Cullion's half right. The other half of the equation is that the right-wing skinhead and fascist groups are often propped up by the government itself. That way, come election season, the "opposition" to the government = crazy nazi types, thus the government looks all the better to what few sane people remain in the country.

Combat 18 in the UK is rumoured to be so heavily infiltrated by MI5 that over half it's (tiny) membership is composed of agents.

ICY
10th May 08, 02:18 PM
This reminds me of the "Jew" float in the May Day parade in Moscow. It was a spider with a gigantic human nose.

Cullion
10th May 08, 02:45 PM
Actually, Cullion's half right. The other half of the equation is that the right-wing skinhead and fascist groups are often propped up by the government itself. That way, come election season, the "opposition" to the government = crazy nazi types, thus the government looks all the better to what few sane people remain in the country.

If you want to truly understand neo-nazis you ought to hang out with them socially.

ironlurker
10th May 08, 03:02 PM
Combat 18 in the UK is rumoured to be so heavily infiltrated by MI5 that over half it's (tiny) membership is composed of agents.

I believe it. I wouldn't think it's a danger in Britain, but there is sometimes the specter of such agents "going native." Hitler was sent to investigate the future Nazi party (then I think it was the German Worker's Party) by German army intelligence if I remember correctly. Allegedly the lines have blurred with Pakistan's SIS and some of the radical Islamist groups.

It's a tough call, because obviously you need surveillance of such groups. But if shit goes down somehow and it becomes a question of who knew what when there's a lot of potential for CYA and confusion (not to mention corruption) that can make a pretty tangled mess. In New England this was a big issue with the local FBI and organized crime.

Cullion
10th May 08, 03:07 PM
'Organised crime' has something to offer that groups like Combat 18 don't.

Money, pussy and good times for all the swell guys.

Far-right white blue collar violent thug movements who just want some kind of incoherent ragnarok to boost their factory/construction/van-driving/welfare income can't offer much more than free beer. The risk of going native with these guys is low.

ironlurker
10th May 08, 03:53 PM
Far-right white blue collar violent thug movements who just want some kind of incoherent ragnarok to boost their factory/construction/van-driving/welfare income can't offer much more than free beer. The risk of going native with these guys is low.

How good is the beer?

Cullion
10th May 08, 04:29 PM
How good is the beer?

I'm serious man, these poor thugs have nothing to offer.

I grew up in a tiny white trash community and saw several people who were friends go this way. I'm proud of the fact that I talked two of them out of it eventually.

socratic
10th May 08, 09:46 PM
A few friends of mine are walking or have walked the fine line, and I think at least one of them is going to get pulled in when he's old enough to get a gang tattoo. I don't really know the guy too well but I can guess it'd be a great loss for him to get tempted into such an organisation.

Dark Helmet
10th May 08, 11:30 PM
I believe it. I wouldn't think it's a danger in Britain, but there is sometimes the specter of such agents "going native." Hitler was sent to investigate the future Nazi party (then I think it was the German Worker's Party) by German army intelligence if I remember correctly. Allegedly the lines have blurred with Pakistan's SIS and some of the radical Islamist groups.
Do you have a link to some sort of on-line literature to this?Or is this something your friends ,friends from years back told you?

ironlurker
10th May 08, 11:44 PM
Do you have a link to some sort of on-line literature to this?Or is this something your friends ,friends from years back told you?
Um, I thought everyone knew this. I believe I first read it in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" or "The Thousand Year Reich."

Here's some books that mention it.
link (http://books.google.com/books?id=cWNIp1Xr8y8C&pg=PA7&dq=hitler+%22army+intelligence%22+1919&sig=FSjN30-iwFKhWTVR_HTO2QWbrAY)
link (http://books.google.com/books?id=GAzoaCNwOzMC&pg=PA129&dq=hitler+%22army+intelligence%22+1919&sig=rAjfVvg85bNg4xURzXIgmNxtkDo)

edit- looks like it was indeed the DAP, German Workers' Party, I guess they think that Karl Mayr, his superior, may have been the author of "I was Hitler's Boss" (http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/hitler/sources/40s/41currhist/41vCurrHistHitlersBoss.htm#p3)

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/hitler/sources/40s/41currhist/HitBoss41CurrHist195.gif

edit edit- and according to the professor who posted the scan, apparently they now know for a fact it was Karl Mayr

ICY
11th May 08, 12:18 AM
The "going negative" thing is a problem if the agents sympathize or become friends with the losers. It's hard to hang out with people all the time and not care about them at all, even if they're pieces of shit.

Stick
11th May 08, 02:30 AM
...

That piece from Current, the ending- beheaded, shot in the head.... jesus fucking christ.

Also, The Klan?! In Russia?! WTF? Like, seriously, sheets and burnign crosses in Russia?

Wow, go back in time and tell the boys in Mississippi about the future of the klan. I'm sure their reaction would be priceless.

So, can I get an antifa visa and travel to Russia on a skull busting pilgrimage?

Cullion
11th May 08, 04:39 AM
So, can I get an antifa visa and travel to Russia on a skull busting pilgrimage?

That's no way to solve a social problem. Spend a month living how these people live before deciding that the answer is to just kick their ass.

Shawarma
11th May 08, 07:06 AM
No, Stick, you couldn't. Because eastern european skinheads aren't the faggot sort you get in western europe or the US. These guys will kill you, even if you're not a blackass or leftie.

Cullion
11th May 08, 07:19 AM
Even the western european sort aren't so faggoty up close because they come in groups and they tend to carry knives. I don't want to hear any silly stories about some nice guy getting his throat cut in a dark alleyway because he'd forgotten that :-

outnumbered by people with knives and little fear of the law >> lone-man righteous anger.

billy sol hurok
11th May 08, 08:09 AM
Allegedly the lines have blurred with Pakistan's SIS and some of the radical Islamist groups.

"Allegedly"?

The ISI pretty much created the Taliban, no?

Stick
11th May 08, 11:53 AM
You guys are just no fun.

ironlurker
11th May 08, 01:55 PM
"Allegedly"?

The ISI pretty much created the Taliban, no?

Short answer "yes" in the sense that they would never have gotten where they did without the backing, oversight, and who knows what else. It's a little murky because we're talking about a foreign intelligence agency operating in a completely chaotic and -frankly- backwards country with a highly ambiguous US stance/non-stance at the time (ie., we weren't plastering it on the front page).

Ahmed Rashid's book Taliban is probably the best single book on the subject and is actually both an enjoyable and interesting read. If you read the book, it's actually amazing what remains mysterious- especially Mullah Omar. There's never been a picture taken of him, for example.

Shawarma
11th May 08, 02:26 PM
Fun fact: The Talibans are also enormous homos.

Yiktin Voxbane
11th May 08, 07:35 PM
^Dancing Boyz^

socratic
12th May 08, 03:19 AM
Fun fact: The Talibans are also enormous homos.

Fun fact: Fucking boys doesn't make you queer in the eyes of many extremists, warlords and all around assholes. Ie: Vatican, Taliban, various Afghani warlords, etc

Cullion
12th May 08, 05:06 PM
I can confirm that in Australia they stick to girls.

Shawarma
12th May 08, 05:22 PM
Eeeew...

Sun Wukong
12th May 08, 07:36 PM
David Duke makes more money and gets a better reception in Russia than anywhere else.

Soure? Not that I'd doubt you, I'd just like to see that.

Sun Wukong
12th May 08, 07:54 PM
How many people here have actually known a member of a racial facist movement in person ?

Multiple members? Gone for a beer with them ? Gradually talked them out of it ?

I have. No, I was never a member.

I know at least two former radical facist members, at least, I used to know them. Haven't seen them in years.

One was a jr. high friends older brother who was a skinhead in Austin. The other was the grandson, Rob, of a real nazi whose Nazi grandfather moved to Georgia and started up a "nazi youth" style organization with all the nazi trimmings. Rob's grand-father fucked him over good as a kid; raised him to be filled with hatred for damn near everyone and everything that wasn't a card carrying Aryan.

Rob's grandpa screwed him over but good. Rob was a good student and got a full ride to college based on academic merits but he got tossed out of school after a bunch of his neo-nazi friends showed up on campus to throw a BBQ (and a shit load of racial slurs at passers by) and got into a fight with the campus security. Rob's life went in the toilet for years after that, but he put that racist/'facist shit behind him, told his grandpa to fuck off, married a hippy, and finally went back to school in a different state and got a degree in in Mechanical engineering.

socratic
13th May 08, 04:46 AM
So basically love triumphs over hate?

The Carebears were right after all!

Eric
16th June 08, 06:23 PM
This doesn't look like it's going to get any better any time soon. The cops seem to cracking down to some degree, but I think that may only lead to more violent confrontation.

Family identifies son in Russian beheading video

By Michael Schwirtz
Monday, June 9, 2008

MOSCOW: Shamil Odamanov used to call his parents almost daily from Moscow, where he worked as a laborer after moving from his village in Russia's North Caucasus region in search of a better job. Then, a little more than a year ago, the phone calls stopped.

Now, to the family's horror, they think they know why. They have identified Odamanov, 24, as the man beheaded in a video of a double execution apparently carried out by members of a Russian neo-Nazi group last year.

"It's not only that he's similar - it is him, period," Umakhan Odamanov, Shamil Odamanov's father, said by telephone from his home in Dagestan, a Russian republic in the North Caucasus. Investigators have said that Odamanov is likely one of the two victims in the video, dark-skinned men who appear kneeling below a Nazi flag before they are killed.

Though initially considered a fake, the video, which originally appeared on Russian ultranationalist Web sites in August, spread quickly on the Internet and was shown in edited versions on national television. It shoved the problem of race-related violence into the foreground of national discourse, if only for a short time.

The police are investigating several individuals, some from nationalist groups, in connection with the killings, but no suspects have officially been identified, Vladimir Markin, the spokesman for the Investigative Committee of the Prosecutor General's Office, said in an interview.

In February, a court found Viktor Milkov, a student from Adygei, in southern Russia, guilty of helping circulate the video and sentenced him to a year in prison. He claims that an unknown person e-mailed him the video.

The police have not yet found the victims' bodies, Markin said, nor have they identified where exactly the murders took place.

Attacks against nonwhites in Russia have steadily increased over the last several years, as more and more immigrants from abroad or from Russia's poorer ethnic enclaves move into large urban centers in search of work.

Odamanov was among them. He left his home village, Sultanyangiyurt in Dagestan, about two years ago and moved to Moscow to look for a job "and possibly a bride," his father said.

In his regular calls home, he frequently complained about run-ins with skinheads, who stalk their dark-skinned victims in the low-income residential areas around Moscow.

In late March 2007, Odamanov called "to wish me a happy birthday," his father said. "That was the last time I heard from him." The next time he saw his son was in the video. He was tied up, kneeling next to another man and wearing the black Adidas jacket and shirt given to him by his brother, Artur, Umakhan Odamanov said.

Set against a soundtrack of heavy metal music, the video opens with the title "Operation of the National-Socialist Party of Russia to Arrest and Execute Two Colonists From Dagestan and Tajikistan." There are shots of the countryside that investigators believe is somewhere in the Kaluzhskaya region, about 75 kilometers, or 120 miles, southwest of Moscow.

"We were arrested by National-Socialists," the two bound men mumble through their gags.

In the next scene, one of the captors, wearing camouflage and heavy black gloves, yells, "Glory to Russia!" then plunges what looks like a large knife into the neck of the man thought to be Odamanov. He is decapitated in seconds.[many seconds]

Then the second man, whom the police have not identified, is shot in the head and crumples face-first into a shallow grave. In the final scene, two men in camouflage, wearing black masks, give Nazi salutes.

There were about 600 reported racist attacks and about 80 murders recorded in Russia in 2007, according to the Sova Center, an organization that monitors hate crimes in Russia. The number of attacks this year reached 232 as of June 1, 57 of which were murders.

Human rights groups have often accused officials of ignoring the problem of racist violence in Russia, although in Moscow, at least, a recent spike in murders of dark-skinned people has prompted a noticeable response among law enforcement agencies.

"Moscow prosecutors have definitely started to more actively engage this problem beginning from last year," said Aleksandr Verkhovsky, director of the Sova Center.

The Interior Ministry announced last week that this year the police had arrested more than 50 people thought to be involved in xenophobic attacks in Moscow and St. Petersburg, the two cities with the highest levels of racist violence.

Still, the number of attacks nationwide continues to grow steadily by about 15 to 20 percent each year, as it has for about the past five years, Verkhovsky said. Moreover, he said, the percentage of murders is growing as teenagers involved in violent nationalist groups grow into adults.

"They simply take their affairs more seriously," he said.

link (http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/09/europe/russia.php)

I'm not gonna link it, but you can find the video pretty easily if you're a sick bastard like that. I don't recommend watching it, as it's done with a butcher knife. So if you're like me and thinking "Man, that would take forever" you'd be right. It's neither quick nor pretty.

WarPhalange
16th June 08, 06:42 PM
This whole thing is just disgusting.

These sick fucks are just cowards who need groups to feel safe. They can't hack being alone, and they need something to make them seem part of something. But hey, it's easier to kick the shit out of some random guy than to actually help the community, right?

Fuckers need to get shot.

Eric
16th June 08, 07:02 PM
From what I've read they're mostly going after immigrant laborers/construction worker types who they view are taking work away from "true Russians." I don't know how much of that is actually occuring and how much is "They're takin' our jaarrbbss!" xenophobia. I did read another article about an African student that got beat down a while back, but now they're leaving Africans alone becuase they're mostly students. Basically the jist of it was they were initially going after everybody with dark skin, but they're mostly going after the Tajik and Uzbek immigrants, Central Asians in general that are making up most of the immigrant labor.

EDIT: link (http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2008/06/C111FEE5-7666-4A1C-A696-6810EAC8CDED.html) to the article about attacks shifting from Africans to Central Asians.

Eric
16th June 08, 07:33 PM
Please enjoy this cute kitten video to recover your mood:
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SFGOON
16th June 08, 08:12 PM
Yet another ethnocentric enclave meets The Rest of the World.

This problem, on an aggregate level, will be resolved much more quickly than it has in the past. Information flows too fast and too freely these days.

With the right arrests and propiganda, this "movement" will dwindle then be extinguished.

And the "Takin' our jaarrrbs!" quip is quite apt.

Shawarma
17th June 08, 02:53 AM
Uh....dude. It's fucking HUGE and the average Russkie is not a faggot liberal. They don't want all these niggers and blackasses (Caucasians) running around on their Russkie streets.

Nazism in eastern europe is there to stay, period, mainly because not many people have a serious interest in removing it.

socratic
18th June 08, 01:32 AM
What I seriously don't get is why the totalitarian government they've got going doesn't completely squash this movement. It flies in the face of pretty much all other Communist Russian action since the Revolution, and I could have sworn there was still some Communist hardliners in the government.

As far as I understand, the Russians were never pro-Fascist, even when that's what their leaders basically became. So why don't they give a shit now that Fascism is eating up their culture?

Eric
18th June 08, 02:49 AM
Well, this article (http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2008/06/C111FEE5-7666-4A1C-A696-6810EAC8CDED.html), which I'm guessing by the name is from an opposition leaning publication, says:

The Kremlin has done little to curb the problem. Critics say the government has even poured fuel on the fire with nationalist measures such as the mass deportation of ethnic Georgians in retaliation for the 2006 arrest of Russian officers in Tbilisi, or the ban on all foreign traders in retail markets -- a move then-President Vladimir Putin said was intended to protect the interests of "native Russians." So clearly some believe it's due to some amount of racist/nationalistic element of Putin's policies.

From the same article:

Veteran rights activist Svetlana Gannushkina says deep-running ties between government authorities and the construction industry, which depends on cheap Central Asian labor, may help explain the official laxness in combating racist violence.

"Now the main victims are people from Central Asia. Authorities allow this to happen because Central Asians are currently the chief resource for slave labor," she says. "Their vulnerability is profitable to those who exploit them, it's profitable to have workers who are frightened and broken-spirited. Authorities profit from this because they are closely connected to these structures." This opinion really doesn't make any sense to me. I would think the construction industry would be concerned about a threat to their cheap labor pool. So if they're in fact in bed with government they would have an easy time getting them to bring the hammer down. Poor immigrant workers already pretty down trodden, I wouldn't think they'd need to be "frightened and broken-spirited" any more than they already are.

socratic
20th June 08, 06:20 AM
That doesn't make sense at all. That's like trying to get people to shop at your store by shooting every tenth person who comes in.

SFGOON
21st June 08, 06:02 PM
Young bleeding-heart lefty extremists are notoriously full of shit, apparently all over the world.

Dark Helmet
21st June 08, 06:36 PM
From the same article:
This opinion really doesn't make any sense to me. I would think the construction industry would be concerned about a threat to their cheap labor pool. So if they're in fact in bed with government they would have an easy time getting them to bring the hammer down. Poor immigrant workers already pretty down trodden, I wouldn't think they'd need to be "frightened and broken-spirited" any more than they already are.Ha!Ha!Ha!LOL very funny!

socratic
22nd June 08, 09:13 AM
Young bleeding-heart lefty extremists are notoriously full of shit, apparently all over the world.

Having Putin in your avatar actually makes you gay. Sorry, we didn't want to hurt your pansy-ass feelings, 'cause making a queer cry is just awkward, but yeah. You're romo. You made eye contact during rolling.