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MEGA JESUS-SAMA
22nd February 08, 09:24 PM
For shits and giggles I opened a bunch of songs in Audacity. First, the good:

"Waltz Me Around Again Willie", 1905
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/waltz.jpg

"Chinatown, My Chinatown", Mills Brothers, sometime in the early 30s
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/chinatown.jpg

"Tiger Rag", Django Reinhardt, Stephanie Grappelli, and friends, 1947
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/tiger.jpg

"No. 1 Green Street", Grant Green, 1961
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/green.jpg

"Animaniacs", uh, The Warner Brothers 40 piece band? sometime in the 90s, taken from a soundtrack.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/Animaniacs.jpg

"Be Careful What You Eat", also from Animaniacs, taken from the show.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/eat.jpg

"Adagio molto - Allegro con brio", forgot the rest
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/farsuperiortothefilthyelectricguita.jpg

And now the bad:

"Tobacco Island", Flogging Molly, few years back
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/tobacco.jpg

"Invasion of the Dragonmen", Man or Astroman, early 90s
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/dragonmen.jpg

"But Then She Spoke", The Vandals, 90s
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/spoke.jpg

"Astroman", Jimi Hendrix, re-release from 1997
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/astroman.jpg

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
22nd February 08, 09:25 PM
Tracks I used:
http://www.zshare.net/download/7982103adfbb68/

Steve
22nd February 08, 10:42 PM
So why haven't you put any of Riddeck's songs through that? Scared?

Kiko
23rd February 08, 08:56 AM
Not the same as what MJS is doing, but with this thread title it belongs here...

dsU3B0W3TMs

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
23rd February 08, 08:59 AM
reminds me of contra

Sun Wukong
23rd February 08, 01:39 PM
seriously dude, are you ever going to actually play music yourself here? We get it now, you like music.

WarPhalange
23rd February 08, 01:44 PM
Definitely not Contra. Contra is too intense for that. This was more of an adventure game, possibly an RPG where you are in a dwarf cave.

Actually, it really reminds me of Shadow of the Beast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Beast

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
23rd February 08, 04:48 PM
seriously dude, are you ever going to actually play music yourself here? We get it now, you like music.

you would want to see me wank onto a guitar, pervert

Riddeck
23rd February 08, 05:04 PM
you would want to see me wank onto a guitar, pervert

No, you just talk a lot of shit, and adults usually understand kiddies like that.

The crowd is demanding a display of your awesomeness.

SFGOON
24th February 08, 01:34 PM
Yeah, show us what you've got.

Audacity is for fags. Real men use Qtractor.

Kein Haar
25th February 08, 01:25 AM
Randy Jackson would be like: "Kind of a negro throw back vibe going on, which is rare for an azian kid. You the bomb, baby, you the bomb!"

Paul: "What I like about you, is that you're an old soul. We don't see many azian kids who....just....rock like you do. Good job."

Simon: "I thought it was absoloutely dreadful. It's like those performances a friend's 5 year old child will give after dinner with a cardboard guitar. You'll have to do better than that."

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
25th February 08, 01:28 AM
I was waiting for you to stumble in here and repost that tired shit you came up with months ago and still think is the internet's crowning accomplishment. Have you ever considered that 300 is old hat and your posts suck shit?

Kein Haar
25th February 08, 01:29 AM
It is teh internet's crowning accomplishment, btw.

Edit: HAHA...you beat me to it.

WarPhalange
25th February 08, 01:29 AM
Also, I'm not exactly sure what those graphs are supposed to represent (in the original post).

Kein Haar
25th February 08, 01:30 AM
It shows how in-tune she is to teh reel music! DERRRR!

If you half to ask you wouldn't understand.

Kein Haar
25th February 08, 01:31 AM
Hay, did I tell you how much I like that armadillo game, Poop?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
25th February 08, 01:35 AM
Also, I'm not exactly sure what those graphs are supposed to represent (in the original post).

The sound levels and the difference between the loudest and softest parts of the music. Lately pop music has locked itself into a loudness war, and to get their CDs even louder they start to compress the dynamic range, which results in some modern recordings, including quite a few that have won grammies, sounding thinner and flatter even than recordings made decades ago on inferior equipment.

Even worse, when those little lines run into the top, the signal is clipped because there's sound there that digital audio cannot produce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range

Kein Haar
25th February 08, 01:40 AM
Poop,

Thanks for takking her srsly. It's good for her self esteem.

She thinks I lost credibility because, if I have a fault, it's that I love too much sometimes. She needs to know (from others) that if she puts her mind to it, she can do anything in the whole wide world. :o)

Sun Wukong
25th February 08, 01:52 AM
I was waiting for you to stumble in here and repost that tired shit you came up with months ago and still think is the internet's crowning accomplishment. Have you ever considered that 300 is old hat and your posts suck shit?

personally... i find certain brands of humor stay funny for a long time...

WarPhalange
25th February 08, 01:54 AM
The sound levels and the difference between the loudest and softest parts of the music. Lately pop music has locked itself into a loudness war, and to get their CDs even louder they start to compress the dynamic range, which results in some modern recordings, including quite a few that have won grammies, sounding thinner and flatter even than recordings made decades ago on inferior equipment.

Maybe that's the goal? A piano sounds thin compared to a bass guitar, but pianos are still used because that's the sound people want.

I was listening to some Death Metal today and was actually thinking something similar, that it's just a constant wall of sound. But, if it wasn't, it just wouldn't be the same.


Even worse, when those little lines run into the top, the signal is clipped because there's sound there that digital audio cannot produce.


Funny, because that's also how you get distortion.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
25th February 08, 04:42 AM
Maybe that's the goal? A piano sounds thin compared to a bass guitar, but pianos are still used because that's the sound people want.

I was listening to some Death Metal today and was actually thinking something similar, that it's just a constant wall of sound. But, if it wasn't, it just wouldn't be the same.

No, the goal is to make the entire CD louder. Since there's an absolute ceiling they have to compress the dynamics until the soft parts play at the same volume as the loud parts and instruments begin to lose their unique tone and definition.


Funny, because that's also how you get distortion.

Okay? What's your point? This doesn't produce the same distortion you get from your amp, this produces the clicking and popping noises that make people think CDs are an inferior medium.

Mr_Mantis
25th February 08, 11:33 AM
My new motto is "Fuck electricity"

Electricity is a cruel mistress. She can lead you down the path of effects and volume, but lure you away from musicianship and kill your hearing. She can give life and she can deal death.

Ah, I guess she's not so bad.

WarPhalange
25th February 08, 02:29 PM
No, the goal is to make the entire CD louder. Since there's an absolute ceiling they have to compress the dynamics until the soft parts play at the same volume as the loud parts and instruments begin to lose their unique tone and definition.

I don't understand why they would want to make a CD "louder". Can't you just turn up the volume on your stereo?



Okay? What's your point? This doesn't produce the same distortion you get from your amp, this produces the clicking and popping noises that make people think CDs are an inferior medium.

No point. Just saying that this is also how distortion works.

ICY
26th February 08, 12:57 PM
No, Poops, it isn't about the volume, it's about making shitty sound producers like crappy headphones attached to Ipods sound better. Like when you're watching TV and a commercial comes on and it's way louder, you haven't increased the volume, the producer has increased the loudness. The songs that use this sort of production sound better on MP3 players and computer speakers, but sound like fucking crap live and on decent home theatres/stereos.

billy sol hurok
26th February 08, 01:34 PM
Cracky is on it, though the overuse of compression predates MP3 players and computer speakers by several decades.

The wiki is pretty good on this, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war) including a graphic that makes MJS's point even clearer:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Cd_loudness_trend.gif


That's a waveform image of the "Something," by the Beatles. It has been remastered for CD four times over the years, each time with more compression -- and less dynamic range.

WarPhalange
26th February 08, 01:57 PM
I see what you are saying now. There is a compression effect on my Bass POD (multi-effect thing), and what it does is like you say, reduce the dynamic range. But as far as I could tell it was only a preference, not so much "good" or "bad", since you can still adjust the volume.

But I see what you are saying that when you apply it to the whole CD, it makes things bad.

ICY
26th February 08, 02:00 PM
Yeah, without the compression bullshit, you CAN just turn up the volume, but with it...it's just there.

Mr_Mantis
27th February 08, 10:53 AM
Well, with the bass, I think you need compression for that instrument. It helps even things out. Without compression, your up the neck playing will be louder than your down the neck. It's the nature of the bass beast.

So mess with that pedal and even that bass out!

WarPhalange
27th February 08, 12:01 PM
That's true, unless you can compensate for that with your playing. Which is kind of hard.

But that's not how it woks for the instrument when you're playing. What it does, is when you play a string, it kind of follows a bell curve, where it starts quiet, very quickly gets loud, and then trails off. What this would do is make all of that sound even. Sometimes useful, sometimes you don't want it. As far as I can tell, it's only a preference, though.

Mr_Mantis
27th February 08, 12:55 PM
Yeah. When playing, most everything is a preference. I'd bet if you mic'd a room to record a practice session, your bandmates would prefer some compression on that bass. If you are playing loud, your speakers would probably prefer some compression too. Without compression, a bass will tend to spike. All depends on what you're going for.

WarPhalange
27th February 08, 12:57 PM
My bandmates would prefer what I'd tell them to prefer.

You know, since they are imaginary and all.