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Cullion
31st December 07, 11:00 PM
About the poetry of Saul Williams.

This is your first homework assignment.

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Cullion
31st December 07, 11:01 PM
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Cullion
31st December 07, 11:04 PM
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Now I'm not sure if this ought to be allowed.

Stick
31st December 07, 11:27 PM
Meh.

Neildo
31st December 07, 11:54 PM
intro by da mighty mos def. word

i've heard this poetry mixed over hip hop beats somewhere......damnit, what album was that?!

WarPhalange
31st December 07, 11:57 PM
Ahh poetry.

What was that quote about poetry, again?

Ahh yes.



Oppenheimer, they tell me you are writing poetry. I do not see how a man can work on the frontiers of physics and write poetry at the same time. They are in opposition. In science you want to say something that nobody knew before, in words which everyone can understand. In poetry you are bound to say... something that everybody knows already in words that nobody can understand.

Neildo
31st December 07, 11:59 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Poop Loops again.

DAYoung
1st January 08, 02:24 AM
Cullion, what do you like about this chap's work?

ojgsxr6
1st January 08, 02:37 AM
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socratic
1st January 08, 04:38 AM
I raise your living poet by a dead one:
I shall show you fear in a handful of dust

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This is the way the world ends/
Not with a bang, but with a whimper

I also suggest everyone reads at least the passage of the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna reveals his True Form. It's the most enjoyable peice of religious literature I think I've read.

Sun Wukong
1st January 08, 05:03 AM
poetry is a clever mans way of illuminating the basic principles of living. the chapters of the dao have been compared to poetry before and i'm reminded of an eastern psalm when reading poop loops post:

The truth of the tao is something that any child can tell you but no man can achieve.

This phrase is probably the most illuminating commentary that I read about the tao. Though it may be ineffable, the truth of life is extremely simple. Good poetry follows in this vain: it inspires you to be a better person by bringing thoughts back to once familiar notions of what is good/right and what is bad/wrong. People must remind themselves at times to be good because through daily life our lives become so complicated as adults that we forget our most basic principles. Poetry can be a great tool for inspiring the human spirit.

I attempted to write poetry briefly in college... it was a painful experience for all. If Oppenheimer chose to write poetry, then I feel the man is owed a debt of lenience. surely the weight of what was on his shoulders is something that no man should be required to suffer through silently and without catharsis. My poetry should be burned and never read aloud ever. In fact, I may have to be shot for creating it.

DAYoung
1st January 08, 05:05 AM
God I love T.S. Eliot.

He gets a long section in my book.

WarPhalange
1st January 08, 05:25 AM
I attempted to write poetry briefly in college... it was a painful experience for all. If Oppenheimer chose to write poetry, then I feel the man is owed a debt of lenience. surely the weight of what was on his shoulders is something that no man should be required to suffer through silently and without catharsis. My poetry should be burned and never read aloud ever. In fact, I may have to be shot for creating it.

Oh yes, poor Oppy, having to live with killing about 200,000 people, instead of, you know, being burned alive like a good chunk of them.

DAYoung
1st January 08, 05:29 AM
If Oppenheimer chose to write poetry, then I feel the man is owed a debt of lenience.

ďIf poetry cannot absolve usĒ Ė he whispered to himself Ė ďthen letís not expect mercy from anywhere.Ē

- Yannis Ritsos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiannis_Ritsos), ĎThe Poetís Spaceí

Cullion
1st January 08, 07:32 AM
Cullion, what do you like about this chap's work?

It's not the content as much as the delivery. I admire his verbal dexterity.

Sorry, I'm no good at literary criticism. I dropped all subjects involving essay writing at the age of 16.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st January 08, 07:34 AM
Is that why you hate kittens and folk music?

Cullion
1st January 08, 07:36 AM
Is that why you hate kittens and folk music?

What made you think that I hate folk music?

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st January 08, 07:38 AM
You're not a hippy.

Cullion
1st January 08, 07:39 AM
You're not a hippy.

I'm too young to have been a hippy. I like some folk music though.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st January 08, 07:42 AM
Would it offend your delicate rightist sensibilities if I were to share a couple of Woody Guthrie albums with you? I'd say you could just send the money to his estate if it made you feel bad, but that would be welfare and I know how much you hate poor people.

Cullion
1st January 08, 07:46 AM
Would it offend your delicate rightist sensibilities if I were to share a couple of Woody Guthrie albums with you? I'd say you could just send the money to his estate if it made you feel bad, but that would be welfare and I know how much you hate poor people.

Do share.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st January 08, 07:53 AM
Make that three - however, the link to one was deleted and I'll have to upload it myself.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/WoodyGuthrie-AschRecordings1ThisLan.jpg
http://lix.in/881fdf

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t67/BullshidoTrail/portada-8.jpg
http://lix.in/d4bbba

The password in both cases is eldiablotuntun.blogspot.com , which happens to be the url for a very good music blog dealing primarily in American folk music but also Hispanic folk music, some pre-bop jazz, and various oddities.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st January 08, 08:56 AM
third one

http://www.zshare.net/download/608239753e8edc/

Cullion
1st January 08, 12:39 PM
Do you like Dock Boggs?

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MEGA JESUS-SAMA
1st January 08, 12:45 PM
his banjo playing is great. his singing, i don't like that as much.

Currently I'm on a Bix Beiderbecke kick and that's why he's in my signature right now. He was a major jazz cornetist and was idolized by most cornet and trumpet players, both white and black, for decades after his death. Miles Davis and the whole cool jazz/west coast jazz style was an evolution of Bix's.

Plus I get to listen to Eddie Lang on most of these recordings and that's pretty rad.

socratic
1st January 08, 07:44 PM
Get this folk music crap outta here, this is the Poetry Is Awesome thread.

I pity tha fool who doesn't know the genius works of Wilfred Owens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Owen

Move him into the sun

Sun Wukong
1st January 08, 08:43 PM
Oh yes, poor Oppy, having to live with killing about 200,000 people, instead of, you know, being burned alive like a good chunk of them.

He was a jew who knew what the Axis powers were capable of doing. When he started the project the Allied powers told everyone that the Nazi's were working on their own atomic bomb. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Hitler or Emperor Ito? I pity Oppenheimer for being made to be a part of such a terrible thing.

Do you know what became of Japan's chinese POW's? They killed all of them down to 11 or 12 men; i don't clearly recall if it was 11 or 12 out of over a hundred thousand. The japanese invaders in china murdered all the children my father in law's family: he personally lost 7 brother and sisters all below the age of 15 before he was even born. They weren't casualties of war either, they were fucking butchered, executed in broad daylight, in cold blood, for nothing else but being chinese kids.

The Germans weren't the only ones committing acts of evil so vile, those god damn Japanese butchers had to be stopped as soon as possible. Those poor people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were sacrificed by men who wanted to win, perhaps wanted revenge, maybe they wanted to teach Japan a final lesson about warfare. Who knows? The pacific front in Japan was probably one of the darkest moments of world history and like it or not, Japan was at the heart of some of the most evil acts in world history.

Again, I'm reminded of Captain from Cool Hand Luke:

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God damn that's a great movie, and more to the point, I think it sums up the allied response to the Axis in WWII even if it is taken a bit out of context.

I don't deny killing all those innocent people was a terrible thing. I think the worst injustice of War was making provisions to protect Emperor Hirohito and then honoring them. He should have been the first mother fucker put on the chopping block, but instead he was allowed to scape goat his high ranking pawns to protect himself. Allowed to lie in public to his people about his role and allowed to re-write history to such a point that the japanese largely don't even believe the truth about his role and japan's role in so many atrocities.

WarPhalange
1st January 08, 09:31 PM
I don't see how this changes the fact that Oppy didn't suffer much compared to the people who exploded.

jnp
2nd January 08, 12:54 PM
Here is one of my favorite poems by my favorite poet,

Wallace Stevens

The Motive for Metaphor

You like it under the trees in autumn,
Because everything is half dead.
The wind moves like a cripple among the leaves
And repeats word without meaning.

In the same way, you were happy in spring
With the half-colors of quarter-things,
The slightly brighter sky, the melting clouds,
The single bird, the obscure moonóó

The obscure moon lighting an obscure world
Of things that would never be quite expressed,
Where you yourself were never quite yourself
And did not want nor have to be,

Desiring the exhilarations of changes:
The motive for metaphor, shrinking from
The weight of primary noon,
The A B C of being.

The ruddy temper, the hammer
Of red and blue, the hard soundóó
Steel against intimationóóthe sharp flash,
The vital, arrogant, fatal, dominant X.



edit: I never notice what forum these threads are in dammit. Oh well, I'm not removing my post even though it's completely out of place.

socratic
2nd January 08, 07:07 PM
Jnp, no sweat bro, this is the Poetry Is Awesome thread. Or at least, the guy who Cullion posted is awesome thread.

EuropIan
9th January 08, 11:14 AM
I re-watched/listened to some old George Carlin routines.

he has his moments.

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Transcript:
Iím a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. Iíve been up linked and downloaded, Iíve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. Iím a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond!

Iím new wave, but Iím old school and my inner child is outward bound. Iím a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so Iím interactive, Iím hyperactive and from time to time Iím radioactive.

Behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, ridin the wave, dodgin the bullet and pushin the envelope. Iím on-point, on-task, on-message and off drugs. Iíve got no need for coke and speed. I've got no urge to binge and purge. Iím in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar. A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary. A street-wise smart bomb. A top-gun bottom feeder. I wear power ties, I tell power lies, I take power naps and run victory laps. Iím a totally ongoing big-foot, slam-dunk, rainmaker with a pro-active outreach. A raging workaholic. A working rageaholic. Out of rehab and in denial!

Iíve got a personal trainer, a personal shopper, a personal assistant and a personal agenda. You canít shut me up. You canít dumb me down because Iím tireless and Iím wireless, Iím an alpha male on beta-blockers.

Iím a non-believer and an over-achiever, laid-back but fashion-forward. Up-front, down-home, low-rent, high-maintenance. Super-sized, long-lasting, high-definition, fast-acting, oven-ready and built-to-last! Iím a hands-on, foot-loose, knee-jerk head case pretty maturely post-traumatic and Iíve got a love-child that sends me hate mail.

But, Iím feeling, Iím caring, Iím healing, Iím sharing-- a supportive, bonding, nurturing primary care-giver. My output is down, but my income is up. I took a short position on the long bond and my revenue stream has its own cash-flow. I read junk mail, I eat junk food, I buy junk bonds and I watch trash sports! Iím gender specific, capital intensive, user-friendly and lactose intolerant.

I like rough sex. I like tough love. I use the ďFĒ word in my emails and the software on my hard-drive is hardcore--no soft porn.

I bought a microwave at a mini-mall; I bought a mini-van at a mega-store. I eat fast-food in the slow lane. Iím toll-free, bite-sized, ready-to-wear and I come in all sizes. A fully-equipped, factory-authorized, hospital-tested, clinically-proven, scientifically- formulated medical miracle. Iíve been pre-wash, pre-cooked, pre-heated, pre-screened, pre-approved, pre-packaged, post-dated, freeze-dried, double-wrapped, vacuum-packed and, I have an unlimited broadband capacity.

Iím a rude dude, but Iím the real deal. Lean and mean! Cocked, locked and ready-to-rock. Rough, tough and hard to bluff. I take it slow, I go with the flow, I ride with the tide. Iíve got glide in my stride. Drivin and movin, sailin and spinin, jiving and groovin, wailin and winnin. I donít snooze, so I donít lose. I keep the pedal to the metal and the rubber on the road. I party hearty and lunch time is crunch time. Iím hangin in, there ainít no doubt and Iím hangin tough, over and out!"

~George Carlin