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Phrost
12th November 07, 07:32 PM
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Steve
12th November 07, 07:38 PM
LOL, your "Shamelessly Edited Highlight GIF" and avatar cracks me up.

And I wish I spoke more Spanish.

Hedgehogey
12th November 07, 08:07 PM
The sound skips on this ancient iMac too much to be at all legible but what i'm guessing is that the guy who:

1: Comes from a line that backed Franco and was responsible for an entire miniseries of civil wars,

2: inherited and did basically nothing to change the fascist state apparatus,

3: and refused to even consider partial regional autonomy for colonized Basqueland while deploying thousands Ertzantzi and Guardia Civil who engaged in extrajudicial executions and tortue

Is criticizing Chavez, who, if nothing else, was elected? Am I right?

Dark Helmet
12th November 07, 09:02 PM
Thank goodness he was elected by the people, years ago,or someone would have mistaken his presidency for a Leftist dictatorship.

SFGOON
12th November 07, 09:11 PM
Show me a Latin American nation that isn't run by drama whoring assholes and I'll show you Costa Rica.

LOLZ at diatribes from guys in big mustaches.

Truculent Sheep
13th November 07, 07:14 AM
The sound skips on this ancient iMac too much to be at all legible but what i'm guessing is that the guy who:

1: Comes from a line that backed Franco and was responsible for an entire miniseries of civil wars,

As were the Spanish people as a whole, or at least the pro-Franco element, hence the King's keeness to undo the damage done. (Which wasn't his fault to begin with.)


2: inherited and did basically nothing to change the fascist state apparatus,

Wrong. Spain subsequently became a democracy in accordance with his wishes, and the King himself ordered troops to stand down during an abortive coup d'etat in 1982. Franco's dictatorship died with Franco.


3: and refused to even consider partial regional autonomy for colonized Basqueland while deploying thousands Ertzantzi and Guardia Civil who engaged in extrajudicial executions and tortue

(Minute's silence for Bobby 'Weight Watchers Slimmer Of The Year 1981' Sands...)

Seriously though, like 'Nor'ren Oirlaaaaand', the Basque issue is much more complex than some would have you believe. ETA and Batasuna are no friends of the Basque people, any more than the IRA or UDA did their communities any favours either. (I should declare an interest though: I am of Basque descent myself, along with lots of Irish DNA for good measure. Also, Scots, Scandinavian, French, Prussian and Dutch...)


Is criticizing Chavez, who, if nothing else, was elected? Am I right?

There's a hell of a lot of difference between Spain's parliamentary democracy and the Chav's arse-raping of Venezuela's sickly system.

Cullion
13th November 07, 08:51 AM
Show me a Latin American nation that isn't run by drama whoring assholes and I'll show you Costa Rica.


Belize? Oh yeah, that's another low-tax peacable non-socialist country

Cullion
13th November 07, 08:54 AM
The sound skips on this ancient iMac too much to be at all legible but what i'm guessing is that the guy who:

1: Comes from a line that backed Franco and was responsible for an entire miniseries of civil wars,

2: inherited and did basically nothing to change the fascist state apparatus,

3: and refused to even consider partial regional autonomy for colonized Basqueland while deploying thousands Ertzantzi and Guardia Civil who engaged in extrajudicial executions and tortue

Is criticizing Chavez, who, if nothing else, was elected? Am I right?

Almost all reigning European Monarchs have vastly greater constitutional restrictions on their powers than Chavez. I don't care if he was born a peasant and wears his mantle of dictatorial power 'for the people', he's still a dictator. He's going to ruin his country's economy, throwing lots of dissenters in gaol in the process, and then when it fails he's going to blame evil capitalist forces.

Shawarma
13th November 07, 12:55 PM
I wish Chavez posted here. He's an awesome troll.

Teh El Macho
13th November 07, 02:54 PM
The King of Spain, a constitutional monarch supported by most of his people told Chaves to STFU because he kept interrupting Zapatero, the popularly elected PM of the Spanish, who was asking Chavez to show respect to a previously elected PM (who has nothing to do with Franco or fascism.)

As Zapatero said, you can have fundamental differences (as he has with Aznar), but one can still demonstrate a modicum of respect. What exactly was the purpose of calling Aznar a fascist? What did he wish to accomplish? What was it so crucial for Chavez that he has to interrupt Zapatero? A chance to have the last word? Is he really interested in working for his people or in being a presidential drama queen and attention whore?

No matter how strong his political convictions can be, this wasn't a locker room, a barrac, or a corral behind a ranch. This is something that seems to escape Chavez's grasp again and again and again. How spats like this help Venezuela is beyond me.

This latest spat wasn't about political or moral principles, but on not knowing how to control his own megalomaniac ego.

Commodore Pipes
13th November 07, 03:19 PM
The sound skips on this ancient iMac too much to be at all legible but what i'm guessing is that the guy who:

1: Comes from a line that backed Franco and was responsible for an entire miniseries of civil wars,



Does this mean that he has a genetic disposition toward backing dictators?

ICY
13th November 07, 04:04 PM
How did I know the resident Hispanofascist would show up in this thread...stunning.

Zendetta
13th November 07, 04:11 PM
El Macho has never advocated fascism. Can't say the same about our friend Cracky, though.

Cullion
13th November 07, 04:15 PM
I don't think Hispanofacist is an insult coming from Cracky.

Zendetta
13th November 07, 04:19 PM
Good point.

ICY
13th November 07, 05:27 PM
Dude, Muchacha was a Contra. He is LITERALLY a reactionary.

Cullion
13th November 07, 05:32 PM
Dude, Muchacha was a Contra. He is LITERALLY a reactionary.

What's wrong with that?

Teh El Macho
13th November 07, 05:34 PM
Yea, yea, I'm a fascist. My father and one my uncles were contras, and two other uncles were Sandinistas. I eat babies, I dislike lefties and I sympatize with Contras. I'm the devil reincarnated, ignorant of what happens south of the border, hailing from the upper classes, bent over fucking the dispossesed masses. My entire experience and my interpretation and understanding of historical events (also based on my own personal experience) are nothing but a fantasy devoid of reality.

I also drink industrial milk, like muscular women, and watch Carlos Mencia. Guilty as charged.

Cullion
13th November 07, 05:38 PM
Cracky was paying you a compliment.

ICY
13th November 07, 06:02 PM
No.

Shawarma
13th November 07, 06:05 PM
Chavez, Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong Il should form an Axis of Lulz, Terrorists of Trolling. Putin could be an honourary member since he's also pretty damn funny. Bush would be excluded - he's not a troll, just a genuine moron.

Teh El Macho
13th November 07, 06:12 PM
Meh, I would exclude Kim Jong Il from that evil triumvirate. Chavez and Ahmedinejad know how to troll and be drama queens. Kim Jong is just plain fucking lunatic... and yep, Bush is a moron.

NSLightsOut
13th November 07, 06:24 PM
Kim Jong Il more properly belongs in the category that the late lamented Sapamurat Niyazov a.k.a Turkmenbashi idealized: Dictators for greater lulz in autocratic government

ICY
13th November 07, 06:30 PM
I love how Chavez keeps winning freely contested referendums and winning, yet is still called a dictator...a dictator with more freely expressed public support by percentage than the leaders of liberal "democracies".

Shawarma
13th November 07, 06:31 PM
He is very popular. It also appears that he does his best to squash dissenting voices.

Teh El Macho
13th November 07, 06:56 PM
He is very popular. It also appears that he does his best to squash dissenting voices.

^^^ That's what makes him a dictator. Hitler and Musolini were popular in their time. Fuck, how many people supported Bush during the invassion to Iraq.

Having the support of a majority does not turn a leader into an effective, democratic one, nor it confers intelligence or a clear agenda.

Having the support of the majority (which is a fact) does not give Chavez the right to throw the riot police at the opposition (which is a large minority whether he likes it or not), nor paint them as a bunch of oligarchs, nor closing TV and radio stations that criticise him.

That's a major fault, the same fault for which I hate the Sandinistas. Just like them, Chavez had a golden opportunity, to be the President of all Venezuelas while getting rid of all the oligarchic shit that chocked the country from its very beginnings.

Instead, he has chosen to be the autocratic leader of a majority that clings on the idea a populist regime is going to provide them with everything they need. Make no mistake that the only driving force behind Chavez is his grasp for power.

Being a noisy, caustic populist is the key for him to remain in power and he will do so. He will milk that cow until it or him dies. He's no different in essense and venom from all the other satraps, leeches and generalissimos that have plagued us since day one.

Hedgehogey
13th November 07, 07:44 PM
Chavez, Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong Il should form an Axis of Lulz, Terrorists of Trolling. Putin could be an honourary member since he's also pretty damn funny. Bush would be excluded - he's not a troll, just a genuine moron.

Li'l Shawarma's unwittingly onto something. Ahmedinejad, Kim Jong Il, Castro and their ilk are the LOLcat desktops which distract you from the fact that your computer is a 486 running the first build of win95. In other words, they're political red herrings which draw attention away from the maliciousness of our own political system.

ICY
13th November 07, 08:03 PM
That's what makes him a dictator. Hitler and Musolini were popular in their time. Fuck, how many people supported Bush during the invassion to Iraq.

GODWIN


Having the support of a majority does not turn a leader into an effective, democratic one, nor it confers intelligence or a clear agenda.

STRAWMAN


Having the support of the majority (which is a fact) does not give Chavez the right to throw the riot police at the opposition (which is a large minority whether he likes it or not), nor paint them as a bunch of oligarchs, nor closing TV and radio stations that criticise him.

LOL, it does when they plot coups and kidnap him, sorry man, nothing excuses treason, not anywhere.


That's a major fault, the same fault for which I hate the Sandinistas. Just like them, Chavez had a golden opportunity, to be the President of all Venezuelas while getting rid of all the oligarchic shit that chocked the country from its very beginnings.

Yes, yes, the world was layed at his feet, America had NO interest in fucking over the regular Venezuelans and was HAPPY to have someone around who would help out the little guy, so they aided him in building a Latin American Utopia...oh...wait...


Instead, he has chosen to be the autocratic leader of a majority that clings on the idea a populist regime is going to provide them with everything they need. Make no mistake that the only driving force behind Chavez is his grasp for power.

Whoa, man, HOLD YOUR FUCKING HORSES!!! A POLITICIAN who likes POWER. My unholy-Satan-fucking-a-prepubescent-Christ-in-the-ass, that is ASTOUNDING.


Being a noisy, caustic populist is the key for him to remain in power and he will do so. He will milk that cow until it or him dies. He's no different in essense and venom from all the other satraps, leeches and generalissimos that have plagued us since day one.

He's not as corrupt as the previous regime. He may still shit on the little guy, but it's more of a flying-over-head-not-giving-a-shit sort of shitting on the little guy, not having 5 of your friends sit on him and hold his mouth open so you can shit in it, then having a 6th guy plug his nose so he can't spit it out.

Hedgehogey
13th November 07, 08:05 PM
As were the Spanish people as a whole, or at least the pro-Franco element, hence the King's keeness to undo the damage done. (Which wasn't his fault to begin with.)

What? The dude left the Franco beuracracy basically intact. The Guardia Civil, also, are still basically the same entity as their 1940s selves.



Wrong. Spain subsequently became a democracy in accordance with his wishes, and the King himself ordered troops to stand down during an abortive coup d'etat in 1982. Franco's dictatorship died with Franco.

In accordance with whose wishes? Franco's? The King's?

Subsuquently became a democracy? Former members of the Francoist political system made up every spanish president until Calvado, who was high ranking in the national transportation company, RENFE. Franco handpicked Carrero-Blanco, who was a former fascist general to succeed him. Thank god ETA made that prick "the first spanish astronaut".



(Minute's silence for Bobby 'Weight Watchers Slimmer Of The Year 1981' Sands...)

Seriously though, like 'Nor'ren Oirlaaaaand', the Basque issue is much more complex than some would have you believe. ETA and Batasuna are no friends of the Basque people, any more than the IRA or UDA did their communities any favours either. (I should declare an interest though: I am of Basque descent myself, along with lots of Irish DNA for good measure. Also, Scots, Scandinavian, French, Prussian and Dutch...)

Firstly, you can't call Spain a democracy when it bans pro-independence political parties. But then, under the new constitution, the "indisoluble [sp?] unity" must be respected, huh?

But I guess i'll get it out of you right now: do you support an independent basqueland?



There's a hell of a lot of difference between Spain's parliamentary democracy and the Chav's arse-raping of Venezuela's sickly system.

Yeah, at least Venezuela elects their demagogues.

Truculent Sheep
13th November 07, 09:09 PM
What? The dude left the Franco beuracracy basically intact. The Guardia Civil, also, are still basically the same entity as their 1940s selves.

And? Since 1975 Spain has been a thriving democracy and part of Western Europe. Ah, but of course, everyone in Spain is now dead and in a mass grave, yes?


In accordance with whose wishes? Franco's? The King's?

Are you being deliberately obtuse here? The wishes of the King and indeed the Spanish people.


Subsuquently became a democracy? Former members of the Francoist political system made up every spanish president until Calvado, who was high ranking in the national transportation company, RENFE. Franco handpicked Carrero-Blanco, who was a former fascist general to succeed him. Thank god ETA made that prick "the first spanish astronaut".

Look up 'Cognitive Dissonance' on Wikipedia sometime.


Firstly, you can't call Spain a democracy when it bans pro-independence political parties. But then, under the new constitution, the "indisoluble [sp?] unity" must be respected, huh?

Batasuna is banned because it's a front for a terrorist organisation. Plenty of less psycho basque parties remain legal and the area has had unprecedented autonomy since the late 70s.


But I guess i'll get it out of you right now: do you support an independent basqueland?

Don't care either way - I was merely pointing out that you are talking out of your arse, re: Spain, at a level that would astound anyone who lives in Europe and is at least partly familiar with the country.


Yeah, at least Venezuela elects their demagogues.

Ah, a perfect fusion of shocking ignorance and moral relativism!

Commodore Pipes
14th November 07, 09:15 AM
LOL, it does when they plot coups and kidnap him, sorry man, nothing excuses treason, not anywhere.



LOL

Teh El Macho
14th November 07, 05:05 PM
LOL, it does when they plot coups and kidnap him, sorry man, nothing excuses treason, not anywhere.Uhmm, hmmm, has every member of the opposition today had anything to do with the plots and his kidnappings? And the marchers? And the radio and TV stations, too?

Anyways, take a look at this. Ain't this peachy?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071114/wl_nm/venezuela_spain_chavez_dc_1;_ylt=AiC0Ws1XpeiMNx.4Q YxD0CAE1vAI



CARACAS (Reuters) - President Hugo Chavez on Wednesday warned he is reviewing Venezuela's ties with Spain, escalating a dispute that erupted between the former colonial power and the major oil exporter when Spain's king told him to "shut up."

Chavez, who has nationalized swathes of the economy this year in a drive to create a socialist state, has demanded King Juan Carlos apologize for reprimanding him and threatened Spanish investments, especially in the banking sector.

"We do not want to hurt ties, but right now I am conducting a detailed review of the political, diplomatic and economic ties with Spain," the Cuban ally told local television.

"This means Spanish companies are going to have to show what their businesses are doing. I am going to take a look and see what's happening in those companies," he added.

Chavez, who rails against "imperialism" and calls capitalism an evil, has named banks Grupo Santander and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA as possible targets, saying the OPEC nation did not need Spanish business.

Spain, a top investor in the region, has sought to ease tensions through diplomatic channels and says it wants ties to return to normal after the flap at a weekend summit of leaders from Latin America and Iberia.



How the hell is this going to help his government and his people? He decides to feel insulted because someone reprimanded him... for insulting another person? How the fuck does that work?

And again, how does that help his people? If he, as a president, believes that attacking Spanish investments in Venezuela (.ie. nationalization) is in the best interest of his people, then fine. Do it and get ready to deal with the aftermath.

But to threaten to do such actions simply because he decides to take it personal, what the hell?


[i]Chavez said the king "blew a fuse" and displayed 500 years of Spanish arrogance.[i]

Once more time, exploiting the victim complex we Latin Americans so much love to relish. Fuck that. Yes, we were subject to the Spanish crown for more than 300 hundred years. Yes, they shitted on Latin American. Yes, yes and yes.

But they stopped being our rulers almost 200 years ago. Doesn't matter that the Spanish crown was replaced by our own quasi-aristocracy. They left, we kicked them out and became a fucking non-issue.

The remaining 190 years have been our own doing, for better and for worse. We stopped being victims of Spanish colonialism a long time ago, and the Spanish people and its Crown are not the same that ruled over us.

"500 years of arrogance." Fuck that shit. It's 200 hundred years of screaming at Spain "poor me, everything bad is because of you" to rouse the masses and put that part of the blame that belong to us onto others.

Cullion
14th November 07, 05:45 PM
I love how Chavez keeps winning freely contested referendums and winning, yet is still called a dictator...a dictator with more freely expressed public support by percentage than the leaders of liberal "democracies".

That's because there are alot of simple minded 'tards in Venezuela who will applaud any offer of free shit especially if it comes with a splenetic broadside at wealthy gringos. I would have thought that was obvious.

ICY
15th November 07, 05:45 PM
Uhmm, hmmm, has every member of the opposition today had anything to do with the plots and his kidnappings? And the marchers? And the radio and TV stations, too?

Anyways, take a look at this. Ain't this peachy?


Yes, it is. He's telling an aristocrat to fuck off, always a good thing, regardless of context. Always.


That's because there are alot of simple minded 'tards in Venezuela who will applaud any offer of free shit especially if it comes with a splenetic broadside at wealthy gringos. I would have thought that was obvious.


How is that a bad thing? The regular people deserve to be free of foreign and domestic capitalist abuses.

Fuck capitalism. Fuck it.

Zendetta
15th November 07, 05:47 PM
Sweet Jeebus, Cracky. Are you a lesbian vegan yet?

Cullion
15th November 07, 06:12 PM
How is that a bad thing? The regular people deserve to be free of foreign and domestic capitalist abuses.

It's bad because capitalism abuses them less than their own politburo will, and they'll be better fed. But you already know that.

Commodore Pipes
19th November 07, 11:48 AM
This is not much of an update, but I have to say that Chavez seems like a real dick, based on some of these quotes:



Chavez demands Spanish king apologize

Relations soured after monarch told Venezuela president to ‘shut up’


CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21842972/#) demanded Friday that the king of Spain apologize for publicly telling him to "shut up" in a spat that has soured relations between the two nations and could endanger Spanish investment in Venezuela.


"The king of Spain, he has to offer some type of apology because he attacked me," Chavez said in an interview on state television Friday. "I'm not going to ask him to get down on his knees, but to in some way recognize that he went too far, that he did something inappropriate."


King Juan Carlos exclaimed, "Why don't you shut up?" at a summit in Chile last weekend, as Chavez tried to interrupt Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. Zapatero was urging Chavez to show respect for other leaders after the Venezuelan called former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a "fascist."


Chavez has since warned that Venezuela doesn't need Spanish investment and that Spanish companies operating in the country will be held more accountable as a result of the spat. He has mentioned Spanish banks Banco Santander SA and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA by name.

Spanish diplomats have suggested settling the matter with mutual respect and by toning down the rhetoric. But Chavez said Spain will have to recognize it erred.

"I don't want this to keep growing more serious, but the king or the Spanish government should in some way recognize that they were the ones at fault and that they attacked us. We aren't the aggressors," Chavez said.


Chavez suggests king backed coup

The leftist leader accuses U.S.-allied Aznar of backing a 2002 coup that briefly ousted him from office. On Friday he suggested the king could have condoned the putsch as well.


Chavez said that during the coup, the Spanish ambassador recognized the interim leader who briefly became president, before military loyalists returned Chavez to power.


"Could it be that the king knew about the coup too and gave the green light?" Chavez said, suggesting Spain's ambassador must have had the king's blessing at the time.


Chavez said he didn't hear the king during the heated exchange at the summit, because he was focused on responding to Zapatero.

"The king was lucky," Chavez said. "If I had heard him, I might have answered him ... shot an arrow at him like an Indian."


Here's the original: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21842972/

So he didn't even hear the insult? Then what's the big deal?

Also, way to evoke the stereotype of the indigenous Venezuelan.

Sun Wukong
19th November 07, 02:31 PM
... and watch Carlos Mencia. Guilty as charged.


Dude, I was totally with you up until this last part. WTF man? HERESY!!! He's just not funny!

ICY
19th November 07, 04:34 PM
It's bad because capitalism abuses them less than their own politburo will, and they'll be better fed. But you already know that.

Chavez is not a communist.

Cullion
19th November 07, 04:52 PM
Chavez is not a communist.

No, but he is an extremely authoritarian socialist who's already massively reduced the productive capacity of most of their export industries. Adding the fact that he's a hot-headed retarded who systematically alienates potential trading partners for his country and you have a recipe for fail.

The point at which the economic failure becomes so extreme even he can't pretend it's just 'teething trouble' is soon approaching. He's already getting paranoid and blaming stuff on international capitalist conspiracies. Expect a sharp escalation of gulag/secret police activity soon.

ICY
19th November 07, 07:02 PM
You're the right wing equivalent of leftards who think Bush is going to declare Martial Law and suspend the constitution.

Cullion
1st December 07, 06:38 PM
You're the right wing equivalent of leftards who think Bush is going to declare Martial Law and suspend the constitution.

I'm basically you, but fatter, with children, stock options and a high enough salary to complain about income taxes.

Shawarma
1st December 07, 06:44 PM
Do you have a pimpin' white man's 'fro?

Cullion
1st December 07, 07:06 PM
No fro. Just designer stubble and bloodshot eyes.