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jvjim
14th October 07, 10:02 PM
SPARKS, Nev. – Ron Paul won the GOP presidential straw poll conducted by organizers at the Conservative Leadership Conference held at the Nugget Casino this weekend “by a large margin,” according to an organizer.

Paul won with 32 percent, McCain came in second with 17 percent, Hunter was third with 15 percent, and "Romney was in the lower numbers because people came out for his event but they just didn't vote for him," according to organizer and McCain operative Paul Jackson.

Although many of the Republican presidential teams had surrogates representing them at the conference, Mitt Romney and Duncan Hunter were the only candidates to speak at the conference, and the victor himself was not there.

Libertarian sentiment dominated the conference, and a number of attendees expressed disappointment with the Republican Party for not catering to many of their views. Several speakers explained that they were looking to move on, echoing much of the discontent that came out of the meeting of the Council for National Policy in Salt Lake City late last month.

In fact, American Target Advertising Chairman Richard Viguerie, who said he was part of the strategic meetings in Salt Lake City, said Thursday night that even though he has agreed not to support Giuliani, Thompson or McCain, he’s still not close to declaring support for Romney or any other lower tier candidates because they are still actively and seriously courting conservatives. “Why would we stop the flow of flowers and candy?” he said.

Almost on cue, Romney said during his speech the next day to the group, “I’m from the Republican wing of the Republican Party,” eliciting a negative response from some rival campaigns and the Democratic National Committee. The DNC jumped and noted that he stole Chairman Howard Dean’s line from the previous election when he told voters he was “from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party” before losing to John Kerry.

Out of the malaise over the conference came several questions targeted to Romney urging him to explain why he could be the candidate who would change the party’s direction. In particular, vastright founder Joseph Bentzel, whose start-up Web company with slogan “Powering Digital Conspiracy” has yet to launch, asked Romney at a town hall how the party can be re-brand, reform, refocus and re-launch after what he called is a phase of “pre-emptive defeatism” for the GOP. Romney gave a four-part answer, starting with his pitch, “Well, I think it helps to have a new face.”

Romney went on to sound another theme of his: optimism. He called the Democrats pessimists and said his optimism could go a long way for the Republicans, and he moved onto a point similar to his first, that the country ought to be led by someone who hasn’t spent an entire lifetime in politics. And he ended with a line that played well before the crowd of Reaganites, implying that his energy and passion could echo that of Ronald Reagan’s.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/14/410525.aspx

There must have been multiple votes per person. In all seriousness, does this point to the legitimacy of Ron Paul's bid for a nomination, are just blow back from his recent performance on the televised debates?

Arhetton
14th October 07, 10:33 PM
Holy shit ron paul won and mitt romney was there in person?

Thats awesome.

I hope that gets some attention in the television media that would be great publicity for RP.

Wounded Ronin
14th October 07, 10:56 PM
It is simultaneously sad and hilarious that Romney condemns the democrats for being pessimistic at this time and acts like at this time the Republicans have anything to be optimistic about.

Shit is going to hell in a handbasket and the politicians try to make this go away by saying "Reagan" a bunch of times. Fuck Reagan. Really. Enough with the smoke blowing right now.

jvjim
14th October 07, 11:23 PM
Yeah, particularly Paul. He needs to answer how he's going to deal with the fallout of a troop withdrawal, how he plans to pay for essential government programs such as social security, and how he plans to reverse the damages done by the Patriot Act. I support the man, which either speaks bounds or is a condemnation since I'm largely just a lazy, videogame playing misanthrope, but I need answers damnit!

Riddeck
15th October 07, 12:23 AM
Yeah, particularly Paul. He needs to answer how he's going to deal with the fallout of a troop withdrawal, how he plans to pay for essential government programs such as social security, and how he plans to reverse the damages done by the Patriot Act. I support the man, which either speaks bounds or is a condemnation since I'm largely just a lazy, videogame playing misanthrope, but I need answers damnit!

I would hardly call Social Security an essential government program, on any level really. It seems that now a days, especially, it is more of a joke. It was just a rally for a country in need of something after the depression.

As for Ron Paul...typically online polls restrict 1 vote per IP addy, and yes I know you can hide your IP, but do you really think a group of people are going through that trouble, just to win in an internet poll, despite RP being there or not?

Maybe.

But with the smear campaign being launched against Sen. Paul, it seems likely that this is a group of voters crying out for Ron Paul's presidential nomination, and of course MSNBC would not want you to view it as that.

jvjim
15th October 07, 12:33 AM
I would hardly call Social Security an essential government program, on any level really. It seems that now a days, especially, it is more of a joke. It was just a rally for a country in need of something after the depression.

Nope, it's essential. The government must supply some form of social protection for its citizens. The Dole is what's non-essential.


As for Ron Paul...typically online polls restrict 1 vote per IP addy, and yes I know you can hide your IP, but do you really think a group of people are going through that trouble, just to win in an internet poll, despite RP being there or not?


It was a straw pole so voting twice would have been impossible, unless the Conservative Leadership Conference operates under some crazy rule set.



But with the smear campaign being launched against Sen. Paul, it seems likely that this is a group of voters crying out for Ron Paul's presidential nomination, and of course MSNBC would not want you to view it as that.

Yep, that's why we supporters need to push for more national exposure.

Riddeck
15th October 07, 12:52 AM
I was really trying to say the current form and application of Social Security is a joke.

Something in the same principle, executed properly (I have no clue) would be more suited.

But yeah, Ron Paul in 08.

Cannot, for the sake of it all, be Clinton or Guiliani.

NoMan
15th October 07, 01:30 AM
I was really trying to say the current form and application of Social Security is a joke.

Something in the same principle, executed properly (I have no clue) would be more suited.

But yeah, Ron Paul in 08.

Cannot, for the sake of it all, be Clinton or Guiliani.

SS is fine in principle if you have a good birth rate and/or calculate the benefits rate so that the old generation is not getting too much too early for what has been put into it.

I'm more worried about Ron Paul's views on globalism and international markets. Isolationism a la' Patrick Buchannon may sound nice, but it doesn't address a lot of fundamental problems about what works in globalism and what doesn't work in globalism, and how to solve those problems. Repealing NAFTA and other trade agreements won't do much for that.

Although there is an inherent appeal in the ability to reduce economic risk and volatility by isolationism. Of course, some economists argue that the U.S. already is an isolationist country, since we tend to put tarrifs on things we don't want to hurt our industries, (sugar, cotton, corn, steel, aluminum), and pay huge subsidies to the people who own them. Point being, there needs to be an overhaul of the system, there's no way to avoid trading, and that supervision is going to have to fall to government and international bodies.

I also fear that given the fiscal raping that Bush has inaugurated, (his Secretary of Treasure was Paul O'Neill, formerly CEO of Alcoa. His claim to fame was using the government to block Russian aluminum from coming to the U.S., hurting Russia but giving the aluminum companies home a boost from a monopoly, plusoffsetting additional costs to people who use aluminum), the next President is going to be holding a bag of doggy-poo and look bad no matter what else happens.

Arhetton
15th October 07, 02:36 AM
its really not hard to find information on the man or his ideas

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html