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Mas
13th September 07, 03:23 PM
Bin Laden's new image: younger, more Marxist

The former multimillionaire now blames global capitalism and class for the tragedies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

By Fawaz A. Gerges from the September 13, 2007 edition







BRONXVILLE, N.Y. - AFTER A THREE-YEAR absence, Osama bin Laden has resurfaced in another of his rousing videotapes, only this time with a new image and a new message. Projecting a younger look, Mr. bin Laden gives his most ideological address since the early 1990s with an assault on capitalism and liberal democracy loaded with Marxist and socialist terms. Indeed, this new bin Laden sounds more like Che Guevara, the Marxist revolutionary, than some of his rifle-toting Al Qaeda cohorts.


Gone is bin Laden's vintage militaristic appearance. He has exchanged his

fatigues and Kalashnikov for a white robe, circular cap, and beige cloak, giving him an aura of clerical wisdom. The new bin Laden portrays himself as a spiritual figure, not a grizzled soldier.


His gray beard is dyed black and trimmed neatly, which is actually an old tradition dating back to the birth of Islam; the prophet Muhammad reportedly dyed his hair and recommended, while at war, that his commanders and soldiers dye theirs to strike fear in the enemy.


In the video, bin Laden addresses Americans and rails against the ills of economic exploitation, multinational corporations, and globalization. He tells them to liberate themselves from "the deception, shackles, and attrition of the capitalist system." Similar to his incitement of Muslims against their oppressive, "apostate" rulers and the meddlesome West, bin Laden now seems to be trying to galvanize Americans against their own harsh socioeconomic and political system.


"Poor and exploited Americans, unite against your capitalist laws that make the rich richer and the poor poorer," the former multimillionaire businessman tells the camera. Never before has bin Laden utilized the grandiose language of Marxism in his statements to the American people. And yet, he says, Muslims and Americans are alike; they are both victims of the capitalist system, which "seeks to turn the entire world into a fiefdom of the major corporations under the label of 'globalization' in order to protect democracy."


While in the past bin Laden emphasized the clash of cultures and religions as the basis for confrontation, he now talks about commonalities of victimhood and suffering. He blames the global system of capital and class for the tragedies in Iraq and Afghanistan, the poverty of Africa, and "the reeling of many [Americans] under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes, and real estate mortgages." According to the new bin Laden, big capital, class interests, and multinationals not religion or culture are responsible for perpetuating war and killing.


Similarly, bin Laden had never before made distinctions between the American people and their leaders, but now he says that Americans, like Muslims, are victims of profiteering and the corporations that control the political process and media.


Even though this new video is a dramatic departure from his usual religious rhetoric, bin Laden tells Americans to convert because Islam will set them "free," ridding them of the "warmongering owners of the major corporations." Religion is offered as a means to resolve the crisis of exploitative capital and war industry.


Surprisingly, the son of Arabia, known for his religious intolerance and fanaticism, is eager not to offend the religious sensibility of Americans. He urges them to read the Koran and learn firsthand about Islam and how the "prophet" Jesus and his mother are mentioned dozens of times. "Don't be turned away from Islam by the terrible situation of the Muslims today," he says, reading from papers in front of him, "for our rulers in general abandoned Islam many decades ago, but our fore-fathers were the leaders and pioneers of the world for many centuries, when they held firmly to Islam."


Intentionally or unintentionally, bin Laden is venturing into a new ideological terrain. He is blurring the lines between jihadist messianism and Marxist utopia, which might, in turn, throw his die-hard Salafi supporters off balance.
Militant Salafism, a hard-line sect within Sunni Islam, follows a literalist interpretation of the Koran and is suspicious of philosophical innovation. Marx's conception of material history, rendered exclusively in terms of economic impulses, is thus incompatible with Al Qaeda's brand of Islamicism.
What will Salafis make of bin Laden's recent choice to emphasize a socialist critique of Western capitalist-democracy rather than Koranic legitimization? Militant Islamists are most likely elated by the emergence of their beloved sheikh, but at the same time bewildered by his ideological language and terms of references.


While US officials scrutinize the video for clues of new attacks, they seem to be losing sight of its strategic propagandist value. Bin Laden does not have to give signals to strike inside the US. Al Qaeda Central and the US are already waging war, and Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda's No. 2, is apparently the operational commander these days, not bin Laden.


Bin Laden's address is a new twist in the ideological struggle for hearts and minds, mostly because it targets Westerners and Americans. Obviously, bin Laden and his senior associates feel confident to expand their propaganda campaign in the other war the war of ideas.

Fawaz A. Gerges, who has just returned from a 15-month sabbatical in the Middle East, is a professor at Sarah Lawrence College and author of "Journey of the Jihadist: Inside Muslim Militancy" and "The Far Enemy: Why Jihad Went Global."


A kinder, gentler Osama?

AAAhmed46
13th September 07, 03:32 PM
This guy just doesn't make sense.

Lu Tze
13th September 07, 03:34 PM
Obviously the supply of young, dumb fuck muslims, stupid enough to blow themselves up for this cockhead is drying up, so he's switching tack.

Unfortunately for him most hardcore class warriors these days are students (who else has the time for that bullshit?), and students are lazy as fuck.

AAAhmed46
13th September 07, 03:36 PM
Are we still debating if this guy is still alive?

Teh El Macho
13th September 07, 03:46 PM
This guy just doesn't make sense.He's a politician. Politicians reinvent themselves to sell their ideology (or to keep themselves relevant.)

Neildo
13th September 07, 04:09 PM
Looking younger? Must have gotten that bad kidney fixed.

Sun Wukong
13th September 07, 04:30 PM
A kinder, gentler Osama?

He's communicating in the language of warfare: propaganda.

kwoww
13th September 07, 05:29 PM
Was I the only one who thought the video could have been fake?

AAAhmed46
13th September 07, 06:01 PM
With his kidneys he probably just died, if they capture him ever....i want to know exactly HOW he managed to live.

He couldn't have been hiding in a cave since he would need machines to live.

Sun Wukong
13th September 07, 07:00 PM
even if the video is real, he didn't take any steps to prove when the video was made. He could have died years ago, this video didn't reveal anything or make any references to a modern happening.

Elbow Bomber
14th September 07, 10:02 AM
even if the video is real, he didn't take any steps to prove when the video was made. He could have died years ago, this video didn't reveal anything or make any references to a modern happening.

this isnt right as he talks about all sorts of stuff that's happened recently and theyre fairly confident that it is actually his voice now?

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/09/obl_transcript.php

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/07/binladen.tape/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

ToUnderstand
14th September 07, 11:32 AM
trying to portray himself as a marxist i dont think he is going to wage and lead a class struggle against the established ruling class for the protelierat. I dont get him he blows up the twin towers giving bush the right aways to ass rape the middle east and he want to become a Marxist?

jvjim
14th September 07, 08:22 PM
This shift in propoganda is very odd, given that he fought a long, protracted war against the Soviets trying to prevent the spread of the idealogy he's supposedly now spouting. Given that in practice the soviets certainly didn't abide by these ideals, but the movement away from hardline theocracy to socialist Sharia certainly is still strange.

ToUnderstand
14th September 07, 08:51 PM
This shift in propoganda is very odd, given that he fought a long, protracted war against the Soviets trying to prevent the spread of the idealogy he's supposedly now spouting. Given that in practice the soviets certainly didn't abide by these ideals, but the movement away from hardline theocracy to socialist Sharia certainly is still strange.

Yeah the soviets werent communist or even close they were a capitalist entitiy, but intstead of private ownership of the means of productions it was owned by the state. By no means should we even consider Russian Socialism "Marxist".
Its kind of akward if you think about the cold war was basically state capitalism vs private capitalism.

jvjim
14th September 07, 11:20 PM
Poorly managed pseudo-capitalism vs slightly managed capitolism, but that's just semantics. Yep, imagine fighing a New Cold War where America is framed not only by as the power desiring to oil the coroporate machine with the blood of the worker, but is also the comparatively god-less state (which of course it isn't in reality.)

Sun Wukong
15th September 07, 08:53 AM
this isnt right as he talks about all sorts of stuff that's happened recently and theyre fairly confident that it is actually his voice now?

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/09/obl_transcript.php

I stand corrected, that second link didn't really help me, but that transcript link helped alot. The video on CNN was extremely small and I got the impression that was all that there was.

Ok, my ball is in the Osama is alive court now, but you'e gotta admit... he was dead silent for freakin' years and never said anything new for years. WTF else was I supposed to believe?

Also, I got the complete urge to knock that guys brains out just reading a few lines of that crap. The s.o.b. redefines audacity.

At any rate, thanks for that link.

Cullion
15th September 07, 12:18 PM
I don't think it makes much difference if he's alive or not. The angry muslims who do these things aren't sitting around waiting for secret orders from some 'Dr. No' figure on another continent, and they won't stop blowing things up just because they hear he's dead.

Shawarma
15th September 07, 03:13 PM
Yep. These days, the most old Ozzy can say is that he was murdering infidels before it became mainstream.

Bukow
15th September 07, 04:24 PM
His Kidney's aren't even bad like the media portrayed them back in the early days of the war. It's been exposed as a myth, but apparently most people missed the memo.

ICY
16th September 07, 06:16 AM
The ignorance on this thread is as sad as it is expected.

Bin Laden has ALWAYS made distinctions between regular Americans and their leaders. Bin Laden has ALWAYS championed the less fortunate AND SPENT MILLIONS OF HIS OWN DOLLARS TO FIGHT POVERTY. He COULD HAVE been a rich, RICH, RICH man, sitting on his ass in the lap of luxury, but he chose to rail against tyranny, and his benevolence, the thing that truly makes him exceptional, has been twisted by western media and warped into a deceptive image of a bloodthirsty megalomaniac. This image is patently ridiculous and anyone who has read his previous press releases knows this.

Sun Wukong
16th September 07, 06:19 AM
Is this trolling or are you being serious? *softly weeping* I... I can't even tell anymore you heartless bastard!

ICY
16th September 07, 06:36 AM
I am the adversary. The deciever. Your beliefs will survive the flames hurled at them or die in a fire. Your arguements will undergo the cleansing fire and if they have no substance, they will not withstand it.

Quikfeet509
16th September 07, 02:57 PM
You are a fire totem from Shadowrun?

AAAhmed46
16th September 07, 03:21 PM
wait....didn't he try to fight communism before? Im confused again.

ToUnderstand
16th September 07, 09:52 PM
wait....didn't he try to fight communism before? Im confused again.

No he fought the russians who were socialist not marxist's there is a difference. BTW we trained him to.


[QUOTE]=[Cracky McSlugHootBin Laden has ALWAYS made distinctions between regular Americans and their leaders. Bin Laden has ALWAYS championed the less fortunate AND SPENT MILLIONS OF HIS OWN DOLLARS TO FIGHT POVERTY. He COULD HAVE been a rich, RICH, RICH man, sitting on his ass in the lap of luxury, but he chose to rail against tyranny, and his benevolence, the thing that truly makes him exceptional, has been twisted by western media and warped into a deceptive image of a bloodthirsty megalomaniac. This image is patently ridiculous and anyone who has read his previous press releases knows this./QUOTE].

I dont really care about Bin Laden all i know is that he for damn sure is not a marxist and he is the main exuse for the ass rapery of the middle east. But of course we all know bush and cheney are the culprits, i say we bomb haliburton and eliminate the american oil barons, then see what happens.

ICY
17th September 07, 02:00 AM
wait....didn't he try to fight communism before? Im confused again.

He fought Russian imperialism, just as he fights American imperialism. Fuck off, go home, nobody bothers you.

Cullion
17th September 07, 05:39 AM
The ignorance on this thread is as sad as it is expected.

Bin Laden has ALWAYS made distinctions between regular Americans and their leaders. Bin Laden has ALWAYS championed the less fortunate AND SPENT MILLIONS OF HIS OWN DOLLARS TO FIGHT POVERTY. He COULD HAVE been a rich, RICH, RICH man, sitting on his ass in the lap of luxury, but he chose to rail against tyranny, and his benevolence, the thing that truly makes him exceptional, has been twisted by western media and warped into a deceptive image of a bloodthirsty megalomaniac. This image is patently ridiculous and anyone who has read his previous press releases knows this.

Convert to Islam and give us an 'insider' reportage. Just for a few months. I dare you. I double dare you.

Shawarma
17th September 07, 10:55 AM
I'd pay money to see Cracky in a mosque. Especially if he begun assraping his fellow Muslims over scriptural disagreements like he always threatens to do to people who disagree with him online.

Sodomic Jihad!

couch13
24th September 07, 01:08 AM
Okay people lets get somethings straight here. Osama is what we call an Islamic Socialist. Islamic Socialism uses the Koran and the Prophet Jesus to declare that socialism is the way to live spiritually.

Osama is simply using Marxist rhetoric backed by the koran to further his cause. People seem to think that he is a facist but in reality he sees the us as a Neocolonialist power that threatens his goals for the world to be socialist. I disagree with his methods (ie blowing shit up), but his ideology isn't bad. I won't become a muslim, but will agree with socialism.

The argument that the Soviet Union was a communist society ignores all things Marxist. The ruling party is in reality a class, whereas in a communist society, it is democracy which is supposed to reign supreme. It is in Marx and Engle's writings that the world must become socialist at the same time in order to be truly socialist and to destroy imperialism. The USSR increased imperialism with its "socialism" in one country methods. In fact, the USSR was state capitalism with its ruling class and upper class property.