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AAAhmed46
3rd July 07, 04:38 PM
I actually enjoyed this alot, and i was never a hardcore fan.

Mostly because it was actually really funny.

Some of the dialog was pure cheese. But it was the same cheese as an eighties cartoon.

But i actually enjoyed it.

Soundtrack was recognizable in many parts.

Though that love love romance crap was unnecessary

ironlurker
3rd July 07, 05:36 PM
Though that love love romance crap was unnecessary
Typical Muslim extremist! :biggrin:

Scrapper
3rd July 07, 06:04 PM
It was excellent in a "Blow shit up" and "Wow...my childhood was awesome" way. THe robots looked incredible, the action was superlative the plot was...er...plot-esque (Who the fuck cares anyway!).

That was the most fun I've had at the movies since 300. Fast-paced, slick, stylish, and gloriously heavy-handed.

moar trnfrmrs plzkthxbe!

AAAhmed46
3rd July 07, 06:17 PM
300 isn't even in the same league. One of these robots could have wiped out the ENTIRE persian army, just one robot, not 300.


I.....AM....MEGATRON.

Question!
3rd July 07, 09:21 PM
OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!

P.S. I saw the soundtrack listing on Wikipedia, and it sucked major ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers:_The_Album

I mean two thirds of the album are fucking emo bands! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!

Neildo
3rd July 07, 09:27 PM
shit i think i need to see this in a theatre

Dio
4th July 07, 10:00 AM
Saw it, loved it. Several coworkers saw it too, and all loved it. Many claimed it was the most they've enjoyed a movie within the last 5-10 years, and this is as diverse a crowd as you could imagine - hell, half our group was girls who aren't really into sci-fi, and they were loving it more than the guys who grew up with this stuff!

It has everything a summer blockbuster needs, and the best of the director (Michael "Blows Shit Up Good" Bay) and producer (Steven "Boy Meets Car" Spielberg) really comes out and holds it all together. It has all the right elements of action, cheese, humor and suspense, while at the same time doing great justice to the characters it revived from over 20 years ago.

Of course, the special effects are amazing. The only way to describe it is that you will honestly not be able to tell where the robots are CG and where they're real set pieces. ILM outdid themselves in a wicked way this time, and it shows.

There's a couple scenes in the film where I think it might make taking your 6-and-7 year old kids to see the film a bad idea (intense action scenes, and some not-so-subtle innuendo that really doesn't fit in the movie to begin with), but it doesn't get preachy or try to make any political statements, it just shows what would happen if GIANT F'N ROBOTS popped down in our back yard and started beating the hell out of each other.

For a good comparison on the level of quirky humor and how the human side (only about 50% of the film) plays out, I would compare this movie to Back to the Future, where you have the sort of unwitting teenager getting caught up in something bigger than he intends, with great results that pull you along for the ride. You've all got the 4th off, so I say go see it!

Scrapper
4th July 07, 10:10 AM
Some of the action was definitely not for the 6-10 year old crowd. THe movie has a pg-13 rating fro a reason.

Scorpinok Vs. Army Dudes anyone?

Sun Wukong
5th July 07, 04:18 AM
if you go to watch this movie in the theatres make sure you get there early for good seats. If you sit too close the special effects are lost on you...

That and my pupils haven't un-dialated yet. fuck.

Nid
5th July 07, 12:12 PM
Did someone mention 300?

Plasma
5th July 07, 02:35 PM
It was the typical Michael Bay plot line. Starting with a deep philosophical question Transformers destroyed their planet and now looking for their "god" then completely abandon said question and blow shit up.

This was a awesome movie. The first decepticon vs US army fight was FUCKING AWESOME!

mrblackmagic
5th July 07, 03:20 PM
Is Megatron a gun or tank-thing?

Do they use the voices from the show?

Sirc
6th July 07, 02:16 AM
Ok, so I'm pretty much the pickiest motherfucker in the world when it comes to movies. There are several glaring flaws in this movie. But you know what?

It doesn't fucking matter because this movie was waaaaayyy to fucking awesome for it to even matter.

It had all the cheeky humor and awkward quirky charm that the 80's transformers had that captured us as youths and toddlers. It had the borderline cheesy writing. The action, the lasers. And most importantly Giant fucking robots smashing each other and Optimus Prime Judo tossing a Decepticon. All that it needed was maybe an omoplata from mount or something and the world would've exploded from awesomeness.

Also, it is very apparent that Spielberg had a lot of say and input on this movie. How do I know this? Because Michael Bay is a shitty director (PEARL HARBOR, anybody? Yeah that's what I thought.). This had Spielberg written all over it.

Thank God for him, it was a saving grace. I'm so going to go watch this all over again, because I'm sure I missed a few things my first time around.

Mas
6th July 07, 02:25 AM
It's nice to hear good things about the movie from a Transformers fan, I'm glad that this movie seems to be directed to the old fans.

Oh and Megatron is a jet; like a weird alien jet, or so I hear.

Steve
6th July 07, 02:27 AM
Ok, so I'm pretty much the pickiest motherfucker in the world when it comes to movies. There are several glaring flaws in this movie. But you know what?

It doesn't fucking matter because this movie was waaaaayyy to fucking awesome for it to even matter.

If you're going to play that game, should be 'too'.

Scrapper
6th July 07, 06:58 AM
MEgatron is a big alien jet voiced by Hugo Weaving. Optimus Prime's voice is Peter Cullen, the same guy from the cartoon. Bumblebee is now a Camaro (and the new Chevy Camaro is fucking HOT. I am gonna buy one when they hit the showrooms! There is a 6-liter 450 BHP LS1 package!), Starscream is an F-22. Ironhide is a Top Kick pick-up truck and Jazz is a Pontiac Solstice.

Kiko
6th July 07, 07:56 AM
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Sirc
6th July 07, 06:21 PM
*Nerdhat on*

Megatron didn't become the Jet/Cannon thing until after coming in contact with Unicron in which he became Galvatron in the original movie. So they were taking it from that.

Did anybody catch the soundbyte from the 80's movie? That was awesome. I clapped like a little boy on christmas morning when I heard that.

I seriously don't think they could've made that movie any better, that was perfectly balanced for great awesome.

Soundwave was actually also very useful, unlike his original character.

*nerdhat off*

frumpleswift
6th July 07, 06:27 PM
I just bought/watched the 80's cartoon movie. The soundtrack rocked...classic 80's cheesey rock.

Too bad they couldn't get Leonard Nimoy to voice Megatron(/Galvatron) in this movie.

Mas
6th July 07, 07:18 PM
*Nerdhat on*

Soundwave was actually also very useful, unlike his original character.

*nerdhat off*

I thought Soundwave wasn't going to be in the movie... And for the record Soundwave was an extremely useful character in G1, third in command I believe in Megatron's pack.

And Megatron was never a Jet/Cannon:

He was either a pistol, a tank, a cannon (as Galvatron), or a jet. But the only jet mode I can remember him in was from the Headmasters series, and the new movie, and Headmasters was only released in Japan.

I also want to say, while the original movie is/was awesome, it sucked in a lot of ways. Killing off all the cool characters in the first 10 minutes to sweep in some relatively lame ass ones was stupid.

AAAhmed46
6th July 07, 07:37 PM
One transform can take out the entire persian army.

Not 300 transformers, 1 transformer.


Match that sparta *hopes they don't bring out Kratos*

Dagon Akujin
7th July 07, 01:41 AM
I'm sad that I'm sad.

Everything looked great, but the storyline was not put together at all and the development of all of the characters was sporadic at best, or more often non-existant. Bleah. :*( The movie starts in Qatar and L.A., and then everyone is in D.C., and then the Autobots are in India or some shit to look at a secret old map to the super secret Hoover Dam, then all of the electricity in the entire world goes out, and then they are all in Colorado somehow, and then bam, in a giant city for a cool battle. WTF.

Dagon "chuchichinchachu" Akujin

Mas
7th July 07, 01:43 AM
Godammit I need to see this movie.

Question!
7th July 07, 05:52 PM
Man, this movie was goddamned awesome! Starscream! Blackout! Megatron! Barricade!

Since there aren't anymore movies coming out after Transformers until Bourne Ultimatum that I want to watch, I'll probably watch it again! Yeah!!

Dio
8th July 07, 07:51 AM
Transformers raked in $143 mil worldwide before it even hit its first weekend. At $150 mil budget to produce, the movie has almost paid itself off in the first 3 days of being shown, based on ticket sales alone. Factor in merchandising (toys, etc) and the Hasbro execs are probably rolling around in piles of cash right now, giggling like drunken schoolgirls.

source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers06.htm

This is honestly the first movie where I can remember hearing people, who are completely new to the series, say they want to see it multiple times in the theater. Most of the women I work with (you heard that right - women) are saying it's the best movie they've seen in over a decade. If you had said to me ten years ago that I would one day be discussing how awesome "Transformers" is with my secretary, I would have cracked up.

It's doing great in the US and worldwide, and many countries have yet to even premiere the film - so you can expect it to be a huge success with very likely sequels out in the next few summers.

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2007/07/transformers-tr.html

Interesting data from the above source: 90% of the people in the poll who have seen the movie at least rate it as "very good." And although the women 25+ attendance is low, the bracket actually rates the movie the highest. In addition, it appears that the "family crowd" has yet to even see the movie which in turn could drive up American box office numbers above 150 million for the week.

Equipoise
8th July 07, 11:55 AM
One of the best movies I have ever seen.

frumpleswift
8th July 07, 02:45 PM
Just saw it and it was freakin' awesome, in that turn your brain off, ignore the plot, and enjoy the amazing action sequences.

Bumblerod was great, and the fights were simply amazing from Blackout's entry until the very last fight.

I had just one question though:

Why do all movies have to kill the token black person? Even when the black person in question is a super advanced robot from outer space?

Sirc
8th July 07, 03:20 PM
Just saw it and it was freakin' awesome, in that turn your brain off, ignore the plot, and enjoy the amazing action sequences.

Bumblerod was great, and the fights were simply amazing from Blackout's entry until the very last fight.

I had just one question though:

Why do all movies have to kill the token black person? Even when the black person in question is a super advanced robot from outer space?

Because black people aren't really people.

Nid
8th July 07, 03:25 PM
No, they are.

Asians, however.

It's in the eyes.

Not...quite.....::sigh::.... just not quite human.

The thing with the chinaman....he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he karate chops ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah, then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The street turns red, and despite all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.

frumpleswift
8th July 07, 03:40 PM
Because black people aren't really people.

Does that mean when your GF cheated on you with a black guy it wasn't really cheating, just masturbation?

mrblackmagic
9th July 07, 08:22 AM
I loved it although it needed more Bernie Mac.

Question!
9th July 07, 02:05 PM
It didn't need more Bernie Mac, it needed more DECEPTICONS!

Zendetta
9th July 07, 04:41 PM
That movie FUCKING ROCKED.

As others have mentioned: Come On Hollywood! Even when the characters are giant alien robots, you still gotta kill the Brother off?!??!


That being said, it was really cooled that charcters got KILT DEAD.

Question!
9th July 07, 05:27 PM
He was 'black' cause he learned the slang off the Web, yo.

Gezere
9th July 07, 10:04 PM
I was very skeptical of the movie when I first saw the designs and the fact that Bay said he wasn't a fan of the series. But this turned out to be an awesome movie. It was a huge GM commercial but I was cool with that.


*Nerdhat on*

Megatron didn't become the Jet/Cannon thing until after coming in contact with Unicron in which he became Galvatron in the original movie. So they were taking it from that.

Did anybody catch the soundbyte from the 80's movie? That was awesome. I clapped like a little boy on christmas morning when I heard that.

I seriously don't think they could've made that movie any better, that was perfectly balanced for great awesome.

Soundwave was actually also very useful, unlike his original character.

*nerdhat off*


That wasn't Soundwave. Yes I know it was a radio, but in the movie he is actually listed as FRENZY (for you non geeks/fans Frenzy was one of the mini-robots that Soundwave ejected) Still they played with the names a bit more with the Decpticons than with the Autobots. Devestator was a composite robot and not a tank. They should have stuck with BRAWL since he was a tank but also part of the other composite robot group, Combaticons.


I was pissed when the ONLY Autobot to die was Jazz, yeah I'm fucking spoiling it!!! That was some BULLSHIT. The BLACK guy dies. Eddie Winslow shouldn't go out like that!!!!!

Question!
9th July 07, 11:10 PM
I heard that the Tank is Brawl (even in the movie), but they messed up the subtitles (which were the coolest subtitles I've ever seen) and it said Devastator instead.

And while Transformers might be a GM commercial, walking out of the movie I know I felt like getting a F-22 or helicopter rather than a GM vehicle.

fes_fsa
10th July 07, 01:17 AM
that movie was so fucking awesome.

i finally saw it today with my 6 yr old (who's collected and played with them--with mine and his dad's help, of course--for 3 years). after the movie... and asking him all the usual post-movie followup questions you ask your kid... i look down at him and say "i hope you paid attention to how they transformed, sweetie... because i'm not changing another one of those things for you ever again."

Sun Wukong
10th July 07, 01:29 AM
i also found the death of Jazz both un-necessarily sudden and a bit out of place. If anyone should have died, it should have been Ironsides. He was a crappy toy anyway. Come on... a mini-van? did ANYBODY buy him as a kid intentionally?

He was the one that your parents baught for you when they went to the store to get a Transformer but didn't realize how ultra lame he was. Jazz, on the other hand, everybody wanted. Why do you think Ironside was one of the first to go in the 1st Transformer movie.

fes_fsa
10th July 07, 02:02 AM
i also found the death of Jazz both un-necessarily sudden and a bit out of place. If anyone should have died, it should have been Ironsides. He was a crappy toy anyway. Come on... a mini-van? did ANYBODY buy him as a kid intentionally?

He was the one that your parents baught for you when they went to the store to get a Transformer but didn't realize how ultra lame he was. Jazz, on the other hand, everybody wanted. Why do you think Ironside was one of the first to go in the 1st Transformer movie.

transformer quality has gone downhill for a long time. remember the one 20 or so years ago that turned into a boombox? you could actually put a tape inside it and listen to or record shit. not so these days. now... if you get a transformer that turns into say... a handheld game system... you get a robot with a sticker for a screen. :(

Gezere
10th July 07, 06:28 AM
i also found the death of Jazz both un-necessarily sudden and a bit out of place. If anyone should have died, it should have been Ironsides. He was a crappy toy anyway. Come on... a mini-van? did ANYBODY buy him as a kid intentionally?

He was the one that your parents baught for you when they went to the store to get a Transformer but didn't realize how ultra lame he was. Jazz, on the other hand, everybody wanted. Why do you think Ironside was one of the first to go in the 1st Transformer movie.
IIRC The Ironside toy was suppose to be for another project but Transformers took off and they just moved him over to that line.

mrblackmagic
10th July 07, 11:51 AM
It didn't need more Bernie Mac, it needed more DECEPTICONS!

I guess we're both going to have wait for the 3hr and 30min director's cut.

Mas
10th July 07, 12:46 PM
I've been a longtime fan of Transformers and I must say that it was well done. It really brought back just the right amount of memories from when I was 8 while still updating the series. Some nice homages to the movie and series were awesome, they were subtle (for the most part) and made me smile more than once. In fact, I had a gigantic grin on my entire face throughout the movie, reveling in how awesome the movie was. For me it was a nostalgic experience, but my girlfriend who has never watched the old Transformers thought it kicked ass. She thought she was going to hate the movie as the idea of transforming robots "don't make any fucking sense". She came out loving the movie, and she even wished, "that Transformers really did exist". It reminded me of what I thought when I was eight, and for a movie to do something like that to something my age was something that I didn't expect.


That wasn't Soundwave. Yes I know it was a radio, but in the movie he is actually listed as FRENZY (for you non geeks/fans Frenzy was one of the mini-robots that Soundwave ejected) Still they played with the names a bit more with the Decpticons than with the Autobots. Devestator was a composite robot and not a tank. They should have stuck with BRAWL since he was a tank but also part of the other composite robot group, Combaticons.

I'm afraid Asia has t3h correct, sorry Sirc. Soundwave was pushed aside so he could be "done right". I wish they brought some other Decepts to the movie, Brawl is a good choice, but you gotta save some room for Bruticus and other composite bots. I think Ravage was the one missing from the movie on the Decepticon's side, he was iconic for the Decepticons, and could potentially fill many roles.

On the Autobots side, I think Brawn was the one that was missing. As the strongest and scrappiest Autobot, he would have been awesome to see (Sequel plzkthxbye). He would also have a chance to avenge his piss poor performance in the animated movie.

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/central/dead/brawn1.jpg


Wheeljack would have been good too, but Ratchet kind of fills his role.

I was pissed when the ONLY Autobot to die was Jazz, yeah I'm fucking spoiling it!!! That was some BULLSHIT. The BLACK guy dies. Eddie Winslow shouldn't go out like that!!!!!

I agree with this one, I think there should have been a real Autobot redshirt, someone like Gears. Who the fuck remembers Gears anyways?

Sirc
10th July 07, 01:31 PM
http://www.sectorseven.org

password: codeblack

Click on the red hard drive. Watch. +rep me.

frumpleswift
10th July 07, 04:41 PM
that movie was so fucking awesome.

i finally saw it today with my 6 yr old (who's collected and played with them--with mine and his dad's help, of course--for 3 years). after the movie... and asking him all the usual post-movie followup questions you ask your kid... i look down at him and say "i hope you paid attention to how they transformed, sweetie... because i'm not changing another one of those things for you ever again."

Did he ask what masturbation was? Because we heard some very confused kids in our audience.

Question!
10th July 07, 05:23 PM
Just say it's a happy time!

NunOnBreak
12th July 07, 11:14 AM
I watched it last night and loved it, the action was great and special effects were fairly seamless, especially considering their budget.

There was too much of the little annoying boombox guy and not enough Megatron. And where was Starscream's characteristic voice?

However, the biggest impression I had after the movie had to be how hot Megan Fox is.

Zendetta
12th July 07, 05:44 PM
Yea, Starscream needs that coked-up drag queen voice. That was a big key to his character. Wonder if they got the same guy who played Cobra Commander? THey were both Evil Sissies of the first order.

elipson
13th July 07, 12:16 AM
Anyone know how much GM paid for that movie?

For me, that tied 300 for best movie of the year.

Doritosaurus Chex
13th July 07, 06:34 AM
Yea, Starscream needs that coked-up drag queen voice. That was a big key to his character. Wonder if they got the same guy who played Cobra Commander? THey were both Evil Sissies of the first order.

Not possible. Chris Latta is too busy being dead to take up those roles.

PizDoff
13th July 07, 09:00 AM
Questions: So what happened in the fight between Roadblock and Bumblebee?

All we know is that Bumblebee won and drove off with those two. Yet of course Roadblock is in later scenes. Whatever happened to him in the end?

Who was the guy that Optimus Prime killed? The green/tan guy that mega-rollerbladed on the highway.

In the final mega fight, it looks like Megatron shot some energy projectile that turned an inanimate mechanical objects, cars, into Decepticons. Explain please.

I guess that scorpion thing got away? He burrowed into the sand leaving his tail. What happened? What was his name?

Gezere
13th July 07, 01:30 PM
Questions: So what happened in the fight between Roadblock and Bumblebee?

All we know is that Bumblebee won and drove off with those two. Yet of course Roadblock is in later scenes. Whatever happened to him in the end?

Who was the guy that Optimus Prime killed? The green/tan guy that mega-rollerbladed on the highway.

In the final mega fight, it looks like Megatron shot some energy projectile that turned an inanimate mechanical objects, cars, into Decepticons. Explain please.

I guess that scorpion thing got away? He burrowed into the sand leaving his tail. What happened? What was his name?
Barricade was wounded but was seen later. He answers Starscream and is in the chase scene. He's still alive.

Prime killed BONECRUSHER (originally a Constructogon)on the highway.

The engergy bolts were from the ALLSPARK which gave the Transformers life.

SCORPONOK apparently got away since it wasn't seen if he actually died or not. Keep in mind they are already planning for two sequels.

Equipoise
13th July 07, 01:46 PM
Jorai... You seriously didn't know the answer to those questions? Were you watching My Little Pony when you were little?

Question!
13th July 07, 03:32 PM
In the novelization of the movie, Barricade is killed by Prime right after he dispatches Bonecrusher. However since it is not in the film they might bring him back for the sequel.

There is also some speculation based on a 3 second scene in the film that Ironhide kills Barricade. (In that scene, Ironhide is seen picking up a police car and smashing it, some people think that you can see the car start to transform before it is smashed, however there is a laser flash during that scene, making it near impossible to see)

Regardless, I hope they bring him back for the sequel cause he was fucking cool.

Ecks
13th July 07, 05:23 PM
Anyone feel really uncomfortable because they had to sit beside a six year old kid and their momma during the "masturbation" scene? I mean, I laughed as hard as anyone, but I couldn't help but cast the occasional side glance at the mother (who was sorta hot, now that I think about it).

Dio
13th July 07, 05:56 PM
Anyone feel really uncomfortable because they had to sit beside a six year old kid and their momma during the "masturbation" scene? I mean, I laughed as hard as anyone, but I couldn't help but cast the occasional side glance at the mother (who was sorta hot, now that I think about it).

Not to sound prudish or anything, but I really did not feel like that dialogue belonged in the movie in the first place.

It was an appropriate thing for a wacky, tipsy California mom to say to her teenaged son, yes. For a movie advertising a) giant robot action, and b) a toy line aimed at the 7-9 year old age bracket, it was inappropriate. It also completely broke the scene up, where you go from "kid negotiating giant f'n robots hiding in his back yard versus his parents" to "WTF, did she just say that out loud?" I really think a more subtle innuendo on her part would have kept the scene alive.

Stick
13th July 07, 07:34 PM
It may have been a slight stumble, but I wouldn't say it needed to be removed to keep the scene alive; the scene never died.

elipson
13th July 07, 11:39 PM
That scene was boring and took FOREVER. Should have been shorter.

polishillusion
14th July 07, 12:38 AM
thoughts

i loved the movie for the action.

was a little strange how megatron awakens from a 1000 year sleep saying "i am megatron" and just starts smashing shit. did people not notice he was thawing out? they were walking around non-nonchalantly under him as alarms about his thawing were going off.

the first moment i was really happy with the movie was the first "running transformation" that the evil police car did. he transforms while running, and he kind barrel rolls into it and it made me go "wow, they really did a good job with the graphics"
.
the entire relationship is retarded. i don't think she is so hot, and the guy does a terrible job of being a "nerd", plus when did teenagers start looking like 25 year olds?


the first time you see optimus prime transform, it takes like 30 seconds, to the point of it being silly. everyone else transforms within seconds, and he takes like literally 35 or 45 seconds. they really juiced it for all it was worth, which i both bitch about and enjoy at the same time.

what happens to jazz was so abrupt and quick, i actually missed it. weird.

it was stupid that the allspark just creates decepticons for no reason.

also, prime is voiced very strangely at times, especially at the end, and in the commercials, especially in the Burger King one. He sounds like a cock, and that he doesn't give a shit that some of his friends just died. (caution - that was a spoiler, robots fight in this movie)

Did you guys know they had a contest online to pick a quote in the movie and they actually canceled it because YTMND trolled with with "do a barrel roll" and "your the man now dog? " quotes?

there was no development for anyone other then bumblebee and prime and the boombox/cell phone thing

the possibility for sequels is fantastic though. Unicron and Galvatron, bitches. i get the feeling that they will expand the "mini-con" theme that they had, since they displayed scoponok and the boombox/cell phone as minicons at some points.

Question!
14th July 07, 02:36 AM
One theory why the Allspark only created evil robots is because in the movie, all technology is reverse engineered from Megatron who is evil.

polishillusion
14th July 07, 10:23 AM
thats cheesy

PizDoff
16th July 07, 11:12 AM
http://andweshallmarch.typepad.com/and_we_shall_march/images/bumblebee_maybe_1.jpg

Is that Phrost?

polishillusion
16th July 07, 11:17 AM
bumblebee isn't in a leg lock so no.

PizDoff
16th July 07, 12:16 PM
One theory why the Allspark only created evil robots is because in the movie, all technology is reverse engineered from Megatron who is evil.

All Earth technology.
I don't think they explained sparks and the Allspark that well.

You seriously didn't know the answer to those questions? Were you watching My Little Pony when you were little?

Actually I didn't have TV at home/we couldn't afford it until I was in my pre-teens.

Dio
18th July 07, 05:58 PM
it was stupid that the allspark just creates decepticons for no reason.

The "official" reason (which I think is given in the novelization or was stated by one of the producers) is that the critters they create in the movie by accident are created very suddenly as "raw" organisms - primal, ferocious, animalistic. So not Decepticons per se, but definitely monstrous. The Allspark created Cybertron first, which then led to more evolved Transformers coming to life.

Think of Mountain Dewbot (my favorite!), Evil X-Box, Evil Cellphone, etc as the Transformer equivalent of this:

http://www.duncans.tv/images/geico-cavemen-restaurant.jpg

NunOnBreak
23rd July 07, 03:39 PM
trans-badgers.

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