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14th June 07, 09:31 PM
Vatican urges end to Amnesty aid

The Vatican described abortion as "murder"
The Vatican has urged all Catholics to stop donating money to Amnesty International, accusing the human rights group of promoting abortion.
The Vatican also said it was suspending all financial aid to Amnesty over what it said was the group's recent change of policy on the issue.

Amnesty said it was not promoting abortion as a universal right.

But the group said that women had a right to choose, particularly in cases of rape or incest.

"No more financing of Amnesty International after the organisation's pro-abortion about-turn," said a statement from the Roman Catholic Church's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

'Misrepresented account'

The council's president, Cardinal Renato Martino, described abortion as "murder".

"And to justify it selectively, in the event of rape, that is to define an innocent child in the belly of its mother as an enemy, as 'something one can destroy'," the cardinal said.

Amnesty says it does not take any position on whether abortion is right or wrong.

But it defended its new position in support of abortion for women when their health is in danger or human rights are violated, especially in cases of rape or incest.

"We are saying broadly that to criminalise women's management of their sexual reproductive right is the wrong answer," Amnesty's deputy Secretary General Kate Gilmore told Reuters news agency.

"The Catholic Church, through a misrepresented account of our position on selective aspects of abortion, is placing in peril work on human rights," Ms Gilmore said.

Some 45 million unintended pregnancies are terminated around the world every year, the World Health Organisation says.

Nearly 70,000 women die annually from unsafe abortions, it says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6750887.stm

All I can say is: Keep up the good work, Benedict!

elipson
14th June 07, 09:56 PM
I love the amensty response:

Meh. We didn't know we recieved any funding from the Church.

Truculent Sheep
15th June 07, 04:29 AM
Amnesty's a busted flush. A decade or so ago, it did have influence, but it's now just another pressure group for pinkos who just want to whinge about America while wallowing in moral relativism of the worst sort.

Or as one radio episode of Alan Partridge put it, 'Amnesty International was set up by embitterred old hippies'.

Kiko
15th June 07, 07:49 AM
Each group is entitled to their beliefs and members of either have the right to support those beliefs via efforts or donations - or by NOT participating/donating. So what's the big deal?

Also, TS has a point.

john joe
15th June 07, 09:01 AM
although, on balance, the catholic church and its beliefs are miles more stupid than amnesty international.

Sun Wukong
15th June 07, 05:49 PM
AI really needs to do some house-cleaning. They waste money and resources on some incredibly dim causes where if they were to re-evaluate their expenditures under $$$ vs. lives saved they'd spend their money far more wisely. In some instances they spend rediculous sums of money on high profile efforts saving the life of a convicted multiple murderer to reduce his sentence from death to life when they could have saved far more lives (actual innocent lives) far easier merely by feeding the poor and treating the sick in 3rd world countries.

bob
15th June 07, 05:53 PM
But that's not their cause. They're not 'Feed the Poor' or 'Heal the Sick' International. They're Amnesty International.

frumpleswift
15th June 07, 05:56 PM
although, on balance, the catholic church and its beliefs are miles more stupid than amnesty international.

Catholicism is about as rational as any other -ism.

Sun Wukong
15th June 07, 05:58 PM
Well then they can feed the poor and heal the sick in refugee camps. Addenda: they can build housing for them too while they are at it. The cost of building a house in many 3rd world countries can be incredible relatively small sum of money when compared to court proceedings for 3 years in a US courtroom.

bob
15th June 07, 06:03 PM
I can accept the criticism that they're efforts are focussed on the wrong people. But there is a need for cause specific organisations. It's pointless to say that they're ignoring bigger areas of need when they have deliberately chosen to focus their efforts on the area of unjust imprisonment.

What's the point of The Leukemia Foundation when Leukemia is actually relatively rare? Shouldn't they be dealing with breast cancer instead?

TM
16th June 07, 11:09 AM
Maybe they just needed the money (and the children) for more pornography.

Quikfeet509
16th June 07, 08:04 PM
I can accept the criticism that they're efforts are focussed on the wrong people. But there is a need for cause specific organisations. It's pointless to say that they're ignoring bigger areas of need when they have deliberately chosen to focus their efforts on the area of unjust imprisonment.

What's the point of The Leukemia Foundation when Leukemia is actually relatively rare? Shouldn't they be dealing with breast cancer instead?



Actually those that traffic in all of the possible medical interventions for breast cancer have already done a great job of focusing public attention on it (versus heart disease, for example).


They don't need any more help. Or ribbons. Plus life-threatening pediatric diseases will always trump those of adults.

bob
16th June 07, 09:54 PM
I know, I was just trying to make a point.

WarPhalange
16th June 07, 10:08 PM
They don't need any more help. Or ribbons. Plus life-threatening pediatric diseases will always trump those of adults.

I know, what the fuck? I mean, those kids are going to be adults sooner or later, too. So why not just go straight for adult help and work your way down?

Quikfeet509
16th June 07, 10:22 PM
I know, I was just trying to make a point.

I know, I was just illustrating one of the wonderful effects of alcohol, i.e., responding to the periphery while ignoring the main point.



I know, what the fuck? I mean, those kids are going to be adults sooner or later, too. So why not just go straight for adult help and work your way down?


Kids are prettier and they don't have "old person smell". Plus, pediatric diseases are usually not caused by some ridiculous lifestyle indulgence like most adult disease, therefore kids are more important.

Plus children are our future. Treat them well and...I don't know...let them lead the way.

ironlurker
16th June 07, 11:44 PM
they don't have "old person smell".
Somewhere between pee and old vitamins in my experience. Then again, they'll rock you at bingo.