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Steve
13th May 07, 11:31 PM
Yes, Scientology is old news... But hopefully this will be eye opening for those dolts that are still on the fence about it:

Row over Scientology video
By John Sweeney
BBC News

http://imgred.com/http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42917000/jpg/_42917843_scientology1_203i.jpgThe battleground is YouTube and Scientology's weapon is a clip of me losing it in the "Mind Control" section of a gruesome exhibition.

Scientology has fought many battles to keep its secrets off the web, now they are using it to attack my investigation into them.

Scientology has prepared an attack video, and they have shown the Scientology v Sweeney shouting match to anyone who would watch it.

There is talk of 100,000 copies being released.

Family 'disconnects'

Scientology works. That is the message from celebs like John Travolta and Tom Cruise - who is, some say, keen on recruiting new Hollywood arrivals David and Victoria Beckham to what he calls his religion.

Others back the Church in various ways: Chief Superintendent Kevin Hurley of the City of London police helped open a new £20 million Scientology centre in London, and the authorities in the City of London have granted it cut-price rates.

If you are interested in becoming a TV journalist, it is a fine example of how not to do it. I look like an exploding tomato and shout like a jet engine ... it makes me cringe

But start asking questions and you see a different face of Scientology.

While making our BBC Panorama film "Scientology and Me" I have been shouted at, spied on, had my hotel invaded at midnight, denounced as a "bigot" by star Scientologists, brain-washed - that is how it felt to me - in a mock up of a Nazi-style torture chamber and chased round the streets of Los Angeles by sinister strangers.

Back in Britain strangers have called on my neighbours, my mother-in-law's house and someone spied on my wedding and fled the moment he was challenged.

I have met mothers who say they have suffered Scientology "disconnects" - meaning that their children have cut them completely out of their life so that they can spend more time with an organisation which a judge in 1984 characterised as "corrupt, sinister and dangerous".

Psychiatry battle

Scientology has two faces - nice and smiley, and sinister and dark. If you do not believe me, go and see their exhibition in Los Angeles, Psychiatry: Industry of Death. You enter through a door that is a mock-up of a torture chamber.

http://imgred.com/http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42918000/jpg/_42918637_bbc203indexjohn.jpgJohn Sweeney spent many weeks investigating Scientology. (This is John ---->)

Scientologists want "the global obliteration" of psychiatrists, who they say were to blame for the rise of Nazi Germany.

To prove their point, they showed me hideous images of people having needles stuffed in their eyeballs, of patients undergoing electric shocks and having their brains operated on.

Sickening, nasty and wholly unconvincing - modern psychiatry, for all its faults, is not Nazi and to press the point in the way that Scientology does devalues the horror of the Holocaust.

I felt as though I was being brain-washed - and that if I did not fight it, they would have taken over my mind.

Ironically or not, it was in the "Mind Control" section of the exhibition that I lost it.

'Exploding tomato'

As often in life, I snapped over something completely different and quite trivial.

Top Scientologist Tommy "Don't mention the word cult" Davis had been goading me all week, and on the seventh day I fell into his elephant trap. He shouted at me and I shouted back, louder.

If you are interested in becoming a TV journalist, it is a fine example of how not to do it. I look like an exploding tomato and shout like a jet engine and every time I see it makes me cringe.

I apologised almost immediately, Tommy carried on as if nothing had happened but meanwhile Scientology had rushed off copies of me losing it to my boss, my boss's boss and my boss's boss's boss, the Director-General of the BBC.

I lost my voice, but not my mind.

This is the context Scientology will not tell you about. I have met too many good people who say Scientology was founded by a liar, L Ron Hubbard; that it attacks its critics without mercy; and the celebrities who endorse it have not the foggiest idea what it is really like.

Take "Rosemary", who is an ordinary mum and lives in England. She had two children and one died. Her surviving daughter was also her best friend. Then her daughter joined Scientology and her mother saw less and less of her.

Almost two years ago she received a "disconnect" - a letter cutting her mother out of her life totally.

Rosemary received no Christmas cards, no birthday cards, no Mother's Day cards.

Rosemary said Scientology was a cult. It was one of the most moving and shocking interviews I have ever done.

Out of the blue, three hours after we left, her daughter came round for the first time in almost two years seeking a reconciliation. The next day she begged her mum not to use the interview. So we won't.

Pay as you go

In Florida I met Mike Henderson, who with his wife Donna Shannon, spent $1m over three decades on Scientology's path to superhuman powers. When the couple left, they were disconnected from 20-odd family members left inside Scientology.

Mike's father - also disconnected - is dying, but five out of his six children will not speak to him because they are still inside Scientology.

After a long day with Mike and Donna we went back to our hotel at midnight, only to find Tommy Davis waiting in the lobby with his own black-clad Scientology cameraman.

He harangued me for talking to the heretics. I told him that Scientology had been spying on the BBC and that was creepy.

In LA, the moment our hire car left the airport we realised we were being followed by two cars.

In our hotel a weird stranger spent every breakfast listening to us. In all, we count 13 strangers - private investigators? - who were following us. Scientology denied sending PIs after the BBC.

Scientology is a pay-as-you-go religion - which is one of the reasons why the Charity Commission in Britain does not class it as a religion.

When you have paid as much as £100,000, you get to Operating Thetan Level Three and learn about "The Incident".

http://imgred.com/http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42917000/jpg/_42917845_hubbard_ap203b.jpgL Ron wrote that 75 million years ago an intergalactic space alien lord called Xenu kidnapped Thetans to earth, dumped them in volcanoes and blew them up with atomic bombs.

Ex-Scientologists have insisted to me that Xenu is part of Scientology. If so, it is a religion that requires its followers not to tell others about its core belief, which is very odd.

Critics say that if we all knew about Xenu, then Scientology could not charge people as much as £100,000 to find out about him.

Despite all the pressure - the letters from lawyers, the letters from MPs, the strangers knocking up my family and neighbours - if people from "disconnected" families tell me that Scientology is a cult, that will be reported.

Scientology And Me, Panorama, Monday, 8.30pm, BBC1.

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Link. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6650545.stm)

This is one of the videos that Sweeney says the Scientologists released to discredit him:

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Interesting...

The program, Scentology And Me should be available for everyone to view after it's been played tomorrow here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/default.stm).

I'll be watching, anyone else?

Steve
13th May 07, 11:51 PM
Top Scientologist Tommy "Don't mention the word cult" Davis

Speaking of Agent Smith... er, Tommy Davis:

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Sun Wukong
14th May 07, 03:59 AM
This little nugget is highly revealing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZIc0UY2g4s&mode=related&search=

enormous amounts of sweeping generalizations filled with empty epiphets.

I'm very glad I at least was spared this indignity in my life.

If I get hit by a car tomorrow, I can always say, "well, at least I'm not a scientologist" and die at least partially satisfied that my dignity is still intact.

Truculent Sheep
14th May 07, 04:59 AM
Why hasn't this sham cult of weirdoes and gangsters been banned yet? There's even a stall in Winchester trying to recruit new members. Or do legislators need a mass suicide first before they send in the police?

bob
14th May 07, 05:03 AM
Why hasn't this sham cult of weirdoes and gangsters been banned yet? There's even a stall in Winchester trying to recruit new members. Or do legislators need a mass suicide first before they send in the police?

People should always be free to be idiots. It gives me something to laugh at.

Truculent Sheep
14th May 07, 07:58 AM
Free to be idiots, yes. But not free to prey on the stupid or vulnerable.

Question!
14th May 07, 02:29 PM
There's a Church of Scientology opposite my campus. I was handed a Scientology pamphlet once, but never a Christian or whatever pamphlet.

Sun Wukong
14th May 07, 02:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1lI

probably the most informative film ever on the subject, and still decades later, people are still eating this shit up. ridiculous without approach.

Neildo
14th May 07, 02:52 PM
Jesus, My Commodore?

My commode, more like. Brainwashed much?

Stick
14th May 07, 03:09 PM
Wow, his crew must be trained in judo and weaponry; private army FTW.

The study of knowing..... for the lose.

Dark Helmet
14th May 07, 05:07 PM
Anyone want to wager how this is all going to end?

I will be very impressed when they finaly organise mass line-ups for the Kool-aid lines .
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The line will start at the celebrity center in Hollywod thats for sure.

Stick
14th May 07, 07:01 PM
"How many crimes can you cover up? How many? Come on, tell us, how many? Your criminal organization! How many? Can you not answer? Where's your leader today" Not allowed to speak? How many crimes have you covered up, just today? How many? How many?"

What the fuck is this scientology line about? I've seen this in several videos. What sort of briliant fucking strategy is this, scientologists approach their critics and say "what are your crimes" or "how many crimes have you covered up".

This is madness!

Madness?

...

This. Is. SCIENTOLOGY!

ironlurker
14th May 07, 07:13 PM
This is the number one anti-scientology site, run by ex members:
http://www.xenu.net/

They have all t3h s3cr3t levels and lots of FAQ's. A great place to start if you want to learn about the massive scam that is scientology.

Example, false claims of Hubbard, the liar, pervert, and pseudo-intellectual:


The above biography is as close to the facts as can be verified by available documentation. This is not, however, the biography of Hubbard as promulgated by the Church of Scientology. The church has published many biographical summaries over the years. These have contained a large number of claims that do not survive fact checking. Often these are quoted statements by Hubbard or are based on comments attributed to him. Among them are:

•He was trained as a nuclear physicist.

•At the age of six, he was honored with the status of blood brother of the Blackfeet in a ceremony that is still recalled by tribal elders.

•He was up and down the China coast several times in his teens from Ching Wong Tow to Hong Kong and inland to Peking and Manchuria.

•He was the youngest Eagle Scout in the history of the Boy Scouts.

•The following years, from 1925 to 1929, saw the young Mr Hubbard, between the ages of 14 and 18, as a budding and enthusiastic world traveller and adventurer. His father was sent to the Far East and having the financial support of his wealthy grandfather, L. Ron Hubbard, spent these years journeying through Asia.

•With virtually no training time, he takes up powered flight and barnstorms throughout the Midwest.

•His family owned a ranch 1/3 the size of Montana.

•His first action on leaving college was to blow off steam by leading an expedition into Central America. In the next few years he headed three, all of them undertaken to study savage peoples and cultures to provide fodder for his articles and stories. Between 1933 and 1941 he visited many barbaric cultures and yet found time to write seven million words of published fact and fiction.

•He has published some fourteen movies.

•He served in the South Pacific, and in 1942 was relieved by fifteen officers of rank and was rushed home to take part in the 1942 battle against German submarines as Commanding Officer of a Corvette serving in the North Atlantic. In 1943 he was made Commodore of Corvette Squadrons, and in 1944 he worked with amphibious forces. After serving in all five theaters of World War II and receiving 21 medals and palms, in 1944 he was severely wounded and was taken crippled and blinded to Oak Knoll Naval Hospital.

•He spent 11 years researching Dianetics

Not one of these statements is true.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/4.htm

Quikfeet509
14th May 07, 07:25 PM
"How many crimes can you cover up? How many? Come on, tell us, how many? Your criminal organization! How many? Can you not answer? Where's your leader today" Not allowed to speak? How many crimes have you covered up, just today? How many? How many?"

What the fuck is this scientology line about? I've seen this in several videos. What sort of briliant fucking strategy is this, scientologists approach their critics and say "what are your crimes" or "how many crimes have you covered up".

This is madness!

Madness?

...

This. Is. SCIENTOLOGY!


Isn't like it the lines used by the bitch from Dharma and Greg about how nonbelievers rape babies or something?

Truculent Sheep
15th May 07, 04:44 AM
Here's the Panorama episode in all its glory. Seriously, if you watch this and still believe Hubbard's lies, you are... Well. A SCIENTOLOGIST!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_4120000/newsid_4124500?

Yiktin Voxbane
15th May 07, 06:45 AM
This. Is. SCIENTOLOGY!

Well ..... it's certainly not caketown ... (or that mythologoical place, Persia)



BTW , I would like to go on record as saying south park did a wonderful job of explaining Scientology .

Stick
15th May 07, 02:36 PM
Here's the Panorama episode in all its glory. Seriously, if you watch this and still believe Hubbard's lies, you are... Well. A SCIENTOLOGIST!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_4120000/newsid_4124500?


"We're sorry. The content you requested is available for UK users only."

Steve
15th May 07, 02:46 PM
The program, Scentology And Me should be available for everyone to view after it's been played tomorrow here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/default.stm).

It works here^, just click the Watch Now.

have to wait till I get home to view it...

Dagon Akujin
16th May 07, 12:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1lI (http://www.contemporaryinsanity.org/audio-video/south-parks-scientology-episode.html)

probably the most informative film ever on the subject, and still decades later, people are still eating this shit up. ridiculous without approach.

fixed.

Sun Wukong
16th May 07, 03:30 AM
i can't blame Sweeney one bit for losing his top. I don't think I could have stomached talking to such human refuse for more than a few minutes without making my blood boil.

Sun Wukong
16th May 07, 10:05 PM
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LRH's grandson... doesn't believe a word of it.

frumpleswift
16th May 07, 10:12 PM
I will be very impressed when they finaly organise mass line-ups for the Kool-aid lines .


This only works if the table before the kool-aid has a lawyer and notary filling out "leave everything to $cientology" wills.

Sun Wukong
16th May 07, 10:33 PM
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Scientology takes over the Cult Awareness Network...

Edit: 60 Minutes lays the smack down

WarPhalange
16th May 07, 10:47 PM
Does anybody know who actually pockets all the cash from the "donations"?

Sun Wukong
17th May 07, 03:45 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9psX5SlXb_g

Link to where all the scientologists are actually discussing the John Sweeney interview with Tommy Davis.

Edit: actually, I double checked it... what they did was post the video, spam it with their own one sided comments and then disable comment posting so that it all looked one sided against sweeney. No shit, Look at and judge for yourself.

They did the same thing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqR5NPhtLI&mode=related&search=

They are essentially re-posting video's that had alot of commentary that is critical of scientology only with entirely controlled commentary and spamming it hundreds of thousands of times without commentary so that it looks like those are the most popular videos to the youtube search engine.

Now... ain't that some shit?

Steve
17th May 07, 03:51 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to chris_ketchens again.

Sun Wukong
17th May 07, 04:59 AM
Hold onto your jaw, this is going to get weird.

Presented: List of Celebrity Scientologists as reported on Wikipedia.org

A
Kirstie Alley, actress from Cheers

Anne Archer (http://www.sociocide.com/wiki/Anne_Archer) [1] (http://www.sociocide.com/forums/#_note-InsideStone), actress (her son, Tommy Davis, runs the Los Angeles (http://www.sociocide.com/wiki/Los_Angeles%2C_California) "Celebrity Centre (http://www.sociocide.com/wiki/Celebrity_Centre)")



B

James Stacy Barbour, Broadway actor
Lynsey Bartilson, actress
Beck, musician, raised Scientologist
Catherine Bell, actress
Karen Black, actress
Sonny Bono (deceased 1998), musician and member of U.S. House of Representatives from California (Claimed Catholicism on campaign biographies)C
David Cambell musician, composer, arranger
Grant Cordone, motivational speaker
Nancy Cartright, voice over artist, most famous as the voice of Bart Simpson... Say it ain't so Bart, say it ain't so...
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Chick Corea musician
Tom Cruise, actor (raised Catholic, according to Parade; attended a Franciscan seminary in Cincinnati and aspired to become a Catholic priest)D
Sky Dayton, founder and Chairman of the Board of Earthlink
Eddie Deezen, actor
Doug Dohring, ex-owner of Neopets
Jason Dohring, actorE
Bodhi Elfman, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress (Dharma and Greg), raised CatholicF
Doug E. Fresh, actor and musicianG
Kenton Gray, car and motorcycle race driverH
Paul Haggis, director
Isaac Hayes, musician and actor,
Katie Holmes, actress (born and raised Catholic), introduced to Scientology by Tom Cruise, whom she later married.
Nicky Hopkins,musician (deceased 1994 (http://www.sociocide.com/wiki/1994))
Tyler Hynes, actorI
Mark Isham, musicianK
Milton Katselas, acting teacher
Chaka Khan, singerL
Jason Lee, actor, star of "My name is Earl", Mallrats, etc and professional skateboarder
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Johnny Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actressM
Christopher Masterson, actor
Danny Masterson, actor
Lisa MacPherson(deceased), died at Fort Harrison Hotel.
Peter Medak, director
Jim Meskimen, actor and improviser
Sofia Milos, actress (CSI Miami)
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producerN
Haywood Nelson, actor
Corin Nemec, actor
Marisol Nichols, actress (" 24 "))
Judy Norton, actress and musicianP
James Packer, Australian businessman
Eduardo Palomo (decease), actor, and his wife Carina Ricco, actress and musician
Don Pearson, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
Micheal Pena, actor
David Pomeranz, singer/songwriter
Laura Prepon, actress
Lisa Marie Presley singer, Michael Jackson's ex-wife, and daughter of Elvis Presley.
Priscilla Presley, actress and wife of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife, raised Catholic. R
Leah Remini, actress
Patrick Renna, actor
Ernie Reyes, Jr. actor "Sidekicks" and TMNT...
Giovanni Ribisi actor, raised Scientologist.
Marissa Ribisi actress, wife of Beck Hensen, sister of Giovanni, raised Scientologist.
Ruddy Rodriguez, actress
Elena Rogero, singer
Mimi Rogers, actress (no longer believed to be active in the church, but still holds the beliefs apparently)S
Pablos Santos, actor
Jeffrey Scott, screenwriter
Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
Eric Sherman, film consultant
David Singer, chiropractor, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
Reed Slatkin, famous Ponzi Scheme operator
Michelle Stafford, actress
Ethan Suplee, actor, Co-Star "My Name is Earl", Brother in Law to Juliette LewisT
John Travolta, actorV
Greta Van Susteran, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteran, on Fox News Channel.W
Persia White, actress
Edgar Winter, musicianZ
Bryan Zwan, founder and CEO of Digital Lightwave.

Steve
17th May 07, 05:05 AM
The links don't work, FYI.

Zendetta
17th May 07, 08:12 PM
Earthlink is a Scientology front company. If they are your internet provider, then you are helping fund Xenu's bid to rule the universe.

Question!
17th May 07, 08:43 PM
Ernie Reyes Jr. is a Scientologist? Wow.

frumpleswift
17th May 07, 09:39 PM
Ernie Reyes Jr. is a Scientologist? Wow.

So Scientology IS Bullshido.

Steve
17th May 07, 09:48 PM
Shocker.

frumpleswift
17th May 07, 09:50 PM
For my next trick I will prove that water is wet and George W. is an idiot.

Steve
17th May 07, 09:55 PM
NO WAY, srsly???

frumpleswift
17th May 07, 10:02 PM
It is a shock I know. But I have an even bigger shocker for you. Michael Jackson is a child molester.

Steve
17th May 07, 10:05 PM
GET OUT! You gots to be kiddin...

Sun Wukong
18th May 07, 03:43 AM
First Church of Xenu !!!

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Awesome.

Sun Wukong
18th May 07, 03:55 PM
LRH's son speaks his mind about LRH and Scientology.

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Dagon Akujin
21st May 07, 02:55 PM
L-Ron quotes:
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DerAuslander108
21st May 07, 03:25 PM
Why, Ernie? Why?

Steve
30th May 07, 10:47 PM
Yet another guy gets harassed by Scientologists about videoing one of their events:

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Edit: it's an old video, so I guess the story in the OP isn't really that new.

Stick
31st May 07, 02:26 PM
God that video is great.

"What are you afraid of? What are your crimes? Murder, perhaps?"

"uh, yeah, murder!"

"Did you take time off from beating your wife to come down here?"

Steve
31st May 07, 02:39 PM
Yeah, and the "he looks like a child molester," was pretty funny too.

Those guys are seriously retarded. I just don't understand their logic in saying that the dude's afraid of Scientology because he has crimes to hide. As he says to them in the video, it wouldn't be a very good idea to come to the event if he was trying to hide something from the Scientologists.