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Ouden
19th April 07, 04:31 PM
Compare the coverage of the Duke Lacrosse case, Don Imus, or even the Jasper, TX dragging death to this:

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_5491934,00.html

Which is called "not a race issue" and "no hate crime charges will be made."

Hardly any national media coverage and barely any local coverage. Reverse the skin colors and you'd never hear the end of it.

Nope, there's no double standard and no agenda. Not at all.

Brief summary of what happened to them:

Female tortured and repeatedly raped for a period of two days by five black assailants.

Female's breasts cut from body while still alive.

Toxic cleaning fluid poured down her throat to destroy DNA evidence.

Boyfriend was tortured and forced to watch the rape and torture of Channon.

While still alive, they cut off his penis.

Chris was shot multiple times, bound and his body wrapped in bedding and set on fire.

Channon was chopped up and thrown in a trash can.

Zendetta
19th April 07, 07:08 PM
Nope, there's no double standard and no agenda. Not at all.

Double Standard? Frequently, and disgusting. The answer is open and honest dialogue. I don't think you are interested in open and honest dialogue with black people, or you might have juxtaposed those articles with post-Katrina media of white people "finding supplies" and black people "looting"

Agenda? No, thats a paranoid fantasy of backwards losers who unfortunately missed out on the "White Race's" greatest acheivement.

Stick
19th April 07, 08:50 PM
Yeah, that's a pretty fucking horrible story, and if the races were reversed I wouldn't be surprised to have heard more about it.

That I acknowledge that double standard should not be taken as some sort of approval of the Stormfront crowd.

DerAuslander108
19th April 07, 10:08 PM
Kind of like the discussion Stick and I had last night.

We are constantly reminded by the media that the VT shooter was "South Korean"...or "an immigrant". The kid spend most of his life in NOVA. He's not from Seoul. He's from Fairfax.

frumpleswift
19th April 07, 10:13 PM
Kind of like the discussion Stick and I had last night.

We are constantly reminded by the media that the VT shooter was "South Korean"...or "an immigrant". The kid spend most of his life in NOVA. He's not from Seoul. He's from Fairfax.

Let's not play up the Fairfax thing too much...I live in Fairfax.

And Zendetta win's for the Katrina memories.

DerAuslander108
19th April 07, 10:39 PM
Then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Agreed on Zendetta's win.

Ouden
20th April 07, 03:38 PM
So a couple of words being different during Katrina for White/Black outweighs a near complete media blackout of brutal hate crimes. Gotcha.

Granted the Katrina thing was stupid, although I only saw a couple of pictures that had captions in that manner. And Zendetta I am actually interested in open and honest dialogue with black people...although it's not really "black" people that are the problem, it's the media bosses.

This is not the first rape/torture/murder that has been covered up in the manner of these Knoxville Murders. Look up the Carr brothers and the Wichita Massacre as well.

Zendetta
20th April 07, 04:24 PM
Gotcha.

You ain't got shit, Nazi.

The Katrina thing is an especially potent example, because similiar images were protrayed as acceptable in the case of whites, and criminal in the case of blacks, when the journalists had no info other than the images and their own prejudices.

Your attempt to gloss over this while discussing "juxtaposition" of media images speaks volumes about your so-called "honesty".

At least thats my opinion, but then again I'm pretty prejudiced against Nazis, race-baiters, and Hitler nut-riders.



Out here, a recent cause celebre was Crips founder Tookie Williams.

Leading up to his execution he was widely embraced by lefty types out here in California. Thing is, he picked some of his murder victims because they were white, and referred to the asian victims of his brutal murders as "Buddha Heads".

So while all the Berkeley Activists Types were all "Save Tookie!", my take was "Fuck Tookie. He is a bigoted murderer guilty of deadly hate crimes, and you have no business lionizing him."

Just like you, a sHitler Fan, have no business complaining about the misuse of media for propaganda purposes.

billy sol hurok
20th April 07, 04:38 PM
Out here, a recent cause celebre was Crips founder Tookie Williams.

Leading up to his execution he was widely embraced by lefty types out here in California. Thing is, he picked some of his murder victims because they were white, and referred to the asian victims of his brutal murders as "Buddha Heads".

So while all the Berkeley Activists Types were all "Save Tookie!", my take was "Fuck Tookie. He is a bigoted murderer guilty of deadly hate crimes, and you have no business lionizing him."
Yeah, fucking tookie.

That was when some smartass reported pwnt Jesse Jackson by asking him to name just one of Tookie's victims.

Was trying to source that, and came across these photos from the protest. What a fucking sideshow! (http://www.zombietime.com/tookie/)

frumpleswift
20th April 07, 04:54 PM
Racism exists. It is not unique to white culture or black culture. You as a person have a choice on how you respond to racism. You can respond to racism with racism with an eye for an eye mentality, or you can break the chain of hate, turn the other cheek, and try to heal the world.

You stormfront fuckers just use black racism as an excuse for being racists. The failings of others are no excuse for your own failings, so climb down from your trees and try a little cultural evolution.

Edit:

Unfortunately racism will always exist because it is a social construct based on primitive fears of "the other." And you can always find reasons to divide people.

When Europeans lacked blacks, asians, etc. to hate, they hated each other, French versus Germans versus English, with deep rooted racial hatreds. When the Scottish didn't have the English to hate, they divided readily into clans, each with its own sense of racial superiority to the other clans.

You can keep subdividing ad infitum, and always find new reasons to hate.

Stupid humanity.

Neildo
20th April 07, 05:21 PM
I just received this forward from a co-worker. Lulz:

Unbiased Broadcasting


Well, it appears a few hypersensitive African-American friends have found
yet something else to be pissed about. A black congresswoman reportedly
complained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian-sounding names.
She would prefer some names that reflect African-American culture, such as
Chamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaqueal, and Jamal.
She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in language that
street people can understand because one of the problems in New Orleans was
that regular folks couldn't understand the seriousness of the situation due
to the "racially biased language" of the weather report.
I can hear it now. A Houston weatherman announces:

"Wazzup, mutha-fukkas! Hehr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin' fo' yo ass like
Leroy on a crotch rocket! Bitch be a category fo'! So grab yo' chirren,
yo'Ho, be leavin yo crib, and head fo' da nearest guv'ment office fo yo
FREE shit!"

Zendetta
20th April 07, 05:41 PM
LOL. Goddam it Neildo, don't get me laffing at tasteless racist humor when I'm busy fucking with Ouden for being a nazi!!!

Zendetta
21st April 07, 12:38 PM
Hey Ouden,

I clicked those links.

Nat'l Vanguard is shut down (honest question here - do you know why? seriosuly, I'd like to know), and Stormfront is full of some of the dumbest shits I've ever seen post on the internet.

Frankly, Stromfront is a good arguement for not bringing the internet to backwards, ignorant, benighted areas of the world.

Must sting the Ol' Aryan Pride a bit to see the Movement losing so bad to the inferior mud races. Here's a hint to help you deal: its called 'evolution'.

ironlurker
21st April 07, 02:06 PM
Hey Ouden,

I clicked those links.

Nat'l Vanguard is shut down (honest question here - do you know why? seriosuly, I'd like to know), and Stormfront is full of some of the dumbest shits I've ever seen post on the internet.
Has anyone noticed that network solutions hosts American white supremacist sites like Jew Watch and Panzerfaust, as well as extremist Islamic sites like Ghaliboun.net and others, from Saudi groups, Islamic Jihad, etc.?


One group specifically noted in the report was "Iron Guard," a group of crackers that has been linked to Muslim extremist groups. http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/l0804/27l04/27l04.asp&guid=

I came up on this in my research a while ago and it kind of weirded me out. I'd love to hear if you guys who obviously know more about nazis on t3h int3rw3bz have noticed this or know anything about it.
Islamic fringe radicals + cracker American nazis? Shades of Oklahoma City, shit did I just say that . . .

Osiris
21st April 07, 05:44 PM
The Tookie case didn't have much to do with race. The issue wasn't whether Tookie WAS an asshole, but whether or not he was currently useful enough to leave alive.

Zendetta
21st April 07, 07:11 PM
The Tookie case didn't have much to do with race.

Goddam, what the fuck are you on today?

Regarding the dosage: either too much or not enough.

ICY
21st April 07, 08:00 PM
I'm surprised it took you this long to make a thread about it. Guess you must not pay much attention to the news or Stormfront, Ouden, or you'd have been hopping up and down about this last week.

The reason a double standard is needed is people like you.

billy sol hurok
22nd April 07, 08:34 AM
I'm surprised it took you this long to make a thread about it. Guess you must not pay much attention to the news or Stormfront, Ouden, or you'd have been hopping up and down about this last week.

The reason a double standard is needed is people like you.

Cracky, you are a nappy-headed ho(ser). And I mean that in the best possible way.

Zendetta
22nd April 07, 01:02 PM
You know, you're right. THere are pix out there of Cracky in some kind of frizzy-ass Jewfro. THe rest speaks for itself.

billy sol hurok
22nd April 07, 09:11 PM
Yes, I used the term advisedly.

AAAhmed46
23rd April 07, 02:22 AM
What the hell kind of name is tookie?

WarPhalange
23rd April 07, 08:48 AM
Tanooki I can understand.

Ouden
27th April 07, 06:58 PM
Hey Ouden,

I clicked those links.

Nat'l Vanguard is shut down (honest question here - do you know why? seriosuly, I'd like to know), and Stormfront is full of some of the dumbest shits I've ever seen post on the internet.

Frankly, Stromfront is a good arguement for not bringing the internet to backwards, ignorant, benighted areas of the world.

Must sting the Ol' Aryan Pride a bit to see the Movement losing so bad to the inferior mud races. Here's a hint to help you deal: its called 'evolution'.

I haven't yet removed National Vanguard from my links, haven't been on all that often...but haven't been associated with National Vanguard for a while. Stormfront has gone down hill lately, but still allows more free speech than most other sites. There are dumbasses everywhere, but there's also plenty of normal intelligent people there as well.

That would be called devolution. Just a little help for your typo there.

And it doesn't sting my Aryan pride at all.


I'm surprised it took you this long to make a thread about it. Guess you must not pay much attention to the news or Stormfront, Ouden, or you'd have been hopping up and down about this last week.

The reason a double standard is needed is people like you.

Been too busy working to read the news.

Ouden
27th April 07, 07:04 PM
You ain't got shit, Nazi.

The Katrina thing is an especially potent example, because similiar images were protrayed as acceptable in the case of whites, and criminal in the case of blacks, when the journalists had no info other than the images and their own prejudices.

Your attempt to gloss over this while discussing "juxtaposition" of media images speaks volumes about your so-called "honesty".

At least thats my opinion, but then again I'm pretty prejudiced against Nazis, race-baiters, and Hitler nut-riders.

That last line about sums it up. Neither of us will bother believing the other, because we're both extremists on opposite ends of the spectrum.

It is a good example, I'll freely give you that much. But I don't put that on the same level as this. These brutal murders are commonly ignored (Wichita Massacre as another example) while things like the Jasper, TX dragging and the Matthew Shephard event are blared to the moons. All you have to do is reverse the skin colors in Knoxville and this would be on every national media outlet every single day for the next year.



Out here, a recent cause celebre was Crips founder Tookie Williams.

Leading up to his execution he was widely embraced by lefty types out here in California. Thing is, he picked some of his murder victims because they were white, and referred to the asian victims of his brutal murders as "Buddha Heads".

So while all the Berkeley Activists Types were all "Save Tookie!", my take was "Fuck Tookie. He is a bigoted murderer guilty of deadly hate crimes, and you have no business lionizing him."

Just like you, a sHitler Fan, have no business complaining about the misuse of media for propaganda purposes.

You actually don't know anything about my "Hitler fandom." This avatar was around before my racialist beliefs. I don't see him as the evil demon most people do, nor do I go around worshipping him.

Zendetta
27th April 07, 09:03 PM
That last line about sums it up. Neither of us will bother believing the other, because we're both extremists on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Check yourself right there, 'friend'. I'm no where near the opposite end of the spectrum from you. I have alot of ideas that the PC left would call "eurocentric", and am pretty disgusted with the way the extremes on both ends treat race.

Its just that being disgusted with Nazis is pretty fucking mainstream.


It is a good example

Damn straight, because its totally parrallel.


All you have to do is reverse the skin colors in Knoxville and this would be on every national media outlet every single day for the next year.

Yes, and the Duke case is another particularly poignant example. But it pales before all of the historical, genocidal shit that white folks have done. Really.

That doesn't make it okay - in fact its often so egregious these days that it demands frank discussion if our culture is going to move forward on race issues.

But in light of aforementioned historical oppression, taking a victim tone is completely wrong. And, yes, before you answer, that is what you are doing.

Victimology does not speak well of the strength of any 'race'.


You actually don't know anything about my "Hitler fandom." This avatar was around before my racialist beliefs. I don't see him as the evil demon most people do, nor do I go around worshipping him.

Whatever. You are repping for Ol' One Nut now, and if you don't like being lumped in with more deserving idiots, then consider it a good lesson on prejudice.

Ouden
27th April 07, 09:37 PM
Check yourself right there, 'friend'. I'm no where near the opposite end of the spectrum from you. I have alot of ideas that the PC left would call "eurocentric", and am pretty disgusted with the way the extremes on both ends treat race.

Its just that being disgusted with Nazis is pretty fucking mainstream.

Opposite side of the spectrum. You staunchly "anti-Nazi" me staunchly "pro-Nazi." Would that not be opposite sides?




Damn straight, because its totally parrallel.


Except for the fact that it's not.



Yes, and the Duke case is another particularly poignant example. But it pales before all of the historical, genocidal shit that white folks have done. Really.

You're right, it was awful of us to bring civilization, medicine, knowledge, etc. to people's that obviously hadn't evolved enough to handle it yet. I definitely agree with you on that front.

And for my serious point, Whites are far from the only people to do historical, genocidal shit. We were just advanced enough to do it more places. If you don't think the Arabs, Mongols, or Africans would have slaughtered every fucking Indian on the planet for America if they had the means you're fooling yourself.



That doesn't make it okay - in fact its often so egregious these days that it demands frank discussion if our culture is going to move forward on race issues.


I agree. Two wrongs don't make a right. Unfortunately I've come to believe that it will never be reconciled through discussion, and was thus part of my basis for moving onto White Nationalism in the first place.


Victimology does not speak well of the strength of any 'race'.

Unless you're Jewish and own the media, then it works out great.



Whatever. You are repping for Ol' One Nut now, and if you don't like being lumped in with more deserving idiots, then consider it a good lesson on prejudice.

I was clarifying, not saying I give a shit about whether you lump me in with the National Socialists or not. In fact I'd rather be lumped in with them than most people.

Zendetta
28th April 07, 02:21 PM
Opposite side of the spectrum. You staunchly "anti-Nazi" me staunchly "pro-Nazi." Would that not be opposite sides?

False dichotomy. Think 'mainstream' vs 'radical fringe', if that helps.


Except for the fact that it's not.

It is: virtually simultaneous coverage of black and white Katrina survivors doing exactly the same thing, with no deeper context given or explored, portrayed as blatantly criminal in one case and virtually heroic in the other.


You're right, it was awful of us to bring civilization, medicine, knowledge, etc. to people's that obviously hadn't evolved enough to handle it yet. I definitely agree with you on that front.

"Bring" is a terribly inaccurate term. Forced by violence and compelled by the destruction of traditional lifeways is more like it. Again, I have some eurocentric notions myself, but ignoring the brutality that accompanies colonization isn't among them. THere are many good things that have come out of 'western culture' to be sure, but you are being dishonest.


Whites are far from the only people to do historical, genocidal shit. We were just advanced enough to do it more places. If you don't think the Arabs, Mongols, or Africans would have slaughtered every fucking Indian on the planet for America if they had the means you're fooling yourself.

You are fooling yourself if you think I don't know this. Racism, brutality, and selfish greed are no more the sole province of white europeans than higher culture and respect for human life are.

I'll even throw you this bone: the British Empire did more to end slavery (a universal insitution since before recorded history) worldwide than any other group, ever.



I agree. Two wrongs don't make a right. Unfortunately I've come to believe that it will never be reconciled through discussion, and was thus part of my basis for moving onto White Nationalism in the first place.

THus my use of the term "radical fringe".


Unless you're Jewish and own the media, then it works out great.

LOL.

frumpleswift
28th April 07, 05:04 PM
Racism is stupid in any form because it is based on subjective standards and not objective standards.

I have a good friend who I always thought of as white (because he is), who grew up in a town where he was not white enough...being eastern european. People always thought he was jewish because he didn't look like everyone else and his dad was an accountant, but he's a staunch roman catholic.

Living in DC one of his neighbors assumed he was a very very fair skinned black...because he was the only white guy living in the area, and he happens to tan.

Yet, when I first met him there was no question in my mind that he was white.

My Sister, who is adopted Korean, is culturally more white than me. She is a meat and potatos girl who watches football on weekends, loves apple pie, etc.

And the technology/society card is idiotic considering the technological dominance of Japan, Korea, and Taiwan, and the rapidly growing wealth and technological power in India, Indonesia, Dubai, etc.

ICY
28th April 07, 05:05 PM
[email protected] fucking Ouden in the ass on this thread

Ouden
28th April 07, 06:07 PM
[email protected] fucking Ouden in the ass on this thread

Have a link? I'd be interested in seeing that.

ICY
28th April 07, 07:05 PM
Your arguements are pathetic and ridiculous. His are reasonable. That's a textual assfucking.

Shawarma
28th April 07, 07:05 PM
Actually, Ouden is coming out of this looking the classier guy. Shame that the nazis generally win by default on this board.

ICY
28th April 07, 07:24 PM
[email protected] trying to troll with t3h r34L Nazi

DerAuslander108
4th May 07, 12:13 PM
I am ten times the Nazi any of you pathetic mutts will ever be.

MaverickZ
4th May 07, 12:39 PM
I am ten times the Nazi any of you pathetic mutts will ever be.
I can attest to that. He tried to gas me just last week.

DerAuslander108
4th May 07, 02:03 PM
No, that was the week before.

Last week I tried to get you to dance with t3h AzN w0m3nz.

MaverickZ
4th May 07, 02:07 PM
No, that was the week before.

Last week I tried to get you to dance with t3h AzN w0m3nz.
Oh right, forcing your immoral nazi beliefs on me. Heathen.

DerAuslander108
4th May 07, 02:24 PM
You just can't get over the fact that you're not really the Chosen Race, brew.

MaverickZ
4th May 07, 02:32 PM
You just can't get over the fact that you're not really the Chosen Race, brew.
Egg.

DerAuslander108
4th May 07, 03:04 PM
Egg.

Don't you have an oven to get in?

ergo
6th May 07, 11:47 AM
Unfortunately racism will always exist because it is a social construct based on primitive fears of "the other." And you can always find reasons to divide people.
You have a very simplistic and naive view of racism/"racism."

nihilist
6th May 07, 11:57 AM
You have a very simplistic and naive view of racism/"racism."

Please, elaborate.

ergo
6th May 07, 12:36 PM
Please, elaborate.
These days almost every case of "racism" is not actually racism at all, and certainly not based on something as ridiculous as "fear of the other." The most fervent opponents of real and imagined racism are actually the ones who always turn everything into a race issue (suddenly a discussion about Islamic culture or immigration is about racial purity and imminent genocide). They manufacture racism because they need it to feel morally superior to everyone else.

"Racism" is a very complex subject that can't be simplified to "well they hate colored people because they fear The Other" or some other cliche. Most of the supposed racism perpetrated by white people is a figment of the liberal/leftist imagination.

Suppose there's a white person who dislikes Somali immigrants. He has had nothing but bad experiences with them, and has no reason whatsoever to like them as a group. He doesn't like them because their conduct is bad. But Somalis are Victims and white people are Oppressors, so regardless of what the situation is the Oppressor is guilty of racism and the Victim is guilty of nothing. Victims are not responsible for their own behavior, not that they ever even do anything bad anyway. No, this person can't possibly dislike the Somalis because of their behavior, he must be a white supremacist who is plotting to genocide them all because they are members of an inferior race. Or maybe he fears The Other (but is simultaneously not afraid of German or Chinese immigrants, for some inexplicably mystifying reason). That must be the explanation.

That's one way to view the situation. The leftist/liberal mindset is such a maze of insanity that it's hard to determine what really makes them tick.

nihilist
6th May 07, 01:00 PM
The reason racism exists and the reasons why it can be used as a propaganda/political tool is because it plays on people's fears and prejudices.

While the circumstances and cases of racism/"racism" may be very different, the root cause for why it works is not complex.

BTW, disliking someone because of ther actions is not racism.

ergo
6th May 07, 01:05 PM
BTW, disliking someone because of ther actions is not racism.
It is in today's PC world.

nihilist
6th May 07, 01:12 PM
That's because the world is chock full of dipshits with agendas.

ergo
6th May 07, 01:50 PM
No, the attitude is widespread among ordinary people with no agendas. They don't even think about it.

frumpleswift
6th May 07, 02:45 PM
It is in today's PC world.


These days almost every case of "racism" is not actually racism at all, and certainly not based on something as ridiculous as "fear of the other." The most fervent opponents of real and imagined racism are actually the ones who always turn everything into a race issue (suddenly a discussion about Islamic culture or immigration is about racial purity and imminent genocide). They manufacture racism because they need it to feel morally superior to everyone else.

Stop trying to foist your agendas on me. When I say "racism" I mean "my race is better than your race." I mean neo-nazis, social-darwinism, racial genocide, etc.

I am not talking about politically correct overly sensitive hipy bullshit, not am I talking about prejudice and cultural misunderstanding.


Suppose there's a white person who dislikes Somali immigrants. He has had nothing but bad experiences with them, and has no reason whatsoever to like them as a group. He doesn't like them because their conduct is bad. But Somalis are Victims and white people are Oppressors, so regardless of what the situation is the Oppressor is guilty of racism and the Victim is guilty of nothing.

You are trying to pigenhole this conversation into your own simplistic black and white view of "leftist" propaganda.

This whole victim/opressor dichotomy is a contrivance that you (and only you) use to oversimplify reality.

A white person who dislikes all Somali immigrants may have prejudices against Somalis that arise out of cultural misundestanding. He/She may just dislike immigraiton. Maybe he/she doesn't even dislike all Somalis, just the jerks he/she has encountered. None of this makes the person in question a racist, and you are the only person spewing this victim/opressor crap.


No, this person can't possibly dislike the Somalis because of their behavior, he must be a white supremacist who is plotting to genocide them all because they are members of an inferior race.

Again, where the hell did you come up with this strawman argument?

My point with the concept of "the Other" is that even if you take away all obvious external differences between people (color, eye-shape, etc.) society will still find a way to divide itself and define other groups that are viewed with suspicion or even outright hatred for being different. If everyone were blond-haired blue-eyed aryan gods, they would still find ways to subdivide each other, and from this subdivision racial hatreds would arise.

None of this has anything to do with a political agenda, liberal or otherwise, it is just bloody human nature. Actually it is more primitive than that, it is primate nature. Chimps in the wild will hunt kill and eat rival Chimps tribes for getting in their way. We, as humans, just take this behavior to a whole new level.


That's because the world is chock full of dipshits with agendas.

Like ergo?

Oh and ergo, before you sum could you at least make the attempt to cogito?

ergo
6th May 07, 03:00 PM
Stop trying to foist your agendas on me.
Uh, I don't have any agendas.


When I say "racism" I mean "my race is better than your race." I mean neo-nazis, social-darwinism, racial genocide, etc.
Few people share your definition of racism, but if by racism you mean that "my race is better than your race," how is it based on fear of the other? Isn't it a simple case of racial supremacism then?


You are trying to pigenhole this conversation into your own simplistic black and white view of "leftist" propaganda.
I'm just pointing out what liberal/leftist type of people think. It is what it is.


This whole victim/opressor dichotomy is a contrivance that you (and only you) use to oversimplify reality.
I don't use it, other people do. I was talking about what other people believe. Did I not make it obvious enough?


A white person who dislikes all Somali immigrants may have prejudices against Somalis that arise out of cultural misundestanding. He/She may just dislike immigraiton. Maybe he/she doesn't even dislike all Somalis, just the jerks he/she has encountered. None of this makes the person in question a racist, and you are the only person spewing this victim/opressor crap.
Ok, whatever you say.


Again, where the hell did you come up with this strawman argument?
What strawman? I'm just trying to explain how some people think.

frumpleswift
6th May 07, 03:21 PM
I'm just pointing out what liberal/leftist type of people think. It is what it is.

YOUR view of what they think



I don't use it, other people do. I was talking about what other people believe. Did I not make it obvious enough?

Let me make this clearer for you...you have YOUR interpretation of what other people may think. That does not mean that it is ACTUALLY what they think.




What strawman? I'm just trying to explain how some people think.

Here is a hint for you. Try to clarify what you think, before you presume to explain what other people think.

ergo
6th May 07, 06:16 PM
YOUR view of what they think
No, I believe I have a pretty good grasp on their thinking.


Let me make this clearer for you...you have YOUR interpretation of what other people may think. That does not mean that it is ACTUALLY what they think.
The next time someone questions my views, can I just refute them with "hey man, you don't really know what I'm thinking"?


Here is a hint for you. Try to clarify what you think, before you presume to explain what other people think.
What clarification do you need?

frumpleswift
6th May 07, 06:39 PM
No, I believe I have a pretty good grasp on their thinking.

Obviously you think so. Sad really. Irrelevant as well.


The next time someone questions my views, can I just refute them with "hey man, you don't really know what I'm thinking"?

The next time someone presents an incorrect and ignorant representation of your views as fact, without even trying to site corraborating sources, then proceeds to imply a judgement against you based on this misrepresentation, then sure, feel free.

ergo
6th May 07, 07:15 PM
Obviously you think so. Sad really.
Whatever.


Irrelevant as well.
So suddenly it's irrelevant whether or not I understand their thinking. If that's the case, why did you start complaining about it in the first place?


The next time someone presents an incorrect and ignorant representation of your views as fact, without even trying to site corraborating sources, then proceeds to imply a judgement against you based on this misrepresentation, then sure, feel free.
"Your views."

You speak for all leftists/liberals I've ever talked to? Did they elect you as their leader or something?

bob
7th May 07, 05:34 AM
frump has now left the building, realising he's picked an unwinnable argument. That is, he's picked an argument with a teenager.

Shawarma
7th May 07, 07:16 AM
I suggest the remainder of the discussion be resolved by use of insulting image macros such as:
http://www.trephination.net/gallery/macros/homo-banderas.jpg

ergo
7th May 07, 07:39 AM
frump has now left the building, realising he's picked an unwinnable argument. That is, he's picked an argument with a teenager.
I'm afraid I'm not a teenager, so frump must have been arguing with an imaginary person.

nihilist
7th May 07, 08:04 AM
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/1426/ist2706109jumpthesharksdk0.jpg

bob
7th May 07, 03:31 PM
I'm afraid I'm not a teenager, so frump must have been arguing with an imaginary person.

Whatever.

ergo
7th May 07, 03:34 PM
Whatever.
Either I am a teenager or he was arguing with an imaginary person. Since the first option is impossible the second one must be true.

Ouden
2nd June 07, 10:09 AM
Been busy at work, but did anyone ever get me that link of that ownage of me I've been hearing so much about?