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Steve
17th January 07, 05:20 AM
THUD: HBO HAS A FANTASY OF ICE AND FIRE
01.17.07
By Devin Faraci
Contributing sources: Variety

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/forstevee/Image_a6Kovn.jpgIf you could get whiplash by being surprised about an article in the trades, I’d be wearing a neck brace right now. That’s how shocked I was to learn that HBO has acquired George RR Martin’s fantasy novel series, A Song of Ice and Fire, for a TV series – one that will be executive produced and written by David Benioff, one of my favorite modern writers.

If you only know Benioff from Troy, you’re missing out – his novel 25th Hour, which he adapted for Spike Lee, is brilliant, and his short story collection, When the Nines Roll Over, is terrific as well. But he’s been mostly focusing on Hollywood work, including an adaptation of Hemingway’s For Whom the Bell Tolls. A Song of Fire and Ice would be a major move for Benioff, who would be executive producing and writing every episode of every season (along with DB Weiss, whose only credit is the Halo script, but who wrote a novel called Lucky Wander Boy), except for one that will be scripted by George RR Martin himself.

Each book in the seven volume series (there are only five available now) will be one season of the show, starting with 1996's A Game of Thrones. "They tried for 50 years to make 'Lord of the Rings' as one movie before Peter Jackson found success making three," Martin said. "My books are bigger and more complicated, and would require 18 movies. Otherwise, you'd have to choose one or two characters."

I haven’t read the books (I guess now I’ll have to. Dammit. I hate reading this fantasy stuff, but it'll kill time on my flight to London), but Variety says that the Fire and Ice novels “eschewed Tolkien's good-vs.-evil theme in favor of flawed characters from seven noble families.The book has a decidedly adult bent, with sex and violence comparable to series like ‘Rome’ and ‘Deadwood.’” That’s good news at least.

This comes on the heels of HBO announcing they would do a series based on Preacher, a beloved Vertigo comic book that is profane, violent and usually blasphemous. Besides inherent geek appeal, both of these series have a level of ambition to them – Preacher is being sold as five seasons long while A Song of Ice and Fire would last seven. It’s interesting to see that level of ambition when HBO is all too happy to cancel shows like Rome and Deadwood very early on, even when they’re popular. Of course Preacher and A Song of Fire and Ice would have an almost guaranteed afterlife on DVD, and unlike Deadwood, the network would own these properties, meaning they make all the DVD money.

Here’s the sticking point: Rome was cancelled before the second season even started because of the series’ massive cost – the first season weighed in at 100 million dollars. I don’t know how an epic set in a fantasy world with dragons and ice monsters could be much cheaper, but the scope of the series was not a secret from HBO. There’s no word on when the show might begin production, let alone start airing. The book series is projected to end in 2011.

I do hope at some point Benioff is taking time to work on another novel. I really have enjoyed his print work, and while I wish him the best success in Hollywood, it would be great to know that he was also sticking with literature.

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I'm reading the series right now. Would be awesome to see it on TV, but I've been saying the same thing about Stephen King's Dark Tower series for ages.

Link. (http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=thud&id=8544)

Slindsay
17th January 07, 09:37 AM
Coolness, the ice and fire books are great although I'll be interested to see how they handle all the incest :D

Liffguard
17th January 07, 11:39 AM
Incest, they could probably pull off. Child murdering, they could probably pull off. However, child murder and incest at the same time, could be tricky.

Also, when (if?) they cast Brienne, I hope they get someone who is genuinely ugly and not just "TV ugly."

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 12:35 PM
*Begins to masturbate uncontrollablely.*

frumpleswift
17th January 07, 12:35 PM
George R.R. Martin hopefully has kept a large amount of creative control.

Damnit I may need to actually get HBO now.

And as far as what they could get away with... rape after rape after rape...including child rape? I mean Gregor Clegane isn't exactly TV friendly.

Stick
17th January 07, 01:12 PM
I'm about halfway through the first book at Jagged's recommendation- he's been pestering me to read it for years- and about a hundered pages ago I went and bought the next book so I have a steady stream of good reading.

I have to say I like this guy's style a lot more than Tolkien's.... I mean these are actually characters, that and they aren't written with the stiff sensibility of an early twentieth century Englishman.

Between this and Preacher I may have to actually pay for HBO.... cause otherwise that's a lot of downloading.

CASTING!

Jaime Lannister = James Marsters
Tyrrion Lannister = uh.... a dwarf?
Eddard Stark =
Catelyn Stark = Julianne Moore
Robert t3h King = Sean Bean

Ya know what, I can't fucking do this- this is only the first book I'm on, many of these folks will die, and many of the main characters will grow up and need to be recast- I have no idea yet who would be best for what-

Oooo, hey, the guy what plays Titus Pullo on Rome should be the Hound!

Right, anyways...

frumpleswift
17th January 07, 02:09 PM
Martin has an excellent style. His characterizations are simply beautiful.

Just wait until you get further into the books, and he starts making you feel sympathetic towards Jamie and absolutely loving Tyrion.

Oh, and the Red Wedding...you should basically try and keep a count of the number of times you hurl the book across the room cursing Martin's name.

There are far too many characters to do cast picks...but I think Brian Blessed, Patrick Stewart, James McAvoy, Alec Newman, and essentially anyone who has been in Excalibur, a Kenneth Branagh piece, or the Dune/Children of Dune miniseries could work.

Edit:

I think Brian Blessed would make a better Robert. He has the large English Henry VIII vibe.

Stick
17th January 07, 02:56 PM
Well, I'm sure there's a part for Sean Bean in there somewhere.

frumpleswift
17th January 07, 03:00 PM
Well, I'm sure there's a part for Sean Bean in there somewhere.

Many times many. He could make a good Red Viper, any of the Northmen (though distinctly the Greatjon's son, one of the Kingsguard.

He could even pull off a good Jamie Lannister.

I think Patrick Stewart could make a great Stannis. It is harder to find someone for the Spider and Littlefinger.

Shawarma
17th January 07, 03:09 PM
Incest, they could probably pull off. Child murdering, they could probably pull off. However, child murder and incest at the same time, could be tricky.


*Begins to masturbate uncontrollablely.*

I'm a bit worried about you, Ahmed.

Question!
17th January 07, 03:43 PM
Another good thing about the books is that the fantasy aspect (magic, dragons, etc.) is not the main emphasis like many other fantasy novels but rather just an extension of some of the characters.

As to the sexual content, IIRC a good part of it involved decidedly underage characters so I wonder how HBO would pull that off.

Shawarma
17th January 07, 03:53 PM
I don't know of these novels, but the way you describe them makes them sound like a bad day in Alabama. I think I'll pass.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:03 PM
THese novels are ver very good.


Just horribly depressing however.

Stick
17th January 07, 04:17 PM
Many times many. He could make a good Red Viper, any of the Northmen (though distinctly the Greatjon's son, one of the Kingsguard.

He could even pull off a good Jamie Lannister.

I think Patrick Stewart could make a great Stannis. It is harder to find someone for the Spider and Littlefinger.


Actually I think I've got a perfect fit for the Spider: Ian McShane (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0574534/), best known as Al Swearengen of Deadwood.

As for Littlefinger: James Callis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0130536/), best known as Dr. Gaius Baltar of Battlestar Galactica.

And while I'm thinking of BSG, a good fit for Eddard Stark might be Jamie Bamber (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051397/), aka Apollo.

Ack, editing again, the casting is finally starting to hit home I think- Adam Baldwin (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000284/), aka Jayne from Firefly, for the Hound.

For Lyssa Arryn, Catelyn's sister, Claudia Christian (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0160004/) from Babylon 5.

For the Knight of Flowers- I've only ever seen him in the Hand's Toruney so far, for all I know that was his one appearance, he was young, but if he apperas later on he'll naturally be older- so maybe someone with a bit of a baby face for him- Sean Maher (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0536883/), Simon from Firefly.

Anywho, just some ideas.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:24 PM
What about the kids?

I dont think real child actors could play them, considering what happens to them in the books.

Any ideas?

Stick
17th January 07, 04:33 PM
They could, Rome got away with it with Max Pirkis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1263986/) playing Gauis Octavian and he was born in 1989.

I imagine artistic liscense can be taken with some of the scenes; just because Martian wrote "and then he thrust into her wetness" or something to that effect, doesn't mean you actually have to see it in full technicolor on some sort of elaborate internal camera system.

Oh,a nd as long as I've got the imdb page for Rome up; Kevin McKidd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571727/) should be in there somewhere, that guy's fucking great.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:34 PM
Hahahaha!

Question!
17th January 07, 04:34 PM
What about Tyrion? And the Hound?

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:37 PM
The dude who played the midget in Carneval could pull of Tyrion.

And the hound? They just need a badass looking guy with a some burn make up.

Stick
17th January 07, 04:37 PM
Read what I write.


Ack, editing again, the casting is finally starting to hit home I think- Adam Baldwin (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000284/), aka Jayne from Firefly, for the Hound.

Tyrion is harder, the only dwarf/midget actors I can think of off hand are Warwick Davis- old- and Vern Troyer- annoying- frankly I think they'll just have to find some unknown character actor for him.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:42 PM
If they get an ''unknown'' actor, i hope they choose wisely.


Tyrion is one of the most complex charecters(more complex as you read on). They have to get a really GOOD midget.

Stick
17th January 07, 04:47 PM
Perhaps they could go the LotR route and cast some one normal sized, do some make-up for the deformity and all, and digitally shrink his ass.

Steve
17th January 07, 04:50 PM
I forgot to mention that I already have HBO.

Soon it will finally be worth it.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:51 PM
Who will play Dany?

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:52 PM
She better be hot, though in later books Dany starts to annoy the shit out of me.

But thats just me.

Stick
17th January 07, 04:55 PM
Hayden Panettiere. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0659363/)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/tenshirisu/hayden_panettiere_13.jpg

edit: better picture.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 04:57 PM
Good call, though i always pictured Dany with straight hair, but thats just me.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 05:08 PM
You know...Kristen Bell may be able to pull off Cersei despite being too young.


EDIT:

Suggestion just for you Dai.

Question!
17th January 07, 05:13 PM
I don't know, didn't Dany have silver hair in the books? For some reason, Hayden just doesn't seem the part.

Stick
17th January 07, 05:16 PM
Thank you Ahmed.

Let's see, Bell's 25 or 26- in the first book her oldest son is, what 15? Yeah, a might young

Guess I need to read more, I'm sure there are other parts she'd be great for.

That's another thing, a lot of these characters are going to grow up on the series, pressumably faster than any actor they get to play them- several roles may need to be recast.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 05:23 PM
Thank you Ahmed.

Let's see, Bell's 25 or 26- in the first book her oldest son is, what 15? Yeah, a might young

Guess I need to read more, I'm sure there are other parts she'd be great for.

That's another thing, a lot of these characters are going to grow up on the series, pressumably faster than any actor they get to play them- several roles may need to be recast.

Cersei:
I was just joking mostly. Still, a fun thought to play with. I have never seen Bell play a really really bitch role. Though she seems talented enough to be able to do it.



Kids:
These charecters grow up psychologically, but chronologically they age normally, there isn't much of anything that goes something like:

Five years later............

Nope, nothing like that. So far, it seems that the book is pacing it self with no gaps.


HOWEVER: Martin wanted a five year gap in the storyline between the third and fourth book, but could not do it for various reasons.



We could see that in the series.

Besides, if they did it exactly like the books, the series would not be workable.

So yeah, i can see alot of recasting.

Good point Dai.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 05:27 PM
I don't know, didn't Dany have silver hair in the books? For some reason, Hayden just doesn't seem the part.

Actually i can see her pulling it off if they get her to dye her hair silver and have Violet contact lenses.


She has the ability to put on a look of extreme innocence for when a thirteen year old (or is it fourteen?)Dany first meets up with the Dotharki.

But her natural age is sixteen, so by the time they get to the third and fourth book in the series, she already looks the right age Dany is supposed to be.

frumpleswift
17th January 07, 05:40 PM
Claudia Christen could never be Lysa Arryn, she is too strong.

She could, however, make a great Melisandre.

Dai, before you go making any more character suggestions you need to finish reading the books.

That's right, get your lazy ass off of the computer, and go read some Martin.

JimmyTheHutt
18th January 07, 01:06 AM
Claudia Christen could never be Lysa Arryn, she is too strong.

She could, however, make a great Melisandre.

Dai, before you go making any more character suggestions you need to finish reading the books.

That's right, get your lazy ass off of the computer, and go read some Martin.

Claudia Christen, while amazing, could not carry medieval, IMHO. If she can, I say she should Cat Stark.

And you are right about Dai. He needs to hurry THE FUCK UP and finish this stuff. Then he can experience true suffering with the rest of us waiting for Book 5.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Stick
18th January 07, 01:27 AM
I think I'll take my time.

AAAhmed46
18th January 07, 01:31 AM
I dont understand how they plan to do five seasons of SoIaF.


One book per season? A chapter an episode?

Stick
18th January 07, 01:37 AM
One book per season, it kind of says so right there in the article.

frumpleswift
18th January 07, 11:53 AM
Claudia Christen, while amazing, could not carry medieval, IMHO. If she can, I say she should Cat Stark.

And you are right about Dai. He needs to hurry THE FUCK UP and finish this stuff. Then he can experience true suffering with the rest of us waiting for Book 5.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

More to the point Claudia Christen cannot play a vapid, crazy, frumpy, fat, middle-aged housfrau.

I think she could play medieval quite well. If she were a few years older she could do a nice Maege Mormont

JimmyTheHutt
19th January 07, 12:05 AM
I think I'll take my time.

You know, sometimes you are just no fun.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

JimmyTheHutt
19th January 07, 12:07 AM
More to the point Claudia Christen cannot play a vapid, crazy, frumpy, fat, middle-aged housfrau.

I think she could play medieval quite well. If she were a few years older she could do a nice Maege Mormont

That could work.

Who would you pick to play Tywin Lannister?

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

frumpleswift
19th January 07, 12:20 AM
That could work.

Who would you pick to play Tywin Lannister?

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Weirdly enough I think Patrick Stewart could pull that off. You could also perhaps use Michael Ironside. It depends on just how you want to interpret him.

I also vote for Morena Baccarin as Arienne Martel, as long as they leave in all the steamy sex scenes.

AAAhmed46
19th January 07, 03:14 AM
Too old, and not burly looking enough.

Remember, Tywin is very fit and golden.

Liffguard
19th January 07, 05:41 AM
Oh, by the way, Chris Walken for Roose Bolton and Cillian Murphy for Ramsay Snow.

AAAhmed46
19th January 07, 05:49 AM
OH Roose, Roose, Roose..........

JimmyTheHutt
20th January 07, 11:36 AM
Too old, and not burly looking enough.

Remember, Tywin is very fit and golden.

Actually, Tywin shaves his head. He carries himself through force of will, not physical intimidation. Patrick Stewart might be a good choice. If only we could bring back Peter O'Toole from "The Lion in Winter". That would be perfect.

Another good pick for Tywin might be Anthony Hopkins.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Shawarma
20th January 07, 02:22 PM
I notice a trend on sociocide: Whenever there is a "Who should play Character X in this movie/TV series", Patrick Stewart inevitably comes up as one of the first choices. Funny, I'd never heard of the man before he started doing those X-Men movies.

Stick
20th January 07, 04:14 PM
....

Captain. Jean. Luc. Picard.

You never saw even one episode of ST: TNG? Maybe the old Dune movie from the 80's?

Wow.

Question!
20th January 07, 04:15 PM
I notice a trend on sociocide: Whenever there is a "Who should play Character X in this movie/TV series", Patrick Stewart inevitably comes up as one of the first choices. Funny, I'd never heard of the man before he started doing those X-Men movies.

Watch out for the Star Trek geeks!

Steve
20th January 07, 04:41 PM
I notice a trend on sociocide: Whenever there is a "Who should play Character X in this movie/TV series", Patrick Stewart inevitably comes up as one of the first choices. Funny, I'd never heard of the man before he started doing those X-Men movies.

You are British, right?

If not, jolly good job of seeming that way.

AAAhmed46
20th January 07, 04:53 PM
I have yet to read a series as intense as SoIaF.

Someone correct me..........(i need to read something equally cool inbetween waiting for the next book to come out)

Steve
20th January 07, 04:58 PM
Read The Book of the New Sun, by Gene Wolfe.

AAAhmed46
20th January 07, 05:04 PM
Read The Book of the New Sun, by Gene Wolfe.

Single novel or trilogy?

Steve
20th January 07, 05:24 PM
It's actually 4 books.


Recently voted the greatest fantasy of all time, after The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, Gene Wolfe's The Book of the New Sun is an extraordinary epic, set a million years in the future, on an Earth transformed in mysterious and wondrous ways, in a time when our present culture is no longer even a memory. Severian, the central character, is a torturer, exiled from his guild after falling in love with one of his victims, and journeying to the distant city of Thrax, armed with his ancient executioner's sword, Terminus Est.

http://www.amazon.com/Book-New-Sun-Fantasy-Masterworks/dp/1857989775/sr=8-1/qid=1169331753/ref=pd_bbs_1/105-8187442-1083648?ie=UTF8&s=books

With more after that.

AAAhmed46
20th January 07, 05:41 PM
Thanks Steve.



On kristen Bell:



I may have said Cersei but that was half joking.


Who she would REALLY be good at playing would be Val(she comes in book three and four) the wildling princess.

Or Mance Raydars wife.

Shawarma
20th January 07, 06:45 PM
....

Captain. Jean. Luc. Picard.

You never saw even one episode of ST: TNG? Maybe the old Dune movie from the 80's?

Wow.
I don't watch much TV. I always knew that there was a TV series named Star Trek with a bunch of guys flying around in spaceships with a bald dude as their leader. I later found out that his name was Captain Picard (namely after seeing a parody where he was named Captain DickHard and wondering what the joke was)
I then found out that Dr. Xavier from X-Men was also Picard after asking who that bald dude in the wheelchair was and being met with the same reaction as yours.

I often feel left out of the geekness of this board.

Stick
20th January 07, 07:01 PM
Thanks Steve.

On kristen Bell:

I may have said Cersei but that was half joking.

Who she would REALLY be good at playing would be Val(she comes in book three and four) the wildling princess.

Or Mance Raydars wife.


I'll keep reading, see where she fits.

No, she should not be Cersei.

AAAhmed46
20th January 07, 07:08 PM
I'll keep reading, see where she fits.

No, she should not be Cersei.


Yeah, not her style.

Cersei is too....bitch.

And the way i always pictured her was a busty blond woman in her mid thirties with a deep, feminine voice.

Bell just isn't those things.

Artful Dentures
20th January 07, 10:38 PM
Very good books but they only pass 2 out of my 3 points for excellentisim

1- Will I spend the money on hard cover - YES
2- - Will I stop what ever I am doing and each new one ignoring, family, friends and work - Yes
3- Will I re- read the series several times.

Here it falls apart I have yet to reread any of the books due to all the depressing shit that happens.

So it just falls short on my list of amazing fantasy.

Jagged
20th January 07, 11:31 PM
Read The Book of the New Sun, by Gene Wolfe.

Maybe. I mean it was good but it's complety different from ASOIF. I will agree that it's pretty deep but it seems that people either really like it or can't finish the first book. There just isn't really much middle gournd. Also to really get the full thing and understand it all you have to read it more then once. If your looking for a light fantasy novel I would advise against it otherwise give it a shot.


I think they should use real wolves for the direwolves and then digitally enlarge them later on. You may also have to enlarge whoever plays The Mountain as he is supposed to be about 7'8 and built like a brick shithouse.

I dont' see this happening before fall 2009 if at all but I'm still really excited about it.

Also remember Jamie is about 6 2 so he can't be too short. I think the person Dia linked could work great for Dany.

frumpleswift
21st January 07, 12:35 AM
Very good books but they only pass 2 out of my 3 points for excellentisim

1- Will I spend the money on hard cover - YES
2- - Will I stop what ever I am doing and each new one ignoring, family, friends and work - Yes
3- Will I re- read the series several times.

Here it falls apart I have yet to reread any of the books due to all the depressing shit that happens.

So it just falls short on my list of amazing fantasy.

If ASOIAF doesn't make the list of amazing fantasy what possibly could rate?

This is the first fantasy series since Tolkien that I could actually stomach. 99.99% of fantasy is "we're off to kill the dragon and save the world" crap written by pre-pubescent boys trapped in whiny adult male bodies.

Jagged
21st January 07, 12:46 AM
It's nowhere near as depressing as the Prince of Nothingness Trilogy.

AAAhmed46
21st January 07, 01:06 AM
Very good books but they only pass 2 out of my 3 points for excellentisim

1- Will I spend the money on hard cover - YES
2- - Will I stop what ever I am doing and each new one ignoring, family, friends and work - Yes
3- Will I re- read the series several times.

Here it falls apart I have yet to reread any of the books due to all the depressing shit that happens.

So it just falls short on my list of amazing fantasy.


Well, ive re-read the series so meh.

AAAhmed46
21st January 07, 01:09 AM
It's nowhere near as depressing as the Prince of Nothingness Trilogy.


Does it have the same....looseness with it's charecters?

Artful Dentures
21st January 07, 07:36 PM
If ASOIAF doesn't make the list of amazing fantasy what possibly could rate?

This is the first fantasy series since Tolkien that I could actually stomach. 99.99% of fantasy is "we're off to kill the dragon and save the world" crap written by pre-pubescent boys trapped in whiny adult male bodies.

That's very true.

Don't get me wrong I really like the books, and will have to sit down again and see if I can make myself re-read them.

If you want some awsome stuff (that also has lots of horrible stuff) read

Robin Hobbs Assasin Apprentice series - or anything else by her

ALSO

Stephen R. Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series.

My number 2 pick for best Fantasy ever after LOTR

frumpleswift
21st January 07, 11:01 PM
That's very true.

Don't get me wrong I really like the books, and will have to sit down again and see if I can make myself re-read them.

If you want some awsome stuff (that also has lots of horrible stuff) read

Robin Hobbs Assasin Apprentice series - or anything else by her



My wife says the Robin Hobbs books are painfully girly.

I'll look into the covenant books at some point, after I get through my backlog of sci-fi.

Artful Dentures
22nd January 07, 06:58 AM
My wife says the Robin Hobbs books are painfully girly.

.
I am not sure exaclty what that means. She spends a lot of time devloping her characters so you know what they are feeling and care about them so maybe that'[s the girly part, but to me charcaters are more interresting than plot.

Since this is a George R.R. martin thread here's what he says about Robin Hobb


GOLDEN FOOL by Robin Hobb (Bantam Spectra, 2003). I'm a big Robin Hobb fan, as I've confessed before. I think she's doing some of the best stuff in contemporary fantasy... and I'm bloody envious of how fast she writes. GOLDEN FOOL is the second volume in her current "Tawny Man" trilogy. It picks up right where FOOL'S ERRAND left off and never looks back. This one also brings some Bingtown Traders to the Six Duchies, tying Hobb's two previous trilogies (the "Assassin" and "Liveship" series) together in some interesting ways. As ever, it's a page turner, well crafted and full of vivid writing and finely-drawn characters. I'm already looking forward to the next one.
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/reading-archive01.html

I really reccomend them starting with Assassins Apprentice

JimmyTheHutt
22nd January 07, 07:24 PM
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This is the first fantasy series since Tolkien that I could actually stomach. 99.99% of fantasy is "we're off to kill the dragon and save the world" crap written by pre-pubescent boys trapped in whiny adult male bodies.

Or thinly veiled, horribly written female empowerment tripe. My biggest complaint about Fantasy is that its always the same story.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

JimmyTheHutt
22nd January 07, 07:26 PM
I'll look into the covenant books at some point, after I get through my backlog of sci-fi.

The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever are very existential. There is a fair amount of whining, but after the shit the character gets put through, and puts others through, its pretty well deserved. The series also has one of the only villains truly worthy of the name. Lord Foul rules.

However, I heard Donaldson started writing more of them. This angers me. He ended the second series well. I guess he needs cash or something.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

frumpleswift
22nd January 07, 08:47 PM
There is a fair amount of whining, but after the shit the character gets put through, and puts others through, its pretty well deserved. The series also has one of the only villains truly worthy of the name.

If you want a well written series with a somewhat whiny main character, but thoroughly awesome character development and a great "villain" I recommend the Coldfire Trology by C.S. Friedman

Artful Dentures
22nd January 07, 09:26 PM
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever are very existential. There is a fair amount of whining, but after the shit the character gets put through, and puts others through, its pretty well deserved. The series also has one of the only villains truly worthy of the name. Lord Foul rules.

However, I heard Donaldson started writing more of them. This angers me. He ended the second series well. I guess he needs cash or something.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

The new series is good. I don't think he did it for money the guy's too slow a writer for that.

Also his sci-fi GAP series of books is pretty awesome

Artful Dentures
22nd January 07, 09:29 PM
Or thinly veiled, horribly written female empowerment tripe. My biggest complaint about Fantasy is that its always the same story.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

I call it the DnD syndrome wher they feel liek bad DnD modules (last time I played DnD was 22 years ago)

Where the hero - Grober the pig boy becomes a reluctant hero as he valiantly defens his homeland of Horanda against the evil Mucklewaiths.

Blech!!!

JimmyTheHutt
23rd January 07, 12:42 AM
The new series is good. I don't think he did it for money the guy's too slow a writer for that.

Also his sci-fi GAP series of books is pretty awesome

I tried to read some of his other work, but was never able to get into it. I may have to look at the new series, but I really enjoyed the finality of the Second Chronicles. What made both series enjoyable was that it was clearly fantasy but avoided all of the normal cliches that go along with the genre. That, and the fact that Lord Foul was just bad ass from beginning to end.

It's rare to see a competent villain.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

JimmyTheHutt
23rd January 07, 12:44 AM
I call it the DnD syndrome wher they feel liek bad DnD modules (last time I played DnD was 22 years ago)

Where the hero - Grober the pig boy becomes a reluctant hero as he valiantly defens his homeland of Horanda against the evil Mucklewaiths.

Blech!!!

I don't know if that's what I'd call it. I guess I played different D & D games. However, the fantasy genre seems so teenaged emo angst wish fulfillment.

Especially R.A. Salvatore and that goddamned drow.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Liffguard
23rd January 07, 08:40 AM
Two good new fantasy series that just started last year:

The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie. At first glance this is your standard fantasy fare. Wild northmen? Check. Southern desert people who deal in slaves? Check. Ancient order of wizards? Check. Band of unlikely heroes out to save the world? Check. Where abercrombie succeeds is in his characterisation and fluid prose. One character, Sand dan Golkta, is especially compelling. You can't help but like him despite the shit he gets up to.

The Lies Of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch. Very original fantasy. It's set in a Venice-like city state filled with different competing factions. Plot centers around a group of con-artists called the Gentleman Bastards who steal vast fortunes from the rich and not give any of it to the poor. The main character, Locke, gets caught up in a plot involving his crime boss and an emerging rival, and being a crap fighter in all respects, has to use his con-man skills to get out of trouble and take revenge. Definately worth reading.

bad credit
27th January 07, 07:09 PM
Grrr, when the hell is Hollywood gonna make David Gemmel's Legend into a movie? I remember reading that he sold the rights a long time ago. I wonder if him dying last year is gonna change anything. Hell, a lot of his characters would make a good movie, although Druss would probably be the most awesome. Waylander would be cool, too.

Stick
16th March 07, 07:33 PM
<P>We should've posted this sooner.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Here's what Martin had to say about it.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>
<EM>January 18, 2007</EM> <BR></P>
<DIV class=story2>Now it can be told. <I>VARIETY</I> broke the story yesterday morning, and it's all over the web. I have received hundreds of emails since the announcement went public, many of them asking, "Is it true?" Other readers have posted comments and congratulations in reply to my confirmation on my Live Journal. </DIV>
<DIV class=story2>Yes, it's true. Winter is coming to HBO. </DIV>
<P><IMG alt=Thrones src="http://www.georgerrmartin.com/gallery/art/thrones01-t.jpg" align=right> </P>
<DIV class=story2>Home Box Office has acquired an option on the television and film rights to my fantasy series, <I>A Song of Ice and Fire</I>, in hopes of bringing the story to television as an original, ongoing HBO series. We have been working out the details for months, but the deal is finally done and the pieces are in place, so it's official. </DIV>
<DIV class=story2>I won't rehash the details of the announcement in VARIETY. Go <A href="http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117957532.html?categoryid=14&amp;cs=1" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>HERE</FONT></A> and you can read the story for yourself. </DIV>
<DIV class=story2>The executive producers and showrunners on the project will be David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Benioff and Weiss will also be writing the pilot script, and -- assuming that HBO eventually greenlights the series -- most of the episodes as well. This will be the first television project for them, but both have experience in novels as well as feature films. David Benioff is the author of the novel <A href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000IOELOY/ref=ase_georrmar/" target=_blank><I><FONT color=#0000ff>The 25th Hour</FONT></I></A> and the collection <A href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0452286646/ref=ase_georrmar/" target=_blank><I><FONT color=#0000ff>When the Nines Roll Over: and Other Stories</FONT></I></A>. His screenwriting credits include <I>Troy, Stay</I>, and <I>The 25th Hour</I>, and the forthcoming film versions of <I>Wolverine</I> and <I>The Kite Runner</I>. Dan Weiss has written the novel <A href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0452283949/ref=ase_georrmar/" target=_blank><I><FONT color=#0000ff>Lucky Wander Boy</FONT></I></A> and the screen adaptations for the forthcoming films <I>Halo</I>, based on the videogame, and <I>Pattern Recognition</I>, from the William Gibson story. He and Benioff also worked together on the screenplay for <I>Ender's Game</I>, adapting the novel by Orson Scott Card. </DIV>
<P><IMG alt=Kings src="http://www.georgerrmartin.com/gallery/art/kings01-t.jpg" align=left> </P>
<DIV class=story2>I met David and Dan in California last fall, when I was out for LACon, and we discussed the show over a long lunch (the restaurant was packed when we arrived, and completely empty when we left, and the waiters had started setting up for dinner). They impressed the hell out of me, and I'm really looking forward to working with them. They're both bright, passionate, enthusiastic. They know the books inside and out, they <I>get</I> the books, and they're committed to bringing my story to your television screens... not a vaguely similar story with the same title (ala <I>Earthsea</I>, or what passed for same on the Sci-Fi Channel). <I>A Song of Ice and Fire</I> should be in very good hands. </DIV>
<DIV class=story2>As for my own involvement, I'll be scripting one episode per season. I'll also serve as co-executive producer on the show, along with Vince Gerardis and Ralph Vicinanza of Created By, and Guymon Casady of Management 360. I have already had a number of emails asking why I am not writing more of the scripts myself. Three big reasons: <I>A Dance With Dragons, The Winds of Winter, A Dream of Spring</I>. As much as I'd like to be a part of the show on a daily basis, as I once was on <I>The Twilight Zone</I> and <I>Beauty and the Beast</I>, the novels take priority. David Benioff and Dan Weiss are very talented writers, but even they can't adapt a book that hasn't been written. </DIV>
<P><IMG alt=Swords src="http://www.georgerrmartin.com/gallery/art/swords01-t.jpg" align=right> </P>
<DIV class=story2>I am thrilled to be in business with HBO as well. For years now, the very best drama on television has been found on Sunday nights, in HBO's original series. TV does not get much better than <I>The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Big Love, Carnivale, The Wire, Deadwood...</I> and my current favorite addiction, <I>Rome</I>. (If you're not watching the second season right now, you're missing the best show on television). Writing, directing, acting, set design, production values... everything on an HBO show is quality, and that's what I have dreamed of for <I>A Song of Ice and Fire</I>. </DIV>
<DIV class=story2>It was only a month or two after <I>A Game of Thrones</I> was first published in 1996 that I received the first query about film and television rights. Nothing ever came of it. Over the years, as the series grew more popular with every subsequent book, I received a steady stream of such queries from producers, directors, screenwriters, studios, and others in the industry. Nothing ever came of them either. Meanwhile, my readers kept asking if <I>A Song of Ice and Fire</I> would ever be filmed. My answer was always the same. While I was always willing to listen to offers, I did not see how the books could be made into a feature film, or even a trilogy of such films, like <I>Lord of the Rings</I>. The novels were simply too big and too complex, and to make the sort of deep cuts that would be necessary to get them down to feature length would have required losing nine-tenths of the characters and three-quarters of the plot. The only way to dramatize a story that size, I felt, was as a television miniseries (like <I>Roots</I> or <I>Shogun</I>) or, better still, a series of series, with each novel providing a full season's worth of episodes. </DIV>
<P><IMG alt=Crows src="http://www.georgerrmartin.com/gallery/art/crows01-t.jpg" align=left> </P>
<DIV class=story2>That is precisely what HBO intends to do, starting with <I>A Game of Thrones</I>. With twelve hours to devote to each of the novels, rather than the two to three that a feature film would allow, we should be able to present a faithful dramatization of the story that will please both my own readers, and HBO subscribers who have never read a fantasy novel in their lives.</DIV>
<DIV class=story2>
<DIV class=story2>A television series does not spring up full blown overnight, of course. You won't be watching <I>A Game of Thrones</I> on HBO next week, or telling TIVO to record it next month. There's a long and winding road ahead of us, and many pitfalls along the way... but every journey begins with a first step, and who knows? Maybe next year time you'll be seeing Tyrion and Dany and Jon Snow in those HBO promo spots, mixing and mingling with Tony Soprano, Al Swearengen, and Titus Pullo. </DIV>
<DIV class=story2>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=story2>So yeah, Martin loves Rome- Titus Pullo and Lucius Verenus should totally get parts in ASoIaF.</DIV><!-- End Center Column --></DIV>

Steve
16th March 07, 08:39 PM
Awesome, Dai!

I'm still chewing my way through A Storm of Swords, plenty to keep me busy until the show comes out.

Stick
14th April 07, 02:46 AM
So, having read all four books, I thought perhaps it was time for me to re-visit the idea of casting with a better outlook on things.

For the sake of casting I'm going to assume they're willing to fiddle with the ages a little and cast older on the kids- otherwise throw out my casting and assume that all the kids will be played by complete unknowns.

Furthermore, while I'm not going to pull any "George Clooney, Matt Damon, LoL" out of my ass, I'm going to assume that the HBO name and the property will lend certain weight and allow them to cast some substantial names. Though a lot of these names will be drawn from the likes we tend to see in sci-fi fantasy fair.

Hmmm, it's near 4 in the morning, I think I'll get back to this tomorrow....

AND SO IT BEGINS!

Eddard Stark = Jamie Bamber (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051397/), yes, Apollo from BSG. He's 34, which for the society fits for a 14 to even 18 year old eldest son- Rob. We know he can play physical parts, and we know he can play the straight man, the honorable stick in the mud that tells no jokes and tolerates no jackassery.

Catelyn Stark = Molly Parker (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0662504/), from Deadwood. I can really see her in this role, trying to defend her family and just slowly spiraling down as everything falls apart around her. Of an age with Bamber

Rob Stark =

Sansa Stark = meeeeeeh, too young, story dependant upon "flowering", can't think of actresses this age as I don't watch annoying tweener crap

Jon Snow = Haley Joel Osment (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005286/), seriously, Sixth Sense 2 ain't fucking happening, but he can act. Wonder whether he's grown into someone who could pull off such a physical role though....

Robert Baratheon =

Jaimie Lannister = Kevin McKidd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571727/), he's fucking perfect, end of story.

Cersei Lannister =

Tywin Lannister = Patrick Stewart (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001772/), this one is a no brainer.

Danerys Targareon, Danerys Stormborn, Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt (she gets lots of cool names) = Hayden Panettiere (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0659363/), she's 18 now but I don't doubt she can play younger. She fits the bill physically. Her role as Claire on Heroes has shown she can be strong and vulnerable all together, I think she'd be a good choice and it would be a real good role for her early on in her career.

Vysaris Targareon, Dany's older brother, the beggar king = Max Pirkis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1263986/), played the young Octavian in Rome- there is no doubt in my mind this kid can play a sadistic, immature, naive, broken little "king". Though may just as well be cast as Joffry.

Kahl Drogo = Jason Scott Lee (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001462/), easily fits the bill. This man could fucking crush you!

Tyrion Lannister = not gonna try, don't know enough dwarf actors.

Sandor Clegane, The Hound = Ray Stevenson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829032/), aka Titus Pullo of Rome. Big, mean, I think he can play damaged.

Gregor Clegane, The Mountain that Rides = Clancy Brown (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/), come on, the guy that played Kurgan in Highlander, it's fucking perfect. They can digitally increase his size a bit to make him more the mountain though he's already pretty big so it shouldn't be too hard.

Barriston Selmy, Barriston the Bold of the Kingsguard = Michael Ironside (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000461/), he can look fucking old, but he still has that "I will end you" presence.

Brynden Tully, the Blackfish = Timothy Dalton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001096/), yeah, you heard me.

Maester Luwin = Malcom McDowell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000532/), he just always seems to know more than everyone, get a real ene of wisdom from him.

Grand Maester Pycell = David Bamber (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051394/) (no clue on whether he's related to Apollo), played Cicero on Rome, seems to me to be a good fit. Dottering academic.

Lord Mormont, the Old Bear, commander of the watch = Rutger Hauer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000442/), medieval is nothing new to Hauer and I think he'd be fucking awesome with a talking raven perched on his shoulder; bonus he even kind of looks a little like my pick for Jorah.

Varys, The Spider = Bob Hoskins (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001364/) or John Rhys-Davies (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0722636/).

Lyssa Arryn = Amber Benson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/). From the first time I saw her as Tara on Buffy she has always looked moping, sad, frightened, and kind of cracked otu to me- in other words perfect for Lyssa, that bitch (the character, not Ms. Benson).

Jorah Mormont = Sean Bean (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000293/), he's roughyl 3 times the age of whoever they'll get for Dany- he's 48 now. We all know he can play Jora's plight and pull off the required bad asery- the man can intimidate horse lords.

Jaqen H'ghar = James Marsters (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/) feels like a perfect fit for this, smooth, enigmatic, quirky assassin

Joffrey Baratheon = see Max Pirkis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1263986/)

Theon Greyjoy = Kyle Gallner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973177/). If you've watched Veronica Mars you'll know this kid as Cassidy "Beaver" Casablancas, so you know he can play a truly fucked up individual with an attitude problem.

Asha Greyjoy =

Oberyn Martel, The Red Viper =

Doran Martel = Edward James Olmos (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001579/), easily fits the bill for deeply thoughtful and incredibly patient cripppled old prince/lord/whatever he is.

Question!
14th April 07, 03:01 AM
Some nitpicking here:

I'm sorry but I can't see Haley Joel Osment as Jon Snow... he's just too soft?

Jaime Lannister- supposed to be really vain and show offy- Karl Urban is more dark and brooding.

Barriston- Michael Ironside is awesome and all, but he always has that dark cynical Jack Nicholson-esque presence about him... somehow he just doesn't feel right for the role.

Jorah Mormont- Sean Bean. I haven't read the books in a while so my memory is bit hazy, does he die in the books? Because Sean Bean always dies.

Varys- total agreement, especially remembering Unleashed.

Tyrion- I feel maybe Ben Kingsley may be better.

Excellent effort regardless, hopefully this series will materialize soon.

Steve
14th April 07, 03:23 AM
Stick, love your ideas for the cast.

Your 'Ray' for the hound... Made me think of Ray Liotta, too old for the part?

NOTE: haven't read the 4th book yet.

Stick
14th April 07, 11:25 AM
Some nitpicking here:

I'm sorry but I can't see Haley Joel Osment as Jon Snow... he's just too soft?

Yeah, haven't seen him lately, you're probably right though- maybe he could be Joffry and Pirkis could be Snow or Rob... blegh

I think all the kids are gonna end up being unknowns.


Jaime Lannister- supposed to be really vain and show offy- Karl Urban is more dark and brooding.

I completely changed my pick to a much better actor.


Barriston- Michael Ironside is awesome and all, but he always has that dark cynical Jack Nicholson-esque presence about him... somehow he just doesn't feel right for the role.

Hmmm, you have a point.

Let's ressurect Lee Marvin!

OK, now seriously, Donnelly Rhodes (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/), Doc Cottle from Battlestar Galactica, old and gruff, dignified.


Jorah Mormont- Sean Bean. I haven't read the books in a while so my memory is bit hazy, does he die in the books? Because Sean Bean always dies.

He hasn't died yet..... but I have a feeling he probably will.


Varys- total agreement, especially remembering Unleashed.

Yeah, Hoskins can be pretty slimy.


Tyrion- I feel maybe Ben Kingsley may be better.

I assume you meant Tywin, Kingsly or Stewart, either would be great.

frumpleswift
14th April 07, 11:26 AM
Let me see...

Drogo -- The Rock

Arienne Martel -- Morrena Baccarin (yum)

Queen of Thornes -- Judy Dench (no brainer)

Renly -- Orlando Bloom (he can be the pitcher for once)

Stick
14th April 07, 11:33 AM
I'll agree with you on the ladies..... but the Rock and Orlando Bloom? Just no to the Rock, as for Orlando, he's too small for Renly- remember he's supposed to be a near twin to his older brother Robert, that means burly- Bloom could be like the Knight of Flowers or Beric Dondarion, the Lightning Lord.

frumpleswift
14th April 07, 02:44 PM
I'll agree with you on the ladies..... but the Rock and Orlando Bloom? Just no to the Rock, as for Orlando, he's too small for Renly- remember he's supposed to be a near twin to his older brother Robert, that means burly- Bloom could be like the Knight of Flowers or Beric Dondarion, the Lightning Lord.

Lorris is probably a better fit for Orlando, except that he is a bit old for the role. I just was hoping he could actually pitch for once.

What is wrong with the Rock as Drogo? I think he could actually pull it off. He's a large, loud, swarthy man. Just grease him up and give him some nice long greasy braids, and you are good to go.

I still think they need to get Brian Blessed to be Robert Bartheon.

Dakota Blue Richards (The Golden Compass (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/)) looks like she may be able to pull of Arya (though she is already a bit old for the role).

Speaking of the Golden Compass. If you want to read messed up children's books about overthrowing God, I highly recommend the 'His Dark Materials' series.

Question!
14th April 07, 02:44 PM
Say YES to The Rock! (He's cool!)

Say YES to Morena Baccarin! (She's hot!)

Say NO to Orlando Bloom! (Tired of his face!)

Stick
14th April 07, 04:22 PM
First I'm goign to add another option for Ned Stark- my first pick was Jamie Bamber-, Nathan Fillion (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0277213/); the man can take a stoic principaled stand and die with the bet of 'em. Also, maybe Alexis Denisof (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0219206/). ACK, I have to add another (this post is somethign I've been stewing over for like an hour and I've been jumping around), James Purefoy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0700856/), Marc Antony from Rome, guy is fucking briliant.

Robert Baratheon = I've been slaving over this one for like 20 minutes and I can't come up with shit.

Cersei Lannister = this one's hard, I'm sure there's some british actress out there that would serve much better, but the only person I can think of is Andrea Roth (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744776/), on Rescue Me she plays Janet, Tommy's (Dennis Leary) wife.

Asha Greyjoy = Kristen Bell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0068338/), so fucking there. Or, maybe, Lyndsey Marshal (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1203457/) who wass Cleopatra in Rome.

Oberyn Martel, The Red Viper = Lou Diamond Phillips (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001617/), he can pull of the slick swarthy son of a bitch well as well as playing a convincingly skilled and dangerous fighter. I'd buy him using a poison spear to take the mountain down. Or, Alexander Siddig (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0796502/), most famous as Dr. Bashir from DS9, but if you saw Kingdom of Heaven he was the prince that Bloom sparred- that and some BBC stuff I've seen him in has me thinking he'd be great- in fact he's probably a better pick than Phillips now that I think about it.

Yoren, the Nights Watch "recruiter" = Brendan Gleeson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0322407/)

Davos Seaworth, The Onion Knight = Sean Bean would be excellent here as well. For some reason I'm having trouble coming up with more names right now, I wasn't last night, but I am now- Davos shouldn't be hard to cast.

Brienne of Tarh = This will probably go to some theater unknown, and untill last night I had no real suggestion for casting, but I just saw Grindhouse; Zoe Bell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1057928/), if after some acting classes and work it turns out she can the more emotional part- though for the most part Brienne is just sulky, which is not hard. Bonus, Bell can do all her own stunts and fighting which allows for much better fight scenes- less ugly cutting away, longer sequences, more dynamic camera work. While I find her attractive in her way- god damn was she spunky in that movie- she certainly has a face that can be made less than pretty with a good make up department.

Melissandre, The Red Woman = Gillian Anderson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000096/), I think she can pull of the creepy religious mystic sex pot earth mother whore vibe. Bonus, already a red head.

Maester Aemon Targareon of the Night's Watch = assuming he lives long enough Peter O'Toole (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000564/).

Thoros of Myr, The Red Priest = Michael Chiklis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004821/), he can make the switch from swaggering drunken bundle of cheer to fucking serious and depressing no problem.

Beric Dondarion, The Lightning Lord = Another young character, early 20's, I'm gonna go with Sean Maher (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0536883/), Simon from Firefly.

Bronn = Adam Baldwin (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000284/), Jayne from Firefly, Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket. The guy has dark humored, irreverant badass down to an art.

Shae, Tyrion's whore = uh.... see my suggetions for Asha actually, Kriten Bell and Lyndsey Marshall, though honestly this part is easier to cast than Asha- Shae will get more screen time and all, but it's not like she's a difficult character to figure out.

Question!
14th April 07, 04:41 PM
Say YES to Gillian Anderson! Hell Yeah!

Liffguard
14th April 07, 04:56 PM
Antonio Banderas is the Red Viper. That's just how it should be.

Eric Bana for Mance Rayder.

Saskia Reeves for Catelyn Stark.

AAAhmed46
15th April 07, 01:06 AM
Let me see...

Drogo -- The Rock

Arienne Martel -- Morrena Baccarin (yum)

Queen of Thornes -- Judy Dench (no brainer)

Renly -- Orlando Bloom (he can be the pitcher for once)


Can Bloom actually pull it off?

Renly is chiviourious(Yeah spelling is off) and Bloom can pull that off, but he's also a prick, proud, and really gay. He's honorable overall, but has so many flaws.

From what ive seen of bloom(i admit, i haven't seen too much of him) i have yet to see him pull off somone that complex.

I mean in troy, he did Paris, who was handsome and well meaning, but a bit of a pussy. But that whole movie, all the charecters were way way off, none of them had consistant personalities, so maybe thats a bad example.



The rock: Seems like a great choice for it, has the size and experience for fight coreography.

But Drogo has those mustache thingies, i would HATE to see the rock wearing those, he would look like a retard.

kobudo
15th April 07, 02:45 AM
I would like to see Jack Black pull a cameo as Moon Boy.

edit: ...Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and Moon Boy, for all I know.

:D

AAAhmed46
16th April 07, 01:20 AM
I would like to see Jack Black pull a cameo as Moon Boy.

edit: ...Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and Moon Boy, for all I know.

:D


This thread is won.

Stick
16th April 07, 06:59 PM
It would be pretty awesome if the fools were played by good slapstick comedians.

frumpleswift
16th April 07, 07:26 PM
So you are saying tha Jack Black is out?

Steve
10th September 07, 12:13 AM
Bump, any news people?

AAAhmed46
18th September 07, 02:14 AM
Im waiting.

Anyone read the 'wild cadz' series yet?

Aaranar
12th November 08, 03:15 PM
HBO has given the production order.

They will be filming the pilot episode of A GAME OF THRONES.

It's just the pilot so far. They'll need to see that before they decide whether to proceed with a full season's episodes. So let's all hope the pilot will kick serious ass.

It should. David Benioff and Dan Weiss did a terrific job with the script. And yes, all of you can relax, it's very faithful. Dan and David will be the executive producers for the pilot and (we hope) the eventual series.

More details when I have 'em. The news is very fresh. HBO just issued their own press release, which should be up on their website soon, if it's not there already.

Winter is coming to HBO. Hot damn.

Source : http://grrm.livejournal.com/58155.html

Steve
12th November 08, 03:28 PM
Merging with previous thread...

Artful Dentures
12th November 08, 06:11 PM
Maybe by the time this is produced and aired and followed up and another 5 years goes by Martin might just might finish the next book before he dies.

Stick
13th November 08, 07:31 PM
This is the bestest news ever!

Artful Dentures
13th November 08, 07:41 PM
I heard George had a productive day yesterday and wrote 23 words

Stick
13th November 08, 07:53 PM
BWAHAHAHAHA

True.... true...

/sniffle

Aaranar
13th November 08, 08:44 PM
I heard George had a productive day yesterday and wrote 23 words

Yeah, but unfortuntely they were on his blog and about the Giants and the Jets.

fes_fsa
28th May 09, 08:32 PM
some time this year, i think...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/

Artful Dentures
29th May 09, 10:13 AM
Looks like it's still just development but hey


Peter Dinklage ... Tyrion Lannister

Excellent casting of the Station Agent. Dinklage must be shitting himself hoping this gets made cause there can't be a better role for a Small perso right now.

jnp
29th May 09, 10:47 AM
I stopped reading this series after the second book because I wanted to wait until Martin finished it so I could read it all at once. That was in '03 or '04 I think.

Holy cow. I just checked out his website. On his SoIaF update page, he talks about finishing Dance with Dragons by summer 2008, and yet still no book. How the hell are they going to produce an incomplete series when it takes the author almost 5 years per book?

Artful Dentures
29th May 09, 02:52 PM
Well Martin is fat and out of shape, once he keels over they can hire a ghost writer ti finish it

Stick
29th May 09, 10:26 PM
"George R. R. Martin is not your bitch"- Neil Gaiman (http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html)

That said, they have a star and the director set. They have chosen Northern Ireland for filming and have hired a massive crew, begun construction on the equally massive sound stage there, and are activly casting all the other roles- Tyrion's is the only one announced so far.

HBO has ordered the pilot. That first episode will be made.

Unless someone fucks up, I really don't see how this won't get picked up for its first season.

partyboy
19th October 09, 08:40 PM
ha. all the hair colors are f'ed up... all the blonde people are brunette and the redheads are blonde:

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/game-of-thrones-cast-with-photos-.html

but when in the f is the next book coming out?

Judobum
20th October 09, 12:02 AM
Cast looks alright but it's actually been so long since I've read the books I've kind of forgotten who some of the names are.

But Mark Addy as King Robert? Is he gonna do a lot of push ups and go on a diet between then and now? I like him as an actor but King Robert was a monster, hammer wielding, head bashing bad ass... Addy does not really fit that at all.

Artful Dentures
20th October 09, 09:06 AM
Peter Dinklage will be a great Tyrion and Lena Headly is just great PERIOD

Spade: The Real Snake
21st October 09, 03:19 PM
Peter Dinklage will be a great
Thank God that little fucker came along and took some of the burden off Warwick Davis

fes_fsa
22nd October 09, 02:23 AM
But Mark Addy as King Robert? Is he gonna do a lot of push ups and go on a diet between then and now? I like him as an actor but King Robert was a monster, hammer wielding, head bashing bad ass... Addy does not really fit that at all.

really?

i always pictured king robert as just a big fat jolly guy/former jock. i'd have probably picked someone like john goodman to play him, were i the one casting the show.

Steve
22nd October 09, 02:33 AM
I have to agree with fes, he wasn't up to his old days, by any means. Doesn't mean he wasn't still powerful, just that he wasn't the Thor you thought him to be, Judobum.

Judobum
27th October 09, 05:24 PM
It seemed like he wasn't that far removed from winning melees in tourneys but it's been a long time so that may not be right.

I pictured him as more like an ex-Nfller, big guy with a gut but still hard looking. Addy just seems to kind off fluffy looking but we'll see.

AAAhmed46
27th October 09, 06:41 PM
Can't blame him for getting a gut considering who his wife is.

AAAhmed46
11th December 09, 04:28 PM
http://grrm.livejournal.com/

Apparently khal drago's actor is here.

Phrost
11th December 09, 06:48 PM
Legend of the Seeker sucked, for the record.

Artful Dentures
11th December 09, 08:57 PM
I think the correct phrase is sucked great big balls of shit filled ass

Ajamil
12th December 09, 01:18 AM
Oh come on. They were able to master the jumping in slow-mo with a downward swing of the sword whilst explosions fill the background in just 13 scenes...in one episode.

AAAhmed46
12th December 09, 03:14 AM
What the hell are you guys talking aobout?

Artful Dentures
13th December 09, 08:09 PM
What the hell are you guys talking aobout?

Terry Goodkinds Sword of Truth has been made into a pretty shitty TV show. Like Zena and Hercules but not nearly as good

(OK I liked those two shows especially Zena)

Shotgun Christening
14th December 09, 06:51 AM
Terry Goodkinds Sword of Truth has been made into a pretty shitty TV show. Like Zena and Hercules but not nearly as good

(OK I liked those two shows especially Zena)


Has it really? He is a good writer....all except that one where the chick fucks the guy while on her period and then has to suck his cock.
Something about betraying him in her own blood.


GRR Martin needs to finish his goddam series. It left me hanging, AGAIN, after Feast for Crows.