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Stick
16th January 07, 10:16 PM
Thanks to Phrost for bringing this to my attention.

Often enough in our religious arguements here on Sociocide, the religious side of things- mostly Christian- complains that we atheists/agnostics/deists unfairly pick on the Christian faith in particular; in the interest of fair play I bring you this expose on Islam in the UK, particularly those mosques supported by Saudi Arabia.

Part 1
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Part 2
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Part 3
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For the record, Christianity receives so much ire because most of us have to spend more time around Christians than any other faith. If I had to spend an even amount of time around the guys in these videos and the likes of Pat Robertson and his cronies, both faiths would taste bile in my words.

And frankly, the religion that can't even accept the idea of democracy would get the lion's share.

Seraphim
16th January 07, 10:26 PM
I approve.

I often times wish people would pick on other religions. There are so many to choose from!

Phrost
16th January 07, 10:35 PM
Should be noted that this series was made by a typically left-leaning, liberally biased organization.

Anna Kovacs
16th January 07, 10:37 PM
http://users.joplin.com/~jmtaylor/atomscans/bh.02.jpg

http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/saudi_arabia/images/mecca_mosque_H_500.jpg

Stick
16th January 07, 10:41 PM
So, Kat, uh... what does tripod have to do with Mecca?

Phrost
16th January 07, 10:42 PM
Crusades II: Electric Boogaloo is coming, whether we like it or not.

Anna Kovacs
16th January 07, 10:43 PM
So, Kat, uh... what does tripod have to do with Mecca?


They both should be destroyed.

Seraphim
16th January 07, 10:45 PM
Crusades II: Electric Boogaloo is coming, whether we like it or not.


Too bad they've got all the oil.

Beh, Peak oil for the win.

Stick
16th January 07, 10:47 PM
Aw, you're just angry cause you're a lesbian and they've got it out for you.

Being crushed under a brick wall can't be that bad!

/sarcasm

Anna Kovacs
16th January 07, 10:49 PM
And being a woman.

Anna Kovacs
16th January 07, 10:50 PM
My fantasy is to run down the street in saudia arabia buckass naked and shooting everything with a beard with my machine gun.

Seraphim
16th January 07, 10:51 PM
Aw, you're just angry cause you're a lesbian and they've got it out for you.

Being crushed under a brick wall can't be that bad!

/sarcasm

Fucking ouch.

ThaiBoxerShorts
16th January 07, 10:52 PM
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My fantasy is to run down the street in saudia arabia buckass naked and shooting everything with a beard with my machine gun.
Put me down for a copy of the video.

Price is no object.

Stick
16th January 07, 10:52 PM
That is the state method of execution for homosexuality under sharia.

ThaiBoxerShorts
16th January 07, 10:58 PM
Getting shot by a buckass naked AnnaTrocity on the street?

I can think of worse ways to go.

Stick
16th January 07, 11:09 PM
You know who I was talking to and what I was talking about.

frumpleswift
16th January 07, 11:22 PM
I approve.

I often times wish people would pick on other religions. There are so many to choose from!

My vodoun material is wasted on you guys.

ThaiBoxerShorts
17th January 07, 12:02 AM
I approve.

I often times wish people would pick on other religions. There are so many to choose from!
All religions are equally ridiculous, except Cargoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_Cult). At least their gods are real, kind of. They're just not real gods.

Question!
17th January 07, 02:18 AM
Parody religions are the best:

All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the one TRUE creator of this world, may His Noodly Appendage be praised. Let us not hate those ignorant of His Saucy Goodness. Let us instead continue to preach the word until those outside the Church sop up the Good News as a dinner roll sops up the last morsels of Tomatoey Love from the dinner plate.

rAmen

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 02:55 AM
I'm debating whether or not i should start arguing in this thread.

Though i will say that the whole 'not accept democracy'' thing is kind of amibigious.

FOr instance, the concept of Shoora can be viewed as democratic.

However, i really dont take traditional sharia too seriously.



But Kat, people are gun happy in saudi arabia, so running buck naked going nuts with a machine gun would not be wise.



Wear kelvar.


And Saudi arabia seriously needs a regime change.


The royal family imposses thier own wahabi laws(some which they made up, like woman not being able to drive), but they themselves do whatever the fuck they want(both men and woman in the royal family.)

All it takes is a plane to dubai.


Oh and the really rich people who hang around them can do whatever they want to since they have money, but thats just a given.






But ill leave this thread alone over all.

Simply because it's whats needed.

Because Dai is right about the shots taken at christianity, being only christianity having shots taken at it.


Though there are THREE abrahamic faiths, remember that.

bob
17th January 07, 03:06 AM
I'm seriously considering moving to Dubai for work for a year or two (with wife and kid). I hear it's not nearly so bad as the rest of the Mid East.

Anyone been there and got some advice?

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 03:07 AM
I would also like to add that, though we may not see many arguements on sociocide....

Whenever im talking to some people, usually christians.

THier freindly enough, they assume im either sikh/hindu.

But when i tell them im muslim, they seem to get strange look in there face and become distant. A type of akwardness.


I never get this feeling when dealing with athiests/agnostics.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 03:08 AM
I'm seriously considering moving to Dubai for work for a year or two (with wife and kid). I hear it's not nearly so bad as the rest of the Mid East.

Anyone been there and got some advice?

I have not been there, but i know people who have.

It may not be as bad as the rest of the region, but you still have to deal with the arab superiority complex.




Seriously, alot of arabs ive met(not all) act like they shit gold or something because thier arab.


Ive HEARD they have nice nightclubs and casino's. (dubai)

Question!
17th January 07, 03:41 AM
I know a guy who went to Mecca for the hajj and had to deal with the Arab's uncouth/uncivilizied personal behaviors.

He was sitting among thousands of other pilgrims and decided to cleanse/wash his hands with one of those water misters (don't know specifically what they're called). Anyway, some of the water mist got on the hands of an Arabic pilgrim sitting next to him who then proceeded to stand up and start yelling and cursing at him (in Arabic) for 'getting water all over me'.

Those guys have serious attitude problems.

Question!
17th January 07, 03:46 AM
With regards to Dubai, I've only had a transit stopover at their airport (which is one of the nicest in the world), but it seems to have a First World infrastructure level or better.

Don't know about actually living there, but it's a very popular tourist destination for rich ladies who go there for the sole purpose of shopping. So your wife might like it, but who knows.

Shawarma
17th January 07, 09:00 AM
My fantasy is to run down the street in saudia arabia buckass naked and shooting everything with a beard with my machine gun.
I'm all for it, for as long as you keep your bullets reserved for the Saudis and not the Pallys and Fillipinos that do all the actual WORK in SA.

Shawarma
17th January 07, 09:07 AM
According to people I know who've worked in the middle east for decades, Dubai is fine. Don't expect the Arabs to give you the time of day, though. They're supposed to be exceptionally fucking rude when in their home countries, at least to non-Arabs.

Question, does your friend look non-Arab or does he belong to some minor Islamic sect? If the answer to either of these questions is yes, that might account for Arabs giving him shit. I don't know if they're so rude towards their own.

Strange, because I generally like the Turks as a people and hear nothing but nice things about their hospitality. Guess they're just more civil than their southern neighbours.

Shawarma
17th January 07, 09:16 AM
I personally don't see why it is always emphasized that Islam is incompatible with democracy. What specific Islamic teaching is it that makes it more unsuited to democracy than its predecessors Judaism and Christianity? I can't seem to remember ever having read anything in the bible that promoted democracy or free thought, nor in the koran.

Isn't it really more the case that extremist religious beliefs are incompatible with democracy and that Islam just happens to be the one usually mentioned in that context because of the large number of reports on the Muslim neanderthals making very vocal statements supporting theocratic dictatorship?

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 11:26 AM
I wonder the same thing. It really isn't too different from christianity or judaism.


I guess the reason is because the Islamic rennesance(waaay wrong spelling) was set back due to all the royal houses getting into power.

It's easier to gain complete control over a country when the people are kept from becoming modern.

Hell even the fucking SIXTIES you had people using domesticated animals for transportation and labour in arab countries, some didn't even see a T.V.


So really, they never got the CHANCE to really see it until very modern times. Give it time, look at malaysia.

Neildo
17th January 07, 11:58 AM
I'm all for it, for as long as you keep your bullets reserved for the Saudis and not the Pallys and Fillipinos that do all the actual WORK in SA.

LOL. I heard there's more philippino OFW's in SA than actual saudis.

Question!
17th January 07, 03:46 PM
Shawarma, my friend didn't really look Arabic, so that might explain it.

Also, Ahmed, while Malaysia is ahead of many other Islamic countries, there is still rampant corruption, racism, lack of freedom and general religous douchebaggery (involving overzealous and ignorant 'Muslims') still going on.

Shawarma
17th January 07, 03:50 PM
Also: Malaysians aren't Arab in any way and have a different mentality. Malaysia is still waaay ahead of the other countries in the region, but not for religious reasons.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 03:55 PM
I didnt say malay's being ahead of the rest of the muslim world was because of islam per say but because it shows how a predominantly muslim population is living in a democracy.

Neildo
17th January 07, 03:56 PM
Malaysia is awesome. So much piracy, lol.

AAAhmed46
17th January 07, 03:59 PM
I would also like to add this little tid bit:

Christianity gets alot of heat in this forum.

But when the portugese and spanish kick started the black slave trade, the biggest critics were actually those of the clergy on treatment and the concept of slavery.

But it was secular powers seperate from the church that pushed for this cheap labour.


I learned this in my early world history coarse.

The prof is an athiest. Not just an athiest but a full fledged communist(literally) he was serbian and took shots at religion(all religion) whenver he could.


But this is what he taught, so take from this what you will. But i doubt it's B.S. considering the nature of the prof.


Im not saying secularism is evil or anything, becase well, it isnt. It's whats needed right now frankly in government.

But when critiquing christianity/judaism/islam why not keep such examples in mind?

Yiktin Voxbane
18th January 07, 12:29 AM
The knob-jockey from clip#2 is *under investigation* by the Aussie authorities, I just saw it on the news.

frumpleswift
18th January 07, 11:44 AM
I would also like to add this little tid bit:

Christianity gets alot of heat in this forum.

But when the portugese and spanish kick started the black slave trade, the biggest critics were actually those of the clergy on treatment and the concept of slavery.

But it was secular powers seperate from the church that pushed for this cheap labour.


I learned this in my early world history coarse.

The prof is an athiest. Not just an athiest but a full fledged communist(literally) he was serbian and took shots at religion(all religion) whenver he could.


But this is what he taught, so take from this what you will. But i doubt it's B.S. considering the nature of the prof.


Im not saying secularism is evil or anything, becase well, it isnt. It's whats needed right now frankly in government.

But when critiquing christianity/judaism/islam why not keep such examples in mind?

That is honestly an over simplistic intepretation of the history at hand*. The Spanish and Portuguese were looking for a source of cheap labor, and after their efforts to enslave the native populaitons in the new world essentially failed, they looked to Africa for a new source of labor.

However, even by this time, the RCC had established a theological doctrine that tacitly endorsed slavery. Essentially, you could take slaves as long as they were converted to Christianity, because a person was better off as a Christian Slave than a free heathen.

The RCC did not create slavery, and their were critics within the clergy that opposed it, but the institution as a whole devised theological justifications for the practice. Why? The Spanish and Portuguese Empires, being the good Catholics that they were, kicked a good chunk of gold and support to the pope, and the Spanish, especially, were very militarily supportive of the Catholic faith.

Not necessarily for religious reasons mind you. The Spanish empire had a good number of secular reasons to hang on to their interests in the Netherlands.

*My explanation is overly simplistic too, but it would take a long bloody time to get into the politics of Spanish colonialism, the reformation and counter reformation, and the rise of slavery.

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Also, Christianity does take the brunt of abuse on this board, but that is mainly due to the fact that most of Sociocide's members have a Christian background, and are therefore much more familiar with Christianity than other religions.

I do have theological reasons that protestant faiths piss me off (not just my plethora of secular ones) but that is probably a discussion for another thread.